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Microsoft Hits $1 Trillion In Total Cumulative Revenue: Reports (mspoweruser.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft has hit a major milestone: $1 trillion in all-time cumulative revenue. The finding was first spotted by Jeff Reifman, a tech consultant. According to him, Microsoft hit the milestone in its last quarter. Interestingly, Apple also hit $1 trillion in revenue in 2015. As for profits, Microsoft currently leads the chart with $265.2 billion with Apple trying to close in with $261.6 billion. "You might expect a company to announce a milestone like this and bask in this incredible accomplishment -- but not Microsoft," writes Reifman. "It chose to stay silent as it faces increased public scrutiny for holding $108.3 billion in earnings offshore (an incredible 41% of its all-time profit) and its history of tax dodging at home in Washington State."Microsoft blog MSPowerUser says it independently verified the numbers. According to which, Microsoft's total cumulative revenue as of last earnings call is 1001.569 billion.

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  1. Meh... by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . "It chose to stay silent as it faces increased public scrutiny for holding $108.3 billion in earnings offshore (an incredible 41% of its all-time profit) and its history of tax dodging at home in Washington State."

    Really, that a globally present company might have roughly 41% of it's revenue originate outside of the USA is 'incredible'? I'm surprised it's not higher!

    Also, why not attack the horrible state of our laws that this happens in the first place? Does anybody here seriously pay any more taxes than they have to? Tax avoidance isn't the same as evasion - the prior is the art of using legal loopholes, the latter is illegal.

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    1. Re:Meh... by KGIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What makes you think that Somalians aren't taxed? I suppose you're one of those that thinks they don't have any government?

      WTF do you think a WARLORD is? Do you really think think they don't tax the populace? Do you even try thinking for yourself or do you just parrot stuff? Seriously, go visit Somalia. They're probably the most over-governed and over-burdened by governance country on the planet. Just because you don't recognize them as legitimate does not mean they're not government. Just because you're unaware of what is taken from the civilians doesn't mean it's not a tax.

      Seriously, though - go visit. You'll learn something. You'll also find that people are pretty much people - no matter where you go.

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  2. Re:Microsoft is dieing by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember when people said that MS missed the Internet and was going to die. Good times.

    FTFY - Damn kids don't know their history anymore. Now get off my lawn!

  3. Tax Dodging is relative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Tax Dodge" is all relative. The US Tax code requires any money earned overseas and brought to the US gets an additional tax on it on top of the corporate income tax paid in other countries. This is exactly why corporations leave their profits overseas, because it's effectively double taxed.

    Here's an example. Irish corporate tax rate is around 10% and in the US it's about 35%. USA Corp earns $1,000 in profit in sales in the US, they pay $350 to the IRS and keep $650 as profits to either reinvest in the company by building new capabilities in the US, or distribute as a dividend to shareholders etc. Now USA Corp also earns $1,000 profit in Ireland. They pay $100 to the Irish government, but they're only allowed to deduct what they pay to the Irish government from their profits, so they still get charged 35% on the $900. So they pay the Irish government $100 and now have a choice, either leave the money in an Irish bank account or invest in their efforts in Ireland, or bring it to the US but in so doing they pay 35% on $900 (they can deduct the $100 they paid to Ireland), or $315, leaving them with $585 in profits.

    Leaving them with the best choice they can possible make: leave the money in a bank account in Ireland. THey can still recognize the cash as an asset on their balance sheet, but if they bring it to the US their balance sheet value will drop significantly, in fact by 35% of cash on hand, hurting their shareholders.

    It's that $315 that people say they are tax dodging, but the reality is that money wasn't earned in the US and isn't US profits. They've paid income tax on the profits in the country where those profits were earned, it's done. There's no incentive or way that the US can force them to do anything because that money is under the jurisdiction of another sovereign nation and those nations will not play ball with the US; if that money leaves those bank accounts in other countries it will be a significant blow to those countries' banking sectors.

    What the government should do is declare a tax holiday, not 0% but 5%. There's $2.1 trillion overseas and it's not coming back until the cost of bringing that money here goes down; they want to bring it here because investing in the US by building facilities and sales here is far more productive than other countries. If they make it 5%, the government would get around $105B in tax revenue and the rest of the money would be here in the US for companies to use either distributing as dividends or building new operations and product lines. But no politician will agree to this because it'll be seen as a "tax cut for the wealthy" and every politician who pursues this agenda will be hammered in the next election.

    So essentially we have a mexican standoff; the companies have no reason to bring the money here, the politicians won't risk their careers by making it palatable to do so, and the result is a bunch of rhetoric and BS and nothing happens and the only people who benefit are foreign banks.

    1. Re:Tax Dodging is relative by vux984 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's an example. Irish corporate tax rate is around 10% and in the US it's about 35% [...]

      That's a good start... but its incomplete:

      USA Corp earns $1,000 in profit in sales in the US, they pay $350 to the IRS and keep $650 as profits to either reinvest in the company by building new capabilities in the US, or distribute as a dividend to shareholders etc

      Well you forgot about the part where technically the Corp in Ireland owns the company Trademark and charges USA corp $500 to license it. So USA corp only earns $500 in profits locally. They pay $175 in taxes and keep the balance to reinvest locally etc.

      Now USA Corp also earns $1,000 profit in Ireland.

      Well $500 in Ireland. The other $500 was actually earned in the USA but was transferred to Ireland in the aforementioned licensing fees. So only $500 was in Ireland... well actually no ... $495 of that was actually earned in Canada, UK, France, Germany, etc, and similarly transferred to Ireland.

      Only $5 was earned from activities actually in Ireland though, and yes they paid their fair $0.50 share for that.

      But the other $99.50 in taxes corp in ireland was all basically a tax dodge of much higher taxes in many other countries.

      So how does USA corp get the money into the USA from Ireland, since if it transfers it, it pays taxes!!? Well.. it could borrow it from Irish corp? Then its just a loan; the money comes into the US, and a debt to ireland is added to the balance sheet. But since they're really borrowing it from themselves,... and that's just an example of one of the games they can play.

  4. Re:Microsoft is dieing by cmiller173 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember when MS said windows would be for consumer PC's and OS/2 would be for professional use? Good times!

  5. Re:Microsoft is dieing by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How's that Windows Phone thing workin' out for ya?

    How much does MS get paid for every Android phone sold?

  6. Re:What's interesting by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's what the exasperated Klingon said.

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  7. Re:Microsoft is dieing by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    How much does MS get paid for every Android phone sold?

    Depending on the features included, Microsoft makes from $5 to $15 per Android phone. They get about $2B per year from Android licensing fees.

  8. Re:Microsoft is dieing by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually quite awesome, so far the best mobile OS I have tried :D

    Everyone else says it sucks. This is from a while ago, but it's just as true now as it was then:

    I was speaking with my son the other night and he wants to replace his Galaxy S6.

    I said, "What about a Windows phone?" and then we both just laughed and laughed. It was like I'd told the funniest dad-joke ever.

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  9. Re:Not anytime soon by haruchai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even companies who caught the mobile revolution early at various points couldn't prosper.
    I remember when Nokia looked unstoppable, and later RIM / Blackberry.

    How the mighty have fallen.

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