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Google Announces Support of the Controversial TPP (recode.net)

An anonymous reader writes: Google has announced in a blog post Friday their support for the controversial Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership (TPP). Recode reports: "The trade agreement includes key provisions about the global passage of digital data, intellectual property and copyright -- measures that have drawn criticism from both the political right and left, including several outspoken tech groups. Google's endorsement isn't exactly full-throated, but its stake clearly demonstrates another key area of support with the Obama administration, to which Google is close." Google's SVP and general counsel Kent Walker wrote: "The TPP is not perfect, and the trade negotiation process would certainly benefit from greater transparency. We will continue to advocate for process reforms, including the opportunity for all stakeholders to have a meaningful opportunity for input into trade negotiations." The company has already shown support of the TPP behind the Internet Association, which endorsed the trade agreement in March. Google joins a list of other tech titans, like Apple and Microsoft, who have shown their support as well. The Electronic Frontier Foundation calls the TPP a "secretive, multinational trade agreement" that will restrict IP laws and enforce digital policies that "benefit big corporations at the expense of the public." The TPP is still awaiting congressional approval after being signed in February.

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  1. No suprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TPP was written by corporations, for corporations. No surprise that Google supports it. We need a revolution in this country.

    1. Re:No suprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We need a revolution in this country.

      Here's your problem. Most of the millennials, who are being screwed the hardest by this unholy alliance of corporations and government, have never even handled a gun. They don't know how to use guns and even if they did they're far too craven to actually stand up and fight. Voting, as we have all seen, is useless because the corporations pay both sides. Bernie Sanders was the only major candidate so far in my lifetime who wasn't bought and paid for by the corporations, but the people were too stupid to nominate him. Clinton is going to win and she will sell out the young in a heartbeat to cut deals with the corporations, just like Bill did back in the 90s. Basically, we're screwed.

    2. Re:No suprise by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We need a revolution in this country.

      Here's your problem. Most of the millennials, who are being screwed the hardest by this unholy alliance of corporations and government, have never even handled a gun. Basically, we're screwed.

      Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen. All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly. Stop watching hours of moronic TV, get on your computer, fire up a word processor and start writing letters and tell them exactly what you want.

      All of these paid lobby groups are minorities gambling that you will continue to sit there and have that exact attitude. There is no need to troll the politicians, be respectful and they will listen as 1 letter means about 100 people think that way, to them. That means 100 votes, and votes are currency just as much as money is to a politician as 100 votes is enough to make a difference in an election. I have had unexpected success on issues with politicians just by telling the *how* to address my concerns.

      There is a reason why the adage goes The pen is mightier than the sword. Exercise your democratic right, stop whining and participate in your own future.

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    3. Re:No suprise by Hairy1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Revolution does not mean violent revolution; we are talking about a political revolution. Of course, now that Sanders appears to have lost the nomination the only real chance is for the electorate to demand he run as an independent or for the Greens. I know he doesn't want to, but maybe the case can be made that he owes his country a real option.

      There will of course be people who whine about him 'splitting the vote', by which they mean giving people an actual choice to support a candidate that isn't a member of the One Party; the one bought and paid for by corporations. We thought Obama was that candidate. He wasn't. He lied.

    4. Re:No suprise by thegarbz · · Score: 3

      We need a revolution in this country.

      Which country? The TPP has more than just the USA signature on it.

    5. Re:No suprise by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can I ask you something? Why didn't you use your gun to stop the "unholy alliance of corporations and government" from forming in the first place? Why is it the millennials job to fix it after the fact, while you (and those of your generation) were asleep at the wheel?

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    6. Re:No suprise by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen.

      Ahh, the old canard about the pen being mightier than the sword. Guess what? It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.

      All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly.

      Is that what they told you? You really are special, aren't you?

      Stop watching hours of moronic TV, get on your computer, fire up a word processor and start writing letters and tell them exactly what you want.

      Look, kiddo, someone needs to explain to you how American "democracy" works, and it's not like this. The way it works is that you get a big bag of money, you enclose a bill for your pet congresscritter to sponsor, and then you mail it off to them. Shortly thereafter, you get a law. If you don't enclose a big check with your request, it gets round-filed.

      Your naivete would be charming in a small child. In an adult, it's horrifying.

      There is no need to troll the politicians, be respectful and they will listen as 1 letter means about 100 people think that way, to them.

      And they give precisely as much of a shit about those other 99 people as they do about you. If you don't lobby them with money then they don't give a fuck. They might use the information to determine to what they should pay lip service, but they're not going to do anything for you.

      I have had unexpected success on issues with politicians just by telling the *how* to address my concerns.

      You think they did what they did because you said so? Wow, you really are special.

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    7. Re:No suprise by mjm1231 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're very right about how the current system is screwed, but it's also exactly the reason the guns and bullets solution is likely to fail. The same money that buys politicians will also buy a lot more guns and ammo than the opposition can muster. And replacing "money makes right" with "might makes right" doesn't seem like a step forward to me.

      Even as undereducated as we are, we need to find a better way.

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    8. Re:No suprise by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 2
      You don't need the presidency. It'd certainly be nice, but I don't think it's where reforms would make the most difference. It's kind of obscene the way people are led by media coverage to believe that the presidential race is the only important one.

      I honestly suspect Sanders always knew his presidential campaign was a longshot. I think the only reason he's campaigning so hard is to preserve and build influence over the party platform and to keep similarly-inclined voters engaged.

      Now comes the endorsing of politically-similar senator and representative candidates, fundraising, and campaigning for the more-important (but much less promoted) races for the legislature, and influencing the party platform (and maybe an influential position on one or more congressional committees). He'd be a lot less able to accomplish anything in those areas is he had been "the guy who saw he couldn't possibly win so he quit" rather than "the guy who fought hard all the way to the end, kept visibility on the issues that he'll be fighting for in the party platform, and made the establishment candidate work for the nomination in spite of the party establishment support."

      If I'm right about that, there's no way he'll "Nader" the presidential election, that'd be counter-productive to what I'm assuming his real political goals are.

    9. Re:No suprise by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      Simple minded troll.

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    10. Re:No suprise by starblazer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office. Show them that if you screw up and start favoring the corps, you're history.

      However, with American complacency at its highest ever (probably), they don't have anything to fear. Keep giving them their XBone, Netflix, Food Stamps, and Social Security and all your little servants will be content. Feed them useless entertainment news about Bieber and the latest outrage about some LGBT bathroom scandal, and by the time they drop the news that they are bending you regarding your rights, you're too tired to fight it because you've been arguing about if a naturally born male should be allowed in a female bathroom.

      To back up mjm, guns brings out bigger guns. If you haven't noticed, Police departments have ex-military vehicles now. They can withstand a revolution better than you or I can. They have the armor to defend themselves.

      Start getting pissed off and vote your congresscritters out. Then you may watch them start listening again.

    11. Re:No suprise by MrKaos · · Score: 2
      Wow, you're in a nasty mood aren't you. Look I get the cynicism, I just think there is something else between hopeless and a shoot up. Your reaction has been carefully manicured and it is exactly what the money wants you to think. You have been manipulated. Step out of your fear, grow a pair.

      It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.

      So what's your excuse? Have you tried?

      Is that what they told you? You really are special, aren't you?

      No, that's what I *did*, and have been *doing* for over 15 years. Including as much of the TPP my verge of vomit exhaustion could possibly absorb recently, even knowing it was probably hopeless. Those years include recommendations and analysis of *all* of the implemented terrorism acts, cyber security acts. I'm not special, I'm just fed up of people sitting around not doing anything claiming to be powerless so they can bludgeon people with their moral sanctity, stories about chem trails and da gubberment. Fuck that, at least I can try.

      Look, kiddo, someone needs to explain to you how American "democracy" works, and it's not like this.

      Kiddo? I don't remember ever patronizing you dp. I understand your anger, but I don't think you are going to get anywhere directing it at me.

      Sometimes I have success and sometimes I don't, everytime I learn. Guaranteed, if you do nothing, nothing happens and you don't have a hope of getting anything done and you become part of the problem.

      And if you can give me an explanation based on your experiences then I'd be interested in that.

      And they give precisely as much of a shit about those other 99 people as they do about you.

      From the amount of letters I got *back* from politicians saying, gee, I didn't know that about this sometimes, yes, the wordings of those laws were changed and sometimes rejected all together. In one case I wrote a detailed analysis of the implementation of a National security legislation and got a 4 page letter back from the AG so based on that evidence I'm inclined to disagree.

      You think they did what they did because you said so? Wow, you really are special.

      When you get a letter from a politician that pretty much tells you they are powerless it's more sobering in realization than sitting around in blissful ignorance making up conspiracy theories. Bottom line, I don't know, but I'll sleep with a light conscious. If you want to make excuses for apathy I'm not really interested, because it is the same as being Pwned.

      Don't take it out on me, I'm not *your* enemy.

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    12. Re:No suprise by no-body · · Score: 2

      "... opposed legislation that could help curb it."

      And the legislators follow striclty the principle of "by the people for the people" - 6 words - a basis for democracy the US was once built on - sure - nowadays falsified to "for the corporations against the people", and there is no end to all this abuse.

      This sucks beyond anything imaginable!

      What was the reason for independence from EN?

      Experienced and felt abuse in many instances.

      Sounds familiar? Write to your legislators in plain language a letter to their home address that they are corrupt and no longer serve the people in their state but to other interests paying them which is called bribery.

    13. Re:No suprise by Agripa · · Score: 2

      The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office. Show them that if you screw up and start favoring the corps, you're history.

      So vote one idiot out of office allowing the other idiot to have a turn? I am sure the two idiots will be fine with that arrangement.

    14. Re:No suprise by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Clinton is going to win and she will sell out the young in a heartbeat to cut deals with the corporations

      There's this guy called Donald Trump who happens to oppose shit like TPP.

      But of course he sais some bad about the Religion of Death, so he must be a racist bigoted evil literally Hitler.

    15. Re:No suprise by pablo_max · · Score: 2

      You are correct in saying that government can buy WAY more guns, but you are forgetting something very important.
      I, perhaps like some of you, served in the military. There is one thing which I would say at least 90% of the military members would not do. Turn their guns on Americans. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
      I would say that the military members are MORE likely to turn their guns on the government if such an order was ever given. I know I would have.

    16. Re:No suprise by Agripa · · Score: 2

      At the moment Trump says he is against TPP but this is the same guy who was against the right to bear arms before he supported it.

    17. Re: No suprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Northern Ireland is perhaps not the best example for your argument against plebian gun ownership. The Irish won their freedom from the yoke of English tyranny through force of arms.

    18. Re: No suprise by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What an insufferable twat. You really think you have it all figured out don't you?

      Nobody likes having their illusions shattered, but yours (and the GP's) are fucking stupid, and you need it.

      What I achieve and what you *think* I achieve are not the same thing. People getting involved and writing letters also means *they* get educated and the politicians know they are under observation because they know they won't get away with something unnoticed. Maybe, just maybe, they will do something or not do something.

      I have no illusions to shatter, I know this system is corrupt and that what I am doing will probably fail. Reading and writing about these laws helps you see exactly what is going on behind the scenes and to understand what is going on because there are as much lessons in failure as there are in success. Frankly, it's more interesting than anything on the TV. You know the system as corrupt the difference is I have some ideas as to the depth of that corruption where it is and hasn't reached.

      As you rightly pointed out, education. It starts with people educating themselves about what is going on, what is not reported in the news and, actually reading Bills that are drafted. Look at Burr-Feinstein and encryption, there was enough resistance to knock that over because it was stupid. However what you don't realize is that is the first round in this battle not to decrypt communications, but to record meta data through the definitions of data drafted in the bill - which will survive elsewhere because they went virtually unnoticed this time around. Has your cynicism produced enough insights to understand the state of play and look for where it will come up again?

      The covert police state is revealing itself because the American Empire is on the verge of collapse and desperate to maintain control. Desperate sick animals are dangerous and often lash out. If you read the TPP you would see that it is a battering ram to legally pillage every country that is forced to interact with American corporations through ISDS. The TPP aims to spread the American Empire with desperate times and suffering ahead. We are in this together, are you prepared?

      You say what I am doing is 'fucking stupid', but you have little idea why I do it. I don't accept anything you have said here. I have resisted the urge to patronise you in return because I read your posts when I see them and I respect your opinions but for all your vitriol I think you are criticizing me because you are afraid and I don't blame you, so am I.

      What is your suggestion? What do you *do*? What have you done? Do you even have an answer?

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    19. Re:No suprise by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      Not on "real red blooded Americans" maybe, but on blacks, gays, Muslims, transgender people, atheists, Mexicans...?

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  2. Don't be evil... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    Don't be evil... unless it gets in the way of profit.

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    1. Re:Don't be evil... by jordancjones · · Score: 2

      RIP Don't be evil...

  3. Google is out of their fucking minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like the 200+ comments on Hacker News, another news aggregation site with a very tech-savvy demo, you will have to look really hard to find anyone who supports the TPP.

    The EFF has written extensively how digital rights are negatively affected by this.

    The TPP is bad, bad, bad, and it's been fast tracked for passage with no debate/oversight. Hopefully there will be a SOPA-like outcry against it that shuts it down. All three Dem/GOP presidential candidates claim to be against it (but we'll see how long that lasts). Not sure about libertarian candidates.. somehow I suspect they'll take the more traditional "free trade" perspective, but maybe I'll be delightfully surprised.

    Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.

    1. Re:Google is out of their fucking minds by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's been fast tracked for passage with no debate/oversight.

      Fast track does not mean "no debate", it just means that the deal has to be either accepted or rejected by congress. It cannot be amended or changed. That is the only workable way to do it. It is an agreement between a dozen countries. If the legislature of each country is able to nitpick and send it back for renegotiation, then there is no way anything will every get done.

      Even if congress could change the agreement, that wouldn't help, since the worst crap in the TPP was put there at the insistence of American corporations and interest groups. Most likely congressional amendments would make it even worse.

      Not sure about libertarian candidates.

      Gary Johnson is opposed to the TPP. He supports free trade in principle, but does not support the TPP.

    2. Re:Google is out of their fucking minds by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.

      Considering history is written by the winners and all the rich and powerful are in favor of TPP, I wouldn't bet on it. Google's on top now, they make lots of money and can deal with the overhead of the DMCA, the "right to be forgotten" and various rules and requirements. They know their startup competitors will struggle more than they do, it's securing their own business.

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    3. Re:Google is out of their fucking minds by mcfedr · · Score: 2

      The only debate has been between those with a vested interest in it happening, and no one else having a look at it

    4. Re: Google is out of their fucking minds by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Informative

      What Constitution? They shredded that a long time ago. Politicians know history. Perhaps it's time for the people to learn. Bread and circuses. EBT and American Idol. Works every time.

      We're almost to the point of no return, but we can win if we don't let them divide us.

    5. Re:Google is out of their fucking minds by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      One thing I ponder, though, is if libertarianism is a lot like communism in some ways -- the idealized version of it is great, but due to the stupid nature of people you can't ever really have the idealized version of it, all you actually get is the crap version of it.

      Sokath, his eyes uncovered! It is good to see that I'm not one of the few that like the ideas of Libertarianism, but know it will fail almost instantly upon implementation.It relies upon 100 percent high intelligence and 100 percent ethhical and honest people.

      But it isn't alone, capitalism assumes that as soon as someone achieves success, they won't try to turn every advantage to themselves. Any pure ism fails very quickly.

      Except perhaps pragmatism, because it picks and chooses what actually works. Then again, pragmatism is actually anti-idealism in action.

      Idealism drives us off the cliff, because that is the only way to go. Pragmatism takes the route that goes by the strip club, but arrives alive.

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  4. As a hard-core liberal I have to say... by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google has been sucking President Obama's cock since the day he took office. Their people have visited the White House just about weekly since he started work.

    President Obama, like President Clinton, is a hard-core right wing conservative masquerading as somebody who gives a fuck about anybody who doesn't pull down a $30 million per year salary. Hillary Clinton will be exactly the same.

    Google is backing Obama, Clinton and the TPP because all of them are bought and paid for by people who want to put you in jail if your 10-year-old kid downloads a Disney song.

    That's not hyperbole, by the way.

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  5. What a coincidence... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Just after Google is apparently skewing search results for Clinton, they suddenly come out in support of a position that she's strongly in favor for. Just coincidence right? The number of coincidences going on with tech companies these days is just pretty amazing. There of course is another story on this with google saying it's true gov' we're not skewing anything. It's almost like when twitter started suspending non-feminists for objecting to the use of #killallmen, but feminists still use it to this day without any problems.

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    1. Re:What a coincidence... by Mashiki · · Score: 2
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    2. Re:What a coincidence... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      By the way, if you're trying to persuade someone of something it's best not to go full crazy and link all the nuttiest things you can find.

      Can't help it. That is the non crazy that modern feminists face out to the world. Right, you caught that didn't you? Modern feminism has basically boiled down to shirking harpies screwing about 1st world problems. Those names? Are also big names, either having been directly screwed over, are the ones spouting the garbage. You can turn your back on it all you want, but normies are seeing this insanity now and looking if not running away.

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  6. Now they deserve by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google now appropriately deserves to lose their Oracle case now.

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    1. Re:Now they deserve by paskie · · Score: 2

      No developer in the world deserves that Google loses to Oracle in the API lawsuit.

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  7. Im pretty sure the party they mostly like... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Im pretty sure the party they mostly like is the prohibition on countries demanding data for their citizens be stored in the respective country so that the local militarized police can go in and demand access to it at any time. A lot of the other things they are not so happy about, but are willing to swallow a lot of bad things in order to get that in as a binding provision. Most people don't want to have to be building data centers all over the planet which can then be seized the next time a local politician thinks it would be neat to own a supercomputer. They also want to be able to migrate and replicate data outside the country in question to avoid downtime.

  8. TPP (and TTIP) read by who? by Wowsers · · Score: 2

    TPP and TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) were written by the corporations and US government, so they've read the "trade deal". Meanwhile in Europe, hardly any politician has read TTIP, it's guarded like a top secret military document, no copies exist "on the outside". So how are most of Europe's politicians, ESPECIALLY the UK, in favour of signing TTIP?

    Sounds to me like politicians are being blackmailed, given kickbacks, or both by the US government or corporations, either in money, or directorships in US company subsidiaries once the European politician leaves office.

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  9. Fuck Karma, Hillary was (is) backing this too! by Whatsmynickname · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fool me once, shame on Hillary
    1980's-1992: Served on board of Walmart, union buster. Nobody there ever heard her support unions.
    1990's-early 2000's Hillary: I support my husband's push for NAFTA
    Democrat Party supporting Unions: This is (provably) not good for us
    2007-2008 Election season Hillary: I think NAFTA was a bad idea and I oppose free trade with Columbia
    2007-2008 Hillary supporters: Hillary is allowed to change her mind (sound familiar?)

    Fool me twice, shame on me
    2011: Emails show she LOBBIED Congress to push for free trade with Columbia, which passed!
    2012-2014 Hillary: I'm fully behind the Trans Pacific Partnership (she said this publicly 45 times claiming this is the 'gold standard')
    (NOTE AFTER SHE SAID NAFTA WAS BAD!)
    Democrat Party supporting Unions: This is not good for us
    Sanders said TPP was not good!
    2015-2016 Election season Hillary: I'm (now) against the Trans Pacific Partnership

  10. Ew, didn't know that was there by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    it's got nothing to do with privacy or supporting military states though. It's outsourcing. Expect to see a lot of good IT jobs that are left go off to India and the Philippines. Man I wish tech workers were such a bunch of smarthy asses. We're all convinced we're the one they can't replace. I hear it all the time from my coworkers who've been lucky enough to survive the various rounds of layoffs. I think it comes with the territory in IT. You talk to idiots all day. The dumbest of the dumb who can't open a spreadsheet by double clicking it. It's natural to think you're just smarter. It made us easy to outsource since we're either too proud or dumb to Unionize.

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  11. OMG, that is addorable!! by pablo_max · · Score: 2

    Seriously, that is so freaken cute that you think your government gives one single fuck what you write or think. They don't.
    You think they give a single fuck if they are voted out? Why should they? They get their pay for life. They will always have a high paying job when they are out of office because of the favors that they sold to their corporate masters.
    There are VERY few politicians who are willing to go against ruling class. Regardless of your letters.
    No, your letter will make no difference at all. They system is too far gone. Too long corrupted. The checks and balances are gone. The people now fear the government and with good reason.
    ?Look at all the court rulings lately. Warrant needed for you bank card? Nope. Warrant needed to take your money? Nope. Criminal charges needed to take your money? Nope. It goes on and on.
    Too long has the population sat on their collective asses while the power was consolidated. Too long were the masses so blinded by shiny gadgets that they would not look behind the curtain.
    No fellow citizen, the time for letters has passed. It falls unfortunately to the young ones to get back on track. Most sadly, see nothing wrong with the current system.

  12. Re:Re by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Decently put. I'm in the same boat.

    I was going to disagree with you about capitalism, but the wiki on free-market capitalism says that it includes some intervention where necessary to keep the market set by supply/demand (e.g. no monopolies). So it kind of depends on which definition of capitalism you go with.

    I actually like Capitalism. But it seriously has to be protected from itself, as do most idealistic concepts. Because it kills itself very quickly. A system based on greed - or better put, the concept of doing well for yourself will almost always shake out to the greediest, after they get ahead of others, wanting to alter the game so they make more, or in pathological cases, all of the money.

    As for the definition of capitalism, it has been corrupted, and altogether too many politicians have bought into it. The old "class warfare" pejoratives that used to be trotted out any time someone complained about excesses were the highlight of the one sided supply side argument.

    Somewhere along the line, we forgot that the best way to have producers become wealthy was to have people have the money to purchase their goods.

    Maybe this is why there's been a push lately to not teach algebra in schools. THe idea that an equation has two sides is dangerous thought.

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