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Google, Ford, Volvo, Lyft and Uber Join Coalition To Further Self-Driving Cars (reuters.com)
Google, Ford, Volvo, Uber, and Lyft are forming a coalition to help speed self-driving cars to the market. Until now, these five companies have all been working on their own driverless car initiatives. According to a statement, the new effort, dubbed the Self-Driving Coalition for Safer Streets, "will work with lawmakers, regulators and the public to realize the safety and societal benefits of self-driving vehicles." David Strickland, a former top official of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, is coalition's counsel and spokesman.
Because Uber ... Ick.
I think UBER without the driver could a very interesting business.
This tech could put millions out of work.
... and how that makes it CLEAR that Apple is producing a self-driving car!
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So in 20 years the average high school graduate will be unable to ..... and this is called advancing civilization.
- read a book, audio books and reader apps
- tie his shoe, self tying shoes
- drive a car, self driving cars
- read a map, gps apps
Trolling driverless cars.
Brake checks, lane changes, etc.
These companies have no idea what awaits them on the road.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Irregardless, I could care less.
I'm really not sure if they had siri write this for them or if they are related to SCIgen.
I'm going with SCIgen.
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Kelly Bundy?
For all intensive purposes
you misspelled "porpoises".
From the description (I didn't read the article since there wasn't a link), this sounds like an advocacy group to deal with legal matters and public opinion. This has nothing to do with working together to actually develop the technology. We'll likely also get some patent pool groups much like the MPEG licensing group.
Certainly the group they're forming could be expanded to include both patent pool licensing and technology development, but for now, they're just talking advocacy.
We are nowhere close on AI, ergo we are nowhere close on self-driving cars. Can't even get Siri or chatbots to answer questions in any way that represents an ability to make a decision. Hell, even Deep Blue had to be fed the Jeopardy questions via text because it could not parse natural language.
The idea that this all solved for something with a 180 horsepower engine is downright silly.
Look closely at all the reports, these are all really, really constrained experiments with gaping holes (drivers taking over, pre-programmed zero-decision routes, following lockstep behind human driven vehicles, etc., etc.).
The important thing in all this is to keep it simple. There are numerous special interests that want to push regulators towards their own proprietary and expensive "solutions" to problems that don't exists.
The last 60 years is littered with popular mechanics articles about guide wires in the roads or wireless beacons that need to be installed everywhere to make driverless cars a reality. The one lesson in all of this history should be that if you need specialized infrastructure or special roads to make it a reality then it is a dead end technology. Hopefully regulators don't get swayed into expensive dead end demo proof of concepts on special tracks. Roads need to work for both computer and human drivers. And that means smart cars need to work on dumb roads using the least amount of processing power and least number of sensors.
So when a car kills a pedestrian or driver will the Corporation be held non-accountable? The rest of the Corporations do what they want, kill people, and go free. Why not this one??
Except the facts. You have to swallow your prize and except the facts.
This tech could put millions out of work.
The purpose of economic activity is the production of goods and services, not "keeping people busy".
Perhaps the government could pay the unemployed drivers to throw rocks through windows to generate jobs for glaziers.
Willing to pay up in cases of death / injury?
Who will do the jail / prison time for criminal cases of car accidents?
Willing to be open to FAA like code audits / tests?
What about tickets both ones that go to the car (owner) and ones that go to the driver?
DUI issues can you get a DUI just for being in a auto drive car in auto mode?
Can have a drop out to manual mode just before an accident to get out of having any liability?
Can they force to have dealer only service?
Can they force updates on you and make you pay data overeager and roaming fees? Where an 1-2GB update can cost as much as a new car?
I think you are mixing your metaphors but regardless I doubt the government would have to pay the unemployed drivers to destroy self driving cars. They'll do it all on their own. Not to mention fake summons to send them all over the city to pick up non-existant passengers.
No, you missed the parable of the broken window. The point of work is that we get to have nice things and nice services. If we can have those things without having to work, that's a good thing.
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Willing to pay up in cases of death / injury?
Assuming that the auto-drive was on and there was no tampering of the system then, it should be payed out the same way as no-fault insurance (a model we should have moved to decades ago).
Who will do the jail / prison time for criminal cases of car accidents?
Again, assuming auto-drive and no tampering, there shouldn't be criminal cases. It was an accident! Exception: If shortcuts were made by the self-driving car software; such as the VW emissions-tempering case.
Willing to be open to FAA like code audits / tests?
I would certainly advocate to force this. How about you?
What about tickets both ones that go to the car (owner) and ones that go to the driver?
There should be few if any traffic tickets while in auto-drive mode as the code is supposed to be designed to follow the law (see above line item). Some police departments are actually terrified of this fact as they will no longer be able to use traffic tickets to help fund their departments.
DUI issues can you get a DUI just for being in a auto drive car in auto mode?
Probably early on as the auto-drive systems cannot be fully relied upon for safety but, this will fade in time as systems become more reliable.
Can have a drop out to manual mode just before an accident to get out of having any liability?
These systems, thus far, keep a log so the police would find out you did this and you can be cited/charged accordingly.
Can they force to have dealer only service?
There are already quite a few laws on the books saying that this is illegal. I don't see that changing.
Can they force updates on you and make you pay data overeager and roaming fees? Where an 1-2GB update can cost as much as a new car?
This is probably the messiest issue you've brought up. FCC rules on wireless and wireless charges are crap to non-existent. If I were you, this is what I'd really watch for.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
This happens all the time with new technologies. Cab drivers and truck drivers will join the ranks of buggy-whip manufacturers one day. Same shit, different day.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
... they won't adopt volvo drivers' habbits of driving or their ugly ass shapes.
They should have joined with Tesla and Apple, not these losers.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I don't know about you, but I consider the chat with the taxi driver to be part of the taxi experience.
When you are visiting somewhere you have never been, the driver might be able to tell you something interesting about the destination.
At one time I would even have missed a train if the driver had not suggested an alternative destination -- which had meant a shorter ride for him.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
Nonsense; the last thing we need right now is more glaziers melting!
That's been Uber's plan since day 1.
seriously, what do you do with a drunken sailor, weaving in a clunker? show me how robocars will deal with that, without killing all the riders in them? that car's not controlled, not in the network, like a sniper at a Super Bowl
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Coming to a dealer near you!
Was asking Can they have the cars drop down to manual mode on there own just before an accident so they get out of having any liability?
Can they force to have dealer only service under the way of the system will only work in limp mode or not at all if the drm system sees non dealer work has been done?
Willing to pay up in cases of death / injury right away of have the victims left holding the bag with bills racking up as they take a very time of work it though the court system or try to stick it on some sub contractor who does not have the funds to pay out?
1% of the US workforce (1.6 million people) are truck drivers alone. That's a significant number of people need to find other employment in a short time.
On the other hand, some drivers do much more than simply drive the truck. For example milk haulers test the milk before they put it into their truck.
I'd rather keep driving myself, thank you very much. Make it an option I can 'opt out' of.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Was asking Can they have the cars drop down to manual mode on there own just before an accident so they get out of having any liability?
Since no-fault insurance doesn't have liability (and this is what the Nevada and California starting frameworks are going towards), there would be no reason to. The car manufacturer would not be liable unless there was proof that they took shortcuts on safety so suddenly making the driver responsible opens them up to more liability than they already have as that would cause an investigation into "shortcuts" on their part. Claims would be paid based on the injured party's insurance unless there was suspicion of intent to cause harm.
Can they force to have dealer only service under the way of the system will only work in limp mode or not at all if the drm system sees non dealer work has been done?
I see, you're talking about using our stupid copyright laws to backdoor forcing dealer-only service. They've been trying this already. Self-driving cars have nothing to do with this question. It's taking a while but, the legal wind has not been blowing in the auto-makers' favor due to laws against requiring dealer-only service.
Willing to pay up in cases of death / injury right away of have the victims left holding the bag with bills racking up as they take a very time of work it though the court system or try to stick it on some sub contractor who does not have the funds to pay out?
In a no-fault insurance setup, your insurance pays the bills, not the "other guy." So, if your insurance provider is not paying the bills, one, you can sue them and two, you should get a better insurance provider.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
Eventually, robots (and computer driven cars are robots) will put everyone out of a job. We need to start working on an economy that is not based off the value of human labor as in 50-200 years, the value of human labor will be less than 0.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
What about a pedestrian that does not have auto insurance? or is not in a car at the time so they are not covered.
Actually, auto insurance does cover you if you're the pedestrian in a vehicle on person accident, just has homeowner's or renter's insurance covers the items in your car in case of accident or theft. I can't explain the logic, but, that's the way they do it. For the pedestrian that does not have insurance that would cover them would be one of those edge cases that would need to be answered. I think most countries that have full no-fault insurance, the government picks up the tab if no other insurance is available.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
Assuming that the auto-drive was on and there was no tampering of the system then, it should be payed out the same way as no-fault insurance (a model we should have moved to decades ago).
Just wanted to point out how no fault works as it is commonly misunderstood. No fault coverage, more commonly called something like personal injury protection (PIP), is a bucket of insurance that covers the policy holder and members of their household. This coverage is usually a small amount of money like $20k. It pays for the first $20k in medical bills and work loss resulting from an accident for the policy holder. In no way does no fault or PIP absolve a party to an accident from liability. If a person is injured in an accident, their PIP/no fault coverage pays their first 20k in medical bills and if the other driver has some level of fault, their liability coverage pays the remaining claims. Its also important to understand that everyone has some level of fault in an accident, even the guy who was hit in a parked car. If you live in a no fault state review your policy and correct your worldview on the most misunderstood insurance concept that has ever been devised.
this is about forcing all people to use their "cars;" not about making them safe. Enjoy your gas guzzling hog while you can; for soon you'll be an outlaw! I expect to see car gangs with emblems on the back for each state. People are not going into thou dark night with ease. They will hack in driver consoles so they can drive their state issued uber. Some will get caught and spend time the Uber Disabled Driver Enforcement Pedestrianization (UDDER).
The racing groups will fight to keep racing with gas legal; but will settle for track and closed course only. Fat Harley riders will trade in their hogs to crotch rockets so they can out run the Police Investigative Ground Systems (PIGS). Some will make it some won't. Mostly the skinny ones make it. But there's no way to outrun the Police Internet Surveillance Systems (PISS.) For we all know the packets are faster than rockets.
Jay Leno will horde car like never before. The rich will get special tags that allow then to train there self driving car module in the Benz for as long as it takes. All other ubers will have to give them right-of-way at all times; for safety you know.
You will no longer shop an the stores you like. The Google Uber Co-Op Initiative (GUCCI) will sell your business to the highest bidder Walmart/Target (WALGET.) Your 30min trip for bread can take as long as 4hrs. You can outbid WALGET and go where you want if you have the $
I cry for our culture.
hype overload!
**rain breaks a these driverless cars**
they can't work in rain or where the surroundings are snow covered, for several reasons...but mainly because in rain they can't see
with snow, it doesn't have to be actively snowing... even if the weather is clear and the roads dry, a white-covered surrounding makes it impossible for the car to navigate
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Thank you Dave Raggett
I can't wait for the day we have to build machines to destroy the stuff other machines are making to make sure the production of goods and services can continue.
If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
"To figure out the true purpose of an industry consortium, look for the major player in the industry that is *not* a member." (Hint: Think of a type of fruit)