Fox 'Stole' a Game Clip, Used It In Family Guy and DMCA'd the Original (torrentfreak.com)

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Fox 'Stole' a Game Clip, Used It In Family Guy and DMCA'd the Original (torrentfreak.com)

Posted by msmash on Friday May 20, 2016 @04:00AM from the patently-absurd dept.

An anonymous reader shares a TorrentFreak report: This week's episode of Family Guy included a clip from 1980s Nintendo video game Double Dribble showing a glitch to get a free 3-point goal. Perhaps surprisingly the game glitch is absolutely genuine and was documented in a video that was uploaded to YouTube by a user called 'sw1tched' back in February 2009. Interestingly the clip that was uploaded by sw1tched was the exact same clip that appeared in the Family Guy episode on Sunday. So, unless Fox managed to duplicate the gameplay precisely, Fox must've taken the clip from YouTube. Whether Fox can do that and legally show the clip in an episode is a matter for the experts to argue but what followed next was patently absurd. Shortly after the Family Guy episode aired, Fox filed a complaint with YouTube and took down the Double Dribble video game clip on copyright grounds. Perhaps YouTube should also be blamed for this.

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Ok, why? by drakaan · 2016-05-20 04:04 · Score: 4, Interesting

Why should YouTube also be blamed for this? Why should they be blamed for following the takedown process that the MPAA/RIAA forced upon them?

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1. Re:Ok, why? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-20 04:21 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Why should they be blamed for following the takedown process that the MPAA/RIAA forced upon them?
  Did the MPAA/RIAA force Youtube to make it as easy as they did? Admittedly, I would probably just not care and give them an automated system as well, but I still think that deserves some blame.
2. Re:Ok, why? by Stolpskott · 2016-05-20 04:23 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Mainly for failing to perform any checks to see if the party filing the DMCA notice actually has the authority (i.e. copyright ownership) to be able to enforce the notice.
  However, such checks would go a long way toward invalidating the defense used by media companies who abuse the DMCA provisions when faced with such patently absurd filings - that they filed this specific request in error as a result of a failure of an automated reporting system, and that nobody at the media company making the filing was aware that the filing was incorrect. In the meantime, sanctions related to the number of DMCA notices received against content uploaded by specific accounts remains triggered even when many/most of the notices are shown to be bogus/in error, meaning that there is no incentive for the media companies to change and there are no satisfactory mechanisms in place for small uploaders to recover their content/challenge the behaviour.
3. Re:Ok, why? by PhrostyMcByte · 2016-05-20 04:27 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Youtube makes takedowns exceptionally easy, but the process of getting a video put back up can take months and there are no repercussions for a bad takedown.
  Remember the other part of the DMCA safe harbor bits -- you need to take the video down immediately, but if the person says to put it back up, it becomes squarely that person's legal issue, not Youtube's. Youtube is not adequately capturing this workflow.
  Then again, it's not clear if these takedowns are actual DMCA requests or if it's just an agreement Youtube has. I know that Youtube supports both.
4. Re:Ok, why? by drakaan · 2016-05-20 04:32 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Which is a great idea, if you can afford to employ enough people to do that. The rightsholders should be responsible for screening their takedown requests. The problem is that there's no limit placed on the supposed rightsholders to prevent them from abusing the system for automated takedowns without reviewing them first. Again, that was forced on YouTube by the rights agencies. Again, why blame YouTube?
  
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5. Re:Ok, why? by macs4all · 2016-05-20 04:34 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Because instead of brainlessly taking down any video because of a DMCA request they could run it through a sanity check first, but that would take a little bit of effort, so its just easier not to piss off the people with money to sue you.
  Or, howabout they just follow the longstanding and bright-line Doctrine of "Innocent until PROVEN guilty", and just refuse to take down the ALLEGEDLY "offending" video until a COURT ORDER is issued?
  
  Anything else (and any law to the contrary) is blatantly Unconstitutional, and void ab initio. I could care less what the DMCA STATUTE says. The Constitution trumps all.
  
  No Court could find differently; and it's HIGH-TIME that that was Tested...
6. Re:Ok, why? by drakaan · 2016-05-20 04:40 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  See my reply to Stolpskott. It's not about caring, its about resources. There are a huge number of videos getting posted and a huge number of takedown requests.
  
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7. Re:Ok, why? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-20 04:43 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  I could care less what the DMCA STATUTE says.
  I, on the other hand, could not.
8. Re:Ok, why? by Solandri · 2016-05-20 04:46 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  The DMCA doesn't require the party filing the DMCA notice to provide YouTube a copy of the original so they can compare. All it requires is that they claim they own the legal copyright that the other work is infringing.
  
  The problem is that the DMCA (being written by the copyright industry for the copyright industry) provides no punishment, no discouragement for invalid claims. The only punishment is if the filing party knows they don't own the copyright but files the claim anyway. That is, the filing party can always say "I thought I owned the copyright, but I guess I was wrong" and get away with it without even having to say "I'm sorry." That's what's led to the copyright industry filing DMCA claims willy nilly with little regard for accuracy.
9. Re:Ok, why? by 110010001000 · 2016-05-20 04:55 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  I never understood this argument. Google literally has TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CASH. They have plenty of resources. They just choose not to spend it. Ridiculous.
10. Re:Ok, why? by taustin · 2016-05-20 04:57 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Innocent until proven guilty applies to criminal cases. A DMCA takedown notice isn't a criminal case. The only thing that matters here is statutory law.
  The correct response to this kind of abuse is to track down the lawyer who signed his name to the takedown notice (it's not valid takedown notice without it) and prosecute him for perjury (since he swore under penalty of perjury that it was accurate and that he represented the copyright holder).
  The first time a lawyer gets prosecuted for perjury, we'll see a hell of a lot less abuse of DMCA takedown notices. If it ever happens, which isn't likely.
11. Re:Ok, why? by Frobnicator · 2016-05-20 05:05 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  The first time a lawyer gets prosecuted for perjury, we'll see a hell of a lot less abuse of DMCA takedown notices. If it ever happens, which isn't likely.
  Agreed. That is about the only safeguard in place in the act, and it is not enforced.
  Swearing under penalty of perjury isn't what it used to be. General perjury on a sworn document is up to five years in prison, but like most such laws, is only enforced if you offend a prosecutor or officer of the court.
  When the lawyers who sign the bulk takedown requests start to end up in prison and lose their license, the others will start to take more care.
  
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12. Re:Ok, why? by amicusNYCL · 2016-05-20 05:06 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  The problem is that the DMCA (being written by the copyright industry for the copyright industry) provides no punishment, no discouragement for invalid claims.
  That's true, that's the problem. There's a solution, though. Google has a net income of over $16 billion and a market cap of almost $500 billion. I would love for them to put up an 8 figure bounty to a lobbying firm that can get sane copyright laws pushed through Congress.
  The current situation is a great example. Any human at Fox, when faced with this case, would admit that they do not own the copyright. But they're using software which doesn't know the difference. The software is sure that they own the copyright, because it was programmed like that, so why shouldn't Fox get hit with a penalty if they're using that software knowingly? If they don't want a penalty, then they need smarter software. They need a way of identifying their own source material with a series of flags which says which sections they do and do not own the copyright on, and smarter software to look at those and skip the sections where they can't enforce copyright. Otherwise, there needs to be a penalty in the DMCA for people or companies submitting repeated false positives. One penalty could be that section about the penalties for not immediately removing the material are waived for all complaints submitted by the party in question, pending a formal review of the submitted complaint. Maybe a year to respond to the initial complaint would be a good starting point.
  
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13. Re:Ok, why? by Calydor · 2016-05-20 05:07 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Do you know the real trick to getting rich and staying rich?
  It is not spending more money than you have to.
  In another article a few days ago I saw someone who did the math; apparently Google would have to employ 56,000 people JUST to monitor uploaded Youtube clips in real time. Let's say they get a pitiful 20,000 dollars a year each for staring non-stop at inane video clips (many of which would likely be trolling uploads of Tubgirl, Two Girls One Cup etc.), that amounts to approximately 1.1 BILLION dollars per year.
  Just to avoid something like this happening too often.
  
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14. Re:Ok, why? by akpoff · 2016-05-20 05:18 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Sure, but the algorithm could be a bit smarter. In this case, checking the post date of the alleged infringing video against the air date of the Family Guy episode would be enough to suspect it's not infringing.
15. Re:Ok, why? by omnichad · 2016-05-20 05:20 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  If it wasn't Youtube's own Content ID system, FOX could probably be sued for issuing a false takedown notice. Maybe they still could. Hiring a hit man makes you no less guilty of murder.
16. Re:Ok, why? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-20 05:21 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Mainly for failing to perform any checks to see if the party filing the DMCA notice actually has the authority
  
  Stop.
  If you host content for other people, are an ISP, etc. then you are required to comply with the initial take-down notice unless you want to become liable.
  Then the uploader can file a counter-claim, and get the content reinstated.
  Then the original filer can pursue further action if they want.
  The problem with youtube, is that as soon as you receive a DMCA notice you get a 'strike' against you.
  What should happen is you should receive no penalty until the period for contesting the DMCA order passes.
  If you file a counter-claim within that time window, you should not get any penalty and your video should automatically go back up.
  If the person pursues legal action, you should not get a penalty until the legal proceedings complete.
  In addition, if a person submits a DMCA claim, which then gets a counter-claim filed, they should get flagged.
  If they start getting enough counter-claim which either never get contested or pursued, or claims which get over-turned in court later on, they should lose all access to the automated take-down system and have to file everything manually. Youtube's legal department should additional review their actions, and file lawsuits for abuse of process, etc. and to reclaim legal fees and costs.
  Once a person is flagged as an excessive DMCA abuser, any video which gets a DMCA filed against it should also give that person some sort of alert, something like "Your video has been subject to a DMCA claim, filed by someone who has been identified as submitting excessive numbers of fraudulent or unproven claims. Contact our legal department at xxx for assistance."
17. Re:Ok, why? by Firethorn · 2016-05-20 05:22 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I think they should DMCA that episode that contains the offending clip wherever it might be found.
  
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18. Re:Ok, why? by slazzy · 2016-05-20 05:27 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I just had a bunch of revenue stolen on my youtube videos. The copyright claim was based on my audio, but the audio I was using was youtube's own free music. The system is out of hand. I would have complained but the link doesn't work. For videos, ALWAYS put on a watermark to help prove your ownership.
  
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19. Re:Ok, why? by omnichad · 2016-05-20 05:29 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Don't want to awaken the beast (Nintendo). Nintendo has been issuing their claims on gameplay videos and taking all the ad revenue.
20. Re:Ok, why? by Solandri · 2016-05-20 05:30 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Read the DMCA a little closer:
  
  ''(vi) A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly in-fringed.
  In other words, the perjury charge isn't about claiming copyright when you don't own the copyright. It's about claiming you're authorized by the copyright owner to enforce the copyright on their behalf, when you're not. There is basically no penalty for filing a false DMCA claim; the only penalty (perjury) is if you know the claimant doesn't own a copyright and file a DMCA notice anyway. The copyrighted work doesn't even have to be anything like the video being taken down - as long as the copyright owner alleges the video is infringing, the person filing the DMCA notice gets a free pass.
  
  It's a terrible law with no checks and balances.
21. Re:Ok, why? by friesofdoom · 2016-05-20 05:30 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  The problem is that often these false takedown notices are made against people who are using youtube as a legitimate source of invome. Youtube will redirect all monetisation from your video with the fake takedown notice into the pockets of the person who made the fake takedown notice. There are other issue with these trikes blocking content creators from posting videos. Youtube are also impossible to contact and never respond to any inquiries about a false takedown notice. The whole system effectively just lets you steal money from other people.
  
  Here are some content creators talking about the problem, they can explain it better than I can:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVqFAMOtwaI
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCbNDGwypk
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K59XnF-hN78
22. Re:Ok, why? by mythosaz · 2016-05-20 05:44 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Fox could easily air material owned by them produced well before the date of a YouTube video - something they purchased from the archives or another company, or featuring music recorded decades ago - thus rendering simple date checking useless.
23. Re:Ok, why? by mjm1231 · 2016-05-20 06:22 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Ironically, some people are being ironic, even when they didn't mean to be.
  
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24. Re:Ok, why? by Onuma · 2016-05-20 07:35 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Nearly half of all lottery winners go bust within 5 years of receiving their winnings. They might be rich, but it is only in a very transient sense; it's not wealth.
  
  You're basically inserting your "fairness" bullshit into an economic argument. It's sanctimonious, and reeks of someone who has no idea about economics, business, or capitalism.
  
  What is fair? Who determines the price of a product or service? Who determines wages?
  
  You can find many examples of extraordinarily wealthy entrepreneurs who began with little or nothing, worked diligently, saved money, and started their businesses leading to [eventual] success. The fact that you have not done so belies your entire, weak argument.
  
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25. Re:Ok, why? by Travis+Mansbridge · 2016-05-20 07:36 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Actually, the way the DMCA is written, YouTube is supposed to follow the DMCA takedown request essentially blindly while any appeals are supposed to be filed by the user directly. I feel the same way as you, though, that the site hosting the material should have some responsibility. I'm sure the MPAA feels something similar about YouTube's responsibility for infringing content..
26. Re:Ok, why? by pnutjam · 2016-05-20 07:53 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Yeah, people get lucky all the time. There are probably dozens of people reading this who have found a $20 bill on the ground. That doesn't change what it is, just because people want to pretend their exceptional, or hard workers.
  
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Payback by tnk1 · 2016-05-20 04:05 · Score: 4, Interesting

The only right and proper response is, when the original video returns to YouTube, to DMCA the Fox video. It will likely last a microsecond due to Fox lawyers being all over it, but they deserve to have to deal with that shit.
1. Re:Payback by wardrich86 · 2016-05-20 04:08 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Is the original video monetized? He should sue them for $5.5 million dollars, since he lost out on potential views and revenue.
2. Re:Payback by Sloppy · 2016-05-20 05:27 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  The owner of the video (i.e. the guy that posted it to Youtube) can and hopefully will file a counter-notice. Youtube is then obliged by law to reinstate the deleted material in a reasonable time frame.
  That is incorrect (in US; I don't know about NL).
  After the counter-notice, Youtube can reinstate the material and they'll be free of liability to Fox. But that's all. DMCA does not contain anything requiring service providers to provide services to users. Youtube wasn't even required to provide hosting to sw1tched before the fraudulent notice, and the notice didn't magically give sw1tched new rights to hosting services.
  A big part of the point of the notice/counternotice stuff is to give companies like Youtube a way out of being too involved in the battle between Fox and sw1tched. They want to be "just the messenger" and their concerns are primarily what this part of the law was intended to address.
  
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3. Re:Payback by omnichad · 2016-05-20 05:40 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Nintendo has been stealing/claiming ad revenue for recently made gameplay videos. I wouldn't draw any attention to myself if I was hosting a Nintendo gameplay video.
Release the hounds by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-20 04:07 · Score: 3, Insightful

Sounds like a perfect opportunity for a kickstarter to fund legal action against Fox.
If the video owner can catch them for the copyright infringement they can hammer them for Perjury for the DMCA notice.
This Often Happens by cyriustek · 2016-05-20 04:10 · Score: 4, Insightful

DMCA is used far too often for things that do not make sense. The only people that really profit from it all is the lawyers, especially in a case like this where there is evidence of prior art.
Shame on Fox. Shame on MPAA. Shame on RIAA. Shame on all of the Congress critters for creating this legal pile of excrement.
1. Re:This Often Happens by Anonymous Coward · 2016-05-20 04:20 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  No, Don't blame Fox. Don't blame the MPAA. Don't blame the RIAA. And surely don't blame Congress...
  The blame lies directly on the consumers and voters, nowhere else. It's simple math.
  Good idea: place the blame squarely on the only group that had nothing to do with the problem and have no power to fix anything.
Let me see if I have this right by H3lldr0p · 2016-05-20 04:13 · Score: 4, Insightful

If I were to download a song and listen to it in the privacy of my own home/car/phone at work, I would be liable for a lot of money damages. But Fox gets to take a clip from YouTube, put it into a very successful commercial show and then turn around and claim that it came from them in the first place AND suffer no financial damage.
Interesting. It's like the law has been twisted so that it only benefits the wealthy and well-to-do.
Put the blame where it belongs... by QuietLagoon · 2016-05-20 04:20 · Score: 4, Insightful

Congress. Because it was Congress that was purchased by the media industry, and told by their media industry overlords to pass over-reaching digital restriction laws.
No need for quotes by sjames · 2016-05-20 04:45 · Score: 4, Insightful

There is no need to quote stole here. Fox has not only copied the video (which would justify the quotes), they have asserted ownership of the work (actual theft).
It's funny how it's primarily the entities that whine about infringement and call it theft that commit the actual thefts.
under DMCA, Youtube isn't the judge and jury by raymorris · 2016-05-20 04:55 · Score: 5, Informative

> [Youtube should be blamed] mainly for failing to perform any checks to see if the party filing the DMCA notice actually has the authority
That's not the way the law works. Under DMCA, Youtube isn't the judge and jury, they don't have any subjective decisions they are allowed to make. Youtube has little to no choice here. Here's the process that the DMCA law specifies:
1. Complainant notifies hoster (youtube) that they claim infringement.
2. Youtube may immediately contact respondent (uploader).
3. Youtube temporarily disables the content.
4. Respondent may send Youtube a counter-notice, saying that they dispute the original DMCA notice.
5. Upon receiving counter-notice, Youtube re-enables the content.
6. Complainant may file suit in federal court (expensive).
The process is pretty well set in stone by law. The one place where Youtube has some choice to make is that they have to disable/remove the content "quickly", but how quickly? A host can choose to contact the uploader and give them 24 hours to counter-notice before removal, or they can remove it right away and put it back when they get a counter-notice.
I wish more people understood the counter-notice part, meaning the content goes right back up if you dispute the notice. You just reply saying "this notice must have been sent by mistake" and sign it (forms are available online). If more people understood about counter-notices and an amendment to the law added statutory damages for reckless filing of improper notices, the system would probably work pretty well. As it is, reckless notices aren't penalized enough to matter, and most people seem to think that there's nothing they can do if they are on the wrong end of an erroneous notice. Just send back a counter-notice. You don't have to argue your case, just state that you think the notice is wrong and leave it at that.
Host your own shit by WaffleMonster · 2016-05-20 04:59 · Score: 5, Insightful

If everyone hosted their own content from their own systems we wouldn't have these problems. If the demand existed we would trivially have the capability to publish easily. Sane naming and caching architectures either P2P and or hosted by ISPs that don't discriminate and play favorites like current CDNs would be widely deployed to facilitate distribution.
The more everyone sucks on the teet of big content to do EVERYTHING for them the more the Internet becomes Cable TV. The more capabilities are not exercised the more impossible and outlandish it seems to do anything for yourself.
While youtube is convenient the opportunity costs in allowing a handful of companies to own a majority of eyeballs and bandwidth are enormous.
The very premise of the Internet is that it is a network of PEERS not a network of SPECTATORS.
Golden Rule by hughbar · 2016-05-20 05:22 · Score: 3, Funny

The golden rule has just operated perfectly, to wit: those who have the gold make the rules.

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