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IT Layoffs At Insurance Firm Are A 'Never-Ending Funeral' (computerworld.com)

dcblogs quotes a report from Computerworld: The IT layoffs at MassMutual Financial Group will happen over a period of many months, and it's going to be painful for employees. Employees say they are training overseas workers via web conferencing sessions. There are contractors in the office as well, some of whom may be working on temporary H-1B visas. Employees say they notice more foreign workers in the hallways. Approximately 100 employees are affected. The employees are angry but can't show it. A loss of composure, anything other than quiet acquiescence, means risking two weeks of severance pay for each year on the job. But maintaining composure is hard to do. "I know a few people that are probably close to a breakdown," said one IT employee. [A second IT employee described the emotional impact of the layoffs on employees in this way: "It's like a never-ending funeral."] Intel also confirmed major layoffs in April, which will affect some 12,000 employees or 11 percent of its total workforce.

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  1. Re:The most disgusting part.. by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    <sarcasm>But, but, but... regulations are bad. We should let the market decide....</sarcasm>

    Yeah, this falls under the category of C*Os being crooks and lying on their H1B applications. That should result in jail time for everyone involved even tangentially in the decision. Fraud is a felony.

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  2. This is not an IT thing by moorley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I worked 3 contracts for HP.

    Each of them ended the same way. After years of successful operation, and after a few failed attempts, they eventually handed the operations to another group either outsourced or over seas.

    The very core of an IT person is employing automation. We work to handle more than we could before. We build systems and procedures that ensure against failure and allow for our obsolescence.

    I've never minded it.

    But this is no longer an IT thing. Any job can be outsourced and automated.

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  3. Re:This sort of thing is why people like Trump by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Trump keeps saying he'll do something about it.

    Yeah, and what he'll do is expand it. Trump loves the whole H-1B idea, and he's said so repeatedly.

    Trump: “I’m in favor of people coming into this country legally. And you know what? They can have it any way you want. You can call it visas, you can call it work permits, you can call it anything you want...."

    Trump: "We need highly skilled people in this country, and if we can’t do it, we’ll get them in. But, and we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have."

    Trump’s answer during the Megyn Kelly interview was consistent with his answer during the CNBC debate. He said again that Silicon Valley needs highly skilled workers, and showed his support for the H-1B program. Further, he appeared to support employers sponsoring H-1B workers for green cards, saying, “We absolutely have to be able to keep the brain power in this country.”

    Also, he said, “I know the H-1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me. I’m a businessman. These are laws. These are regulations. These are rules. We’re allowed to do it. I will take advantage of it; they’re the laws. But I’m the one that knows how to change it. Nobody else on this dais knows how to change it like I do, believe me.”

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  4. Re:The most disgusting part.. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "But how to fix it? Make it illegal to outsource offshore? Or even outsource in-shore?"

    Eliminate the whole H-1B visa peonage category. If you want to come to the US to work, come as a regular immigrant. Let there be just one category of immigration, starting with getting a permanent resident visa. This benefits you as an immigrant, because it gives you same rights everyone else has, including being able to complain without being shipped back by your overseer, and puts you on the same basis as other workers in your area.

  5. You can't compete by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With India. You just can't. Their quality of life is so much lower and they have so many desperate people. I can't compete with people who lack clean air, water and food security unless I give up those things.

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  6. Mass Quit Together, Unionize, Make it Painful by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on guys, fight fire with fire! Everyone walk together! Everyone! Maybe even leave a few fires burning, not that you caused any. Get together and agree on your severance package and demands present it to the company as a group. Make it painful.

    They can't do this easily without you. Make them give you a golden parachute.

    Folks, we are Americans! Our forefathers sailed the oceans on wooden ships the size of school bus. We are hearty, tough, and are not to be trifled with.

    We have to stop getting trampled. This is not who we are.

    Get together. Stand together. Fight the man together.

    Take it to social media.

    Blog it.

    Make noise.

    These jerks are taking your jobs and your livelihoods. If this company wants to move to India, let them go sell their shit in India, but make sure another American doesn't do business with them.

    Make sure TRUMP spouts their name at his rallies and what a disgrace this company is to the USA.

    Look outside your tunnel. Get your friends involved. It is time to man up and bring it!

    And it would be a total shame if you put up a kickstarter page to help you all stick together through this.

    Maybe a sympathetic hacking group would get involved to create mayhem until you are able to get back in the saddle.

    It is time to drop the hammer and get tough. They do not tell you what you get as severance, you tell them. You are not a dog being fed scraps.

    Knowledge is power. Don't go gently into that dark night!

  7. Re:This sort of thing is why people like Trump by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a larger point to be made here.

    Let's review our basic civics classes from back in elementary school and ask ourselves the test question. "What are the three branches of American government?"

    Then let's ask ourselves which branch of government makes laws and provides for funding of issues like monitoring Muslims, building Walls, deporting 11 million people, kicking the fuck out of ISIS, changing tax laws, or even making America great again?

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  8. Keep telling yourselves unions are bad... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, they're the only thing that has ever worked against a bunch of asshat employers.

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  9. Re:The most disgusting part.. by forty-2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This will continue to happen until it is a dangerous practice. Dangerous on a personal level. It continues to amaze and disappoint me that there aren't more (any?) stories of high ranking executives and officers being found mysteriously disemboweled.
    "Gee wiz, I really would like to outsource this entire department to shitfuckastan, and find the carrot juuuuust big enough to keep the staff here to train their replacement, but I sure am worried about my entire family being slowly murdered and eaten in front of me when I get home"
    I know that's not actually how the world works, but a boy can dream.

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  10. Re: This sort of thing is why people like Trump by ogdenk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    She was a big supporter of TPP until she flipped recently for the purpose of vote whoring. She'll flip again. Her and her husband supported that whole "Clipper Chip" fiasco and she is clearly anti-encryption. She supports criminalizing "hate speech". She supported CA's draconian 3-strikes BS. She absolutely hates the 2nd amendment. She's stated in the past that she'd happily engage in gun confiscation given half a chance.

    Basically, she's an anti-liberty statist who has absolutely no qualms against screwing over anyone and everyone when it's convenient for her.

    And don't think I'm saying Trump is better, he's not and I don't believe for a second he'll do anything about situations like TFA states. There's a reason the Libertarians are polling in the double digits and that can only be a good thing.

  11. Re: This sort of thing is why people like Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Better question: which branch ENFORCES the laws?

    As in, it's already illegal to hire an Indian, er, H1-B, when an American is available. Clearly that's the case here and everywhere else. Why do we keep reading about people training their foreign replacements when it's not supposed to be happening, and why aren't executives in jail already?