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Judge Orders 'Intentionally Deceptive' DOJ Lawyers To Take Remedial Ethics Class (zerohedge.com)

According to the Daily Caller, "The judge overseeing the challenge by 26 states to President Obama's executive action in immigration has ordered all lawyers 'employed at the Justice Department in Washington, D.C. who appears, or seeks to appear, in a court (state or federal) in any of the 26 Plaintiff States annually attend a legal ethics course.'"

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Zero Hedge: In writing the ruling, Hanen quoted from the scene in "Miracle on 34th Street" when the boy is called to testify to Santa's existence and saying that everyone knows not to tell a lie to the court. Hanen went on to say that that the Justice Department lawyers have an even stricter duty: Tell the truth, don't mislead the court, and don't allow it to be mislead by others. "The Government's lawyers failed on all three fronts. The actions of the DHS should have been brought as early as December 19, 2014. The failure of counsel to do that constituted more than mere inadvertent omissions -- it was intentionally deceptive." Judge Hanen wrote in his ruling. Hanen ordered that the classes must be "taught by at least one recognized ethics expert who is unaffiliated with the Justice Department." I wonder if the judge could order the lawyers to jail for contempt of court?

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  1. Reliable sources by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not saying the story's wrong, but could you have found better sources than the Daily Caller and Zerohedge?

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    1. Re:Reliable sources by BeauHD · · Score: 5, Informative

      NYT wrote about it, but it's a paywalled source. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05...

    2. Re:Reliable sources by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 5, Informative
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    3. Re:Reliable sources by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The major question here is if the judge has the jurisdiction to issue this order.

      Apparently you've not been keeping up with the degree of unethical behavior by the DoJ in this case.

      He does not.

      And you are a credible authority on this... because?

      Considering the implications of a judge barring every justice department lawyer from any courtroom in 26 states,

      Even IF he doesn't have the authority to do so, he has fired a beautiful warning shot across the bow of the DoJ and given serious ammunition to each of the 26 states fighting the unlawful amnesty which can & will be used in state courts given the behavior of DoJ lawyers before this judge.

      I'd say he has overstepped his authority.

      So finally, you acknowledge that this is in your opinion... which unlike that of the judge, has zero legal authority.

      This judge should be removed from the bench.

      How exactly do you envision that happening? The republican controlled House & Senate (which for the most part agree with the State's suit) impeaching them?

      Yeah, good luck with that.

    4. Re:Reliable sources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, that's just a piss-poor editorial of the Washington Post defending the DoJ -

      The judge sets the enforcement for 26 PLAINTIFF states (not all 50) - Those are the states suing the Federal government that the DoJ is defending. The 26 states listed are part of the trial and are subject to the judges ruling and, presumably, will go along with the punishment.

    5. Re:Reliable sources by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      The major question here is if the judge has the jurisdiction to issue this order. He does not.

      Well, it sounds like that major question was answered by notable law scholar dcooper_db9. We can all go on with our day now. Make sure to notify the judge that he's wrong. Don't bother justifying anything, just tell him he's wrong.

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    6. Re:Reliable sources by DaHat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      and likely didn't even know.

      Really?

      Wanna ask the judge? Why not read his ruling... which in the end is TFA

      Here is just one juicy bit:

      It has admitted that the lawyers who made these statements had knowledge of the truth when they made these misstatements. The DOJ’s only explanation has been that its lawyers either “lost focus” or that the “fact[s] receded in memory or awareness.”

      It seems he disagrees with you.

      He's punishing essentially innocent people assigned to the case.

      Again, false.

      It appears he has gone as far to bar any of the lawyers who have given false testimony in his court room from ever arguing in his court room again (given he can't disbar them himself)... it's punishment to ensure that future lawyers who come before him from the DoJ (or to courts in the states which make up this case) are reminded of the importance of ethics when acting as a lawyer?

    7. Re:Reliable sources by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      None of that will happen. Federal judges have been asserting themselves as a co-equal branch of government, and not the presidents bitches, for some time now. The punishments for DoJ lawyers who try to fuck with the federal court system have been growing gradually over time. They'll keep growing until those lawyers start taking the court system seriously.

      The entire point of the justice system is that you game the system within the rules. The DoJ has forgotten that of late, or just doesn't seem to think that federal judges are important. Either way, we've seen more and more evidence that federal judges are pushing back, and escalating over time. Don't piss off a federal judge, and especially don't blatantly go out of your way to do so when your work for the government.

      The judges will eventually win this fight. Never doubt it.

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  2. Equal Justice Ha Ha Ha... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a judge rules that a member of the Peasant Class has been intentionally deceptive; they do hard time for the crime of perjury. Has anyone written an app to cross reference: wealth, political affiliation, political connections, legal immigration status, and whether you are a member ofthe Bar, etc. to decide what laws apply to you and in what way. It gets complicated.
    Nixon can't wipe 18.5 minutes of magnetic audio tape but Hillary can wipe all the platters on a magnetic hard drive. See, it gets tricky.

  3. Whine much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Both articles quote the judge's order and then... y'know... LINK the order.

    And you scream "I'll believe it when a source I approve of says it?" (HINT: And not the judge's actual order...)

    Bet you would've said the same if Slashdot had posted a Daily Kos article about a judge slamming Bush' DoJ...

    1. Re:Whine much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bet you would've said the same if Slashdot had posted a Daily Kos article about a judge slamming Bush' DoJ...

      Yes, they would have. The Carly Fiorina defense. When backed into a corner, caught in one of her blatent lies, she'd just accuse the person of working from the Trump or Clinton playbook.

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    2. Re:Whine much? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow... did I strike a nerve?

      Why no Carly - I see you are still trying to shift shit around though. You do realize that your post is exactly what I posted about.

      Because NEITHER of you complained when slashdot posted articles from Daily Kos and just happily lapped it up like the kool-aid drinkers you are.

      There's a search button... it works.

      Because I have no idea of the specific posts you are referring to. But yeah, you see, you even tried to discount my opinion by accusing me of "lapping it up like the Kool-aid drinker that you ( I ) am". Perfect Carly Fiorina defense.

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  4. The Same OBama DOJ by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whose attorney general Eric Holder waited until after the statute of limitation expired to decide whether or not to prosecute banks, then went to work for the same banks at a 10 million+/ year salary ?

    The same DOJ whose attorney general Loretta Lynch has been doing such a wonderful job on defending constitutional rights like proclaiming she would prosecute anti muslim hate speech in the wake of the San Bernadino attacks, would not prosecute Lois Lerner for abuse of office at the IRS, and will likely let Hillary skate on her violations of national security law ?

    Well I am shocked that attorneys from that DOJ would have ethics violations.

    1. Re:The Same OBama DOJ by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the Democratic Party wonders why Bernie supporters are refusing to do as they're told and get behind Hillary, and why some are threatening to vote for Trump.

    2. Re:The Same OBama DOJ by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      The only people claiming Sanders voters are going to vote for Trump is Trump supporters.

      Sanders voters are more likely to stay home and not vote at all than vote for Trump. I support Sanders, I'd rather cut my testicles off than vote for Trump. Trump'll start WWIII because some foreign leader insulted him. And if he doesn't do that he'll gut the constitution and free speech to make it so people can't insult him. He'd fit right in with the average Arab Dictator.

    3. Re: The Same OBama DOJ by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2
      The difference: Congressional Republicans demanded that Nixon resign. They voted, along with Congressional Democrats, in favor of articles of impeachment. Had Nixon not resigned, he would have been impeached and convicted with support from Democrats and Republicans.

      There wasn't any of the wagon-circling you saw with Clinton or Obama's DOJ, IRS, or EPA chiefs.

      Because Republicans hate us and want us to die... or something.

  5. Disgusting by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lynch and Holder have run the most overtly corrupt (and therefore like most corrupt) DOJ in history.

    I don't care much for Trump but I sure as hell hope he wins at this point because we need someone with the stones to actually look into and prosecute members of the former administration for their misdeeds. I can understand why that isn't a precedent most politicians want to see set, but its the only way we are going to get things cleaned up.

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  6. SpinSpin by Hylandr · · Score: 2

    This post is spinning so fast it's hard to read.

    What was *really* said and which side is in trouble?

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  7. Re:Reliable sources? Give me a break by quantaman · · Score: 2

    So?
    You quote left-wing rags, founded and subsidized by sociopaths and psychopaths, ALL THE TIME!

    I do? Maybe you've looked through my posting history and saw something I'm forgetting but I try to keep my sources pretty respectable. And yes this means I try to avoid citing the HuffPo.

    The Washington Times is not a reliable source of information. I'm sure they report lots of good stories, but if you go to the Washington Times as a primary source it's really hard not to come away with a severely distorted view of events.

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  8. Oh. It's the Birther Judge... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same judge who took (and is still taking!) Orly Taitz' birther case seriously. Really.

    So the deal is that a judge who is so unethical and biased that his decisions are guaranteed to be reversed on appeal still has some power -- before he makes a decision. So he keeps the cases going on and on, throwing around the full power of a federal judge, even though he's a nationally recognized disgrace. Basically if WorldNetDaily had the power to appoint judges, they'd have a hard time topping this clown.

    Why not impeached yet? It would require Congressional action, and his antics draw conservative praise while not actually causing any long-term harm since they'll be overruled. So he's there for life.

  9. Can I ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... just have a buddy take the class and sign my name for attendance?

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  10. Re:Scooped by like everybody by whipslash · · Score: 2

    Yes there are automated aggregators now, including Google. Slashdot still relies entirely on human editors. The main benefit of Slashdot is the discussion, not the speed of breaking stories.

    "Slashdot is not the Wall Street Journal. It is not The New York Times. Slashdot is an informal meeting ground. A town hall. A pub. A bulletin board in the quad on campus. Here people might not properly capitalize a proper noun. They might transpose letters in 'thier'. They might use jargon that isn't in oxford. And all of that is OK with me." -Cmdr Taco https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

    You're welcome to go somewhere else if you want the most up to date breaking stories, but we have decreased the window of old stories drastically since the site changed ownership hands a few months ago. Looking back at comments from 16 years ago though, and not much has changed with the "this isn't breaking news" or "this isn't news for nerds" gripes. Guess it's somewhat of a hobby.