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Amazon and Microsoft Directors Charged in Prostitution Sting (kiro7.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A director from Microsoft and a former Amazon director have been charged with promoting prostitution after an investigation into Seattle-area sex trafficking, according to a local news report. Investigators say the director of worldwide health for Microsoft submitted over 70 reviews of prostitutes that he had allegedly hired since April 2012, according to the report, while the director of software development at Amazon, who worked on Fire TV, "allegedly hired prostitutes at least 29 times through The Review Board and TheLeague.Net, according to court documents." Both men have pleaded not guilty and are free on $75,000 bail, part of a group of 19 people now facing criminal charges. "These defendants, we allege, were absolutely devoted to the commercial sexual exploitation of vulnerable, powerless immigrant women," King County Prosecutors said in January, adding that the women, who were forced into prostitution to pay off debts to organized crime bosses in Asia, are not being charged.
Last January a Seattle newspaper reported that one alleged brothel owner "previously had made his living off illegal marijuana grows, but moved into prostitution when the drug was legalized."

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  1. No surprise there... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone knows Amazon and Microsoft are in bed together to screw over consumers.

  2. They were Johns charged as pimps by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds like these guys committed "patronizing a prostitute", which is a misdemeanor:
    http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/defa...

    They've been charged with "promoting prostitution"( being a pimp), which a felony:
    http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/defa...

    1. Re:They were Johns charged as pimps by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Prosecutorial overreach. The prosecutor will probably be running for office soon and is trying to make a name for himself/herself.

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    2. Re:They were Johns charged as pimps by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apparently they posted reviews of some of the prostitutes online which is technically promoting.

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    3. Re: They were Johns charged as pimps by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, they *are* vulnerable, because they operate outside the law and can be exploited by criminals You don't think that a prostitute you've paid $300 gets to keep that money? Almost all of that goes to the pimp.

      Freelancing women are targets for beatings by pimps because they threaten the pimp's income. And what are they supposed to do, go to the cops and say "This guy is trying to steal my prostitution business?"

      Once a prostitute is in the clutches of a pimp, she's not free to leave to business either. Even if she wants to move to a different city, if the pimp keeps her in place by threats to her friends and family.

      And not every prostitute is a prostitute by choice. There are runaways who fall into a pimp's control; rural foreigners who are tricked into thinking they're immigrating to the US for a high-paying (by their standards) domestic service job.

      Understand I have no issues with prostitution per se, but I have a big problem with slavery, and in any system where prostitutes operate outside the protection of the law it's a given that most of them are de facto slaves.

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  3. The only exploitation likely going on... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is by the prosecutor and the police. In countries where prostitution is legal, women selecting this as their choice of work of their own free will are the norm and exceptions are so rare that they make the papers. Also, "pimps" basically do not exist. Hence what is going on here is a deranged war on women that find selling sex for money gives them a sound economic basis and on men that are willing to buy that service. All the "trafficking" nonsense and "helpless" bullshit is just the same vile lies used to justify locking up as many people as possible (and most certainly those "rescued" face the same fate and will have the money they earned stolen in addition) over what in any sane country is a matter of a service rendered between consenting adults. The very kind of language used by the "authorities" already shows what this really is.

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    1. Re:The only exploitation likely going on... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The human trafficking is quite real and large scale. While it's enabled by anti-prostitution laws which make it easier to hide sex slavery, that doesn't make the exploitation any less reprehensible, nor does it mean that the Johns have no moral responsibility for it. The law should be changed to fight trafficking, but until then these guys are despicable because they quite likely realize what's going on.

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    2. Re:The only exploitation likely going on... by gweihir · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Where I live, prostitution is legal. And, until, a few years ago, it was legal at 16. You know what brothel-owners _and_ customers though about 16 year olds working as prostitutes? To young, too inexperienced, too self-centered, and generally unfit for the job. They did not want them. Hence there were only very rare instances of 16 year olds trying it in the first place. The whole thing about "most starting at a very young age" is a blatant lie, as there is no demand. The actual average age of starting is around 21 in the US and ones starting below 18 are very, very rare. Same with "women being forced into it". This works so badly that even the Italian Mafia has stopped doing it ages ago. The ones forced into it are not doing a good job (obviously) and hence fetch prices so low the whole thing is more hassle than it is worth. In addition, the person reporting a prostitute forced into it to the police is usually her first or second customer, because men are not total scum and notice when something is amiss.

      The things you apparently believe are the outgrow of perverted and deranged fantasies, not any accurate description of actual reality.

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    3. Re:The only exploitation likely going on... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If prostitution was legal, then human trafficking drops to zero (or so close that it's not really measureable). So as pointed out, it's the government that makes trafficking happen. Since NZ legalized prostitution, there have been no cases of human trafficking. The black market only exists because the government requires it.

  4. I blame Prime by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be fair, the Amazon employee was a Prime Now customer and had gotten so used to getting what he wanted in two hours that pumping drinks in to a girl all night in a bar (let alone the traditional three-dates before sex route) was just too damn slow.

  5. Re:Crime? by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The prostitutes may be victims of sex trafficking but, the people being charged had nothing to do with that if it did take place. They should be going after the traffickers who brought them to this country if they were brought here either illegally or against their will or if they extorted them. Going after these guys is just the prosecutor trying to get his name in the paper, not trying to actually go after criminals.

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  6. Re:Did you know? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Can anyone provide any real evidence to disprove these facts?"

    I can't disprove that your head is a giant cabbage either, but in this case that would be a pretty good guess.

  7. Trafficking/slavery vs. sex work by dumky2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes. Unfortunately, most of the recent bills passed to fight actual slavery (including sex slavery) have been used to fight sex work instead.
    With legalized prostitution, it is much easier to help actual trafficking victims escape. This is the real harm of conflating trafficking/slavery with sex work.

    As this article titles: The War on Sex Trafficking Is the New War on Drugs. And the results will be just as disastrous, for "perpetrators" and "victims" alike.
    http://reason.com/archives/201...

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  8. Re:Submitter is also marketing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of prostitutes are exploited - by their employers. It's an underground industry, so they can't go to the police for help - if their pimp threatens them with violence, or withholds pay, or assaults them, there's nothing much they can do - certainly can't go to the police. Legalisation would make it a lot easier to maintain safe working conditions.

  9. Re:The victims by unimacs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read a little closer. These aren't women who chose to be prostitutes rather than being dental hygienists or auto mechanics. They were coerced or forced into prostitution to pay off debts to organized crime bosses. Debts that may have not have even been their own but of their family members. They were neither safe nor secure and it's doubtful they were allowed to keep much of the money.

    How much were the Amazon and Microsoft directors aware of this exploitation? Don't know, but apparently the prosecutors think they knew these women didn't have many other options.

  10. Why is prostitution illegal? by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is prostitution illegal at all?

    One of the most common lines is "prostitution exploits women" -- if that's the case, then why are prostitutes arrested? Wouldn't they then be the victims? At least in the EU that seems to be emerging model, with Sweden and now France making accepting money for sex not illegal, but paying money for sex illegal. But that's very recent, and not generally reflective of long standing practices and criminal law.

    A more enduring answer seems to be that it's merely reflective of anti-sex morality, the same mindset that used to criminalize pornography, birth control and made sodomy and adultery actual crimes. Although most all of those things have mostly stopped being illegal, as society on balance has become accepting of sex as recreation -- sodomy and adultery laws have mostly been overturned or aren't enforced anymore, singles bars, Craigslist/Tinder/Grindr, etc. And also, in not the not so distant past, society was more tolerant of prostitution -- brothels operated more openly -- despite a generally stronger social prohibition on sex outside of marriage.

    I think prostitution remains illegal -- with the public justification shifting in spite of general acceptance of sex outside of wedlock -- because women don't like prostitution. Despite the general changes in attitude about sex outside of marriage, women still see sexuality as a significant bargaining chip in social relations with men. Legalized prostitution thus represents a threat to women's bargaining status in relationships.

    If men can buy sex whenever they want it for only money, women lose a significant bargaining advantage in relationships with men. Their sexuality no longer represents a scarce good or service and they can no longer structure their relationship demands around controlling access to sex. Which seems really ironic, since women often loudly decry being seen as "sex objects" and want to be valued for their intelligence or other personality traits, yet it seems as in spite of that, women continue to see their sexuality as primary tool in attracting and maintaining mail interest in relationships.

    You would think that *women* would want prostitution legal, though, because it would in theory act as a kind of filter for men they wish to engage in more substantive relationships with. It would, in theory, make the pool of men they encounter to more likely be interested in non-sexual aspects of a relationship, reducing the effort needed to filter men who falsify their intentions in order to gain sex.

    1. Re:Why is prostitution illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I always though the same things as you, that the reason why prostitution is illegal is mostly because women do not want it to be legal (as it weakens their position withing a relationship if they control access to sex). And this seems a mostly Western phenomenon, a lot of countries around the world EXPECT men to frequent brothels to take care of their needs and not waste a young woman's time if their intentions are less than honorable.

      Also I never understood how when it comes to prostitution, it's seen as exploitation.
      Person needs money, person is willing to do some activity that somebody else values to generate income, otherwise they starve, lose their home, etc.....
      This is called working in all other industries. You think the people collecting money for picking up trash or mopping floors, or making your bead do it out of love for their job? Helllll nooooo.....you think they have other options but choose those jobs? Helll no.......and yet people are "trafficked" into richer nations to do those jobs as well....But nobody is calling them victims...in fact a lot of people see it as a positive, as them trying to better their outcome in life.

      And on a final note, a lot of the issues of criminal gangs in prostitution would disappear if it where legalized and taxed and regulated instead of trying to impose a prohibitionist policy, that has been proven time and time again to not work when there is a demand and simply just ruins lives.