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Mark Zuckerberg Is Dictator Of Facebook Nation; There's No Democracy Online: The Pirate Bay Founder (cnbc.com)

Facebook CEO and co-founder Mark Zuckerberg is the "dictator" of "the biggest nation in the world," says Peter Sunde, co-founder of the controversial website The Pirate Bay. Sunde, who appeared at The Next Web conference on Friday, added that there is "no democracy" online. From a CNBC report: "People in the tech industry have a lot of responsibilities but they never really discuss these things... Facebook is the biggest nation in the world and we have a dictator, if you look at it from a democracy standpoint, Mark Zuckerberg is a dictator. I did not elect him. He sets the rules," Sunde said. "And really you can't opt out of Facebook. I'm not on Facebook but there are a lot of drawbacks in my offline world. No party invitations, no updates from my friends, people stop talking to you, because you're not on Facebook. So it has real life implications."

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  1. Dictator??? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not obliged to use Facebook. If people want to sell their brains to Mark Zuckerberg, that's their right, but it's hardly a dictatorship in any meaningful use of the word. When we're all forced at gunpoint to use Facebook, then the article may have a point.

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    1. Re:Dictator??? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I also don't use Facebook, but an increasing number of companies use it as their primary online presence (not surprising, as its primary purpose is a marketing platform, with a social network along the side). I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the sole contact mechanism for various companies over the next couple of years, which will make remaining off the system harder.

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    2. Re:Dictator??? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Actual companies have their own web sites.

      Sure, but they do all their marketing on Facebook, and all their recruiting on LinkedIn. Nobody goes to "websites" anymore.

    3. Re:Dictator??? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Everybody goes to web sites. Nobody goes to a company's Facebook account.

      You might want to check with your grandchildren about that.

    4. Re: Dictator??? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Which applies to all websites, even Slashdot. Some may opt for more open rules, some for less. If a site is too restrictive for you, then go find one more to your liking.

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    5. Re:Dictator??? by akozakie · · Score: 2

      Exactly. I don't have a FB account. That doesn't really make anything difficult. It's even getting easier, as companies start realizing that FB-only online presence requiring an account is too limiting. Two years ago things were looking more bleak - everyone was moving to FB and many pages were blocked from non-logged in users.

      And a word of advice. If people stop talking to you because you don't have a facebook account... Great! Nice friend-filter. Why would you wan't to talk to people who do that?

    6. Re:Dictator??? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      It's getting harder every day to not use it. I would be with you if Facebook didn't have such a big impact in our lives as it has already. Of course because we collectively let it do so, but in the end, the individual has little recourse.

      Increasingly webpages use some kind of "Facebook login" process. You want to join them, you need to have a Facebook profile. They outsourced the "hassle" of user management. And simply shrugging and forgoing using them works only if you're not involved in media or PR issues or have to find contractors online for work. Also more and more bosses want to see a Facebook profile before hiring you and not having one is seen as "odd". Got something to hide that we can't see your Facebook profile? Because it's just so unfathomable that you don't have one.

      That thing is creeping deeper and deeper into our lives, whether you like it or not. Even whether you use it or not. And not using it makes you more and more of a pariah. Because "why didn't you come to the party, everyone was there, I posted it on Facebook for all my friends" is only the start.

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    7. Re:Dictator??? by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That rather nicely proved his point.

      I deleted my facebook account. Best thing I ever did.

      All Facebook really does is provide a place for everyone to go to have your conversations overheard by the entire world.

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  2. Boo freakin' hoo. by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And really you can't opt out of Facebook. I'm not on Facebook but there are a lot of drawbacks in my offline world. No party invitations, no updates from my friends, people stop talking to you, because you're not on Facebook. So it has real life implications.

    So start your OWN free-to-users social media platform. Figure out how to pay for that mammoth infrastructure and operations overhead while making it perfect for users like you who want nothing to do with any system that involves advertising or user profiles - and you'll have a millions of users instantly. It will be fascinating to see how you solve the problem that people at Google, Microsoft, and other fly-by-night operations haven't been able to solve (specifically, making people like you happy while not having the platform run at a financial loss).

    If you actually care about social event invitations, etc., just set up a FB account, tell it to drop notifications to a burner mailbox, and never sign in using your normal every day browser sessions. Need to look at it? Fire up an incognito sessions, socially interact for 10 minutes so you don't miss that party you're whining about, then kill the session an go back to focusing on running that content piracy web site you're trying to keep alive.

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  3. No party invitations? by r_jensen11 · · Score: 2

    I understand that with the exception of major-life events (e.g. weddings), good-old-fashioned written invitations have largely gone the way of the dodo, but most parties I've gone to have been word-of-mouth invitations. Either Sunde is overestimating his sans-Facebook popularity or he needs to reassess the (and possibly revert to the pre-Facebook-era) definition of "friend." Last I checked, it means something other than "acquaintance."

  4. Facebook as a Dictatorship? by KermodeBear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me know the next time Facebook:

    Takes your property without your consent.
    Prohibits you from leaving.
    Stops you from saying what you wish to say.
    Threatens your livelihood or your life.
    Throws you in jail without a trial.
    Forces you to interact with it against your will.
    Executes your entire family for a political view.

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    1. Re:Facebook as a Dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Literally only two things you listed are things they don't already do:

      Throws you in jail without a trial. (unless you count an account suspension as jail)
      Executes your entire family for a political view.

    2. Re:Facebook as a Dictatorship? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sunde's point probably is that Facebook has grown too large and have tentacles into everything, either directly or by buying up startups. Facebook's "gift of internet" to the poor in India that ended up locking in everyone in their walled garden is one example.

      Within that walled garden (which is getting bigger and bigger) they do censor posts and people. They also prohibits you from leaving (as in erasing every information they have about you). As their tentacles dig deeper (or Facebook gets more successful, pick your view) being on their damned platform seems to be more and more important for certain jobs/roles.

      And finally, they certainly DO force me to interact with them. Their fucking scripts and like-buttons are everywhere. I get that it is the businesses that chose to include that near-malware shit in their apps/on their web pages is responsible for being dumb, but that shit would not be there hadn't Facebook grown so large.

      While I get that Facebook does whatever is good for Facebook, just like an amoeba does what is good for an amoeba, it does not mean it is good for the Internet/host of the amoeba. Competition and choice is awesome. Open standards are even better. Gardens without walls are great. Fuck Facebook (and Google).

      Now, where are the barricades? I have a pitchfork to lift over my head while yelling something incomprehensible.

  5. Can't opt out of Facebook? Please... by anegg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know lots of people who don't use Facebook, and we all get along just fine. However, we are of an age where we still remember how to make phone calls, send invitations via mail (e-mail or USPS), and make plans in advance for what we are going to do.

    Are friends really friends if they neglect you in their social life just because you don't use a particular on-line social media platform? I'm truly wondering on this question, because I don't hang around in social circles where this is required. What do those who do think?

  6. Facebook is a Natural Monopoly by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So start your OWN free-to-users social media platform. Figure out how to pay for that mammoth infrastructure and operations overhead while making it perfect for users like you who want nothing to do with any system that involves advertising or user profiles - and you'll have a millions of users instantly.

    It doesn't work that way. Unfortunately, Facebook is a natural monopoly--the network effects are massive and capture the market, and while the infrastructure cost of entering the market is relatively low, the user acquisition cost when competing against them becomes massive. No effective competitor has emerged in a decade. They are practically a utility and real consideration should be given to at least a certain level of regulation for such reasons as consumer privacy, accountability, and limiting the potential for abuse of market power. The current generation of regulators will not see that, but give it ten or fifteen years.

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  7. Real friends by Aethedor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No party invitations, no updates from my friends, people stop talking to you, because you're not on Facebook.

    Perhaps you should try to find some real friends then.

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  8. It's not that bad not being a part by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People tell me that I am the last human on earth who is not signed up. I tell them I have enough things wasting my time without it. Sure, I don't know where my high school classmates are shitting this afternoon, or which starbucks beverage is the favorite amongst my cousin's colleageus, but I am fully certain that I can live without that information. In the outside chance that anything of any value is posted there, plenty of people I know in the real world can tell me about it.

    I have a real world to experience, thank you.

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  9. Hello Captain Obvious by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook is a big data corporation aimed at monetizing your personal information.. Of course it's going to be a dictatorship. Since when are corporations not dictatorships? They want to tell people how to think, feel, and believe.