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John Kasich To Drop Out, Leaving Trump as GOP Nominee (vox.com)

Multiple outlets are reporting that Ohio Gov. John Kasich plans to suspend his run to be the GOP presidential nominee. The move, if happens, would make Donald Trump the presumptive nominee for the GOP. The report comes hours after Kasich abruptly cancelled a planned press conference (could be paywalled; alternate source) in Virginia on Wednesday morning. LA Times reports: Kasich, the Ohio governor, had pledged to continue campaigning as a Trump alternative who could deny the billionaire needed delegates. But on Wednesday, he canceled a news conference in Washington and planned an announcement for later in the day in Columbus, Ohio, to drop out. Vox has more details.

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  1. Simple question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    How is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?

    1. Re:Simple question by pr0t0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So...the condition is not satisfied then.

      It's definitely not news for nerds. Is it stuff that matters? I think that depends up on whether or not you believe there is any real difference in the candidates. Politics is theater for the masses. Its meant to keep us divided over petty, stupid, and unimportant things; while everything that is not accurately described that way is settled behind closed doors. As a registered voter for the last 25+ years, and someone who makes less than $5 million/year, I have yet to see a presidential nominee I felt really represented my interests.

      So it definitely doesn't matter to me anyway. Of course, you may feel differently. But to that point I would argue that many, many things do matter. Slashdot cannot be the forum for all of them. I think Slashdot's greatest strength is the community of people working in the fields of science and technology that bring their opinion to bear on those same subjects.

      Every asshole on the planet has an opinion on politics (including this asshole), and they are generally not working in the field of politics, so that opinion actually means very little.

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    2. Re:Simple question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "democrats and republicans are the same" answer has always been stupid, as they are so many issues where they are very different. But now we're talking about Trump vs a democrat, if you can't see the difference, I suggest returning your brain, because it is defective.
      The us election not only matters for everyone in the us, it also matter for the whole world. And if Trump is elected, the world is fucked.

  2. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by DaHat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Provided the DoJ doesn't indict her for mishandling of classified information.

    *fingers crossed*

  3. Kasich dropping out meant nothing... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cruz dropping out handed the race over.

    Kasich could have won every delegate from Tuesday night to convention time and still would not have caught Trump. How he could have gotten any at all much less all of them, when he has no cash and won only his home state is a great question. Other than symbolically not causing a ruckus up to the convention, it means nothing to the race.

    1. Re:Kasich dropping out meant nothing... by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kasich could have won every delegate from Tuesday night to convention time and still would not have caught Trump.

      If that unlikely event happened, then there would have been a contested convention. So there would have been a chance of Trump not becoming nominee. Now, with all candidates gone, only Trump remains to get the remaining delegates.

  4. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Provided the DoJ doesn't indict her for mishandling of classified information.

    Don't count on it. These manufactured scandals never go anywhere.

  5. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope they do so that Bernie Sanders would run against Trump. Both are party outsiders and I'd be more satisfied with either of them than anyone else either party put forward this election cycle.

    But they're not going to do anything to Hillary. Not because she's not guilty or there isn't a case to be made, but because having that on her gives them control over her. She's just a puppet for the wealthy and powerful.

  6. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree with don't count on it.

    But the only person who "manufactured" this scandal is one Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    The reason that she isn't being indicted isn't because she's some innocent little angel, but because she has the leverage over the current administration and the so-called "independent" attorney general has given her a get-out-of-indictment free card.

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  7. Scary shit by Martin+S. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ANATOMY OF FASCISM - Robert Paxton

    "Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."

    The Five Stages of Fascism
    1) Intellectual exploration, where disillusionment with popular democracy manifests itself in discussions of lost national vigor
    2) Rooting, where a fascist movement, aided by political deadlock and polarization, becomes a player on the national stage
    3) Arrival to power, where conservatives seeking to control rising leftist opposition invite the movement to share power
    4) Exercise of power, where the movement and its charismatic leader control the state in balance with state institutions such as the police and traditional elites such as the clergy and business magnates.
    5) Radicalization or entropy, where the state either becomes increasingly radical, as did Nazi Germany, or slips into traditional authoritarian rule, as did Fascist Italy.

    You can read the full thing here

    https://libcom.org/files/Rober...

    1. Re:Scary shit by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Statism. It isn't good be it from the Right or the Left. The end result is the same. The ONLY solution is to realize that Statism is the problem, not the solution.

      Liberty is Messy. Statism is nice and clean, just as long as you comply with its regulations.

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    2. Re: Scary shit by shilly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You say many dumb things, but this really takes the biscuit: "Just because Trump wants to revive some of the American pride, that doesn't make him a facist"

      No-one thinks that what makes Trump a fascist is that he wants to revive some of the American pride. They think he's a fascist because he wants to do to Muslims and Mexicans what Austrian fascists did to my grandma: put her on a national register because of her religion and deport her from the country as undesirable. And plenty of fuckwits thought that was just great when it happened in the 30s and plenty more fuckwits think it's great Trump is suggesting doing it now.

  8. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hillary is a terrible candidate. She just lost another primary state. Bernie supporters hate her and after the DNC finally squeezes him out they'll hate her even more.

    The thing about Trump is that your conventional wisdom doesn't work. He fights. He uses the ammo provided and makes more. And there is a huge supply of ammo to use against Hillary. By November "Crooked Hillary" will be a meme your children will know. Every turd the Clintons have ever made will be top-of-mind with every voter in the US. Bernie tried to expose her over the transcripts. Trump will pummel her daily for that, the email crimes, Bengazi, cattlegate, NAFTA, gender pandering, her establishment donors, the Clinton Foundation foreign slush fund and every other slimy aspect of her history and campaign, and he will make it stick. This is the guy that made Obama cough up a birth certificate.

    Every coughing fit punctuated campaign event Clinton choreographs will see Trump fill three stadiums with rabid supporters. By November Hillary will be a quivering mass of regret.

  9. Re:An interesting election cycle is coming... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump has never served in the armed forces or in any sort of elected capacity. He seems to think government consists of two people at a table dealmaking all day. He'll be very surprised how the world works if elected (that last part made me shudder)

    Hillary was also a Senator. She was not just appointed, but ran an election and ran an office.

    Coming from the Rust Belt, it would be great to see factories running 3 shifts of thousands of workers again, but I doubt that can be pulled off.

    Even China is shrinking their manufacturing worker rolls. Anyone that wants to use manufacturing jobs as a step to a great economy is delusional at this point. The jobs were great, and it's a great idea, if the world would just comply and shift back to the 1970s. You're seeking a rise to greatness for buggy whips and horse collar manufacturers.

  10. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, how did that impeachment of Bill Clinton for lying to congress about a blow job work out for you, anti-Clinton partisans?

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  11. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by GlennC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    government officials form both parties have used private email addresses

    But have they deliberately and willfully had markings stripped from classified information and transmitted it over public networks?

    there is no upside for either side to drag this into court

    So you're saying it's only illegal if you or I do it, but if you're high enough in the government it suddenly becomes legal?

    Good to know.

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  12. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bernie supporters don't "hate" Hillary, we just think Bernie is a better choice. I voted for Bernie in our state caucus (Hillary and Bernie supporters got along very well there, thank you), now I will vote for Hillary in the general election because I have accepted the inevitable -- barring a death before November 8th, it is going to be Clinton vs. Trump in the general election and Clinton is going to win. The only surprise now will be who they choose as running mates. And the real payoff will be when Democrats regain the majority in the Senate, and Hillary submits her far-left nominee for the SCOTUS. I'd just love to see the look on McConnell's face when that happens!

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  13. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by CauseBy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    At best Trump would be an embarrassment like Berlesconi. At worst he'd make history the way Caesar did: by killing a great democracy and remaking it in his tyrannical image.

    Clinton isn't a "globalist" except insofar as she lives in 2016 on planet earth which is a globally connected unit.

  14. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * Tries to give classified data to someone they shouldn't

    Her lawyer had a copy of the emails on a thumb drive, and I don't seem to recall hearing news that he was cleared to have access to the emails.

    And this is all beside the point that most of the "classified data" was classified after it went through her server, or was classified by the State Dept so the Secretary of State can tell anyone she wants.

    It continues to amaze me that people keep repeating this easily proven false talking point. The date/time something is stamped 'classified' is irrelevant! Plenty of content was 'born' classified or so obvious that it was regardless of marking. Should we also ignore her asking a subordinate to strip the classified header from a document for sending?

    There were things so sensitive in her email that the DoJ Inspector General investigating initially lacked a high enough clearance to read some of the content.

  15. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by mrchaotica · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The trouble with Hillary (as opposed to Sanders) is that normal people shouldn't want her to get her agenda done, because her agenda is "fuck over the general public in favor of the political establishment and Wall Street," with a few scraps of liberalism thrown in to stop most idiots from noticing. (In other words, exactly the same agenda as most of the non-Trump GOP candidates, except their scraps are conservative.)

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  16. Re:So, the last sane GOP candidate has left the ro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Kasich was the least insane of the GOP candidates. But insane just the same.
    You really have a problem when a political party cannot produce one, just one viable candidate.

  17. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bernie supporters don't "hate" Hillary, we just think Bernie is a better choice.

    Some don't, but others do. As someone who supports Sanders because of the anti-Wall-Street, anti-corruption, and anti-DC-establishment facets of his platform, Hillary has nothing to offer me (except in cases where she's flip-flopped in response to Sanders, such as for the TPP -- but I don't believe for a second that she'll remain opposed to the TPP after the election).

    I don't think I could vote for Trump, but going for Jill Stein (or maybe even the Libertarian candidate), or writing in Sanders, is a distinct possibility.

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  18. The wise words of Harry S. Truman by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "He'll sit here, and he'll say, 'Do this! Do that!' And nothing will happen. Poor Donald - it won't be a bit like his corporation. He'll find it very frustrating."

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  19. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's hard to keep taking these claims seriously when panel after panel of people who REALLY want to hang Hillary for the slightest infraction can't find a single thing to even complain about.

    I have a lot of problems with the Clintons, but the constant witch hunt is just crazy.

  20. what's worse by steak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    not voting for trump and getting hillary, or voting for trump and getting trump?

  21. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In addition, government officials form both parties have used private email addresses as well

    There is no comparison. Nobody at her level of authority (fourth in line to the presidency, the nation's top diplomat, someone who handled highly classified material as a regular part of her job) has previously completely skipped using secure email services for official business, electing instead to handle ALL of her official email through a personal account served up on a computer in her residential home. Really, try to find another example of that. Then take into account the fact that inspectors general from multiple intelligence agencies have said that she trafficked in classified (even way-above-top-secret) material on her unsecured home computer ... and never turned over ANY of it as she left office, as required to. And when hounded by FOIA requests and subpoenas - which she dragged out for YEARS - she deleted tens of thousands of those messages before grudgingly handing over some of it as printed-out hardcopies stripped of all header information.

    Cite another top government official who has even approached that level of deliberately hiding ALL OF THEIR OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE from scrutiny.

    there is no upside for either side to drag this into court.

    Sure there is. People who worked under her were subject to losing their careers and even their liberty for doing FAR less than she did. The "upside" to indicting her is to demonstrate that despite the long history of her and her husband's abuses of power, she's not above the law.

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  22. Agree - and I don't know how they get out of this. by JMZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed. But also entirely predictable - look at how things have turned out for recent, more typical GOP candidates. McCain and Romney were exactly the sorts of candidates we might expect the GOP to field, and they ended up not only losing, but being demonized by their own party. If you were the a reasonable, conservative leaning guy with some relevant experience - the next McCain or Romney - why would you step up right now? 2/3rds of your own party hates you because you won't accept all of their conservative purity vows - and you're still too far right to have any hope in a general.

    So of course they aren't getting good candidates.

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  23. Re:An interesting election cycle is coming... by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nah, Trump will pivot towards the center so fast his hair will leave an afterimage, like the Picard Maneuver. Not only will nobody care (because the cult of personality has taken over at this point), even if they did care, what are they gonna do -- vote for Hillary instead?!

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  24. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hillary is a terrible candidate. She just lost another primary state. Bernie supporters hate her and after the DNC finally squeezes him out they'll hate her even more.

    The thing about Trump is that your conventional wisdom doesn't work. He fights. He uses the ammo provided and makes more. And there is a huge supply of ammo to use against Hillary. By November "Crooked Hillary" will be a meme your children will know. Every turd the Clintons have ever made will be top-of-mind with every voter in the US. Bernie tried to expose her over the transcripts. Trump will pummel her daily for that, the email crimes, Bengazi, cattlegate, NAFTA, gender pandering, her establishment donors, the Clinton Foundation foreign slush fund and every other slimy aspect of her history and campaign, and he will make it stick. This is the guy that made Obama cough up a birth certificate.

    Every coughing fit punctuated campaign event Clinton choreographs will see Trump fill three stadiums with rabid supporters. By November Hillary will be a quivering mass of regret.

    The thing is that Trump needs more than "three stadiums" worth of supporters, he needs half the electorate.

    Trump was invulnerable to primary attacks for the same reason as Sanders, he represented the base.

    Clinton couldn't attack Sanders on policy because she'd have to attack from the right, that's one of the reasons why Sanders sailed through the primary so unscathed.

    Trump had the same benefit. While he differed on policy the Republican party is built on identity more than policy. Republican's could attack Trump where he was vulnerable because that would involve making arguments in favour of equality and against crony capitalism, attacks that come from the left.

    Come to the general election and the Democrats are capable of hitting Trump where it hurts, it won't hurt his base, but he's going to have a lot of trouble with everyone else.

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  25. Re:And the election was handed to Hillary Clinton by kqs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Her lawyer had a copy of the emails on a thumb drive, and I don't seem to recall hearing news that he was cleared to have access to the emails.

    If I understand you correctly, the most clearly illegal thing she did was to give a backup copy of stuff to her lawyer. My god, she's worse than Aldrich Ames and Benedict Arnold combined!!!!!!!

    This would be why non-idealogues don't take this case seriously. People who intentionally leak the names of current spies to enemy countries are traitors and should be heavily punished. People who give a thumb drive full of 2 year old schedules of no-longer-secret diplomatic trips to their lawyer should probably not be treated the same way.

    It continues to amaze me that people keep repeating this easily proven false talking point. The date/time something is stamped 'classified' is irrelevant!

    So by your logic, Obama can decide that something Trump tweeted last week is classified, so clearly Trump should be put in jail. Sigh.

    There are so many valid reasons to dislike Hillary; why do you have to make shit up to hate her? I rather dislike Paul Ryan, but to convince you that he is bad I don't concoct elaborate treason fantasies. I may point out the elaborate fantasies he puts into his budgets, but I don't claim he is secretly trying to destroy America.

  26. Plurality voting got us here, Condorcet would fix by jensend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've known since at least the 1700s that first-past-the-post plurality voting is a totally broken system. It's irresponsible to conduct any election with more than two alternatives in this fashion.

    In many places, especially early in the election cycle, Trump would have lost any single head-to-head matchup. But his opponents were always split, and plurality voting is tremendously vulnerable to this kind of problem.

    Process matters. If our elections were conducted using a Condorcet method like Ranked Pairs, Maximum Majority, or Schulze, we would have had less irrationality and extremism from both parties throughout the years, and the existing parties would not have become so entrenched.

    Here's a popular-audience explanation by a couple of Nobel winners.

  27. Donald Trump is going to crush Hilary by meadow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Donald Trump is going to crush Crooked Hilary. Beyond the criminal conduct related to State Dept. e-mails, she has such a record of corruption, accepting bribes from the banking industry, multinational corporations, war profiteers, foreign governments like Saudi Arabia, etc.. She is about as disgusting, gross,and corrupt as possibly imaginable. She does nothing but lie methodically every time she speaks. There is not an honest bone in her body.

    This race is about truth vs. the oligarchy and its lies. Donald Trump is a revolution the likes of which has not happened in American politics for over a century.

    1. Re:Donald Trump is going to crush Hilary by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haven't you noticed that that's what has been said all along, from the start of his campaign over nine months ago? There has been a consistent chorus of experts, pundits, commentators, etc. saying over and over that his campaign was going to collapse.

      The party collapsed around him. Donald Trump is like a polar bear on an ice floe that's been set adrift.

      Look man, you want the truth? Donald won't be president. I don't really have anything against him. He's a little bit like an uncle of mine. A sweet guy with some issues, but always entertaining at Thanksgiving. Wears a little too much cologne, jewelry and dates a Russian girl the same age as his daughter. I dig the whole scene, you know? Calls black people "schvoogies" and always has an extra cuban cigar for me. I was 40 before he stopped slipping me a C-note when he saw me, "to take out my girl someplace nice" (even though I'd been married for years). Moved to Las Vegas and is now working on his short game and a case of skin cancer.

      But Donald Trump won't be president. Forget what's been said. And the only ones who have been predicting Trump's demise have been other Republicans, and they've never really been the brightest bulbs. They're the same people who predicted Romney would win in a landslide. Democrats have been expecting Trump to win all along, because that's how bad the GOP has become. No Democrat or Leftist is surprised that the GOP voters rejected constitutional conservatism and voted for the reality TV guy. You look like a big man when everyone around you has fallen, you know?

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  28. Re:An interesting election cycle is coming... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The fact that you think the average person is being raped by taxes is just hyperbole.

    Taxes I pay on my 50K salary. Income(Fed/State), Sales (7.5%), Vehicle, Property, Social Security, Misc Fees/taxes on everything from Hotels to phones to electricity to ...

    I've added them all up, and it amounts to over 35% ($16,000/yr) of what I am actually paid for my work. Which I call "rape" of the American Worker. Over 1/3 of all my income, gone to government. Most of which I cannot avoid unless I go live off Grid (which is against the law in some places). And I am not even in the highest tax bracket, just the one that can't afford to dodge taxes legally (regressive). If people actually KNEW what they actually paid in actual taxes, fees and whatever they would revolt. But Bernie (and Clinton) want you to pay more.

    And yes, you can sort of try to justify each of the taxes all you want, but when you add all them up, you can't justify the total tax rate.

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