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TV Journalists Try Buying AK-47 On Dark Web, Fail (deepdotweb.com)
An anonymous reader writes: "It was supposed to be a great story about terrorism, uncertainty and the evils of the DarkNet," writes Deep Dot Web, describing an investigative report titled "Fear of Terror -- How Endangered is Germany?" After interviewing security experts, federal investigators, and a survivor of the Paris terrorist attack, a TV news crew in Germany attempted to buy an AK-47 on the dark web -- only to be scammed out of $800. "If he had done a little research he could have known that most weapon dealers on the DarkNet are actually scams," the article points out, adding that German customs officers say they would have intercepted any AK-47 had a delivery been attempted.
Motherboard reported in November that the high number of scams -- some of which are undercover agents -- prompted several dark web markets to stop offering guns altogether, though they suggest the German news crew was trying to recreate the purchases of "disabled" weapons which were then converted back into their original form.
Motherboard reported in November that the high number of scams -- some of which are undercover agents -- prompted several dark web markets to stop offering guns altogether, though they suggest the German news crew was trying to recreate the purchases of "disabled" weapons which were then converted back into their original form.
They think it's real and try the same thing. What fucking kind of dumbasses are pretending to be "journalists" these days? The white house guy is right, they don't know anything. They're like puppies...
A similar meme here in the US: "you can buy a gun on the web without a background check! The horror. Must close that loophole."
Any journalists trying to do this for a story would quickly realize that only is possible if buyer and seller are able/willing to meet physically, otherwise the act of shipping the firearm, which must go through a licensed dealer, gets backgrounds checked. And a physical meetup between individuals is pretty hard to regulate with or without an internet.
First off, what kind of moron would pay $800 for an AK? You can get a MUCH nicer rifle for $800.
Germany.
The kind of moron who feels the need to purchase an untraceable weapon will pay a premium for some POS that can't be tied to him. Serial number ground away? Good - rifling half shot out? Not a problem. The fancy woodwork needs to go - and I prefer blued steel to any shiny shit. Black anodizing is alright - specially if it's aged. The weapon isn't for show, it's for a mission.
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Young dumb journalists. A little research would have clued them in to what goes on in legitimate and illegitimate buying of guns.
isn't $800 a bit much, a few years ago there were lots of rumors you could buy one around Brussels for less than half of that. I certainly hope they cracked down on illegal arms dealers in the meanwhile.
Even in the US a gun registration can make a gun unsuitable or unattainable many crimes. I bet the tradition black markets are safer.
Of course if it were a legal purchase, then paying less would be more likely. Of course the fact that it wasn't so much is a hint that it's a scam. OTOH we may speculate that this was a set up by the media to try to discourage people from buying these things on the net.
Isn't conspiracy hunting fun ;)
There is no background check involved for one individual selling to another in most states. If you're purchasing a firearm (rifle or not) from a gun store, pawn shop, dealer at a gun show etc, anyone who sells guns with an FFL, then there is a background check.
I can corroborate this. I've seen pistols and rifles at yard sales in NH. Pistols are less common than rifles, but you can find them.
This is fine in NH, we don't have a lot of gun violence. If your state is concerned about citizen death, consider disarming the law-abiding ones.
When producers were making the movie Lord of War, they had a scene in warehouse full of AKs. They had actual arms dealers as consultants for the movie (the story is the biography of a real life arms dealer) and they found out it would be cheaper to buy a warehouse full of real AKs than a warehouse full of replicas.
Wow, imagine that, one person agrees to exchange private property with another person for some money. Is that not how a free society, a free economy, works?
Oh, but it was a *GUN* they traded? I'm reminded of a cartoon of three frames. First frame, man with a bat and a bloodied dead person at his feet, an observer to this shouts, "Someone needs to stop this madman!" Second frame, man with a knife and a bloodied dead person at his feet, an observer shouts, "Someone needs to stop this madman!" Third frame, man with a gun and a bloodied dead person at his feet, an observer shouts, "Did you see that? We need to ban guns!"
Oh, but guns are only good for murdering people, right? Is that why police officers carry them? Tell me, if we ban the private sale of firearms who will enforce it and how? I know the answer, it will be police officers carrying guns. If the police officers show up to stop people with guns from exchanging them then how is that going to play out, huh? That's right, dead police officers and guns getting into the hands of murderers.
Guns are good for killing people and that is why people want them. Killing is different than murder because there is such as thing in law as "justifiable homicide". This is why police officers carry guns and this is why law abiding citizens need unrestricted access to them.
This summer I'm taking a history course at the local university. We start with the French Revolution. For centuries the people of France were kept in perpetual slavery by kings and nobles. This was largely possible by keeping the people poor, uneducated, and disarmed. Anyone with a sword, bow, or arrow without the permission of the king would be killed on sight by the mercenaries and soldiers under the employ of the king. The king's rule was brought to a very brutal end when the people stormed the armory and took weapons to be used against the king. The people that took over were unfortunately just a brutal as any king, they were able to rule by terror on the rest of France because they now had the weapons. Next week's lectures will be over how Napolean fucked things up.
People are only free if they are just as well armed as the government. That means being able to buy an AR-15 from some guy in a parking lot with cash.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
Most states don't 'register' guns, and the feds are barred from doing so (other than NFA items).
Worst case, you make the mistake of buying something new from an FFL, use it in a crime & leave it behind. The PD/BATFE will contact the manufacturer to learn which distributor, then which FFL sold it, and a 'quick' search through mounds of paperwork will turn up who it was sold it and you are going to have a bad day.
A used gun sale at an FFL requires a bit of guessing as to which FFL sold it and when, but still can eventually turn up the last FFL sale (in the area).
No need even for the 'black market' though. In most states, private sales are legal to another person (who resides in the state and is legally able to acquire the firearm), and it doesn't take too much effort to find a seller in your state, meet them in a parking lot, show a drivers license to prove residency, hand over cash and, receive the gun and shake hands... this also is the same source that the many a 'throw down gun' has come from.
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TV Journalists Try Buying AK-47 On Dark Web, Fail
Yeah, they are teh suxx0rs alright.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Come to one of the gun shows here in Arizona you can walk in and buy one quite legally.
You can't 'just go down to a gun store and buy an AK-47' in the US, either. Stop repeating this nonsense.
In most European countries, it's pretty easy to purchase illegal firearms, despite strict gun control these things are smuggled in quantity. No need for the dark web, though you kind of have to know where to go and whom to ask, or you'll be scammed just as quickly.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
i sure can.
https://www.google.com/search?...
The Local cabelas have several AK-47's that are modified to be semi-auto on the shelf, and they even have an AR-50 sniper rifle as well as Gen 3 night vision scopes.
I even recently bought a Siaga 12, a semi auto modified version of a full auto 12GA shotgun. Perfect for home defense or even sandblasting when loaded with bird shot and a 30 round drum.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I think that's likely true wherever you go. Guns are everywhere, period.
A proper Russian made or officially licensed AK-47 which supports fully automatic firing? True... it'd take 9-12 months for your NFA paperwork to clear before you could take possession of the rifle.
You can however walk into oodles of gun stores and buy a knock off (AK-47 is probably the most patent infringed firearm in history) or maybe licensed version for a few hundred dollars.
A quick search turns up plenty, take this one which is only a 30 min drive from where I am sitting and the shop looks to close at 8pm today and as an FFL will run a background check on you should you show up to buy it in person.
So yes... you can just go down to the gun store and buy what most people will scream is an AK-47 if they see it: http://i.imgur.com/ueu7x5T.jpg
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Fools, money and the separation of the two...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
They're doing it wrong, mostly. Just go to the "go to place" that exists in every halfway large town and if you have the money, they have the goods.
With 2 weeks advance notice I wouldn't deem it impossible for some of these goons to deliver a strategic bomber, if you told them where to put it...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Now they can try finding love on Craigslist:
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There's a problem all right, but it's not a gun problem. It's a failure to address the real problems (poverty, education, etc), coupled with a 'whitewashing' of the predominate demographic/cultural characteristics of the perpetrators. This is a problem with idiotic Democrats, who seem to think that removing weapons will solve the problem, and this is a problem with Republicans (and Libertarians) that worship rampant capitalism without any checks and balances of social welfare
The general myth that more guns = more violence is not supported by any real-world examination. The only place you can find such claims are in statistically overtweaked research put out by biased sources.
Case in point:
Total murders 1980 - over 20,000. Number of firearms in America - ~170mil. US Population 220mil.
Total Murders 2014 - ~15,000. Number of firearms in America - ~350mil . US Population 320mil.
100 Million more people, 180 million more firearms. 25% less murders.
Arguing that more guns = more murders/violence simply can't be supported, because over the last 35 years that theory has been completely disproven. It's a complete farce, just like the 'Video game and violence' theory, which again is disproved simply by looking at how youth violence has decreased by over 50% since 1990 (FBI), while violent video games have become one of the most profitable entertainment mediums today.
Go look at any of the gun violence sites that plot the incidents on an actual map. You will quickly see that the vast vast majority of gun violence (not suicides) occur in predominately in low-income, low-education areas of large metropolitan regions that are also predominately inhabited by minorities (and of that, predominately black.) Even if you try to point out 'white' states like Nebraska, Oklahoma, or even Minnesota have crime issues, you will still find the above claim regarding the overall demographics to be true.
Suicides are the other 'big lie' by the Anti-Gun crowd. 2/3rd of gun deaths are suicides, but the idea that reducing firearms reduces suicides is not supported. (There is a study out there that says reducing guns reduces gun suicides, but that's like saying removing electricity reduces electrocutions)
In fact, the US has lower or equivalent suicide rates to countries that have strict gun control. Removing guns will just change the method, not the outcome.
Guns are a strawman and the NRA is just a boogieman to a group of people who can't look up basic numbers, understand basic research methods, or think past their organic, probiotic, cave-man, paleo-vegan diet.
Yes, a 'proper' AK. Sure, one can get a semiauto civilian version, but that's not what we're talking about here.
They're not modified to be semiauto - they are semiauto. These are civilian versions - crippled replicas, essentially.
Your comment leads me to believe that you support gun control, if you don't then I'll assume you are playing devil's advocate and I will respond as if you are supporting gun control.
Why do you hate women? Why do you hate the poor? If you support gun control then you must believe these people deserve to be at the mercy of those stronger than them.
Let's set one thing clear, I have little reason to fear being a victim. I am a 6 foot 5 inch tall male in reasonably good physical condition, and thanks to some hand to hand combat training in the US Army I know that there is a very slim portion of the population that can take me down in a fair fight. With that said I also have a .45 caliber pistol to kill those that threaten me at close range and I have a M1 Carbine to make sure no one gets into close range. I believe that anyone that chooses to own weapons like mine should be able to do so without having to obtain permission from the government. That means no identifying documents to show to a dealer, no registry of the sale, and no background check. The main reasons I say there should be no background check is that the only way to enforce a background check is with a registry and registries are a way for the government to declare that they own the weapon and you do not, the other reason why I say this is because if the government believes a person is unfit to own a firearm then they need to be confined. If we confine those deemed unfit to own a firearm then by definition everyone free to walk into a gun store has passed a background check.
Guns level the playing field, it puts me on the same level as the rest of the world. Since I pose no threat I am comfortable with anyone having those firearms. Since things like background checks, mandated training, gun licensing, and any other gun control scheme one might conjure cost money I know that such gun control will inherently disarm the poor.
Features that make a firearm a so called "assault weapon" tend to be those that make them easier and safer to handle. Things like semi automatic actions, standard capacity magazines, forward grips, barrel shrouds, adjustable stocks, etc., etc. not only make them safer but also easier for the disabled. How is a person with one hand supposed to operate a pump action shotgun? A semi automatic would be easy for such people to operate safely. With a prosthetic hand they'd need a forward grip on the gun to operate the action, but having a forward grip is often banned because that is a feature of a so called "assault weapon", as would having a semi automatic action.
Why do you hate the disabled?
I've heard that in Australia a disabled person can get a waiver on banned weapons because of the difficulties I just described. This waiver policy simply destroys any claim that they had about these banned weapons. If these weapons are too dangerous to own for an able bodied person then are they not also too dangerous for a disabled person to own? Is it not possible the weapon could be stolen from them? Or a straw purchase made? What of the disabled poor that want one of these weapons? They are now much more expensive to obtain because they are typically banned, and the person that wants to buy them would need a physician's note.
Firearms do enable a person to kill another at a range greater than that of a bat or knife, and that is precisely why they should be regulated just as much as bats and knives. By which I mean there should be no real regulation at all.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
The difference is a single hold not drilled into the receiver and a couple of parts. You are making it sound like it's a completely different animal. it's not, it is 100% identical with one hole missing and a few parts not installed. Anyone with 10 minutes and a hand drill can make a "replica" into a real thing, because they are the real thing, just not finished.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Anyone with 10 minutes and a hand drill can make a "replica" into a real thing, because they are the real thing, just not finished.
Fascinating, but totally irrelevant. This is a far cry from 'just going down to a gun store and buying an AK-47'.
SO I guess we can just close the book completely on the notion of there being a gun-related problem in the United States. Hooray! The system works! /sarcasm
The article is from Germany, you fucking twit.
Yep! And as we all know, Germany has their own private Internet, not accessible from the United States! So you're 100% correct. /sarcasm
Who did what now?
If they had done a money transfer would it have been any more secure?
The fraud happens, it doesn't matter what currency is used.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Sure, why not? According to the Supreme Court, the public should be allowed to buy any firearm that the military uses.
http://www.constitution.org/2l...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?