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Canada's Energy Superpower Status Threatened As World Shifts Off Fossil Fuel (www.cbc.ca)

Robson Fletcher, reporting for CBC News: Canada's status as an "energy superpower" is under threat because the global dominance of fossil fuels could wane faster than previously believed, according to a draft report from a federal government think-tank obtained by CBC News. "It is increasingly plausible to foresee a future in which cheap renewable electricity becomes the world's primary power source and fossil fuels are relegated to a minority status," reads the conclusion of the 32-page document, produced by Policy Horizons Canada. "It's absolutely not pie in the sky," said Michal Moore from the University of Calgary's School of Public Policy. "These folks are being realistic -- they may not be popular, but they're being realistic." Marty Reed, CEO of Evok Innovations -- a Vancouver-based cleantech fund created through a $100-million partnership with Cenovus and Suncor -- had a similar take after reading the draft report.

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  1. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You need to know the definitions of censorship before you cry about it.

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  2. Doesn't really matter. by johnnys · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter. The world will always need hydrocarbons, so they will always be valuable. They are needed for plastics, chemicals and all kinds of useful things besides fuel.

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  3. Hydroelectric? by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have more hydroelectricty than we can use... Does this not qualify as renewable energy?

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    1. Re:Hydroelectric? by c · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We also have massive amounts of uranium, just in case the whole renewable energy thing doesn't work out so well.

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  4. Re:Canada? Superpower status? by iONiUM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suppose it depends on your definition of "superpower." From the wikipedia article, Canada's GDP is 10th in the world, and 15th per capita (nominal). It's a first world nation with a very high HDI. It's also a member of the G7 nations, which represent 64% of the world's wealth.

    I think one thing people overlook is that Canada has a massive treasure trove of natural resources and a very good setup for a modern economy (good income equality, good infrastructure). This combined with a high rate of immigration means the population is growing and companies will flourish (ideally). But, you never know. Resources are 20% of the GDP of Canada (http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/key-facts/16013) so if that all went away at once it'd be a huge problem. I doubt it would go down like that though.

  5. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Voicing my opinion that AGW is a scam will result in my post being censored to -1. If AGW were real, there would be no need to censor dissenting views; the facts would prove the point far better than any moderation.

    Around here, we tend to be okay with dissenting views, as long as you provide evidence or interesting reasoning that poses new questions. When your post gets modded down, it will be because we're still waiting for you to provide either of those things....

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  6. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your comment has zero evidence or claims to back it up simply a statement of what you believed and a claim that you'd be downvoted which you equated to censorship. In fact, the only moderation to your comment so far has been +3 interesting. It sounds like you have a bit of a persecution complex.

  7. Disruptive technologies and the S curve. by Layzej · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're going to wean ourselves off fossil fuels faster than anyone thinks? I'm not sure how that's going to happen.

    According to Bloomberg Business, "Electric Cars Could Wreak Havoc on Oil Markets Within a Decade"

    Conventional energy will be obsolete by 2030 according to Swedbank: there are four key categories of technologies all of which are improving by double and triple digit basis every year. Each one of them is disruptive in it's own way.

    1. Re:Disruptive technologies and the S curve. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like I said, it's inevitable that the oil market shrinks, but that video didn't address the areas where electricity isn't practical. Neither did the paper. The speaker asserts that "all new vehicles will be electric by 2025. What about vehicles that regularly need to travel more than 300 miles? There are still a lot of those, and he never addresses those points. I agree with a lot of his analyses, but not his conclusions, and I think his timelines are a bit optimistic as well. The notion of your house and car being able to transfer energy on demand (both ways) was sort of an interesting idea, though, and one I hadn't heard before. But again, I think his timeline of 2030 is a decade too early at a minimum. Infrastructure changes *very* slowly, so I think you'll see a slow transition over decades rather than a quick switch, as he seems to be promising.

      About three-quarters of what gets refined from every barrel goes to transportation needs. Some of that is cars, but planes, trains, and trucks fall into those categories, and electricity won't work for all of those. Gasoline apparently accounts for 43% of the market, so let's assume those can ALL be replaced by EVs (which I think is optimistic as well) for argument's sake.

      That's a good start, but what replaces the other half of the current oil market? We're still going to need some sort of hydrocarbon-based fuel to fuel planes, power ships, and drive long haul vehicles until some miracle energy source replaces it, or until we're generating so much excess electricity that we can afford to use that excess to create synthetic or alternative fuels with it. And that doesn't even address the other uses for oil which are non-transportation. In the near future, it seems more likely that we're going to struggle building capacity for the massively increased demand for electricity as we transition from gas-powered cars to EVs.

      At the moment, I think it's wildly optimistic for anyone to assume the oil industry isn't going to still have a very long lifespan ahead of it, even if in a reduced capacity.

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  8. Hockey-based renewable energy by Event+Horizon · · Score: 5, Funny

    For Canada, there's a simple solution: Hockey-based renewable energy. It's simple.

    1) Embed neodymium magnets in hockey pucks.
    2) Run coils through hockey ice.
    3) Play hockey as usual.
    4) Profit.

    Moving puck induces current in coils, sufficient to cover Canada's energy needs and allow Canada to continue as a new energy exporter until, and maybe after, cold fusion.

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  9. Finally wakey wakey time for Alberta? by dstyle5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've lived in Alberta for close to 20 years now and the PC government's failure to attempt (to my knowledge) to diversify the economy has reared its head again in the latest bust cycle in the oil and gas industry. Perhaps something like this report, coupled with the low commodity prices will finally wake up the provincial government that its time to actively support other industries here. BC gives tax credits to TV and film production companies and they had a banner year in 2015. I believe Quebec gives tax breaks to game companies and Ubisoft, for example, has a huge number of employees in Montreal.

    I work at a software dev company who has no oil and gas ties or customers, and surprise surprise, we are doing well during the downturn here. There is no guarantee of course but if the governments had spent some time, effort and petro dollars into trying to build and attract new industries here it probably wouldn't be quite as bad now as it is.

  10. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by bravecanadian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a suspect phrase: "cheap renewable electricity".

    It will only be "cheaper" by boosting the prices for all other types of electricity.

    Boosting by attempting to properly price the complete costs of existing sources of energy to include all their current externalities?

  11. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    ^

    Even though I staunchly support freedom of speech, part of the first amendment in the US also means you have freedom of association. That means that a private organization can squelch whatever speech they want so long as it's within their own domain. Censorship is only when somebody who is within a public domain or are outside of a domain that you control is curtailing your speech while you are in said domain.

    Because slashdot is neither a public domain, nor a domain that you control, then nothing anybody can do to you can be considered censorship.

  12. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it takes a generation or two to transition to electric vehicles, we are screwed. I think it will probably take one generation. By about 2025 they will be as cheap to buy as petrol cars and much, much cheaper to run. The second hand market will also have taken off.

    The real tipping point is closer than you think. It's not when 90% of vehicles are not using fossil fuels, it's when demand starts to fall significantly enough that it has a major financial impact on Canada and other countries currently doing quite well out of them.

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  13. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not necessarily. As supplies eventually wane, the price of crude may actually skyrocket, and savvy investors could make a killing. Demand is still going to be there. Are we going to have realistic alternatives for technologies that require hydrocarbon-based fuel, like airliners? The ones we're building *right now* will undoubtedly still be in service in 20-30 years.

    Besides, people have been predicting the death of the oil industry since the 50's, and it's always been "20 years out". I guarantee you that twenty years from now, someone else will also be predicting the end of oil "20 years from now". No one is foolish enough to believe oil supplies will last forever, but we've certainly managed to skirt past peak-oil predictions by almost half a century so far. If that track record holds true, I'd say the oil industry is going to be around for another half century at least, until it's eventually no longer economical to drill for natural oil, at which point everyone will turn to biofuel or synthetics, I suppose.

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  14. Nice editing by Comboman · · Score: 5, Informative

    a Vancouver-based cleantech fund

    Another 'company' with everything to benefit from x going away by declaring 'X is dead' 'fossil fuels are on the way out' Sick of this "x is dead' shit.

    Nice bit of editing there. The full quote is:

    a Vancouver-based cleantech fund created through a $100-million partnership with Cenovus and Suncor

    In case you don't know, Cenovus and Suncor are major producers of dirty Canadian tar-sand oil. So a more accurate assessment would be:

    Another company with everything to lose by declaring fossil fuels are on the way out is hedging its bets.

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  15. Re:Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because a private organization can censor speech within its domain, doesn't mean that it's not censorship.

    And a private legally censoring opinions is just a morally and ethically objectionable as is a government censoring opinions.

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  16. The future is ALWAYS a threat. Get over it. by RubberDogBone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The future is and has always been a goddamn threat. People hate change. Which is ironic because change is one thing people cannot control.

    Here's the real deal about the future of fossil fuels, and cars in particular. It's sobering. Sit down.

    Electric cars make sense for a lot of people, and as a second car for a lot of other people. So they -and hybrids like the Bolt and Prius- will continue to spread. As we transition to electric cars, we are also transitioning to automated driving. This is going to be the huge hit, the asteroid that kills dinosaurs.

    Automated cars will be more fuel (battery or fossil fuels, it won't matter) efficient by taking the most direct route from place to place and coordinating with other cars to avoid the need for sitting at traffic lights. This means they will bypass all those places people used to stop on the way. Food outlets, gas stations stores, all sorts of impulse stores are screwed. People won't bother to direct the automated driver to stop. Hell they might even drive by asleep! A LOT of roadside businesses will whither and die.

    At the same time automated driving spreads, a lot of fast food places will be installing robotic workers. Between restaurants going out of business and robots replacing people, there is going to be MASSIVE unemployment at the bottom of the workforce.

    Automated cars won't crash nearly as much, so body shops and towing services will go out of business too. Electric cars also break down a lot less and when they do, they'll need specialized support, so independant mechanics will also go out of business, or at least have a lot less work.

    With accidents down, the auto insurance business will take a huge hit as people no longer have accidents and consequently need less insurance and pay less premiums. A lot of insurance agents will go unemployed.

    With fewer crashes, highway deaths and injuries will have a huge decline, putting hospitals at risk if they rely upon auto trauma to fund their operations.

    Cities and towns accustomed to writing a lot of traffic tickets will find automated cars won't break nearly as many traffic laws, so revenue will plummet. Many of these places count on speeding ticket revenue and DUI fine revenue to fund the town operations. They're facing a calamity as the money dries up. Tax increases are inevitable.

    So the decline of oil is just one change coming. The changes to society from automated driving and the coming ridiculous unemployment will make the decline of oil look like nothing.

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  17. Re: Canada gets screwed by the AGW scam by BlackSabbath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...Fossil fuels have enabled civilization to progress more in the last 150 years or so they've been in use, than in all of man's history..."

    A similar assertion could have been made for slavery. However that's not a valid reason alone to keep it.