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US Calls Switzerland An Internet Piracy Haven (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Office of the United States Trade Representative has published its annual Special 301 Report calling out other nations for failing to live up to U.S. IP enforcement standards. This year European ally Switzerland has been placed on the Watch List for protecting file-sharers and playing host to many pirate sites. "Generally speaking, Switzerland broadly provides high-levels of IPR protection and enforcement in its territory. Switzerland makes important contributions to promoting such protection and enforcement internationally, including in bilateral and multilateral contexts, which are welcomed by the United States," the USTR writes in its assessment.

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  1. Is this something good or bad for switzerland by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is this something good for swiss business, or something bad?

    I mean tax havens are doing great as well.

    1. Re:Is this something good or bad for switzerland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good. It's only bad for Swiss business if the products pirated by the Swiss come directly from other Swiss people.
      But if they are pirating software from foreigners, then the money is obviously staying within the economy to be spent on more relevant resources that aren't capeshit movie #235, a Justin Bieber album, or another broken EA game that's 90% DLC.

    2. Re:Is this something good or bad for switzerland by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Depends on who you are. Personal rights always look bad to people in control. Just ask China. They call the US a heaven for improper speech.

  2. What... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What, because they refused to bow down and enforce the US's laws in their territory? That's worthy of being placed on an international watchlist now - at the same level as Russia and China, no less?

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    1. Re:What... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The world in general needs to grow a pair and tell the corporate-owned-US-government to go fuck itself to death.

    2. Re:What... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes - we un-elected the Surfette from the federal council, she was the one who basically sold out our country to the US...

    3. Re:What... by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The world in general needs to grow a pair and tell the corporate-owned-US-government to go fuck itself to death.

      So do US voters. And I think they are finally trying. It may not work this cycle, but when change still fails it will piss off a LOT of people.

    4. Re: What... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There definitely needs to be a balance between personal rights and corporate rights.

      Why?

      What is the reason you think corporations should have any rights at all? Is it not sufficient that the persons involved have their rights.
      Why do corporations need extra rights on top of that?

    5. Re: What... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the balance should be 100% personal rights and 0% corporate rights. corporations are made of people, they are not people there fore they deserve no rights. if people have all the rights then no corporation would survive that doesn't support the people.

      when people say corporate rights, they mean a different set of rules for the people who own/run the business. Understand what you are saying when you say corporations need rights because they don't! every person should have the same rights, from the janitor to the investor.

    6. Re:What... by mattventura · · Score: 2

      Not even close. From 2015 statistics, royalties and licensing was $128B out of $2.23T, and that includes software. Even cars are a bigger export than royalties.

  3. Or, you know, privacy that really means something by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yup. Just moved all my personal stuff to hostpoint.ch.

    They give you free SSL, ssh access, and they need a warrant before they'll release anything, *and* they'll tell you if a warrant has been issued.

    I've got nothing to hide. My life is disturbingly normal and boring, but it's the principle of the thing. I don't think government should rifle through every piece of my postal mail, and I don't think they should do the same to my email / digital data either.

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  4. Good for them by shaitand · · Score: 2

    That's all.

  5. Beginning of the wrong kinda beautiful friendship by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Swiss and Slashdotters: We are shocked. Shocked!

    Bittorrent: Your files, sir.

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  6. And there's nothing much wrong with piracy by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2

    Having information available to the masses is a good thing. It is like we have a giant library. If your media is really worth money, giving it to the masses is like adding trillions into the economy all at once. You just need new business models to create stuff. I'm looking in the direction of kickstarter.

  7. Government or the people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The title is misleading. "US calls "Switzerland..." implies "US population calls Swiss population...", which we all know didn't happen. The correct title of this article is "US government calls Swiss government..."

    That is, unless you actually believe in the fairy tale that government and the people are one and the same.

    1. Re:Government or the people? by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, Hollywood insiders tell bought and paid for US government spokes people to call Switzerland...

    2. Re:Government or the people? by Archtech · · Score: 2

      That is, unless you actually believe in the fairy tale that government and the people are one and the same.

      Well, I believe that one originated with the US... er... government.

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  8. Well if your country is on some US list by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Informative

    its means they are afraid of the extra freedom/rights your country affords you. That also means they are trying to take away those freedoms, like they took away from their own citizens. Best to just ignore them and let them squawk.

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  9. Re:Or, you know, privacy that really means somethi by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    You are now a target.

    These days, if you are not a target, you really can not be trusted.

  10. From Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Welcome Switzerland, we were getting lonely and will enjoy the company on this prestigious list. We have been on it for years now and if our politicians would listen to the people they represent we would be much higher on the ranking.

    FFS, the list pretty much says that the countries on the list wont completely bend over for the US. I think its time Canada reminds the US what happened in 1812, the last time they tried to invade our country.. its the same thing now, except the US is doing it through trade, I welcome anyone from the US to come visit and see how many sh!ts we give and if your all butt hurt about it you have my condolences. at least if we get butt hurt we can go to a doctor and get it checked out for free.

    1. Re:From Canada by EmeraldBot · · Score: 2

      1812 wasn't a war involving Canada-as-a-country, since it wasn't even a country back then. It was a war between the US and the UK. The people of Canada lost, having to remain loyal subjects of a foreign crown. Canada is lucky not to have turned that bad over the years, but back then it was still a big loss for Canada, just like if the US lost its independence war.

      Lol, Canada wasn't a country back then, but neither was the US. You were just a collection of loose colonies or that fact isn't taught in school anymore ? As for the people of Canada having lost, Jesus man the colonists up north didn't want regime change. That's why they sided with the crown and beat you up. They couldn't give a rat's ass about your revolutionary ideals.

      The motto of the US should be : We've been in the regime change business, since 1777. Seems nothing has changed since then eh ? Born bullies, always bullies.

      You failed to understand his point. There was no "Canada" - there were British settlers who lived north of the United States. When the US rebelled, they came up with a new name and established themselves as an independant country, which the world eventually recognized. Canada at the time was simply unclaimed land and didn't become a country for many years later. Your argument makes about as much sense as saying the United States teamed up with England to fight the French in the colonial wars. It makes no sense because the United States didn't exist at the time, they were just British subjects, and the same goes for Canada at that time. Also, might I point out something? You irrationally assume every American is aggressive and bullying, you assume this list was drafted by every citizen of the United States, and you display a sense of nationalism far greater than mine. I have met many Canadians and on the whole found them to be friendly, polite, and pretty well educated. You, however, are the exception to this - you don't see the irony in accusing Americans of being xenophobic when you're the one who started this, you have no sense of class to deliver your argument professionally, and your best attack is a pathetic barb on a healthcare system you clearly don't understand (in fact, you don't even understand your own.)

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  11. Hey US mind your own business by greatpatton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People in Switzerland start to be really annoyed by the US behavior. More and more people now consider the US as a big bully. No surprise that more and more people even in Switzerland start to see Russia and China as valid partners (Switzerland even signed a free trade agreement with China). A quick example, the US forced Switzerland to automatically provide information on bank account but at the same is refusing to do the same. Regarding IP laws, any change will be fought by the people and it is certain that it will trigger a referendum. I think that the US will keep Switzerland on their black list for a very long time. Now it is no more a question of IP laws, it is a matter to oppose direct change of Swiss laws by a country that is less and less see a valid ally.

  12. US laws are the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The whole ideology of 'intellectual property' proposed by the Americans is unwelcome in Europe. The Americans need to understand that we do not share their greedy 'IP' maximalist agenda, and that we don't want it here. We should place the United States on a corporate totalitarianism watch list, and tell their corporate rulers where to stick their backward laws. I'd like to see patents abolished, and the reach and term of copyright significantly reduced. I hope more forward thinking countries like China will not pander to US blackmail and bullying.

    1. Re:US laws are the problem by Altrag · · Score: 2

      And you make it sound like that distinction even matters. Anyone with even remotely useful reading comprehension can understand that when an outsider says "America" or "the Americans," we mean "the people that dictate American foreign policy" and every single one of the 350million American citizens.

      Or do you believe that every single person in Utah is a Mormon? Or that every single person in California is a Democrat? Its just easier to apply a group label when the context is (or at least should be!) obvious than trying to list every relevant person, company, tree and dog individually, or even than having to write out "the officials and other players that control American foreign policy" in full over and over again.

  13. World Calls U.S. An Asshole Haven. by zenlessyank · · Score: 4, Funny

    News @ 11

  14. Re:The Swiss, having been a Nazi Supporter... by matbury · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wow, didn't take long for Godwin's law to be fulfilled this time. Yes, like all tax havens, the Swiss have provided secrecy and safe haven for the worst of humanity and continue to do so. That's along with Panama, Bermuda, Camen Islands, Jersey & Guernsey, etc. And that's where American billionaire's and corporations hide the fruits of their illegal and immoral activities too. You should check out Jane Mayer's book, "Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right" to see just how depraved it gets and US' involvement in the Nazi holocaust.

  15. Re:Or, you know, privacy that really means somethi by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Dude, we got treated like criminals as children, don't feel bad. We had a fingerprinting push when I was a kid, because "won't someone think of the children". Anyone who knows anything about the cops know that they dust for prints maybe 1% of the time that they might find some... no, sorry, way less than that. There is literally no chance whatsoever that this ever found a child. But they made sure to get us in their database...

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  16. The biggest joke about it by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...is probably that the whole copyright shit is based on the Berne Convention.

    Take a guess where Berne is. Hint: It's in the link.

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