Slashdot Mirror

← Back to Stories (view on slashdot.org)

Who's Downloading Pirated Scientifc Papers? Everyone (sciencemag.org)

Posted by BeauHD on from the mom-and-pop-one-stop-shop dept.

sciencehabit quotes a report from Science Magazine: In increasing numbers, researchers around the world are turning to Sci-Hub, the controversial website that hosts 50 million pirated papers and counting. Now, with server log data from Alexandra Elbakyan, the neuroscientist who created Sci-Hub in 2011 as a 22-year-old graduate student in Kazakhstan, Science addresses some basic questions: Who are Sci-Hub's users, where are they, and what are they reading? The Sci-Hub data provide the first detailed view of what is becoming the world's de facto open-access research library. Among the revelations that may surprise both fans and foes alike: Sci-Hub users are not limited to the developing world. Some critics of Sci-Hub have complained that many users can access the same papers through their libraries but turn to Sci-Hub instead -- for convenience rather than necessity. The data provide some support for that claim. Over the 6 months leading up to March, Sci-Hub served up 28 million documents, with Iran, China, India, Russia, and the United States the leading requestors.

17 of 145 comments (clear)

  1. Isn't the idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the idea that you can pirate scientific papers sort of anti-knowledge?

    1. Re:Isn't the idea by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't the idea that you can pirate scientific papers sort of anti-knowledge?

      No, what's anti-knowledge is the idea that research papers can be locked up behind paywalls. As a scientist, the intellectual property you worked years to create is your research itself. The paper is just a formal description of it, and that paper should be free to the world so that your peers can review it and, by building on your work, appreciate and honor your efforts.

    2. Re:Isn't the idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that's what they meant, that it's anti-knowledge to consider this 'piracy'. As a publishing academic, I agree, scientific papers are created to be shared so that they can be assessed, critiqued and improved by others, and to be available for contributing to the public good.

    3. Re:Isn't the idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please, somebody downvote this moron.

      "Why would someone invest time and money in doing the research?"
      Because the results of Research are in themselves valuable. The Papers are but one result. Patents are another, and shared collaboration is a third- no need to keep on reinventing the the Tinker Toys. No Scientist has _ever_ "Done it all by themselves", they stand on the shoulders of Giants.
      The next part is something you are absolutely incapable of understanding- Fun. The Joy of discovering something New, no matter how initially trivial. And part of that fun is telling others, whether it is about a new forbidden Bandgap in doped 13C Graphene, or a different recipe for Crepes Suzette. (Try Blood Oranges, with a smidgeon of Pomegranate juice in the reduction.)

      "You are better off letting someone else do it. Scientific papers are not created to be shared, they are created to make money."
      No. Most Scientists really dislike writing Papers; they, (Or their Institutions...), certainly _don't_ get paid for it. In most cases, they _pay_to have a Paper formatted, they _pay_ to have it published, and then they _pay_ for access to the Journals. The Publishers are those who control the means and profit of publication.
      The only People who make money are the _Publishers_, you twat.
      Note that all of my papers are available for the cost of copying from the UC Preprint Service, or available online for free with an account, because UC is large and powerful enough to actually tell the Publishers to screw off.

    4. Re:Isn't the idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>but if all scientific papers should be released for "public good"
      >Why would someone invest time and money in doing the research? You are better off letting someone else do it.

      You seem to be of the impression that

      (1) someone else *can* do it
      (2) the only result of the research is the paper

      The first gets more true as more people are scientifically literate, but wasn't true at all 10 years ago. Depending on the niche, still that way.
      The second is worrying. The paper is a *report*. The main use of the research is the improvement in knowledge and understanding of nature by myself and my colleagues. I write the paper so it's archived, so others (strangers) can give me criticism and because I built it on top of other people's papers, so I like to give back.

      > Scientific papers are not created to be shared, they are created to make money.

      WTF? No, they aren't. I'm a scientist, take it from me, we don't create these to make money (and we don't get any money for publishing a paper). Reputation yes, peer review, ability to get criticism etc, yes. Money? No.

      (The state pays me a salary)

      > Burnie Sanders would disagree, since he is a socialist and socialists live in a dream world.

      Many countries are social democratic republics and work just fine. Those dream worlds?

    5. Re:Isn't the idea by Coisiche · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't see a problem with those results not becoming publicly available.

      Suppressed is another word for that. And it has caused a few problems in the pharmaceutical field.

    6. Re:Isn't the idea by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "It has economic and scientific value to professional scientists although no value for laypersons."
      Who are these laypersons? Is there a certified scientist label that you can get? I have a bachelor in science as one of my degrees is that good enough?
      Do I need to stay in academia to be one of those scientists where such papers have values?
      Or can I be a person interested in a topic and would like to dig further to expand my own knowledge? Or am I forced to the depth of Wikipedia because I am not a real Scientist?

      Science should be more acceptable and it doesn't need to be dumbed down. Normal Scientific journalism confusing a hypothesis and a theory all the time, jumping to conclusions or oversimplifying statements. If a topic is interesting enough, it would be nice for me to dig past all the media hype and look at the real findings.

      But because I am not a real Scientist (Having to turn in my Science Card when i got a MBA) I should have to just be dumb to science and just trust those real guys at their words, without me having any understanding.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  2. You do the world a favor.... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For every scientific paper you pirate and share. It's bullshit to keep that stuff behind paywalls.
    I also applaud everyone that finds a way to pirate college textbooks and share them.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:You do the world a favor.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do you give your work/time away for free?

      The person who did the work/put in the time isn't going to see anything from the money that goes to a scientific journal or textbook publisher. As someone who's written a textbook, I can tell you that very few authors are paid based upon the sales of that textbook.

      And scientific journals? The authors/researchers were paid before the paper was even submitted to the journal.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    2. Re:You do the world a favor.... by Potor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I actually write books. In my case, I earn much more from rank promotion than I do from royalties. When people pirate my books, I lose VERY little.

    3. Re:You do the world a favor.... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do you give your work/time away for free? (I am assuming you work)

      When you publish in an Elsevier journal, you sign away any IP in the paper, and get no royalty from them. Worse still is that everyone who sees your paper has to do so through an institution that has to pay an expensive subscription for access.

    4. Re:You do the world a favor.... by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First of all, those in industry are not your "Colleagues". If they are getting paid 3-4x more than a PhD working for a university, then they are almost certainly worth that 3-4x increase in pay. It is called "real-world" experience for a reason. They produce more for the company they work for or they disappear unlike some professor or assistant who doesn't have experience developing real products. Don't get me wrong, we need university research, but it really doesn't pay the bills for anyone, it only sucks resources from the tax base.

      I'd mod you Troll but I already posted, so Ill take the bait instead. You say that "real products" and "real world experience" are worth money, then go on to say that the university research upon which those products are often based, (and which you admit we need), "sucks resources". If you don't see the contradiction there then your opinion isn't worth much. If you DO see the contradiction, then why did you post it? Oh yeah, I temporarily forgot - you're trolling...

      --
      'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
    5. Re:You do the world a favor.... by Sir+Holo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you give your work/time away for free?

      The person who did the work/put in the time isn't going to see anything from the money that goes to a scientific journal or textbook publisher. As someone who's written a textbook, I can tell you that very few authors are paid based upon the sales of that textbook.

      And scientific journals? The authors/researchers were paid before the paper was even submitted to the journal.

      CORRECTION: We scientists (and he taxpayers that usually pay for our work) pay THREE TIMES for it. Plus, we exert effort FOR FREE to the publishers – BY LAW.

          1. Write a proposal for funding –US Federal law prohibits of using research funding for these efforts. It is on our own personal dime.
          2. Win a grant, which pays for you & your students to do the work (on the public dime)
          3. Write a manuscript to share the results with the world – US Federal Law prohibits the use of Federal funds for write-up. It is on our own personal dime.
          4. Submit it to a rapacious for-profit scientific journal – any owned by Elsevier – for review- / referee-ing.
          5. Referees are other scientists in your field, again legally required to perform the service unpaid.
          6. If accepted, Your second $$ outlay comes in the form of "page charges." Yes, you pay them to publish you work – once it's deemed important by the 'FREE' referees for the journals.
          7. The article might be printed, but is more likely to be in the form of a PDF, one that that the authors are these-days required to submit in electronic form, following stringent guidelines. The scientific authors essentially do the page-layout. Again for FREE.
          8. The publishers charge your institution tons of money for subscription to the journals, whether it is in-print, or simply a PDF

      Scientific publication charges are a huge, multi-level scam. At one time, it did cost them money to print and mail paper copies of journals. These days, they have outsourced almost every aspect of the labor required to produce a Scientific Journal Article, but somehow, mysteriously, their prices keep going up far faster than inflation.

      It is no wonder that sites like J-Stor, Research-Gate, Sci-Hub, and others are popping up all over the place.

      Personally, even though I have access to basically any journal known (at my large University), I go to Research-Gate simply because it takes 1/10th of the time to access the article I am seeking. My Uni has already paid for access, so I have a limited license to make a copy, but the big publishers make it an absolute, time-consuming pain in the ass to get a PDF of a given article. (Most of which I trash after glancing-through, as titles and abstracts are frequently inadequate.)

    6. Re:You do the world a favor.... by butzwonker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Of course I give away my papers for free. I'm a scientist. I get zero money for my publications, my review work, my editorial work and anything else related to publications. I've even edited typeset several books for free. All of this for commercial publishing companies who make an insane amount of money with it. The only thing that publishing companies like Springer do is to send the final version to India for the final typesetting in LaTeX and put out the printed versions about one and a half years later. That system is possible because as a scientist I'm paid by the government.

      The problem is that I'm not allowed to put the original, quotable paper on my web pages, only earlier drafts. The papers you need for quoting are behind expensive paywalls, and every time someone accesses one of those articles to do his work, somewhere some tax payers are paying for a very expensive subscription. Or, they can pay $39 for a single article themselves - their choice (hahaha). For the publishers, this is like an endless source of money with minimum amount of work. That's why Springer, DeGruyter and small number of other publishers have sucked up and monopolized nearly all of the previously independent journals. It doesn't matter which journal I choose, I always end up with one of the three or four companies - like with record labels.

      See the problem now?

  3. Hostage by Vlijmen+Fileer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "... Downloading Pirated Scientifc [sic] Papers"??
    You mean:
    "Freeing scientific papers that were being held hostage"

  4. Google the culprit? by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much of this is because when someone googles the relevant terms it shows them Sci-Hub results and not their local restricted library? I.e., how may people are deliberately pirating papers versus being counted as pirates because that's where Google took them to?

  5. Re: Psst. Hey journals. by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your post is jaw-droppingly ignorant.

    Just about every computer scientist is unaffiliated with any institution that pays the extortion for access to these papers, covering a wide range of topics such as artificial intelligence, data compression, image processing, graph theory, statistical analysis, ....

    Your seem to be amazed that I might want to see the 1977 Frei and Chen paper on a complete set of basic functions for both line and edge detection in images. You seem to think that I would be satisfied with the commonly used but inferior Sobel or Prewit operators which dont distinguish between lines and edges and so forth.

    There is a reason that almost nobody uses the Frei and Chen's masks even though its superior.. and it has everything to do with access.

    --
    "His name was James Damore."