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China Creates World's First Graphene Electronic Paper (techtimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report published on Tech Times: China has developed the world's first graphene electronic paper that can possibly revolutionize the screen displays on electronic gadgets such as wearable devices and e-readers. Developed by Guangzhou OED Technologies in partnership with another company in the Chongqing Province, the material is also the world's lightest and strongest material in prevalence today. It's 0.335 nanometers thick and can be used to create hard or flexible graphene displays. Graphene e-paper comes with the capability to conduct both heat and electricity, and it can supposedly enhance optical displays to a brighter level, owing to its high-light transmittance properties. What about cost? Since it's derived from carbon, graphene-based e-papers can be easily produced cost-effectively. Traditional e-papers use indium metal for their display, which is very expensive and rare to source.

92 comments

  1. China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to narrow it down a bit? Maybe to the people actually doing the thing?

    1. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They stole the design from a team in Colorado Springs, because that's what China does. They steal and steal and steal some more.

    2. Re:China is a big country by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA: "It has been developed by Guangzhou OED Technologies in partnership with another company in the Chongqing Province."

    3. Re: China is a big country by transami · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why? B/c they are "Chinese"?

      Perhaps you should provide some evidence.

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    4. Re: China is a big country by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps you should provide some evidence.

      The Chinese likely stole it from one of the numerous and vastly profitable America factories churning out graphene based products. Some new materials turn out to be 100% hype, with no actual applications, but not graphene. We need tariffs against inferior Chinese graphene, to protect American graphene workers from unfair competition.

    5. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So no actual evidence then. Ok. MAGA.

    6. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately your country didn't build its entire industrial revolution on stolen technology right? Oh wait, it was.

      http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-02-01/piracy-and-fraud-propelled-the-u-s-industrial-revolution

      Pot meet kettle.

    7. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and has an abundant history of being a duck...

    8. Re: China is a big country by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

      I agree, this is totally unfair! My uncle works in a graphene mine and he might lose his job now.

    9. Re: China is a big country by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Try learning a little more about the 19th C before sticking your foot so firmly in your mouth.

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    10. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does being a duck have anything to do with being Chinese?

    11. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese stealing their designs from, well, anyone, is about as likely as Mormons using the bible for reference.

      It's just what they do. Trying to pretend otherwise is idiotic. Don't blame anyone else for not expecting a rigid pattern to suddenly be broken. At this point, the burden of proof is on the Chinese when it comes to any one of them doing any of their own research and development.

    12. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never heard of Peking Duck?

    13. Re: China is a big country by KGIII · · Score: 2

      You can bet Trump will put a stop to this!

      Hmm... I don't know, I don't think that sentence looks good on me.

      On a more serious note, graphene is actually really easy to make. It's just not easy to make in large quantities or in formats that are then easily worked. One of the easiest ways to make graphene can be done right there at your desk. Take a pencil and a piece of tape.Write on the sticky side, go ahead and get a few thick lines on there. Now, over and over again press the tape together so that a non-covered section gets stuck with the covered section and then peel them apart. Do that over and over again. You've got graphene in short order. Really, you'll have graphene in just a few minutes.

      Now, there are much better processes but I'm told that none of them are great for making it in quantity or in an easily worked form. I guess, we could hire a bunch of Chinese people and give them all a roll of Scotch Tape and some pencils but that's not going to get us very far. I'm not sure what improvements have been made in the past 18 months or so. Hmm... Maybe two years? I've not read of anything popping up on the production side - but I do read about a lot of theoretical uses that are right around the corner.

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    14. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plenty of other markets for them to sell in. No worries. We will buy.

    15. Re: China is a big country by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      Hey KGIII, the other thread is closed, so I'm replying here. Did you ever make it to Cuba?

    16. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have some information to counter Bloomberg's fairly detailed article please post it.

      Taking the textile IP was against UK laws, Hamilton knew it and encouraged others to take it anyhow.

    17. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, you mean like how America stole its land from the natives that they slaughtered.

    18. Re: China is a big country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the Americans stole rocket technology/technologists from Peenemunde?

    19. Re:China is a big country by smithmc · · Score: 1

      "Guangzhou OED Technologies in partnership with another company in the Chongqing Province" isn't good enough for you?

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  2. Written by a 3rd grader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "What about cost? Since it's derived from carbon, graphene-based e-papers can be easily produced cost-effectively". The source element has little to do with the cost to manufacture.

    1. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed...like diamonds.

    2. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Graphene is not exactly "in prevalence" yet. All we can do is produce experimental scraps of it.

    3. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a given that everything is expensive when it's new, so I think the unspoken (and kind of obvious) point is that as manufacturing technique improves, there's a very long way that price reduction can go. This will never be true of rare natural resources, however.

    4. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can produce an entire CD of it using a Lightscribe CD-R label burner. The chemicals are fairly expensive, but that doesn't mean we can't produce it in quantity. I agree that it's still too expensive to produce, but then again: so is carbon fiber.

    5. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2

      or to use a car analogy: carbon fibre cars are so ubiquitous because they are cheaper to manufacture than steel cars.

    6. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      You know what's cheaper than steel cars?

      Steal cars.

    7. Re: Written by a 3rd grader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure that isn't just a metaphor for your own impending obsolescence and mortality that you are confusing with the future of Earth?

    8. Re: Written by a 3rd grader by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Putting things in space has been getting cheaper, actually, much cheaper in fact. Also, the only reason something might get older as it ages is when demand for it falls, thus you lose the ability to take advantage of economies of scale. Examples of that are parts for older cars.

    9. Re:Written by a 3rd grader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer chips are largely free, since they are made from sand -- something you can find on the ground.

  3. Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The current e-ink market is heavily controlled thus expensive niche items for products that are very cheap to manufacture. We've missed the boat with e-ink phones despite the technology being available for more than a decade - the patent holders didn't want their IP "cheapened" by ending up in inexpensive phones. Hopefully this will open things up a bit. I've wanted an e-ink monitor ever since the technology has been announced but the closest I've been able to get is an android tablet (Boox) and only in the last year.

    1. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Two things.

      Full color.

      Video capable update speeds.

      No? Pass.

    2. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are a lot of applications where both of your criteria are not needed.
      Do you really need to play movies on the wall panel that tells you what the airconditioner is doing?

    3. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by mark-t · · Score: 0

      And there are applications where at least one or sometimes both are desirable, even if not necessarily strictly needed. Other technologies exist that do both, so they are used instead. When epaper can do both, I'm sure there'll be a mass migration to it, but consider that it wasn't until LCD displays were both full color and affordable that they really started started taking off... eventually obsoleting the CRT display entirely..

    4. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Yes but currently those ones that can do both really suck in situations such as in direct sunlight.
      The "device that does everything" does not currently exist so there is no point using it as a comparison.

    5. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The market would seem to think that sucking in direct sunlight is an acceptable compromise to otherwise having color and full motion video.

    6. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but consider that it wasn't until LCD displays were both full color and affordable that they really started started taking off... eventually obsoleting the CRT display entirely..

      That is just false. They took off long before that. Every digital watch had them, all early cell phones had them. Every printer, copying machine or digital thermometer had them.
      It was when LCDs got full color that CRT became obsolete but they were everywhere before that.

      I have an application for cheap e-paper and a customer that wants it. I don't need full color or video display.
      Just make it cheap and not locked up to a single vendor (Not being able to go somewhere else when one vendor acts up is a big no-no here.) and I can make it so that you can't take a walk in a larger city without seeing e-paper.

    7. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of applications where both of your criteria are not needed.
      Do you really need to play movies on the wall panel that tells you what the airconditioner is doing?

      Yes.

      Now bring me the fucking color displays.

    8. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Just make sure that the dimensions for "your application" also covers the dimensions required for use as "digital house wallpaper".

      Thanks.

    9. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's a load of shit. There's been mass adoption of many types of displays that don't do both of what you describe. This isn't an issue of want, it's an issue of limitations applied by IP holders.

    10. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well I would be happy with just full color.
      It would be nice to have Wall paper that you can program different colors and designs on the fly. Where you can be delightfully tacky one day. And refined and simplistic the next.

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    11. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I was curious so I went searching earlier. I figured I'd open the thread back up and link this:
      http://www.eink.com/display_pr...

      Inside the Triton section, root around. There's some partner showcases that have some color stuff. Some of them are kind of neat. There's some developer kit here:
      http://www.eink.com/developer_...

      The first one is $70 and looks like it might be fun to play with. The second link looks like it's software and info. Obviously, I haven't looked at it very deeply. I'd just looked because I was curious - I opened the thread again to share what I'd found.

      Here are some concepts but it appears that they work.
      http://www.eink.com/concept_sh...

      It only does something like 16 colors and 11 shades (something like that) so you get 4096 colors total to use.

      I'm an automotive enthusiast so these piqued my interest as they're sort of in-line with a concept I've been mulling over for a while:
      http://www.eink.com/concept_sh...

      Here's an e-reader that's a rugged model, note the colored icons on the right:
      http://www.eink.com/concept_sh...

      Hmm... It looks like it's something that can be done but is likely still cost prohibitive for most people. I've fired off an email concerning the last product listed to see if they've share more information. It's not yet on the vendor's page so it's surely still in concept stage. If it's any good, I'd love to have one.

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    12. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Amazon already own it's own color screen technology,.
      http://www.reuters.com/article...
      https://www.google.se/search?q...

      I wouldn't really settle for the very poor colors of the Triton screen. Maybe it would be an improvement for Dungeons & Dragons rule books (or not due to poorer resolution?) but it's too shitty for comics. Why would I read that on that screen rather than IPS or OLED?

      I opened the second link but I can not really follow it / don't know what to look at.

      I guess for speedometers(?) it may be fine.
      Check Mirasol: http://the-digital-reader.com/...
      And Liquavista: http://the-digital-reader.com/...
      The later is the one which look the best IMHO. But Amazon hasn't put it into a kindle even though they own the company. They will know much more about the capabilities of the display than I do though =P

      The last concept unit you linked look "better."
      It doesn't have to have perfect color some is better than none.
      The problem with Mirasol or atleast in some versions of this is that it seem to look like say butterfly wings: http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-...
      I think it worked about the same by working with very small gaps too (matching wave-length of light.)

    13. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're kind of getting there but nothing quite right. I'd seen the latter picture - the one with Slash in it but not the two phones. They appear washed out - for lack of a better phase. I'd like to see more images of the concept that they had for the ruggedized e-Reader. That interests me, a lot. For my purposes, which would be a dashboard, the speedometers look like they'd do the trick.

      Off-topic: I'd like to do a whole dashboard in nothing but touch-pads, ala tablets, and having them in e-ink would be much better for a whole host of reasons. It'd be nice, however, to use a 'dashboard' of your own choosing and to actually use said 'dashboards' as a dashboard. ;-) But, being able to flip from various screens would be great - with presets and memories and the ability to control the information pushed to the HUD. (I'm growing fond of the HUD in the new BMW, I liked it at first but now I'm really starting to like it - you can use it with little distraction - to the point where it is less distraction than the normal methods of checking instrumentation readouts. Though the pedestrian and animal alerts are sometimes a bit more aggressive than I'd prefer.)

      At any rate, it's interesting to see where it goes. I doubt that it will ever reach the level of Ultra High Resolution but I can think of lots of things (like D&D manuals) where it would be fantastic. I'm not too picky, not really. My monitor's not set to the highest resolution possible. I actually turn down the definition rate at YouTube by default. All I watch is documentaries and I don't really game. So, I'm quite fine with just 360 or whatever it is set at now. Yup, it is 360 - I have a tab open. Said tab is a documentary about an airplane that never went into production and was kind of hidden from public view - the Arrow (in Canada) and the documentary was made in 1978 or so. HD really doesn't do it any favors. ;-)

      I'm not that picky. Though, for some art, the lack of colors might actually be a benefit. Some of them were really fond of strong colors and not a whole lot of them. I could see it working for, say, Baum's Batman. A certain "Je nest cest quas?" (I have no idea if that's spelled even remotely correctly. An art critic I am not.)

      But yeah, it looks like they're getting there.

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    14. Re:Will this mean e-ink we can buy? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I've got a device with a Triton display - nearly everyone will find it disappointing for colours since they come out very pale, like old newsprint really. The monochrome resolution is extremely high though compared even with most other e-ink at the time of release (1600x1200) - so text looks very nice on it. The WinCE software on the device with that screen holds it back from anything other than epubs and very simple PDF files (it can't even do rotate). It's a bit of an example of how the e-ink patent holders licence to single vendors so you get a single substandard niche device with their screen instead of several competing options

  4. Re:industrial sabotage by transami · · Score: 1

    Proof?

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  5. Ugh these sites... by transami · · Score: 0

    Please stop linking to sites that are 70% ads.

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  6. this is great! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i'm looking forward to cheap epaper for stuff because the current e-ink clowns refuse to work with anyone that isn't a multibillion dollar company.

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    1. Re:this is great! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Now that's a post that should be modded up to eleven if it was possible.

    2. Re:this is great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, have all my virtual modpoints.

    3. Re:this is great! by inflex · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Went looking for some eInk solutions for a few projects a while back, ended up just giving up as there seems to be this great void between the accessible ( 2~2.5" max ) and the "Good luck buddy, no help for you!" 6"+ displays. Ever since eInk really captured the developer imagination, it feels like it's been some ludicrously guarded secret club to get your hands on a decent unit at a sane price.

      Ideally I'd still love to see a reasonably fast refresh (10Hz) 13~15" eInk display.

    4. Re:this is great! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That seems odd. I have a friend out in Nevada who was talking about getting a run of something like 100,000 ebooks made to his design and specs. I seem to recall he said he was going to send me one and he might have actually done so. I did see pics of his prototypes and they were probably 7-8" if I had to guess. I didn't ask the specs.

      I can assure you, he is not a billionaire. He's probably a millionaire on paper but he's cash-poor. He's got some assets but not ones that are easily liquidated and that's the majority of his net worth. He's got a few patents, a small prototype/quasi-fab shop.

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  7. This is the most BS summary I've heard on slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... in a while.

    A) this is not the first time a conductive graphene coating has been shown.
    B) It won't revolutionize anything, it's just a very conductive transparent material, like on all LCD screens. It's about cost.
    C) Lightest typically means low density, not just small. A single molecule of water is 'lighter' than graphene.
    D) At 1nm thick, any material is flexible. The flexibility at this scale depends entirely upon the substrate the graphene is on.
    E) While graphene is an excellent heat conductor, the quantity of graphene present means that the thermal conductivity of the material is a negligible component of the overall thermal conductivity of the device.
    F) Cost for graphene is NOT based on the availability of the elements used to make it like it is for ITO, it's based on production costs.

    Real story: Graphene is very conductive for how thin it is, so a single or few layers are enough to get high surface conductivity while remaining mostly transparent. With well developed processing (this is where the research is currently), graphene is poised to make displays cheaper. Full Stop.

  8. e-Vapor? by John.Banister · · Score: 2

    No information on the switching speed.
    No information on the pixel density.
    No information on the energy consumption.
    No information on the reflectivity or whether it's transmissive instead or whether it emits light.
    No information on whether it's a straight on-off effect or whether they can do pixel level grayscale.
    No description of how it works.
    Just descriptions of graphene and the sentence "we used it to make electronic paper." One of the articles did say that their time scale for having a product is "within a year.". I think I'll forget about it until then.

    1. Re:e-Vapor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point it doesn't even matter. We just need a single alternative to break the current monopoly on e-paper.
      It doesn't matter how crap the alternative is as long as there is an appearance that you can buy it from somewhere.
      Just the appearance of it being purchasable will hopefully be sufficient to break the current situation.

    2. Re:e-Vapor? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The company behind this already makes e-paper displays.

      The Chinese press release has a little bit more info. While they don't give any specs, they do say that the new system can be used in flexible displays. It won't be emitting any light if it is e-paper, the basic definition of which is that it is ultra low power and passive (like actual paper).

      They also note that graphine was discovered in the UK. It's interesting to note that while the UK discovered this material, we have largely failed to capitalize on it. Most of the patents and new products have gone to China, Japan, Korea and to a lesser extent the US.

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    3. Re:e-Vapor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this ^

      How many colours can it display at the very least? is it black and white?..

      Pictures or it didn't happen. __

    4. Re:e-Vapor? by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      I read the Google translate version of that document. It said they got e-ink to stick to graphene, and talked about how two companies had formed a partnership to find something to replace ITO (Indium Tin Oxide) in displays, suggesting that the e-ink is what they've used in the past and that the graphene will be the transparent surface layer in their product. Then, it talked about ITO, and it talked about graphene, and it talked about IP disputes and yota phone with Putin. So, it did have a little bit more to say about the product it's announcing. Not up to a full paragraph worth of information yet but now more than a single sentence.

      If you're interested, here's an article on attempts to use graphene to replace ITO in solar cells. Here's one on attempting to use thin films of correlated metals to replace ITO in displays And, here's one on ITO having properties that could make it good to use for optical data transmission.

    5. Re:e-Vapor? by saccade.com · · Score: 1

      +1. And not even a photo of a prototype.

    6. Re:e-Vapor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Chinese. It's going to be shit. Like everything Chinese.

  9. What? Them Chinese stole springs from Colorado? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    ... They stole the design from a team in Colorado Springs, because that's what China does. They steal and steal and steal some more ...

    How can Colorado be so careless?

    Without "Spring", Colorado only has Summer, Fall and Winter left !

  10. Cutting edge by dbIII · · Score: 1

    No information on the switching speed. No information on the pixel density. No information on the energy consumption. No information on the reflectivity or whether it's transmissive instead or whether it emits light. No information on whether it's a straight on-off effect or whether they can do pixel level grayscale. No description of how it works. Just descriptions of graphene and the sentence "we used it to make electronic paper." One of the articles did say that their time scale for having a product is "within a year.". I think I'll forget about it until then.

    It's in the lab not a product FFS!
    If you don't want to read about emerging technology then read other articles.

    1. Re:Cutting edge by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      I wanted to read about emerging technology. In this case, all the informational content about the nature of the emerging technology was in the headline. I have to read other articles if I do want to read about emerging technology.

    2. Re:Cutting edge by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Switching speed, pixel density, energy consumption etc are features of a prototype product instead of a newly devised technology at the first announcement stage.

    3. Re: Cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Production in 12 though?

    4. Re:Cutting edge by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      And the only information available came across like a manufacturer's product announcement press release, not like a description of first success in lab work. If you have better information, post a link.

    5. Re:Cutting edge by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Yet it is not a product announcement so it is a mistake to treat it like one.

  11. Just like russian news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The first sentence in many Russian articles is "America did something", as you well know, later it is revealed that it was never America or even US government but some company or an individual. Communists always give credit to the whole country, never to individuals involved.

  12. No picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No picture, not even a crude prototype, so in my mind this doesn't actually exist yet.

  13. Keep your invisible hands to yourself by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The market buys a lot of things, such as e-ink readers due to LCD sucking in direct sunlight. If the deliberately restricted market of e-ink opens up a bit due to real competition and is able to actually act like the market you describe then I think there will be room in the market for more devices.
    Your snarky "market" comment is amusing considering the topic. Do you really know that little about what has been going on with e-ink for a decade?

    1. Re:Keep your invisible hands to yourself by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Sharp's memory LCD technology is daylight readable and uses very little power. Not quite as little as e-ink, but low enough that the little solar cells you get on calculators can run them forever. They are fast enough for animation/video too.

      The only down side is that they have the same issue as e-ink: patented, single source, not developing very fast and not many different modules to choose from.

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    2. Re:Keep your invisible hands to yourself by aliquis · · Score: 1

      The market buys a lot of things, such as e-ink readers due to LCD sucking in direct sunlight. If the deliberately restricted market of e-ink opens up a bit due to real competition and is able to actually act like the market you describe then I think there will be room in the market for more devices.
      Your snarky "market" comment is amusing considering the topic. Do you really know that little about what has been going on with e-ink for a decade?

      But does it?
      http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/...
      http://goodereader.com/blog/el...
      http://www.mobileindustryrevie...

      The e-ink readers has been in a decline for long and have had their peak "many" years ago.

      The other guy said "oh buy you don't need color and animation for this purpose!" - yeah, that's the same Amazon argue and that's why their e-ink readers still suck. "But we don't need it because books don't have colors!" (or animations) - If you build it they will come. I don't fucking care that for thousands of years it's been ~black ~ink on ~pale surface of some sort for text. There's been other things too but that for text. I still want more, there's other things with more (magazines, comics, photos, ..)
      The new Kindle Oasis is £270!! £270!!!! That's more than the fucking One Plus 3!!
      It still has a shitty small grey-scale screen which is somewhat good for one purpose alone and that's to show black and white text. £270!! (And they don't even sell to Sweden.)
      Heck, even I could likely get laid for less!

    3. Re:Keep your invisible hands to yourself by mark-t · · Score: 1
      So when a supposedly obviously superior technology doesn't really fly, it must be because of some conspiracy to "deliberately restrict" the market? How about considering just the possibility that it doesn't do what people actually seem to want.

      When epaper can do what OLEDs currently do with regards to color and full motion video, it will really take off.. but until then, it simply isn't going to be ubiquitous enough to have really widespread appeal, even for applications where it probably would be adequate.

    4. Re:Keep your invisible hands to yourself by dbIII · · Score: 1

      So when a supposedly obviously superior technology doesn't really fly, it must be because of some conspiracy to "deliberately restrict" the market?

      If you had actually read my comment far above instead of a knee-jerk reaction to a keyword then you would know wouldn't you?

      Congrats - you have demonstrated that you know less about the topic than was mentioned in a single short post that you replied to!

    5. Re:Keep your invisible hands to yourself by dbIII · · Score: 1

      See the post at the start of this thread to get up to speed on things like those ridiculous prices.

  14. Patent Trolling 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually single atom Graphene was invented in Manchester University UK.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene
    http://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/
    within a few days of Manchester UNi Patenting the find, China patented derivates. (basically copied in a patent troll kinda way.)

    So in 10 years the Chinese will be suing westerner companies for something which was developed in the west.. progress eh!!

  15. Tech Times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So many pop up adverts.....arrgh

  16. Re:industrial sabotage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think he is referring to things like this: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-02-01/piracy-and-fraud-propelled-the-u-s-industrial-revolution

    Oh wait, that is the US stealing IP from others.. wrong article..

    At least the Chinese don't have individuals like Alexander Hamilton calling for outright IP theft.
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    The most candid mission statement in this regard was Alexander Hamilton’s “Report on Manufactures,” submitted to Congress in December 1791. “To procure all such machines as are known in any part of Europe can only require a proper provision and due pains,” Hamilton wrote. “The knowledge of several of the most important of them is already possessed. The preparation of them here is, in most cases, practicable on nearly equal terms.”

  17. Re: industrial sabotage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it funny how there are so many people here against software patents and copyright of music. But when it comes to China all of a sudden they turn a 180 degrees and support IP laws. It's the most hypocritical thing ever.

    Also, China didn't steal anything because the idea wasn't even fucking invented yet. So how can they steal something that doesn't exists? Yea, it's possible they took some ideas from the US company, but they actually innovated this time by creating something new. Again, this is what the anti copyright people propose with music, that people should be able to sample and build off each other's ideas (good artists steal, right?) But again when it comes to China, all of a sudden this is not allowed.

    Your biases are really starting to show.

  18. Wait, what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Since it's derived from carbon, graphene-based e-papers can be easily produced cost-effectively.

    Look, one thing does not follow from the other. Carbon fiber is made from carbon, but it's expensive as hell because of the necessary energy input. So what makes this stuff cheap? TFA doesn't say, either.

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Graphene on the other hand is a lot easier, hence the assumption in the article. It's a reordering of graphite that isn't as difficult to do as lining everything up in one direction as with carbon fibre.

      As an analogy, it's like comparing the very large, very pure silicon ingots used for microprocessors with a sandcastle.

  19. Wasteful by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Two things. Full color. Video capable update speeds. No? Pass.

    Does every book you read have full color and "video capable update speed"? How about signs? Posters? Indicator displays? Meters? Calculators? No they don't. Some applications need color and/or video. Many more do not. It's idiotic and wasteful to insist on technology not appropriate or optimized for a given task.

    Seriously, don't be so daft as to think every display needs to be some power hungry 4K color video display. In fact there are a lot of applications where the display you describe would actually reduce its capability. An ebook reader doesn't need color video to display text.

    1. Re:Wasteful by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Arguing that many applications don't require it has no bearing on what people seem to actually want. That the current OLED market has all but destroyed the market for epaper suggests that people want what they *LIKE*, not necessarily what they *NEED*.

    2. Re:Wasteful by dbIII · · Score: 1

      People want what they can get. I suggest you actually read some of the posts you have replied to instead of your lazy and insulting keyword kneejerks. It's very clear that you know less about the topic than you could have easily picked up today without even following a link.

  20. Another graphene-based non-revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just another addition to the long list of revolutions that graphene is to bring just about any day now. Apart from graphene itself, the only element in common to all those revolutions in that they seem to languish on the verge of the revolution indefinitely.

  21. How is your Chinese Food Sir? by nanospook · · Score: 1

    Waiter.. The chopsticks with the animated porn advertisements is somewhat distracting! *Credit to Neal Stephenson (except the porn part)*

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  22. Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They are NOT the first. It's already been done.

    The following company already did that as a demonstrator.

    http://www.graphenea.com/collections/graphene-oxide

  23. 0.335 nanometers thick?! by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    I'll never fit that in my pocket. I bet Apple will get it much thinner.