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Oceans Could Soon Not Have Enough Oxygen To Support Marine Life (iflscience.com)

An anonymous reader writes: As the climate continues to change in response to the increasing amount of carbon humans pump into the atmosphere, the oceans are being particularly hard hit from melting Arctic sea ice, acidification, and warming surface temperatures. Yet those are not the only difficulties that marine life has to deal with, as a new study reports that the oceans are also losing oxygen. As the majority of marine life relies on the oxygen dissolved in the oceans, it is worrying that noticeable differences have been observed in the gas concentrations in the world's waters. The reduction in oxygen will have profound effects on ocean biodiversity, though as the study published in Global Biogeochemical Cycles shows, not all regions will be affected in the same way or over the same period of time."Loss of oxygen in the ocean is one of the serious side effects of a warming atmosphere, and a major threat to marine life," said lead author Matthew Long of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. "Since oxygen concentrations in the ocean naturally vary depending on variations in winds and temperature at the surface, it's been challenging to attribute any deoxygenation to climate change. This new study tells us when we can expect the impact from climate change to overwhelm the natural variability."

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  1. Giant Bubbler by dfn5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I propose the installation of a giant aquarium bubbler at the bottom of the ocean.

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    1. Re:Giant Bubbler by shadowrat · · Score: 4, Funny

      I propose the installation of a giant aquarium bubbler at the bottom of the ocean.

      the treasure chest that opens to release a torrent of built up bubbles is a classic, but i've always been partial to the skeleton at the helm with his head bobbing in the air stream.

    2. Re: Giant Bubbler by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      Really? Clearly you don't understand how big the ocean is. Might as well get a toddler to blow into a straw because that's about as effective this would be globally. Maybe you could support local populations of certain species. Basically an aquarium in the ocean.

    3. Re:Giant Bubbler by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      And a turbine just above it so the bubbles will turn the blades to generate electricity that run the pump that creates the bubbles that turn the blades to ...

    4. Re: Giant Bubbler by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about getting Trump and a couple of other politicians to blow into that straw? Only problem might be raising the ocean temperature with all of that hot air.

    5. Re:Giant Bubbler by cellocgw · · Score: 2

      ... and we'll make the fish pay for it! Make America's oceans great again!

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    6. Re: Giant Bubbler by plover · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just want to see how big the plastic treasure chest is that lets that many bubbles out!

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    7. Re:Giant Bubbler by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      All the plastic bags in the ocean will plug it up.

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  2. Yikes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wouldn't want to be a dolphin right now.

    1. Re:Yikes by prefec2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would have rated that funny, but I am not sure whether the author knows dolphins are mammals which would make this a humorous remark or the author is normal internet idiot, which would make this a face palm post.

    2. Re:Yikes by kenj123 · · Score: 2

      Problem is the dolphins won't have anything to eat. Ecosystems have a lot of interdependencies.

    3. Re:Yikes by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Well, I guess they're finally going to have get off their lazy asses and learn to walk on land like the rest of us. Don't even get me started about those whales.

  3. Some perspective here... by Hussman32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    -The ocean is alkaline, which means that stronger base electrolytes (as compared to the weak carbonic acid) still dominate the charge balance.
    -This is an El Nino year, the higher surface temperature will release more oxygen from the ocean because gas solubility decreases with increasing temperature.
    -Most of the world's oxygen comes from the phytoplankton, and their population dynamics are remarkably challenging to model. However, if they are not dying en masse, then the oxygen production will remain about the same; some may be redistributed.
    -The sky indeed is remaining above us, and not falling.

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    1. Re:Some perspective here... by cats-paw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      -The ocean is alkaline, which means that stronger base electrolytes (as compared to the weak carbonic acid) still dominate the charge balance.

      however the ocean is becoming more acidic, and that trend will continue. saying it's still basic is not reassuring in the least.

      -This is an El Nino year, the higher surface temperature will release more oxygen from the ocean because gas solubility decreases with increasing temperature.

      chances are good that El Nino year's will become more common, in part because the oceans' average temperatures will contiune to rise. so we can expect the ocean to continue to lose more oxygen.

      -Most of the world's oxygen comes from the phytoplankton [earthsky.org], and their population dynamics are remarkably challenging to model. However, if they are not dying en masse, then the oxygen production will remain about the same; some may be redistributed.

      what is en masse ? do you think we could detect a population drop of 5% or 10% ? is that en masse ? would it affect ocean oxygen levels ? yes, yes it would.

      -The sky indeed is remaining above us, and not falling.

      oh it absolutely is falling. slowly perhaps, maybe it will take 1 or 2 centuries. maybe a lot less.
      And your point is that I shouldn't listen to the warnings from scientists, because they're all hysterical, but i should listen you ?
      so we should do nothing until we're sure we're all going to die or something ?

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    2. Re:Some perspective here... by dywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      odd that you missed the point even though you specifically stated it:water holds less dissolved oxygen as it gets warmer.
      the ocean is getting warmer. O2 content is measurably going down, even without the effects if El Nino. phytoplankton oxygen production is completely irrelevant to that discussion.

      and yes the ocean is currently alkaline, but that doesn't mean it's not acidifying. acidifying != acidic. to be acidic pH needs to be below 7, but to be acidifying it merely needs to be moving from a higher pH to a lower pH, which it is measurably doing.

      your post is meaningless deflection, and certainly not insightful.

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    3. Re:Some perspective here... by riverat1 · · Score: 2

      -Most of the world's oxygen comes from the phytoplankton [earthsky.org], and their population dynamics are remarkably challenging to model. However, if they are not dying en masse, then the oxygen production will remain about the same; some may be redistributed.

      A report published in 2010 says "Phytoplankton Population Drops 40 Percent Since 1950". I wonder how much that has to do with the drop in oxygen in the oceans.

  4. Counter Perspective (Sorta) by SenatorPerry · · Score: 2

    Abstract: "ABSTRACT: Cyanobacteria make significant contributions to global carbon and nitrogen cycling, particularly in the oligotrophic subtropical and tropical gyres. The present study examined short-term (days) physiological and acclimation responses of natural cyanobacterial populations to changes in pH/pCO2 spanning the last glacial minimum, ~8.4/~150 ppm, to projected year 2100 values of ~7.8/~800 ppm. Fe- and P-replete colonies of Trichodesmium increased N2-fixation rates (nmol N colony1 h1) at pH 7.8 by 54% (range 6 to 156%) over ambient pH/pCO2 conditions, while N2-fixation at pH/pCO2 8.4 was 21% (range 6 to 65%) lower than at ambient pH/pCO2; a similar pattern was observed when the rates were normalized to colony C. C-fixation rates were on average 13% (range 72 to 112%) greater at low pH than at ambient pH and 37% (53 to 23%) greater than at high pH. Whole community assemblages dominated by Prochlorococcus and Synechococcus (47 to 95% of autotrophic biomass), whether nutrient-replete or P-limited, did not show a clear response of C-fixation rates to changes in pH/pCO2. Comparison of initial and final C-fixation responses across pH/pCO2 treatments suggests rapid acclimation of cellular physiology to new pH/pCO2 conditions. Changes in cell size and pigment content for Prochlorococcus and Synechococcus were minor and did not vary in a consistent manner with changes in pH/pCO2. These results for natural populations of all 3 cyanobacteria concur with previous research and suggest that one important response to changes in ocean pH and pCO2 might be an increase in N2 and C fixation by Trichodesmium under nutrient-replete conditions. The response of single-cell cyanobacteria to changes in pH/pCO2 will likely be indirect and controlled by the response to other variables, such as nutrients."

    Source: http://www.int-res.com/article...

  5. Re:Polar ice caps might all melt away too... by prefec2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The polar caps are melting. They are melting even faster than anticipated. However, if you do not trust scientists you can just measure the CO2 levels of your ocean next to you. It is not really difficult. You can google how to build a proper probe. Beside that you could trust the scientists, as they would all keep their jobs in case of no global warming, because we would still want to know how the atmosphere works, how the see works etc.

  6. Re:Polar ice caps melting faster than expected by Layzej · · Score: 4, Informative

    They were wrong about the ice caps melting,

    The arctic ice cap is melting much faster than predicted: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicen...

  7. The oceans died eighteen years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As predicted by Ted Danson. But it doesn't matter now because the rest of the planet was destroyed earlier this year, just as Al Gore predicted.

  8. Doom and Gloom by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before we talk about how we're going to destroy 'biodiversity' can we remember that iron ... pulling oxygen OUT of the oceans is theorized to be one of the events for the way life evolved on this planet?

    You gotta stop with the doom and gloom crap, we already know the path between the beginning of time and this point in time had points that were FAR fucking worse than ANY prediction about global warming ... and yet ... here we are.

    Now I'm certainly not saying that humans will do well or survive the changes to come, we most certainly won't survive forever, thats just one of the more depressing facts about the universe as we know it.

    But the 'threat' of 'climate change' doesn't sound nearly as big bad ass scary when you look around and say 'no ... this isn't really anything new, we just haven't actually been here for the previous times its been like this'

    Human civilization 10,000 years old
    Earth: 4,500,000,000 years old

    Get some perspective.

    If you want people to listen, you're story has to be one that isn't obviously an attention grab. You can make the attention grab, you just gotta be a little more subtle about it.

    If you were working on Wall Street, the same version of your story would be 'Amazon from running the smaller businesses and competition out of the market .. we'll have another great depression!!@#~!@$~!$@~'

    And people respond with 'yea, okay, well thats not really that big of a deal and we've been there done that, we'll enjoy the benefits until then and deal with the bad parts at that point, and then we'll move on and life will be good again'.

    Do you understand the problem with your delivery now maybe?

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    1. Re:Doom and Gloom by dywolf · · Score: 2

      just like the way to make racism go away is to pretend it doesn't exist and never talk about it?
      Yeah...no...that's foolish and ignorant.

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  9. Crazed alarmism DOESN'T HELP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This over-the-top alarmism over climate change doesn't help - because credibility is permanently lost when the crazed predictions fail to come true.

    The average temperature of the Earth in geological terms has been about 25C, or a helluva lot warmer than now - and life did fine.

  10. Re:Polar ice caps might all melt away too... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

    Actually they're not. You might want to look up dead zones sometime.

  11. Fixed this already by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get Billy Mays to use his stuff, it'll fix it. You may also get your clothes cleaned at the same time.

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  12. The use of "could" invalidates the entire post by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oceans Could Soon Not Have Enough Oxygen To Support Marine Life

    The use of "could" makes the entire statement unfalsifiable and therefor non-scientific. We get these in popular press — /. included — about weekly.

    For several decades now such doom-sayers have been predicting disasters "soon" without a single one of them getting anywhere close. When the predicted time passes and anyone still has the attention span to ask: "Hey, was that wrong?" — the answer, if any, is: "We never said, it will happen, only that it could."

    Basing public policy on these "predictions" is completely bogus. Geico's "promise" of "15 minutes could save you 15%" is as reliable — and more fun too.

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    1. Re:The use of "could" invalidates the entire post by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      mi is still arguing like a lawyer. A year or so ago I gave him a link to an article that compared temperature and sea level rise to model projections and showed the models were mostly right on temperature and lagging on sea level rise. Here's a different one that does the same comparison of observations in 2007 to the projections from the IPCC 2001 (AR3) report which started its projections in 1990. But instead of taking in the information mi will reject it because it's not in his cherished format. If mi had any gumption he'd look up the projections from the AR3 report and the observations from 2007 to have his cherished 2 sources and see if what the paper said is true. Instead he's unwilling to meet anyone halfway and wants it all handed to him on a silver platter. Like I said, he argues like a lawyer.

  13. No. Might in 2030 have detectable decrease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look at the paper. It doesn't say that oxygen is decreasing to dangerous levels. It says that computers think that by 2030 it might be possible to measure a certain decrease in oxygen in certain places. The change is too small to measure at present, if that change is happening.

  14. Re:Polar ice caps might all melt away too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, you're right, the deniers were wrong about the ice caps not melting. They are melting. We're making the a mess out of our planet and you'll take your chances on just moving forward down the same path and think nothing will happen.

    Please get educated and hopefully a little tiny bit of intelligence. Maybe then you'll actually open your eyes and ears and look and listen instead of burying your head in the sand.

  15. HGTTG by number6x · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just got this package delivered fedex...

    It's a kind of vase thingy with the words 'So long, and thanks for all the fish.' etched into it.

    Really pretty, but I think it means that the dolphins are going to be OK.

  16. Re:Polar ice caps melting faster than expected by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Al Gore

    DRINK!

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  17. Re:Cue the Tired Old White Men... by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How to tell if your post is racist: Replace the politically correct racial target with a politically incorrect one making the exact same statement and wait for SJWs to attack.

    Racist much?

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  18. Most of the Oxygen You Breath Comes From the Ocean by catchblue22 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Simple fact: Most of the oxygen you breath comes from the ocean.

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  19. Re:Soon? by Layzej · · Score: 2

    On geological scales, 14 years isn't soon. 14 years is now.

    14 years for detection. No timeline for when this becomes a threat to marine life. The editor wanted an attention grabbing headline that is not supported by the paper or even the article.

  20. Re:That doesn't make sense by dywolf · · Score: 2

    not so extraordinary once you consider that water holds less dissolved oxygen the warmer it gets.
    there are multiple die offs in the fossil record of marine life likely tied to oxygen depletion of the oceans.

    why do folks always ignore that the life that exists now is not the same as the life that existed then?
    with several hundred million years in between life adapts for -current- conditions.
    and when those conditions change, they die and get replaced by life adapted for the changed conditions.

    the assumption that because its colder now, or Co2 is lower now, that current life wont go extinct or be threatened by an increase in temperature is simply not valid. the whole of your point is essentially a variation on the "it was warmer before" argument.

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  21. Oh, it's just a simulation by mbeckman · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Secure from battle stations, environmental joiners. Nobody has actually _measured_ a depletion trend for O2 in the Earth's oceans. It's all based on dodgy climate simulations:

    To cut through this natural variability and investigate the impact of climate change, the research team—including Curtis Deutsch of the University of Washington and Taka Ito of Georgia Tech—relied on the NCAR-based Community Earth System Model, which is funded by the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Department of Energy...Using the simulations to study dissolved oxygen gave the researchers guidance on how much concentrations may have varied naturally in the past. With this information, they could determine when ocean deoxygenation due to climate change is likely to become more severe than at any point in the modeled historic range.

    Note to readers of research papers: phrases such as "relied on", "gave the researchers guidance", and "is likely to become" are all code words for "we don't have any real data."

    Let us know when you do. Otherwise, file this report in the fiction section.

  22. Garbag by Alomex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Climate change is real, and something needs to be done about it, but this chicken little "the sky is falling" articles hurt rather than help the cause. They give specific worst case targets that are unlikely to be true just to get a headline. These can then be used by climate deniers to minimize the real impacts of climate change.