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Seattle Seventh Grader Wins National Math Bee (ap.org)

Edward Wan, a Seattle-based seventh grader has won the national math bee. Wan, who studies at Lakeside Middle School, beat 224 other middle school students nationwide to win the 2016 Raytheon Mathcounts National Competition. From an Associated Press report: Competition officials said in a news release the 13-year-old won the final round by answering the question, "What is the remainder when 999,999,999 is divided by 32?" Wan gave the correct answer of 31 In just under seven seconds.Deadspin reports about the live streaming of the event: Today's Mathcounts national championship for middle-school mathletes aired on ESPN3, and it was definitely the best live sports anyone could be watching at 10 a.m. on a Monday morning. We couldn't agree more.

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  1. Asian privilege by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's not faaaaaaaaaair!

    We need a safe space for kids who can't spell. Other than the comment threads at Salon.com, that is.

    1. Re:Asian privilege by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      We need a safe space for kids who can't spell.

      Seattle Seventh Grader Wins National Math Bee

      Please re-read the headline.

    2. Re:Asian privilege by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Or at least read the summary(RTFS?). When you get to the 999,999,999/13 part it's kind of hard to continue thinking it's a spelling bee.

    3. Re:Asian privilege by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We have that.

      It's called Twitter.

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    4. Re:Asian privilege by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When you get to the 999,999,999/13 part ...

      It is 999,999,999/32. The 13 is his age. The problem is not so hard. 1,000,000,000 is 10^9 = 2^9*5^9, and 32=2^5, so obviously 1,000,000,000 is evenly divisible by 32, so one less is going to have a remainder of 31. Duh.

      I don't know much about the Math Bee, but I coach kids for the Math Olympiad, and we do a lot of drills to break numbers down into prime factors, and rapidly compute powers of two. Solving a problem like this in seven seconds is impressive, but not uncommon for a kid that has been trained.

    5. Re:Asian privilege by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      You think you're being funny.
      All you're really being is racist.

      The funny thing is that he isn't even a competent racist. He has his stereotypes all mixed up: Indians win spelling bees (10 of the last 14), Chinese win math competitions. Since Edward is Chinese, it was silly to think this was a spelling bee.

    6. Re:Asian privilege by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I find it rather interesting that among asians most of these math competitions are Chinese participation, while Koreans, Japanese...have considerably less representation.

      It is considerably harder for a Chinese citizen to emigrate to America, compared to South Koreans or Japanese. So the Chinese who work through the process and come here tend to be competitive, hard working, and well educated.

    7. Re:Asian privilege by quenda · · Score: 1

      I find it rather interesting that among asians most of these math competitions are Chinese participation, while Koreans, Japanese...have considerably less representation.

      Affluence. The Ashkenazi Jews have an even higher bell-curve, and greater numbers in the US. Like the Koreans and Japanese, todays parents grew up to comfortable to devote the necessary hours to win a childs maths/spelling bee. China still has countless millions in poverty, and the grandparents remember millions dying of starvation. That's a good motivator.

  2. Slow day in sports by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Today's Mathcounts national championship for middle-school mathletes aired on ESPN3, and it was definitely the best live sports anyone could be watching at 10 a.m. on a Monday morning.

    Must have been a slow day for sports. Given that there's international sports, you should probably be able to find something interesting to watch at any time of the day. Maybe the Giro D'Italia shouldn't have had a rest day.

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    1. Re:Slow day in sports by CycleFreak · · Score: 1

      Wow, a European cycling race that is NOT the Tour de France got a random mention in a /. comment.

      My life is complete.

      PS: The Giro can often be much more entertaining than the TdF.

  3. Not Math by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    Arithmetic. Americans seem unable to tell the difference (no pun intended).

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    1. Re:Not Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well since Arithmetic is a subset of Math, they were in fact practicing Math.

      Pedantry is usually unnecessary when discussing a middle school event, unless you're trying to shoehorn in an "Americans suck" joke.

    2. Re:Not Math by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Arithmetic. Americans seem unable to tell the difference

      Nope. Three problems:

      (1) Arithmetic is a PART of mathematics.

      (2) Even if you want to insist it's not, the Mathcounts competition includes all sorts of stuff including basic geometry, basic algebra, probability, combinatorics, basic number theory, etc. NOT just arithmetic.

      (3) If you think this kid solved that problem by basic "arithmetic" like division in 7 seconds, you're crazy. It requires an understanding of basic divisibility theory (i.e., part of number theory) to see certain patterns. For example, most kids know that you can determined divisibility by 2 by looking at last digit (even or odd). Some might realize that you can determine divisibility by 4 by looking at last TWO digits.

      In this case, divisibility requires looking at last FIVE digits. (This requires generalizability of divisibility rules, usually something not taught directly to middle school kids.) Given that adding one produces a number with five zeroes at the end, that number would be divisible by 32, hence this number would have a remainder of 31.

      Frankly, I'm surprised it took kids at this level 7 seconds to jump in with such a simple problem.

    3. Re:Not Math by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      By the way, of course there are other simple ways of solving the problem (e.g., recognizing that 10^n is automatically divisible by 2^n, since 32=2^5, then any power of 10 greater than 10^5 is automatically divisible by 32) -- I was just referencing the general divisibility rules that I know kids in the Mathcounts stuff are usually taught.

    4. Re:Not Math by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget: "He is using Arabic numerals."

    5. Re:Not Math by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Generalizability, no, but you can get there with the basic divisibility rules they do teach in middle school. Multiples of 100 are divisible by 4, multiples of 1,000 are divisible by 8. 32=8x4, so you just need a multiple of 100,000.

      While that's true, I think it already requires one generalization that most middle-school kids don't realize, i.e., that you can effectively "multiply" the requirements for divisibility rules to obtain rules for higher numbers.

      (In middle school, some kids realize this about 6 -- which is usually taught to encompass the rules for 2 and for 3. A Mathcounts kid might also learn how to use this for divisibility by 12 or 15, etc. But I think it takes a little extra leap of logic to do what you did. Either way, the kid obviously had to take a leap beyond the "normal" use of middle-school divisibility rules.)

    6. Re:Not Math by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Arithmetic. Americans seem unable to tell the difference (no pun intended).

      You must be American.

    7. Re:Not Math by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://grammarist.com/spelling...

      Perhaps you should keep saying it, since it seems the grammarians disagree with you.

      Oh, and keep tilting at those windmills, maybe some day you will win a battle...lol

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  4. 10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "What is 10^10-1 mod 32?"
    We start by checking if we can divide 1^10 by 2, five times (as 2^5=32) : 5x10^5, 2.5x10^5, 1.25x10^5, 6.25x10^4 and 3.125x10^4. The answer is yes, thus 10^10 mod 32 = 0, and 10^10-1 mod 32 = 31.

    1. Re:10^10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's even easier than that. You can divide by 2^n evenly if something is a multiple of 10^n. Since n=5, 10^9 can be divided by 32 evenly, leaving you with a remainder of 31 when you subtract 1. Memorize enough simple rules and you can solve problems based around simple rules in mere seconds.

  5. Quick kid by TheEmptySet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Maths is about understanding something the right way. And I'm guessing this kid did not take the seven seconds to do anything complicated. He just factored 32. i.e. 2^5. Then noticed that 999,999,999 + 1 = 1,000,000,000 = 10^10 = 2^10 * 5*10 which clearly contains a factor of 2^5. So 32 goes into 1,000,000,000. So the remainder after division of 999,999,999 by 32 is 31. I think you need about 2 seconds for that once you realise the correct way to think about it. So he took 5 seconds to work out what he should do. Quick kid!

    1. Re:Quick kid by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He probably did what I have done at that age. 1,000,000,000 by 32 is 500,000,000 by 16 is 250,000,000 by 8 is 125,000,000 by 4 is 62,500,00 by 2 is ...doesn't matter but it is divisible without remainder. So one less means that 31 must be left.

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    2. Re:Quick kid by dywolf · · Score: 1

      I believe its even easier than that, if you know the divisibility rules to determine divisibility quickly.
      and these math whiz's probably learn almost all of them.

      among them is "any multiple of 100k (so that it ends with x00,000) is divisible by 32".
      therefore 1B is divisible by 32.
      so 1 less should have a remainder of 31.

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    3. Re:Quick kid by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      The difference between people who are good at math and people who win math competitions is the ability to make educated guesses on the fly. Once you see enough problems that look difficult but turn out to be trivial when viewed in the right context, you start looking for that context instead of trying to calculate the answer.

      Uh, the whole point of Mathcounts is to encourage middle-school students to think on a more "abstract" level. They actively WANT you to do "tricks" to solve the problems. For this purpose, they aren't "tricks" nor for that matter was this answer likely an "educated guess." It's only a trivial problem if you know a little basic number theory and can see a pattern.

      ALL of the kids who had gotten to the final round of this competition would have realized that they did NOT want them to calculate the answer by direct division. This competition is not a calculation speed contest, it's about applying various mathematical tools to get to a quick answer.

      Seeing the pattern, by the way, IS still "calculating" the answer. It's just doing it more efficiently, because you have better knowledge and better abilities to generalize (which are important skills to do well in more advanced math).

    4. Re:Quick kid by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Did you really? The solution was not a decimal number. They want the integer reminder. Typical 12 sig digit accurate calculators will give something like 31.04 or 30.997 as the reminder, if you know how to get the reminder from the decimal fraction.

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    5. Re:Quick kid by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Now, quick, what is the remainder of 999,999,999 divided by 31?

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  6. Go MathCounts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My son competed in MathCounts as an 8th grader a number of years ago. Made it to the nationals in Texas, where he finished in the middle of the pack.

    I went there with him, and even though I was just a parent (with an MS in math), I took it upon myself to assist the guy coaching our state's team. For two days, Coach and I escorted those four intelligent, lively, funny young people (one girl, three boys) to a barbecue, a science museum, and I forget where all else. The other kids' parents stayed at the hotel as well, but they all went their own way during the day. Can't understand why; we had a blast.

    That same son is currently enrolled in the Math PhD program at the University of Chicago.

    1. Re:Go MathCounts! by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      +1 emotional :)

    2. Re:Go MathCounts! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      My son's shagging a very cute native Peruvian. *sighs* The daughter finished med school so she's done well. The boy child? Well... He's not hurting anyone, there's that.

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    3. Re:Go MathCounts! by dohzer · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!

  7. I'm shocked! by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey, great way to dispel those stereotypes, Wan!!! Keep it up!

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  8. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Tyrone Johnson was too busy playing basketball to compete in the math bee... Billy Bob was busy doing meth. What ethic groups have we missed here?

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  9. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Sounds like an idiot savant... have you considered teaching your "friend" to play blackjack? He might turn out to be really good at card-counting, a la "Rainman".

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  10. Solvable in 1 second. by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

    10^n is evenly divisible by 2^n

    Therefore 999,999,999 = 10^9-1. Therefore the remainder is -1 mod 32 which = 31.

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    1. Re:Solvable in 1 second. by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      It's not a formal proof. I think the rest of it is essentially instinctual. But fine.

      If x is divisible by y, then mx is also divisible by y, for all integers x, y, and m.

      10^x = 10^y * 10^z when x = y + z.

      Therefore, if 10^n is evenly divisible by 2^n, it follows that 10^m is evenly divisible by 2^n for all integers m > n.

  11. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

    These kids are definitely very good at abstraction and such. When you check the 4 minute clip, some questions are really about degrees and clocks etc.. so looks like they already have the trigonometry thing covered. By the time I actually understood what's asked, they already have the answer.

  12. Re:Not a sport by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    You tell my boss that his beloved golf is no real sport.

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  13. Re:Not a sport by tsqr · · Score: 1

    It's not a sport. It's a competition. Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

    Areyou trying to make sport of him?

  14. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    When I competed in this in the early 90s, we had two brothers on our team that both finished top 10 on the individual portion.

    They then had a pyramid style competition to determine the individual winner. Our teammate was one of the last two standing. In the final, he buzzed in too early on multiple occasions (had to wait until they were done reading the question) and was DQ'd from answering that question. He knew the answer before the question was done. The other kid then had 30 seconds to work out it on his own, eventually getting it right.

    He also ended up teaching our high school physics class because our teacher was not qualified. Smartest person I've ever known, extremely socialable as well. Very humble too.

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  15. Praise be to Bush?.. by mi · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Though TFA talks about a national competition, last year the American team has won the international Math Olympiad. For the first time in 21 years too.

    Maybe, Bush's hated ideas of accountability for schools and teachers weren't entirely bad? Neah, can't be...

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    1. Re:Praise be to Bush?.. by Jiro · · Score: 2

      That winning team includes three Asian names, and a head coach and assistant coach each with an Asian name. I don't think that the team is winning because educational standards went up.

    2. Re:Praise be to Bush?.. by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      Lakeside is the most expensive/exclusive private school in Seattle. Notable alumni include Bill Gates and Paul Allen (Gates was wealthy before Microsoft - his father is a prominent local attorney.)

      So this story has exactly zero to do with Bush's education initiatives.

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  16. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by war4peace · · Score: 2

    Prakash Kumar Badalababoom.

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  17. Chess? by mi · · Score: 1

    Sports by definition require an element of physical exertion.

    Chess (and checkers, even if only 10x10) are generally regarded as sport. Even poker might be...

    Brain is part of the body and exerting it more often makes you a good sport... So to speak...

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  18. Maths B not A by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    That's why the the kid won a Maths B. Those who win real maths competitions tend to get As.

  19. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by Zeroko · · Score: 1

    I started taking a foreign language class last night, & the teacher had only gone over certain letters. She started to write a word & then erased it because we had not learned one of the letters, but from past experience (I know the entire alphabet & a handful of words), I figured out what the rest of the word was from just the first 2 letters.

    One obvious thing about 999,999,999 is that it is one less than 1 billion. So the most likely choices for divisor are those that are powers of 2 or 5. (3, 9, & 10 are trivial, & others are more tricky.) As for knowing it would be 32 rather than another power of 2 or 5: Powers of 5 are probably marginally more likely to be easier because they are emphasized more (or at least that was my experience in school). Too large or too small a power of 2 would be too easy. I would not necessarily have guessed 32 was the sweet spot (& hindsight is 20/20), but it is not impossible that someone would guess it right.

  20. Re:Learn bash, rule the world by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    if you use pre-shellshock patch bash, world may own you

  21. Re:And it couldn't have been a kid named.... by KGIII · · Score: 1

    That one can actually spell.

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  22. Re:Easy by KGIII · · Score: 1

    *cough*

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  23. Too easy by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    It should take less than 7 seconds to realize that 32 divides 1 billion evenly, so the answer is -1 mod 32. (Not the crappy truncate towards zero C kind of mod).

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  24. Great idea! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    How about we collect all of these "Math/Arithmetic whiz kids" into a "Collective Intelligence" machine and predict some important stuff?

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  25. Re:Not that it's not impressive... by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    Any number with a lot of zeros is going to divide by 2 a lot. Like "X0000000000000", because all those zeros will hold the remainder of the divisions of X. 32 is easily seen to be a power of 2. So all those divisions by 2 divide evenly into such a number. One less than the even division means the remainder will be one less than that division. So "31". I could not do it so fast the first time. But if you knew this or seen it before, all such questions would be rather easy. The same is true for IQ questions. The first time you see them is the only time I think they have meaning.