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City Installs Traffic Lights In Sidewalks For Smartphone Users (washingtonpost.com)

tlhIngan writes: It's finally happened -- the smartphone zombies are here. The German city of Augsburg installed traffic lights in the sidewalks so smartphone users don't have to look up. Apparently people are so addicted to their smartphones they can't be bothered to look up at traffic signals, so embedding them in the ground they don't have to. According to the Washington Post report, the city spokeswoman Stephanie Lermen thinks the money used to install the lights is well spent. A recent survey conducted in several European cities including Berlin, found that almost 20 percent of pedestrians were distracted by their smartphones. Of course, younger people are at higher risk as they're willing to risk their safety to look at their Facebook profiles or WhatsApp messages, the survey found. The problem may be even worse in the U.S: A survey by the University of Washington found that 1 in 3 Americans is busy texting or working on a smartphone at dangerous road crossings. City officials say installing the traffic lights is justified: The idea is to install such traffic lights came after a 15-year-old girl was killed by a tram. According to police reports, she was distracted by her smartphone as she crossed the tracks.

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  1. Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Won't this problem fix itself after a while?

    1. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Won't this problem fix itself after a while?

      I was thinking the same thing....what a wonderful opportunity to see natural selection at work, in real time.

      I think one of the reasons we're seeing so many inept and stupid people out there (and c'mon, you gotta admit you see them every day)...is that we've been protecting people from themselves WAAAAY too much, and have prevented nature from adding chlorine to the gene pool at appropriate times.

      As the previous post alluded to...let nature take care of this situation itself.

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    2. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Funny

      >> the collateral damage...caused...these idiots would be unfortunate

      Yes, there's nothing more annoying than a two-hour train delay because there are shredded millennials all over the tracks again.

      Fortunately, we can look forward to next week's SlashDot story: "New APP warns dumbasses they are currently crossing rails with train approaching." (It could use the phone's microphone to listen for LOUD FUCKING HORNS and DING DING DING DING DING.)

    3. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That hits on one that's just had me bamboozled lately. I go to a gym during the winter months for the indoor track. And on different days the track goes different directions, with a big sign right as you enter the track which direction is on which days. I believe this is fairly standard. And it never ceases to amaze me how many people go the wrong way. And it's not like, get on the track and go the wrong way, see people going the other way, go back to check and correct, but like yesterday. Girl was literally weaving through traffic going the wrong way. Like probably 20 people on the track at the time, but stuck to her guns and kept going. She was on there for like half an hour. I was just desperately hoping she doesn't have a drivers license as I'd be terrified that if she went down a one way street the wrong way she'd stick to her guns and keep going. And it typically happens about twice a week. Different people every time. You'd think the swarm of people going the other direction would be a hint, but apparently not.

    4. Re: Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      #RetardHipstersThatFeelTheNeedToHashtagEverything

    5. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You'd rather have the financial impact of swathes of the population being killed in easily-preventable ways, just so you can feel superior to them?

      No, I'd just rather the hoards of idiots that can't even bear to stare way from "their precious" long enough to miss oncoming traffic, get thinned out a bit, so as to allow those of us trying to get somewhere and do something to get on with it, and not have to dodge these mindless zombies.

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    6. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      Considering the surveillance state most of the world has become, consult the traffic cams, if the person hit by a vehicle was paying more attention to their phone, it's all their fault. They pay their own medical bills, and they pay to repair the damage they did to the car (unless there is proof that the car was driving illegally)

    7. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by edtice1559 · · Score: 3

      There isn't much financial impact of people getting killed. It's when they get seriously injured and live that it costs a lot of money. I'm not sure that we really want to see people dead when their transgression is reading /. on their mobile phone while walking, but from a pure economic standpoint, dying is cheap.

    8. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by mlts · · Score: 2

      This sounds like a 24 Hour Fitness in Austin. It has a track that flips directions on different days, with a fairly obvious sign pointing this out. Oddly enough, there is always that one person that just likes going the wrong way on the track even though they have to dodge everyone else.

      Maybe it is practice for the hike and bike trails here.

    9. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      Not only is it not a self-correcting problem; this is already a failed solution.

      We have had pedestrian walk/don't walk lights for decades now. They are mostly ignored. Mostly rightfully so since it is often safe to walk when they say not to, but, many pedestrians act as if they have right of way even if the crosswalk is signaled and says don't walk.

      So, how is adding a new light, which has the same meaning as the one people are already ignoring, supposed to help in any way? Frankly, I think these traffic control people are scrambling to come up with ways to remain relevant after they have done everything they can and all the future advancements in safety will really be from robotic cars and likely never again anything they do.

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    10. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by PPH · · Score: 2

      Our town already employs a guy with a pickup truck and shovel to clear possums and raccoons off the road when they get hit. This is just job security.

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    11. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A few changes in the law to minimize driver culpability towards jaywalkers and other pedestrians who don't follow the rules (such as look both ways before they leap) might result in a spike of deaths by inattention, but afterwards, the rest should mend their ways. If not, I won't lose much sleep over these morons being killed off by their busyboxes. Thinning the herd keeps broken adaptation to a minimum. I'd also minimize the impact of broken financial systems that assign an individual's responsibility for stupidity to others.

    12. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by sdoca · · Score: 4, Informative

      Assuming you're legitimately asking, despite your user name...

      It's because indoor running tracks are generally short (~200m) and you are running on the curve for about 50% of it. If you run alot and always run the same way, you will build up a muscle imbalance.

    13. Re:Isn't this a self-correcting problem? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      There isn't much financial impact of people getting killed.

      There is little immediate impact, but there is a big long term impact, as the lifetime production of that person doesn't happen. Most texters are young adults. Society has spent a lot to raise and educate them, but most of their productive years are in the future. For this reason, I am opposed to intentionally killing texting pedestrians. Killing texting drivers is okay.

  2. The Downward Spiral: by Hartree · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this subverting the natural course of evolution?

    1. Re:The Downward Spiral: by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't pretty much all medicine and human progress in general subverting the course of evolution?

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    2. Re:The Downward Spiral: by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you protect stupid people from themselves, you hurt everyone else.

  3. #zombielivesmatter by known_coward_69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    because the phone zombies want to live too

  4. Use an app instead by bretts · · Score: 4, Interesting

    At this point, why rely on visual cues outside of the phone at all? If they're looking at the phone and have location enabled, on-screen notifications could tell them when the light is green. This avoids them having to notice the periphery at all, which is less likely if they're into a particularly intense sexting session or game of Farmville.

    1. Re:Use an app instead by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The problem with this sort of conditioning is that it desensitizes the user even further to the world around him.

      When exceptions are made that do not penalize risky behavior, it encourages more risky behavior, perhaps in an environment without any protection.

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  5. Stupid idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let Darwinism take its course.

  6. Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a girl can't notice a train, they are not going to notice lights on the ground. If they can't even notice they are walking into a street... I bet they think all drivers will stop to let them pass.

    Ok, lets forget highway improvements, lets put all that money into putting lights into the sidewalks!

  7. Desensization/Conditioning, or deferred authority? by bretts · · Score: 2

    That's a good point. It reminds me of the people who drive into lakes because their GPS tells them to turn there, or people treating information from business, government, NGOs and academia as infallible.

  8. Re:Good for them by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it's the government job to protect every person from every single possible calamity which may befall that person rather than encouraging people to take responsibility for themselves.

    Essentially, you're admitting people are too stupid to take care of themselves so Big Brother has to do so.

    Are these the kind of people we want to perpetuate our species? Ones who can't think or act for themselves?

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  9. Re:Not really by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    "...we will end up being Bonobos who can write PHP code"

    No, bonobos code in Visual Basic.

  10. Boom to the Burglary Business!!! by Rogue974 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I grew up in a small framing community outside of Chicago and then went to college in Chicago. In one of my first few weeks there, a new friend who was from the city told me to stop looking down at the sidewalk. I asked why and he told me, that is how you get yourself mugged.

    We talked about it and I realized, being from a land of no sidewalks, I always scan the ground to make sure of my footing so I don't trip on uneven ground. In the city, sidewalks are much more level and predictable so people don't have to look down. Also pickpockets and muggers look for easy targets that can't identify them. My friend told me, he was always taught, look up and look at the people around you. If you make eye contact with a mugger, there is a chance you will be able to ID him so they look for another target.

    I am thinking, all these peoples looking down at their phone are an excellent target for being pick pocketed! I may have to change professions!

  11. Horrible Idea, Horrible Suggestions by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While it is obvious that this "solution" solves nothing and protects no one, the solutions put forward here are equally useless. No one who does not look up when crossing the road will install an app to make street crossings easier (and that is ignoring the technical hurdle of figuring out which road the user is crossing at the intersection, which seems like an unsolvable problem to me). And if they are engrossed in their phone, they are equally as likely to miss any indicators, on the ground, in the sky, or anywhere in-between.

    If you want to protect people from themselves, you need some sort of barrier or arm that physically blocks forward movement. Nothing else will register to someone who will miss a train barrelling towards them.

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  12. Need something for stop lines by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2

    How about something that smacks drivers in the head when they pull a FULL car length PAST the stop line before even thinking about stopping knowing full well that if approaching cars are just barely far enough away they'd blow right through the stop sign? News flash, people, you're not that important and neither is whatever you're racing to.

  13. Situational Awareness by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is just the latest example of the erosion of situational awareness: the ability to monitor what is happening in the immediate environment. Smartphones, earbuds, and texting all displace attention from the "here and now" by redirecting mental focus to a non-local environment. Note that this is beyond what happens with reading a book or listening to music without headphones because of the immersive/interactive nature of the experience.

    The loss of situational awareness makes people more susceptible to bad outcomes because the warning cues don't get through. Hence walking into traffic while looking at a screen. Obviously reading and walking can have the same result, but before the advent of current smartphones there were far fewer people who acted that irresponsibly. Also it was not social acceptable because most people realized the potential hazard. Now that smartphones are ubiquitous social norms have changed and people just don't care about what's going on around them.

    A more direct way to say it is that people now act very stupidly in public. They inhabit a personal bubble and blindly assume that reality will never intrude. There will never be enough padding in the world to protect them from a lack of attention. To quote Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does".

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    1. Re:Situational Awareness by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      This is just the latest example of the erosion of situational awareness: the ability to monitor what is happening in the immediate environment. Smartphones, earbuds, and texting all displace attention from the "here and now" by redirecting mental focus to a non-local environment. Note that this is beyond what happens with reading a book or listening to music without headphones because of the immersive/interactive nature of the experience.
      The loss of situational awareness makes people more susceptible to bad outcomes because the warning cues don't get through. Hence walking into traffic while looking at a screen. Obviously reading and walking can have the same result, but before the advent of current smartphones there were far fewer people who acted that irresponsibly. Also it was not social acceptable because most people realized the potential hazard. Now that smartphones are ubiquitous social norms have changed and people just don't care about what's going on around them.

      A more direct way to say it is that people now act very stupidly in public. They inhabit a personal bubble and blindly assume that reality will never intrude. There will never be enough padding in the world to protect them from a lack of attention. To quote Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does".

      You know, it's a wonder why crime rates for pickpocketing haven't skyrocketed in the past few years. You'd think people who are completely distracted by their phones would make excellent marks, especially if they travel in a pack of like minded smartphone users.

      I mean, they're not paying attention to anything but their phone, so liberating them of everything other than their phones seems much easier (and you don't want a phone anyways - why steal a tracking device?). Especially the younger folks who are probably carrying pricey stuff like tablets and laptops, and from the older folks, wallets and purses.

      And because everyone else is doing the same, a "Stop thief!" shout would probably get them to look up and not see anything because they'd have to re-acquaint themselves with their surroundings, giving said thief a good 10-15 seconds to get away (and even more time if they want to go give chase).

      You'd think they'd be easy pickings everywhere.

      Of course, if I was wiring these lights in I might have the sidewalk lights stay red for several cycles so those who actually are paying attention can get around them and cross. I wonder how long they'll wait before they wonder if they missed a light.

  14. Let me get this straight.. by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 2

    So using a cell phone while driving and causing an accident is clearly the driver's fault, but using a cell phone while walking and causing an accident is the city's fault?

    Double standard, much?

  15. Re:I have a better idea by gachunt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or, use Near Field Communication (NFC) to shut down their phone when they approach the curb.

    It could then be expanded to other places, say every movie theatre seat, and elevators.

  16. Re:Good for them by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not just about saving the life of the person who is not paying attention. If they walk out into traffic other people may be hurt such as the driver of the car or passengers or the car may hit other people if the driver swerves. Then there is the psychological trauma, especially for the driver of the vehicle. But it's also for other passengers, the bystanders, and the emergency response crews. Plus you have the impact on the family and friends. Not just for the person who wasn't looking but for anyone else who was hurt physically and/or mentally. And finally you have any damage that needs to be repaired. It's not as important as the rest but it still needs to be taken into account.

    So no, it's not just the government trying to protect a single person from every possible calamity. In this case it's the government trying to protect a whole bunch of us from someone being an idiot.

  17. Re:Washington Post? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    The linked story includes a number of details, including pictures taken at the scene, that we have not seen.

  18. Re:Good for them by StormReaver · · Score: 2

    Are these the kind of people we want to perpetuate our species? Ones who can't think or act for themselves?

    Thousands of years of religion haven't extinguished humanity, so don't be too concerned about cell phones.

  19. You have that backward by s.petry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You want to protect people from their own behavior by using force and other people's money, and you claim someone else is trying to feel superior? Welcome to Orwellian speak..

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  20. Re:Good for them by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    You hit the nail on the head with that last word. Idiot. They are everywhere. The government can no more protect us from them than they can protect idiots from themselves. Make something idiot proof, evolution produces a greater idiot.

    But at what expense. The result of idiot proofing the world has very real economic impacts not just because the government is spending money but also due to the regulations they introduce and the effort and lost time caused by retrospective compliance.

    The only thing they achieve is spending money and training another generation of soft mindless idiots that the world will look after them.

  21. Re:Ever have a bad day? by PPH · · Score: 2

    maybe their S.O. starts a heated argument via g-chat.

    That's when my phone battery dies.

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  22. Tickets by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't they be handing out tickets and fines to pedestrians that are using public streets while distracted?

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