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Star Wars Buttons And Lights You May Have Missed (vice.com)

tedlistens writes: At Motherboard, Alex Pasternack writes: "Star Wars is set in a world of wildly advanced technology. But take a good look at the machinery of Star Wars, and you may be surprised to see how wonderfully analog it all is -- buttons! levers! vector graphics! Yes, there are hyperdrives and lightsabers and hologram Princess Leias and droids that know six million languages (including the language of moisture vaporators, along with various etiquette and diplomatic protocols useful across the galaxy). But it's also a world where sometimes you have to hit a robot to get it to work, like an old dashboard radio, a place where the supercomputers are operated manually and where buttons and control panels and screens seem far removed from our own galaxy: tactile, lo-fi, and elegantly simple." May the 4th be with you.

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  1. CGI was dumbed-down intentionally by dottrap · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My graphics prof told us that the people hired to do the graphics for Star Wars were instructed to make it look more primitive. The technology already existed to do filled colored polygons and deal with pop-up and so forth. But when Lucas or whoever saw their first pass, they said it looked too good. So for example, in the trench run briefing, you see that they went to green wireframes with massive pop-up problems where big chunks just suddenly appear.

    1. Re:CGI was dumbed-down intentionally by necro81 · · Score: 2

      The contrast that I find most interesting is to look at the Death Star attack briefings from EpIV, then look at VI. It's the same rebels, same epoch, and yet the holographic display Ackbar references looks awesome compared to the crude dot matrix and vector graphics seen on Yavin. It's a substantial change in the Star Wars universe brought about by technological advances here on our own world.

      One can also look at the appearance of technology in the original Star Trek and compare it to The Next Generation. Sure, they take place about 100 years apart, but the appearance of technology in the ToS is a reflection of what was available to the producers of that show in the 1960s, not necessarily what they realistically thought would be available in the 23rd century. Even more interesting is to look at the appearance of technology in the JJ Abrams reboots, and contrast that to ToS. If you can see past the lens flare, that is.

    2. Re:CGI was dumbed-down intentionally by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Even Jedi can't stop the Win 10 upgrade.

      or if you prefer ...

      Fucking systemd!

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  2. The Spice Must Flow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's low-fi because Dune was lo-fi. As "The Secret History of Star Wars" reveals, the original treatment even included "spice", which became "the force". The SW universe has Tatooine ("totally not the desert planet Arrakis of the Dune series." Dune had a reason for their analog high tech: The Butlerian Jihad forbade machines which could think, and destroyed all instances of such tech. In the Star Wars universe we scratch our heads and wonder why the low-fi... Well, now you know, it was a wonderful aesthetic borrowed from Dune and is thus otherwise inexplicable.

    1. Re:The Spice Must Flow! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dune: kid who develops super-powers turns out to be the grandson of the bad guy.
      Star Wars: kid who develops super-powers turns out to be the son of the bad guy.

      Anyway, Star Wars was made in 1977. That's why there are buttons all over the place. Even the glossy, utopian, everything's-perfect sci-fi of the 70s had buttons.

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    2. Re:The Spice Must Flow! by ravenshrike · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Star Wars The Prequels: kid who develops superpowers turns out to be the bad guy.
      Star Wars, EP VII+: kid who develops superpower turns out to be possessed by the previously bad but now good again guy while the bad guy is influenced by the previously bad guy's master's ghost pretending to speak to him through his melted helmet*.

      Does anyone know why a wood fire melted the most technologically advanced suit of power armor in the universe?

    3. Re:The Spice Must Flow! by ultranova · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does anyone know why a wood fire melted the most technologically advanced suit of power armor in the universe?

      Because it was built by the same military contractors who made the Death Stars?

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  3. Look sir, droids! by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 2

    I love the scene where a bearing has fallen off one of the droids and it didn't incapacitate them. The logical result should have been R2D2 spinning in circles.

    1. Re:Look sir, droids! by Solandri · · Score: 2

      You're thinking like a software programmer. Hardware engineers don't have the luxury of rebooting to try again or restoring from a backup, so they try to avoid single points of failure - they build redundancy into the system. That's why the Hubble Space Telescope has 6 gyors (only needs 3 to function). And why the Kepler spacecraft had 4 reaction wheels - so the thing could keep operating even if one wheel failed. (Unfortunately two failed, which forced a kludge fix using two reaction wheels and thrusters.)

      Your car is built similarly. It has four wheels so it won't go wildly out of control if it loses one wheel. It has three independent braking systems (the pedal controls hydraulic brakes, but switches to a mechanical linkage of you press down really hard, and the parking brake is usually connected via cables). So logically, an autonomous robot whose functionality completely depends on self propulsion should continue to work even after a seemingly-crucial part falls off.

  4. Tactile is right by PIC16F628 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is tactile interface using buttons and levers bad? - is it just because a touch screen is so fashionable currently? Touchscreens serve for some use cases - Emulating buttons in a screen instead of real buttons is like a human living his life (outside the screen) with only one finger . We have so many degrees of control and feedback available in our hands, legs and we should use them effectively to interact with devices. An example is that of a car. This hand-eye-leg combined interface is what creates the feeling of 'oneness' with the machine - like how many of us feel that the car has become our extension - we are in full control.
    Touchscreen as the sole interface is a short term aberration and I think soon the industry start bringing back tactile (and not just limited to pressing buttons - but also to levers & knobs).

  5. Re:may the fuck off by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fourth of May is "official" Star Wars day.

    Please throw your geek card into one of the recycling chutes provided before jumping down a reactor shaft.

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  6. Ermaghad no waayys by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Star Wars Buttons And Lights You May Have Missed

    Oh my god, you're right, I totally missed the fact that Star Wars is set in a grubby, dirty universe with clunky robots and thinks that fall apart! I mean, it was so subtle I never even saw it. Mind. Blown.

    Sheesh.

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  7. Design by cobbling together by Misagon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many of the props and sets in Star Wars (1977) were not meticulously designed like modern blockbusters. This was considered a low-budget movie.
    Lots of props and set details were therefore literally built from junk if only to save money. A lot of it was airplane scrap, in fact. The prop makers also had a manufacturer of high-end record players next door from which they got lots of small parts with minor defects.

    As an extreme example there is Obi-Wan's lightsaber: it was built from an 1940's airplane engine, a WWI rifle grenade, a 1970's calculator, a WWII machine gun, a 1930's camera flash and a 1970's faucet knob.
    One of my hobbies is building replicas of props from movies, and the Star Wars movie in particular. For me it is great that there are real-parts that I could chase down to build something exactly like in the movies. However, it does sometimes get a bit expensive and there have been clashes with for instance, collectors of vintage cameras.

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    1. Re:Design by cobbling together by Longjmp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As an extreme example there is Obi-Wan's lightsaber: it was built from an 1940's airplane engine, a WWI rifle grenade, a 1970's calculator, a WWII machine gun, a 1930's camera flash and a 1970's faucet knob.

      That's way to sophisticated ;)
      In the 1960's German TV series "Raumpatrouille Orion" (Space Patrol Orion) they used things like faucets and electric irons as controls, easily identifiable as such in the films.

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    2. Re:Design by cobbling together by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      As an extreme example there is Obi-Wan's lightsaber: it was built from an 1940's airplane engine, a WWI rifle grenade, a 1970's calculator, a WWII machine gun, a 1930's camera flash and a 1970's faucet knob. One of my hobbies is building replicas of props from movies, and the Star Wars movie in particular. For me it is great that there are real-parts that I could chase down to build something exactly like in the movies. However, it does sometimes get a bit expensive and there have been clashes with for instance, collectors of vintage cameras.

      As a gun collector a little part of me dies every time I think about the fact that people have taken Mauser C96s, Sterling smgs, or, worst of all, MG-34s or STG-44s and turned them into replica Star Wars props.....

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    3. Re:Design by cobbling together by PvtVoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Some of Dr. McCoy's surgical instruments in Star Trek were salt and pepper shakers. I have a set.

  8. Designers of 1970s movies by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Designers of 1970s movies used examples from 1970s.
    How is this news? Take a look at the Deathstar's control panel. It is right from a 1970s era power station control room, a cutting edge one at that.

  9. And by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aliens has everything from green-phosphor, text-only teletype-speed consoles to yellow-screen laptops, to low-res monochrome blocky graphics, to huge "TVs" full of monochrome photographs and green text. .

    Even for the sentry guns, the remote piloting via a huge satellite uplink, the Earth-based personnel records, the hypersleep computers, the blueprint machines, the health read-outs, the motion sensors, etc. etc. etc.

    In a movie, the tech shown is what feels / looks good, not what would actually be used (e.g. nmap in The Matrix Reloaded), and even back in the day teletype terminals were long dead, but the ddddrrrtttttt of text appearing one letter at a time is much more cinematic:

    File Closed.

  10. Analog computer interface by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At first glance, when I thought about the analog computer interface you see R2D2 using all the time, I thought "how stupid - a mechanical interface between computers". But then, the more I thought about it, it actually made sense. It's clear it is a rotational interface, like turning a dial. Well, what precision can an object be rotated to? How man "positions" can it be in? It's infinite. Pi never ends or repeats, so you can go into infinite precision as to the rotational position of a knob. They are only limited by their technological ability to detect rotational position (which could be done through an electromagnetic field). So it is conceivable they have the ability to detect the rotational position with some incredible precision, thus a single rotation of the knob, by stopping at some specific position, could transfer a vast amount of information. The interface can of course be 2-way. Sometimes R2 is rotating the interface, and sometimes the host machine is rotating. Anyway, I thought that was interesting.

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  11. Worried about Cylons by chiefcrash · · Score: 2

    You'll see things here that look odd or even antiquated to modern eyes. Phones with cords, awkward manual valves, computers that, well, barely deserve the name...

    It was all designed to operate against an enemy who could infiltrate and disrupt even the most basic computer systems.

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  12. Re:Fifth of podkra by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

    I think you need to give your keyboard a whack too.

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  13. Grass Valley Video Switcher by tekrat · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Death Star's "death beam" control panel was a Grass Valley Model 100 Video Switcher, and I know that only because I used one of those at that time.

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