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Trent Reznor: YouTube Is Built On the Back Of Stolen Content (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Singer and record producer Trent Reznor has become the latest artist to attack Google's video service YouTube. "I find YouTube's business to be very disingenuous. It is built on the backs of free, stolen content and that's how they got that big," said Reznor in an interview with Billboard. Reznor was not speaking purely as an artist, however. He is also chief creative officer at Apple Music, the streaming service launched by Apple in 2015, which is one of the key rivals to YouTube in the digital music world. "I think any free-tiered service is not fair. It's making their numbers and getting them a big IPO and it is built on the back of my work and that of my peers. That's how I feel about it. Strongly," said Reznor, widening his criticism to other rivals like Spotify in the process.

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  1. Re: Some guy hates competiting with 'free' by manicb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Made a breakthrough album in his free time while working as a studio engineer. Made some more important records. Legendary live performer. Made a couple of film soundtracks. Ran his own label. Had bust-ups with his labels. Told Australian fans to steal his album Year Zero because the prices in the shops were too high. Released an album under Creative Commons NC and made money off the deluxe editions. Released another project under "pay something or don't, up to you". Released an album for free online. Makes remix stems available to all and hosts a site for community remixes. He's probably one of the most qualified people out there to talk about music production and distribution. And Slashdotters are going to ignore that because they don't like what he's saying.

  2. Not a surprise coming from Apple by Lendrick · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple thrives on the top-down "you are the consumer, we are the producer" business model. I can't say I'm particularly shocked to see an apple exec whining about youtube (although I must say, I'm disappointed that it the exec in question is Trent Reznor). To say that Youtube is "built" on content piracy is extremely disingenuous. Yes, it obviously happens there, but if someone were to remove all of the pirated content from Youtube, only a very small percentage of users would even care.

    These are the words of a company that would like to see user-generated content made illegal, on the basis that a small percentage of users occasionally use it for piracy. Youtube is a tremendous example of "substantial non-infringing use".

  3. Re:Some guy hates competiting with 'free' by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, Johnny Cash covered one of Trents songs and made it something more than the usual self indulgent whine.

  4. Pandora is like radio; Spotify is like a jukebox by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Radio is exactly comparable to other free tier (i.e. ad-supported) services. We're talking Pandora, Spotify, and most Internet radio stations

    Pandora yes, Spotify not so much. There's a big legal difference between Pandora and Spotify, analogous to like the difference between radio and a jukebox, or between broadcast TV and video on demand. Pandora lets the user choose a musical style, such as the style associated with a particular recording artist, and then builds a huge playlist around that style that satisfies the "performance complement" requirement of the statutory license for public performance of sound recordings through an electronic transmission. This requirement limits how many songs from a particular artist or album may be played per hour and limits the control that the user has over the playlist so that does not substitute for a purchase. Complying with the "performance complement" allows Pandora to pay a lower rate and not have to negotiate with individual record labels. Spotify has to pay more in royalties because it gives the user far more control over the playlist.

  5. Re:YouTube had an IPO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, why is it that only when famous people say it, it becomes newsworthy? Even though everyone else thought it for years?

  6. Re:Aw, Poor Trent... by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's kind of depressing, I mean, didn't he release the STEMs of his music for free so anyone could remix it? Has Apple rotted your brain Trent? Are you an ignorant, greedy old man now?

    It's called being a "sell-out" by abandoning your earlier ideals, and it happens to lot of people who were once young rebels in the music industry.

  7. Re:The ego... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Reference:
    http://www.theninhotline.net/news/archives/backissue.php?y=07&m=9#1189989696