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True Desktop Class Nvidia GTX 10-Series Cards Coming To Notebooks In Few Months (pcgamer.com)
If you're in the market for a new gaming notebook, you might want to consider waiting a few months. PCGamer blog, citing its sources, report that Nvidia plans to release its new 10-series chips for notebooks. From the report: The kick is, they won't be M versions of desktop GPUs. They will be the same chips used on the desktops, just operating at a lower TDP -- we're told there will be the same number of shader units, etc. We're also told that Nvidia will not go back to producing separate M versions of its desktop GPUs, which is good news for those looking for better gaming performance on the road or in a desktop replacement type notebook.
I always hated that term. Makes it sound like its only good for taking notes when it can in fact do far more.
I am aware of the fact that it's a marketing term coined to avoid getting sued for perpetuating the idea that you can leave the thing on your lap, switched on for days at a time with no adverse health effects.
If I want to play video games, I'll play on my gaming PC.
More nVidia People's Democratic Republic of Gamers laptops that die after 6 weeks because they overheat while running 16-color operating systems.
true laptop class cards coming to desktop. marketing! *jazzhands*
The 1070, which will be out later this month, consumes the same amount of power as a the card it's replacing, the 970.. But is faster than the very fastest GPU from the same gen as the 970, the titan X.
Nvidia has realized better efficiency is the path to better products. Thermal overhead (which is a function of power consumption )and power consumption is the limiting factor on many of these new cards. Lower power also means more profit - Less money spent on cooling and power, simpler designs.
Looks like they've done the job so well that they don't need to make custom mobile parts for mobile. Just let the laptop make set a thermal budget and off you go.
Apple won't be able to put M-version nVidia GPUs in their computers anymore. And with Skylake having less powerful integrated graphics than Haswell, they'll have no choice but to use these new nVidia GPUs for their Macs.
Although I'm sure they'll prove me wrong in a few months.
Who the hell cares if its mobile or not if the core is still significantly underperforming in use? I'll wait for benchmarks (yeah, they can be played, but better than nothing) to see if there's any material difference in performance.
I don't know about the rest of you, but gaming in my home office raises the temperature of the room. I can't imagine what that would do in a laptop with significantly smaller operating space. My guess is that the 'desktop class' chip would have to be heavily crippled to perform without melting the bottom of the laptop off.
Bye!
Since a laptop has a user breathing constantly on it, it effectively has a much more powerful fan than any desktop.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Why are they making and selling chips that gobble down the juice and roast the insides of desktop systems?
I mean, really? I can see liquidating old stock, but if the new chips and designs are just as powerful for less juice, why not incorporate across the whole line?
Considering that AMD has demoed 40W chips more powerful than the GTX 950, and is going to price them presumably better, I'd wait for AMD.
For those not paying attention, the only market segment in Windows computers that's selling well right now are gaming laptops and desktops.
The fact is, the video game industry is one that eclipses Hollywood in dollars spent. It's here to stay and increasingly, it's becoming a mainstream pastime for the general public. Obviously, the dedicated consoles are a big piece of the gaming pie (and heck, that's been true since the days of the Atari 2600). But there's so much more you can do with a keyboard and a mouse, coupled to a system with a lot of memory and disk storage space.
In recent years though, a laptop/notebook/ultrabook/whatever meant you had sub-standard 3D graphics capabilities. Even the most expensive discreet graphics added to your laptop put you in the category of, "Yes... you can now actually PLAY the new game titles, but only with reduced detail levels and other compromises, or frame rates will really suffer." That's not exactly compelling.
The new chips from both nVidia and ATI are basically 2 generations ahead of what's been available. You're getting a big performance leap AND better pricing. I'm thinking this is exactly what Apple needs to use to get its product line back up to par (since it uses mobile GPUs even in its iMac desktops), and what will stimulate the PC industry as a whole.
There's no reason to have to settle for console gaming if this hurdle is taken out of the way.
Where the hell is my PCIe out for strapping an external GPU instead of the shitty, overpriced thunderbolt? It could provide an easy, manufacturer independent and ubiquitous docking. Even (overpriced) SSDs are on PCIe rails now. Getting an overpriced desktop card for a laptop and running it at a half performance has been everyone dream? People have been hacking PCIe outputs for GPU for years now but non of the large companies can provide x16 + x4 or x8 output for docking? Looking at a size of Thunderbolt connector there is no doubt in my mind they could reasonably easily pull it off. I find lack of progress in this particular area very suspicious because it would destroy desktop sales with an exception for extremely low end and high end applications. Probably almost completely destroy "high end" laptop market as well.
I would be very happy if these would end up in the next iteration of the MacBook Pro. Having the Oculus Rift work on an Apple machine (when Oculus resumes its work on an OS X and releases an SDK) would spare me the extra cost of buying a PC. I hope to set up a VR rig within 12 months and my 2011 MacBook Pro is eligible for replacement; I hope to combine these two.
Wenn ist das Nunstueck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
same number of shader units
good news for those looking for deep learning on the road
CPUs and GPUs are binned. They test each one which comes out of manufacturing. The ones which by pure luck (fewer impurities, cleaner etchings) can operate at a lower voltage (and thus draw less power) get binned as laptop parts. The rest of them become desktop parts.
It's not like they can manufacture these lower power consumption chips at will. The manufacturing process dictates that by pure change x% will be suitable for laptop use, leaving 100-x% for desktop use.
Then I'm sold out for the very idea.... Caaa... tsching.....!
Yields. Only the best chips will run at say, 0.7 volts vs 0.9.
Back when laptops were bricks and battery life was counted in minutes, not hours.
Pascal must run A LOT cooler/lower power than Maxwell to not need a special M variant, or they're underclocking it to hell.