Slashdot Mirror


Seattle Seventh Grader Wins National Math Bee (ap.org)

Edward Wan, a Seattle-based seventh grader has won the national math bee. Wan, who studies at Lakeside Middle School, beat 224 other middle school students nationwide to win the 2016 Raytheon Mathcounts National Competition. From an Associated Press report: Competition officials said in a news release the 13-year-old won the final round by answering the question, "What is the remainder when 999,999,999 is divided by 32?" Wan gave the correct answer of 31 In just under seven seconds.Deadspin reports about the live streaming of the event: Today's Mathcounts national championship for middle-school mathletes aired on ESPN3, and it was definitely the best live sports anyone could be watching at 10 a.m. on a Monday morning. We couldn't agree more.

106 comments

  1. Asian privilege by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's not faaaaaaaaaair!

    We need a safe space for kids who can't spell. Other than the comment threads at Salon.com, that is.

    1. Re:Asian privilege by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      We need a safe space for kids who can't spell.

      Seattle Seventh Grader Wins National Math Bee

      Please re-read the headline.

    2. Re:Asian privilege by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Or at least read the summary(RTFS?). When you get to the 999,999,999/13 part it's kind of hard to continue thinking it's a spelling bee.

    3. Re:Asian privilege by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We have that.

      It's called Twitter.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re: Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to get past teach the test idea that is big in Asia

    5. Re:Asian privilege by dywolf · · Score: 0, Troll

      You think you're being funny.
      All you're really being is racist.
      Or at least making a racist joke.
      And you don't even comprehend how or why it is.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    6. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      burma shave

    7. Re:Asian privilege by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When you get to the 999,999,999/13 part ...

      It is 999,999,999/32. The 13 is his age. The problem is not so hard. 1,000,000,000 is 10^9 = 2^9*5^9, and 32=2^5, so obviously 1,000,000,000 is evenly divisible by 32, so one less is going to have a remainder of 31. Duh.

      I don't know much about the Math Bee, but I coach kids for the Math Olympiad, and we do a lot of drills to break numbers down into prime factors, and rapidly compute powers of two. Solving a problem like this in seven seconds is impressive, but not uncommon for a kid that has been trained.

    8. Re:Asian privilege by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      You think you're being funny.
      All you're really being is racist.

      The funny thing is that he isn't even a competent racist. He has his stereotypes all mixed up: Indians win spelling bees (10 of the last 14), Chinese win math competitions. Since Edward is Chinese, it was silly to think this was a spelling bee.

    9. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go run back to your safe space. Don't forget your binky.

    10. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sick, demented, delusional old man. You can't even read anymore. Are you still going to cry over your 1960s space operas when you're dying and crapping your diapers in the hospice?

    11. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it rather interesting that among asians most of these math competitions are Chinese participation, while Koreans, Japanese...have considerably less representation.

      According to wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Asian_Americans, there are some 4 million Chinese in the US, but Koreans 1.5M, and Japanese almost 1M.

      Not counting the 3M Indians (asian in name only).

    12. Re:Asian privilege by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I find it rather interesting that among asians most of these math competitions are Chinese participation, while Koreans, Japanese...have considerably less representation.

      It is considerably harder for a Chinese citizen to emigrate to America, compared to South Koreans or Japanese. So the Chinese who work through the process and come here tend to be competitive, hard working, and well educated.

    13. Re:Asian privilege by quenda · · Score: 1

      I find it rather interesting that among asians most of these math competitions are Chinese participation, while Koreans, Japanese...have considerably less representation.

      Affluence. The Ashkenazi Jews have an even higher bell-curve, and greater numbers in the US. Like the Koreans and Japanese, todays parents grew up to comfortable to devote the necessary hours to win a childs maths/spelling bee. China still has countless millions in poverty, and the grandparents remember millions dying of starvation. That's a good motivator.

    14. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Affluence

      Except if anything it's the other way around.
      I'm not talking about China, the Chinese that are in the US are almost certainly more affluent than the other Asian groups on average.

      I'm wondering if there are "organic" factors rather than "functional" factors at play here (the nature versus nurture debate).

    15. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      math

      Just the one mathematic then, huh?

    16. Re:Asian privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Brit

  2. Slow day in sports by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Today's Mathcounts national championship for middle-school mathletes aired on ESPN3, and it was definitely the best live sports anyone could be watching at 10 a.m. on a Monday morning.

    Must have been a slow day for sports. Given that there's international sports, you should probably be able to find something interesting to watch at any time of the day. Maybe the Giro D'Italia shouldn't have had a rest day.

    --

    Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    1. Re:Slow day in sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we're NERDS! Nerds can't like SPORTS!!!! NERDS are LOSERS!!111!!!1one!!! Laugh at the nerds everyone! HAW HAW HAW!!!!

    2. Re:Slow day in sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ESPN3 is online-only.

      So many things can be "on" ESPN3 at any given time.

    3. Re:Slow day in sports by CycleFreak · · Score: 1

      Wow, a European cycling race that is NOT the Tour de France got a random mention in a /. comment.

      My life is complete.

      PS: The Giro can often be much more entertaining than the TdF.

  3. Not Math by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    Arithmetic. Americans seem unable to tell the difference (no pun intended).

    --
    Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
    1. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well since Arithmetic is a subset of Math, they were in fact practicing Math.

      Pedantry is usually unnecessary when discussing a middle school event, unless you're trying to shoehorn in an "Americans suck" joke.

    2. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it seems that nationalist pigs do not know the difference either.

    3. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially differential equations from Arabic!

      http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0508/Differential-equation-prompts-economist-s-removal-from-flight-video

      This man was guilty as charged. Consider this :

      He is an economist
      He is a mathematician
      He is Italian.

    4. Re:Not Math by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Arithmetic. Americans seem unable to tell the difference

      Nope. Three problems:

      (1) Arithmetic is a PART of mathematics.

      (2) Even if you want to insist it's not, the Mathcounts competition includes all sorts of stuff including basic geometry, basic algebra, probability, combinatorics, basic number theory, etc. NOT just arithmetic.

      (3) If you think this kid solved that problem by basic "arithmetic" like division in 7 seconds, you're crazy. It requires an understanding of basic divisibility theory (i.e., part of number theory) to see certain patterns. For example, most kids know that you can determined divisibility by 2 by looking at last digit (even or odd). Some might realize that you can determine divisibility by 4 by looking at last TWO digits.

      In this case, divisibility requires looking at last FIVE digits. (This requires generalizability of divisibility rules, usually something not taught directly to middle school kids.) Given that adding one produces a number with five zeroes at the end, that number would be divisible by 32, hence this number would have a remainder of 31.

      Frankly, I'm surprised it took kids at this level 7 seconds to jump in with such a simple problem.

    5. Re:Not Math by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      By the way, of course there are other simple ways of solving the problem (e.g., recognizing that 10^n is automatically divisible by 2^n, since 32=2^5, then any power of 10 greater than 10^5 is automatically divisible by 32) -- I was just referencing the general divisibility rules that I know kids in the Mathcounts stuff are usually taught.

    6. Re:Not Math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget: "He is using Arabic numerals."

    7. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this case, divisibility requires looking at last FIVE digits. (This requires generalizability of divisibility rules, usually something not taught directly to middle school kids.)

      Generalizability, no, but you can get there with the basic divisibility rules they do teach in middle school. Multiples of 100 are divisible by 4, multiples of 1,000 are divisible by 8. 32=8x4, so you just need a multiple of 100,000.

    8. Re:Not Math by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Generalizability, no, but you can get there with the basic divisibility rules they do teach in middle school. Multiples of 100 are divisible by 4, multiples of 1,000 are divisible by 8. 32=8x4, so you just need a multiple of 100,000.

      While that's true, I think it already requires one generalization that most middle-school kids don't realize, i.e., that you can effectively "multiply" the requirements for divisibility rules to obtain rules for higher numbers.

      (In middle school, some kids realize this about 6 -- which is usually taught to encompass the rules for 2 and for 3. A Mathcounts kid might also learn how to use this for divisibility by 12 or 15, etc. But I think it takes a little extra leap of logic to do what you did. Either way, the kid obviously had to take a leap beyond the "normal" use of middle-school divisibility rules.)

    9. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that's true, I think it already requires one generalization that most middle-school kids don't realize, i.e., that you can effectively "multiply" the requirements for divisibility rules to obtain rules for higher numbers.

      I can't speak for most middle school kids, I had a really good teacher who taught lessons that still stick decades later. It was actually those lessons that my mind went to first, later deriving the generalized form so it's there if I need it at some point in the future. But I think basic factoring should get you the rest of the way here, maybe mixed with some elementary school algebra. And a teacher who encourages you to find your own way to solve problems.

      Either way, the kid obviously had to take a leap beyond the "normal" use of middle-school divisibility rules.)

      Or he just assumed divisibility and skipped the proof. Never underestimate the ability of kids to get out of doing work.

    10. Re:Not Math by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Arithmetic. Americans seem unable to tell the difference (no pun intended).

      You must be American.

    11. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He clearly has some association with al-gebra, and was carrying what I can only assume were weapons of math instruction. Terrorist!

    12. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anon to preserve mod points.

      Well since Arithmetic is a subset of Math, they were in fact practicing Math.

      Pedantry is usually unnecessary when discussing a middle school event, unless you're trying to shoehorn in an "Americans suck" joke.

      Maths. 'Nuf Said

    13. Re:Not Math by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://grammarist.com/spelling...

      Perhaps you should keep saying it, since it seems the grammarians disagree with you.

      Oh, and keep tilting at those windmills, maybe some day you will win a battle...lol

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  4. Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the ability to do arithmetic quickly in ones head is not necessarily something that correlates highly with more general purpose mathematical ability (abstraction, logical proof, recursion, differential equations, etc.)

    I had a friend in school who was really good at arithmetic. He could multiply 4 digit numbers in his head. But he never got his head around trigonometry or calculus. Is he "good at math?"

    1. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an idiot savant... have you considered teaching your "friend" to play blackjack? He might turn out to be really good at card-counting, a la "Rainman".

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that MathCounts is for kids in grades 6-8, how much "abstraction, logical proof, recursion, differential equations, etc." would you expect to see?

      It's not designed to show off Wunderkinder. It's designed to get kids excited about math at an age when they're just beginning to discover their intellectual powers.

    3. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could imply he has learning disability and just wasn't taught those subjects correctly for his disability. Could also mean he's simply not interested in math. Could also mean he's just a gifted fuckup.

    4. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      These kids are definitely very good at abstraction and such. When you check the 4 minute clip, some questions are really about degrees and clocks etc.. so looks like they already have the trigonometry thing covered. By the time I actually understood what's asked, they already have the answer.

    5. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What about the ability to see the future?

      Competition officials said in a news release the 13-year-old won the final round by answering the question, "What is the remainder when 999,999,999 is divided by 32?" Wan gave the correct answer of 31 In just under seven seconds.

      I heard a clip on the radio this morning, and the kid gave the answer before the question was finished being asked. All the announcer managed to get off was "what is the remainder when nine-hundred, ninty-nine million, nine-hundred, ninty-nine thousand" before the kid blurted out "31". Now that is impressive, that the kid knew the answer was going to be 31 before he actually knew what the question was.

      Or he cheated. But since no one seems to be making a fuss about cheating, I guess I'm just missing something.

    6. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      When I competed in this in the early 90s, we had two brothers on our team that both finished top 10 on the individual portion.

      They then had a pyramid style competition to determine the individual winner. Our teammate was one of the last two standing. In the final, he buzzed in too early on multiple occasions (had to wait until they were done reading the question) and was DQ'd from answering that question. He knew the answer before the question was done. The other kid then had 30 seconds to work out it on his own, eventually getting it right.

      He also ended up teaching our high school physics class because our teacher was not qualified. Smartest person I've ever known, extremely socialable as well. Very humble too.

      --
      "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
    7. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      have you considered teaching your "friend" to play blackjack? He might turn out to be really good at card-counting, a la "Rainman".

      All the casinos now use multi-deck shoes. They will also reshuffle if you suddenly go from $2 bets to $1000. Card counting doesn't work anymore.

    8. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      I started taking a foreign language class last night, & the teacher had only gone over certain letters. She started to write a word & then erased it because we had not learned one of the letters, but from past experience (I know the entire alphabet & a handful of words), I figured out what the rest of the word was from just the first 2 letters.

      One obvious thing about 999,999,999 is that it is one less than 1 billion. So the most likely choices for divisor are those that are powers of 2 or 5. (3, 9, & 10 are trivial, & others are more tricky.) As for knowing it would be 32 rather than another power of 2 or 5: Powers of 5 are probably marginally more likely to be easier because they are emphasized more (or at least that was my experience in school). Too large or too small a power of 2 would be too easy. I would not necessarily have guessed 32 was the sweet spot (& hindsight is 20/20), but it is not impossible that someone would guess it right.

    9. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There might have been a study guide for the bee, and this might not be the first time they asked a question from the guide during the competition. If there's no penalty for making a wrong initial guess, you could blurt something out just for kicks. It's like hurling a basketball down the court right before the buzzer. There's nothing to lose.

    10. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a math degree and suck at numbers. To be honest I suck(ed) at most math too. Except some of the applied stuff.

    11. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Any number with a lot of zeros is going to divide by 2 a lot. Like "X0000000000000", because all those zeros will hold the remainder of the divisions of X. 32 is easily seen to be a power of 2. So all those divisions by 2 divide evenly into such a number. One less than the even division means the remainder will be one less than that division. So "31". I could not do it so fast the first time. But if you knew this or seen it before, all such questions would be rather easy. The same is true for IQ questions. The first time you see them is the only time I think they have meaning.

  5. And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Billy Bob Cradup?

    1. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Tyrone Johnson was too busy playing basketball to compete in the math bee... Billy Bob was busy doing meth. What ethic groups have we missed here?

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but Billy Bob won the MethCounts Bee.

    3. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Prakash Kumar Badalababoom.

      --
      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    4. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That one can actually spell.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  6. 10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "What is 10^10-1 mod 32?"
    We start by checking if we can divide 1^10 by 2, five times (as 2^5=32) : 5x10^5, 2.5x10^5, 1.25x10^5, 6.25x10^4 and 3.125x10^4. The answer is yes, thus 10^10 mod 32 = 0, and 10^10-1 mod 32 = 31.

    1. Re:10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question was 10^9-1 mod 32.

      Faster solution: 10^9 = 2^9*5^9, so 32 divides 10^9 and 10^9-1 mod 32 = 31.

    2. Re:10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's even easier than that. You can divide by 2^n evenly if something is a multiple of 10^n. Since n=5, 10^9 can be divided by 32 evenly, leaving you with a remainder of 31 when you subtract 1. Memorize enough simple rules and you can solve problems based around simple rules in mere seconds.

    3. Re:10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Checking? for positive integers x,y 10^x is divisible by all y10^9-1 % 2^8 = 31

      There are a number of multiplication and division tricks that work in specific situations, and this question seems to have been written specifically to trigger that trick. I'm a little surprised it took him 7 seconds, but not all of us are computer nerds that can recognize powers of 2 by smell.

    4. Re:10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is cheese

    5. Re:10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you slashdot, and the dead unicode-incompatible horse you dragged in on.

      for positive integers x,y 10^x is divisible by all y<=x 2^y. Therefore, 10^9-1 % 2^8 = 31

  7. Quick kid by TheEmptySet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maths is about understanding something the right way. And I'm guessing this kid did not take the seven seconds to do anything complicated. He just factored 32. i.e. 2^5. Then noticed that 999,999,999 + 1 = 1,000,000,000 = 10^10 = 2^10 * 5*10 which clearly contains a factor of 2^5. So 32 goes into 1,000,000,000. So the remainder after division of 999,999,999 by 32 is 31. I think you need about 2 seconds for that once you realise the correct way to think about it. So he took 5 seconds to work out what he should do. Quick kid!

    1. Re:Quick kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd bet that he either guessed that 1,000,000,000 is divisible by 32, or simply assumed that they wouldn't have asked such a question if the solution wasn't quick to come by (if approached the right way). Either way, well done.

    2. Re:Quick kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could have done it quicker with the calculator on my cell phone (actually, I did...just to verify the answer). Which just goes to show you, once you have the proper tools, the theory behind a question is irrelevant.

    3. Re:Quick kid by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He probably did what I have done at that age. 1,000,000,000 by 32 is 500,000,000 by 16 is 250,000,000 by 8 is 125,000,000 by 4 is 62,500,00 by 2 is ...doesn't matter but it is divisible without remainder. So one less means that 31 must be left.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Quick kid by dywolf · · Score: 1

      I believe its even easier than that, if you know the divisibility rules to determine divisibility quickly.
      and these math whiz's probably learn almost all of them.

      among them is "any multiple of 100k (so that it ends with x00,000) is divisible by 32".
      therefore 1B is divisible by 32.
      so 1 less should have a remainder of 31.

      --
      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    5. Re:Quick kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference between people who are good at math and people who win math competitions is the ability to make educated guesses on the fly. Once you see enough problems that look difficult but turn out to be trivial when viewed in the right context, you start looking for that context instead of trying to calculate the answer. They should throw in a few problems that look like they should have an easy solution but don't just to trip everyone up and force them to check their work. But that would make it boring. At least now we know where they find the sadistic bastards who write the problems in grad school textbooks that are impossible to solve until you reformat them in exactly the right completely non-obvious way.

    6. Re:Quick kid by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      The difference between people who are good at math and people who win math competitions is the ability to make educated guesses on the fly. Once you see enough problems that look difficult but turn out to be trivial when viewed in the right context, you start looking for that context instead of trying to calculate the answer.

      Uh, the whole point of Mathcounts is to encourage middle-school students to think on a more "abstract" level. They actively WANT you to do "tricks" to solve the problems. For this purpose, they aren't "tricks" nor for that matter was this answer likely an "educated guess." It's only a trivial problem if you know a little basic number theory and can see a pattern.

      ALL of the kids who had gotten to the final round of this competition would have realized that they did NOT want them to calculate the answer by direct division. This competition is not a calculation speed contest, it's about applying various mathematical tools to get to a quick answer.

      Seeing the pattern, by the way, IS still "calculating" the answer. It's just doing it more efficiently, because you have better knowledge and better abilities to generalize (which are important skills to do well in more advanced math).

    7. Re:Quick kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1024*1000000 is certainly divisible by 32. 24*1000000 is as well, therefore 1000000000 must be as well. Minus 1 to get 999999999 and the remainder therefore is 31.

      I don't know the divisibility rules, but came up with that in 3-5 seconds so the kid is definitely quick, and likely a lot better than me at other math problems.

      Kudos to him, we need more intelligent minds these days

    8. Re:Quick kid by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Did you really? The solution was not a decimal number. They want the integer reminder. Typical 12 sig digit accurate calculators will give something like 31.04 or 30.997 as the reminder, if you know how to get the reminder from the decimal fraction.

      --
      sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    9. Re:Quick kid by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Now, quick, what is the remainder of 999,999,999 divided by 31?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    10. Re:Quick kid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he was coached to prime factor, from what I've learned from the posts above yours that's what happens in this things.

  8. Go MathCounts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My son competed in MathCounts as an 8th grader a number of years ago. Made it to the nationals in Texas, where he finished in the middle of the pack.

    I went there with him, and even though I was just a parent (with an MS in math), I took it upon myself to assist the guy coaching our state's team. For two days, Coach and I escorted those four intelligent, lively, funny young people (one girl, three boys) to a barbecue, a science museum, and I forget where all else. The other kids' parents stayed at the hotel as well, but they all went their own way during the day. Can't understand why; we had a blast.

    That same son is currently enrolled in the Math PhD program at the University of Chicago.

    1. Re:Go MathCounts! by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      +1 emotional :)

    2. Re:Go MathCounts! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      My son's shagging a very cute native Peruvian. *sighs* The daughter finished med school so she's done well. The boy child? Well... He's not hurting anyone, there's that.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    3. Re:Go MathCounts! by dohzer · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!

  9. I'm shocked! by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, great way to dispel those stereotypes, Wan!!! Keep it up!

    --
    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  10. Not a sport by Webs+101 · · Score: 0

    It's not a sport. It's a competition. Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

    --

    "Even for Slashdot, that was a very obscure reference!" - Anonymous Coward

    1. Re:Not a sport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a sport. It's a competition. Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

      What about all those precious little flowers that get all sweaty and have heart palpitations when asked to add two numbers?

      Come on, maths is hardz when all you want to do is play with your cell phone all day.

    2. Re:Not a sport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that thought occurs on some sort of nonphysical plane of existence? Otherwise, his neural exertion surely counts as physical exertion.

    3. Re:Not a sport by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You tell my boss that his beloved golf is no real sport.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Not a sport by tsqr · · Score: 1

      It's not a sport. It's a competition. Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

      Areyou trying to make sport of him?

    5. Re:Not a sport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a sport. It's a competition. Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

      Wrong. The definition of sport depends on context. Simplistic definitions such as that on Wikipedia do not reflect reality. The discussion on debate.org over whether chess is a sport is a reasonable proxy for both sides of this topic.

      Most likely, however, the view that physical exertion is actually a necessary component is only made by those people who haven't got the mental capacity to understand the nature of what they are watching. Have a nice day.

  11. N=1 is not that impressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is your anecdotal evidence proof that the ability to do arithmetic quickly in ones head does not correlate highly with general purpose mathematical ability?

  12. Solvable in 1 second. by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

    10^n is evenly divisible by 2^n

    Therefore 999,999,999 = 10^9-1. Therefore the remainder is -1 mod 32 which = 31.

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    1. Re:Solvable in 1 second. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your explanation is overly brief.
      10^n is evenly divisible by 2^n, but 999,999,999 and 32 do not share the same n.

    2. Re:Solvable in 1 second. by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      It's not a formal proof. I think the rest of it is essentially instinctual. But fine.

      If x is divisible by y, then mx is also divisible by y, for all integers x, y, and m.

      10^x = 10^y * 10^z when x = y + z.

      Therefore, if 10^n is evenly divisible by 2^n, it follows that 10^m is evenly divisible by 2^n for all integers m > n.

    3. Re:Solvable in 1 second. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems sufficient to me. It's just looking at congruence of the sum of two numbers modulo 32. Gauss formalized congruences over 200 years ago. 10^9 and 0 are in the same equivalence class, as are -1 and 31. So yes, 10^9 + -1 = 0 + 31 (mod 32). Impressive for a seventh grader, but don't they teach basic number theory any more?

    4. Re:Solvable in 1 second. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, it took you 33 minutes from the publication of the story to post your comment.

  13. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    999,999,999 is 10^10-1, so we have (2*5)^10-1 mod 2^5. The (2*5)^10 part is 0 mod 2^5 since it has a 2^5 factor, so the answer is -1 mod 2^5. That's 31 if we write it in the form of the least non-negative integer representative.

    1. Re:Easy by KGIII · · Score: 1

      *cough*

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  14. Praise be to Bush?.. by mi · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Though TFA talks about a national competition, last year the American team has won the international Math Olympiad. For the first time in 21 years too.

    Maybe, Bush's hated ideas of accountability for schools and teachers weren't entirely bad? Neah, can't be...

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    1. Re:Praise be to Bush?.. by Jiro · · Score: 2

      That winning team includes three Asian names, and a head coach and assistant coach each with an Asian name. I don't think that the team is winning because educational standards went up.

    2. Re:Praise be to Bush?.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and I hear Microsoft is making over 1 trillion in revenue worldwide. Surely this means all Americans are ok and the economy has recovered! Praise be Obama! /sarcasm

      Don't confuse individual data points with the overall trend.

      In the very link you give, there's a link to another story that says the US students as a whole are only average in a 2012 report, failing to crack into the top 20.

      http://www.npr.org/sections/th...

    3. Re:Praise be to Bush?.. by mi · · Score: 0

      That winning team includes three Asian names, and a head coach and assistant coach each with an Asian name.

      That such a coach became a teacher and got into this position — despite the lingering anti-Asian bigotry — may itself be thanks to increases in accountability... School-principals and fellow teachers may still dislike them, but have to weight that dislike against their school quantifiably falling behind in Math.

      Same may be true about the pupils themselves. They are still bullied, but, maybe, not as much now that school employees need them to help keep their school's averages higher.

      I don't think that the team is winning because educational standards went up.

      Well, you certainly aren't substantiating your opinion. No, I do not either... But I make a better effort...

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    4. Re:Praise be to Bush?.. by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      Lakeside is the most expensive/exclusive private school in Seattle. Notable alumni include Bill Gates and Paul Allen (Gates was wealthy before Microsoft - his father is a prominent local attorney.)

      So this story has exactly zero to do with Bush's education initiatives.

      --
      You will not drink with us, but you would taste our steel? - Walter Matthau, The Pirates
  15. Chess? by mi · · Score: 1

    Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

    Chess (and checkers, even if only 10x10) are generally regarded as sport. Even poker might be...

    Brain is part of the body and exerting it more often makes you a good sport... So to speak...

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  16. Maths B not A by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    That's why the the kid won a Maths B. Those who win real maths competitions tend to get As.

    1. Re:Maths B not A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/73625110/last-time-america-placed-its-trust-in-a-jew-named

  17. locm them all up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're obviously terrorists.

  18. Slightly raising one end of curve indicates little by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slightly raising one end of the student achievement curve indicates little.

    Many authoritarian countries weed out most of the poorly performing students. This artificially raises their schools average performance against countries where the vast majority of children stay in the education system for most of their childhood.

    Many of these same countries then focus resources on the top .0001% to win competitions. This result indicates nothing, and is probably inversely correlated with the true average performance of all children in the winning country.

  19. Learn bash, rule the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    time expr 999999999 % 32
    31

    real 0m0.008s
    user 0m0.001s
    sys 0m0.003s

    1. Re:Learn bash, rule the world by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      if you use pre-shellshock patch bash, world may own you

  20. Too easy by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    It should take less than 7 seconds to realize that 32 divides 1 billion evenly, so the answer is -1 mod 32. (Not the crappy truncate towards zero C kind of mod).

    --
    When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    1. Re:Too easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to see I'm not the only person who thinks that C's mod is broken.

      And before anyone says "it doesn't matter as long as it's defined," I'll say that it does matter: When the divisor is known in advance (because it's a constant) optimized code can be generated to perform the division faster. These optimizations amusingly produce the correct results for negative numerators, but since C's integer division and modulus operators are defined to work incorrectly for negative numbers, the compiler has to insert code to detect negative numerators and use a different routine. Similarly, the programmer has to write code to detect negative numerators and use a more complicated expression that will return the correct result despite C's functionality. Meanwhile, if C's operators were defined to give the correct results, none of this shit would be necessary: The same optimized routines that work for positive numerators return correct results for negative numerators as well, and so the compiler could just use the one optimized routine and be done with it, if only there were some way for the programmer to tell the compiler that they actually want the correct answers when performing integer division and modulus with negative numerators.

  21. I know him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Edward Wan is my personal friend and he swims on my swim team and goes to my writing class. Also, I was able to find the remainder of 99999/32 in under 2 seconds.

  22. Great idea! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    How about we collect all of these "Math/Arithmetic whiz kids" into a "Collective Intelligence" machine and predict some important stuff?

    --


    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.