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FBI Wants Biometric Database Hidden From Privacy Act (onthewire.io)
Trailrunner7 quotes a report from onthewire.io: The FBI is working to keep information contained in a key biometric database private and unavailable, even to people whose information is contained in the records. The database is known as the Next Generation Identification System (NGIS), and it is an amalgamation of biometric records accumulated from people who have been through one of a number of biometric collection processes. That could include convicted criminals, anyone who has submitted records to employers, and many other people. The NGIS also has information from agencies outside of the FBI, including foreign law enforcement agencies and governments. Because of the nature of the records, the FBI is asking the federal government to exempt the database from the Privacy Act, making the records inaccessible through information requests. From the report: "The bureau says in a proposal to exempt the database from disclosure that the NGIS should be exempt from the Privacy Act for a number of reasons, including the possibility that providing access 'could compromise sensitive law enforcement information, disclose information which would constitute an unwarranted invasion of another's personal privacy; reveal a sensitive investigative technique; could provide information that would allow a subject to avoid detection or apprehension; or constitute a potential danger to the health or safety of law enforcement personnel, confidential sources, and witnesses.'" RT released a similar report on the matter.
before some hackers got a hold of my fingerprints and other stuff...
Dammit. *is a waste of time. Damn first post rush...
Almost good. If you have a background check, and the FBI classifies everything, then your background check will come back clean, when in the past, it would reveal the presence (and some content) of your FBI file. More criminals will be able to get sensitive jobs. How is this a bad thing?
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It is precisely these sort of records that can do us the most mischief - those that government enforcers and some kinds of other interested parties would be most likely to use against us. We must demand to especially see these records and others like them and to be allowed to correct or at least file protest on any that we find inaccurate. In some cases we need to sue against misuse of information voluntarily given in one context in another context in ways never justified against our own interests.
Nice of the FBI to be concerned about our privacy. They're always so thoughtful.
If they get the exemption for that database, what will keep them from migrating all data to that database?
Change.org petitions are also a waste of time. Slacktivism at it's worst.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Citizens of foreign countries will not be happy to find that their information has been shared contrary to their country's laws. Heads can fall.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I think we need to start keeping a database on the people who work for the FBI, and not let them see it.
It seems J. Edgar Hoover is back. The agency is becoming rather power-hungry of late.
It's not their job to push for policy, only implement it. It's fine if they say, "we can do our job better if we have access to X", but to use scare tactics and political pressure to get X is over-stepping their bounds, bordering on McCarthyism.
Table-ized A.I.
Bolded part above is what troubling me
If the biometric is mine, and the records are related to me, I should have the right to check and the right to oversee where those records end up with and who is / are using / checking those records
But as we all already know, our government is marching towards BIG BROTHER TOTALITARIANISM - this is just another attempt by BIG BROTHER to deny us our rights over the records that are basically ours
Kinda sad ... I ran away from a totalitarian regime only to end up into another regime that is gradually turning into totalitarian
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Imagine a mix between Star Trek: the Next Generation and NCIS, where captain Picard send Gibbs team to collect samples and investigate deaths of alien monsters.
I'm not sure I'd call it defeatism, he's saying that these sorts of stories need to be paired with information about a means to address them. If anything, I'd call that optimistic.
It's not a bad idea, we get deluged with stories like this all the time and if we're to have any hope of getting away from this downward spiral at some point we're going to have to learn to respond. change.org isn't completely useless, those petitions do get referenced in the press every once in a while. A whitehouse.gov petition is a little more direct though.
The information in this database needs to have extraction and viewing privilige by the person the data concerns.
Otherwise, there is no way to show that, for instance, the finger and iris scan data in the database actually matches the person it is supposed to correspond to.
Example: I pretend I am some other person; say I am actually an illegal migrant, and I have falsified papers attesting that I am a citizen, but the actual person who's credentials I am using/stealing is alive and well in some distant part of the US. This happens all the time. I do this so that I can be hired for a job that needs biometric data on file. So, I arrive at the site, I give finger prints, they scan my eyeballs, maybe take a cheek swab or blood sample, and booya, I have the job.
Later, I comit some felony, and flee the scene.
The guy who's data I stole with my falsified/stolen paperwork cannot contest that the biometric data on file is not his, because he cannot subpoena the data for verification. There are fingerprints on file, they match the ones at the scene-- obviously he is guilty! (And with how eagerly US prosecutors go after people like this, this is a very real threat.)
If the guy and demand reproduction of the biometric data in the file, he can have the data independently verified by a reputable firm by supplying his own, legitimate biometric data, and show that the data in the database is fraudulent, and cannot possibly be him.
If you want to entertain the Big Brother Totalitarian Despotic Rule chain of thought, there is nothing to stop the FBI from straight up fabricating biometric data for a person they want to use the system against, claim the made up data matches the made up crime they invented, and indict/prosecute an innocent person for purely political reasons.
The supposed issues of disclosing incorrect biometric data and thus disclosing sensitive information incorrectly only happen when the data in the database is *gasp* incorrect.
Rather, the FBI is expecting everyone else to just accept, without question, that the data in the database is legit, citing privacy issues.
Bullshit.
Three fools in a row. For a start, just because you know about it does not mean anyone else does, so informing everyone of a petition, informs them about the problem and gets them started on political activity regarding that action and as they have committed to opposing that, come election time, they are more likely to vote against politicians who cause that problem. Next up, just because you do that one action does not mean it is the only action you will do, gaining that information about that problem, gives you the opportunity to do more and many will, depending upon how important they deem that problem to be. Numbers at election time count and how you get those numbers is all down to communicating issues and getting people to support those issues and everyone tracks those numbers because they do make a difference.
All political activism counts, no matter how little, and when main stream media pushes the corporate line 24/7/365, then every single possible alternate method of informing the public and seeking to gain their support is important and presenting them with petitions and getting the to read them and getting them to think about them and make a decision about them is very important, especially considering the alternate message is empty main stream media pseudo celebrity worshipping bullshit and the lie that you should never discuss politics because it hurts people feelings, pretty scummy lie that one.
To be clear, families should discuss political policy at the dinner table because political policy affects all of them (see promoting that whilst it does not seem like much will make a major change, as long as they do it). Note, only political policy should be discussed and most definitely no rah rah barrack for your side, because that is stupid, politicians have time and time again have proven they can not be trusted, so do not barrack for them or the parties that prop them up, only support those policies that you share.
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It's a little known fact, but the FBI is considering changing its name to "Government Enforcement Streamlined To Aid Police Officers".
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Next Generation Identification System (NGIS), and it is an amalgamation of biometric records accumulated from people who have been through one of a number of biometric collection processes.
Like Google's Project Abacus on Android phones. (You laugh; just wait.)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
"FBI Wants Biometric Database Hidden From Privacy Act"
And I want the various members of the FBI to read the US Constitution, and anyone who snorts or giggles during or immediately after doing so to be summarily banned from being a part of that organization.
Nothing like classified inaccessible ones to protect against false-positives, misidentification, or their much less accidental abusive relatives...
There seem to be three different elements to this story:
1) What is the data being held? Is is merely the biometric' - i.e. what they would get if they took bits of me from me / photographs of me, or is it an awful lot more?
2) Who is the data being held about? The fact that the FBI has data about X means that at some point they've got that biometric data about X from somewhere. How they got it may be significant, that they have it may indicate that there's a human source collecting the nail clippings...
3) Who has access to this when? The most basis element - the biometric - must be available in the case of a disputed identification issue. It's the stuff beyond that that's the problem.
Part of the issue here is that the FBI is part police force, part intelligence agency. Having the same database for those different functions will tend to end in tears. The UK separation of MI5 from the police makes for a clearer distinction. Similarly the UK Data Protection Act gives subject access to anyone to obtain and challenge the facts that the POLICE hold about you - though certain information 'held for the prevention of crime' can be redacted.
It seems likely that the FBI will use this to hide data that they shouldn't have. We need to see a grand jury empanelled to investigate data abuse at the FBI and elsewhere as a criminal case. This would be on the basis of the laws used to bring federal charges against people who escaped prosecution for racist murderers in the past: 'deprivation of civil rights'. Any bets on that happening?
"disclose information which would constitute an unwarranted invasion of another's personal privacy"
It's only okay for the feds to unwarrantedly invade one's privacy.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
I've worked at the FBI Data Center in WV, and worked requirements on NGI.
One point you rarely hear, is that the FBI has limited rights to much of the data in their system. It is (mostly) provided to the FBI by state, tribal, and territorial agencies, all of which have separate and specific caveats on the use of the biometric data. The only data the FBI **DOES** own, is that supplied by Federal and Defense agencies.
While I never worked a FOIA claim while at FBI, consider a case where the data on a given individual comes from multiple sources. Each one would have to sign off on the FOIA release, or provide a reason why it was withheld, prior to releasing a FOIA package back to the requestor.
For other data, this is what I recall is stored (in general) at NGI
1. Fingerprint records, either scanned from 10-print cards, or directly captured via a capture device.
2. "Hand Geometry": i.e. palm lines, finger lengths, any trauma such as scarring or amputation.
3. Scars, Marks, and Tattoos: markings plainly visible, primarily on the face, head, or neck, and on the hands and arms. Don't recall if leg data was included.
4. Facial geometry (i.e. face recognition) may or may not be there. It was mentioned when I was working on the requirements team in 2005, but I wasn't working that area. Suspect it's there now, but I have no gauge of certainty on it.
All of the above is linked to an individual. The individual is then linked to records in the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database, with history, priors (if any), known associates, etc,
When a query goes in to the system (I'm familiar with the old "IAFIS" system, that just did fingerprints. . .) it matched the submitted prints to those in the databases (there was an algorithm and check-sums involved, as I recall. . .). and then reported back with all the NCIC data on the suspect.
Mind you, ALL of this is 9+ years old, and from memory. . .
This "proposal" is open to public comment folks, so be sure to go add your voice to whether you think the FBI creating another secret database of your information, which you can't correct or update, is a good idea or not.
https://www.federalregister.go...
A better way to think of it is that NGIS is not a database: it is an internet of existing databases. You create a query with credentials, the query is structured according to modern-ish web standards, it's distributed to all the databases, and the results are amalgamated into a response. The data at no time leaves the original databases, it's just a new way to query them all at once.
The FBI hasn't have control of fall the data. No agency has control of all the data. They are all just doorways to a big pool of data, some of which they might control. And all of those agencies have completely different regulations.
They are not part of the CIA,NSA or the 'Star Chamber'
You'll find them in the middle of the list.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Bull and shit.
Most people just sign it and they're done. And often the petition is so one-sided it's stupid. Or full of misinformation, like wanting to boycott GMO foods because Frankenfood.
Commitment from petition signers? You are so naive. Look at the million people who said they were going to boycott target over their trans-friendly bathroom policy. They're not even following through. They're still shopping at Target (and if they did boycott places with trans-friendly bathroom policies, they'd also be boycotting Walmart, McDonalds, and most national chains).
"Numbers at election time count" is another lie. Voters count. People who actually vote, not people who just sign petitions. You really want to change things, you ignore the politicians and go through the courts. Why suck up for something that can be changed by the next person elected when you can get a judge to tell them F.U. ? Petitions are for wimps who don't even have the guts to do protests because they might get arrested.
I have zero respect for petitions. Action speaks louder than words. Picket, protest, run against the incumbents, sue. Those are actions that earn respect (plus they're all an absolute blast to do).
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I gave change.org a big f.u. because it simply is not the motivator for the changes that do occur, despite what the petition starters like to claim. I got sick and tired of continuous updates that were meaningless. "Oh, we met with so-and-so politician." BFD. Did anything change? No? Then don't waste my time.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
So who's the real slacker here?
Not me. I've lead protests, I've been in other protests, I've picketed, I've run for office. Plus meeting with various politicians to discuss issues, which rates far below the other things I've named, and barely above starting a petition on-line.
Electronic petitions aren't worth the paper they're written on. Can't even use them to line a bird cage.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.