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  1. I know this guy has a Nobel in physics and I don't, but I've spent a really long time in the solar business, mostly in R&D but also on the financial side, and even have some direct experience with concentrators. This article is mostly puff, but still something about the guy's claims seem off to me.

    It would be easy to say, "yeah, the guy's got a Nobel, but he's 96 years old," and write it off to some sort of senility or dementia. The article does not give me the feeling that's what's happening.

    It would also be easy to say that the idea of concentrating light for solar energy has been around for a long time and assume that he can't possibly have an original idea on the topic. I can't say whether he really has an original idea, but I can say that if it simply collects direct sunlight from a large area and focuses it onto a small area, it doesn't matter if the reflectors and/or lenses can be made for free, the economics probably will not pan out (and at the very least, it will not be the clear-cut universal solution to cheap energy that he seems to think he has). If it does something new -- collect both direct and diffuse light and focus it on a small area, or shift wavelengths so the light that reaches the solar cell can be used more efficiently -- then maybe he's on to something. Simple, non-concentrating solar using flat-plate panels is already so cheap, though, that I'm not sure that even that will bring a clear-cut economic case, especially if the reflectors can't handle things like heavy wind or snow.

    Which brings me to my final thought: I suspect this guy is working with an outdated version of solar economics in his head and simply doesn't understand the current market. He clearly knows his stuff as a physicist, so unless he is senile this seems like the most likely scenario to me. I won't rule out that he has some revolutionary idea, but even if he does, the economic impact it can have is limited simply because the costs he can cut are already low. There's a certain way in which this reminds me of article I read where somebody invents a near-perfect antireflection coating and thinks they're going to revolutionize solar cells, which already have such a low reflectance that there is little to be gained there, especially if the new technology is not essentially free.

  2. Re:Disabilities on Paris Will Make Public Transportation Free for Kids (citylab.com) · · Score: 1

    Honestly, the main problem for people with disabilities in Paris (of the physical kind anyway) is that many of the metro stations have no elevators. Hence, while it may be cheap or free for them, they will have to move further than others to get into and out of the metros (i.e. they have to go to the right metro stations - I have no idea how tricky it must be for some one with a disability that visits Paris to find out which stations they can get in and out of)...

    Not only that, it's not unusual for an elevator or escalator to be out of order in Parisian metro stations (or shopping malls, or pretty much anywhere else you might find an elevator or escalator). I am intimately familiar with the Paris public transit system for the able-bodied, but have also had to navigate it with somebody who is wheelchair-bound. We made a conscious decision to avoid the metro and use buses exclusively. They work pretty damn well for the physically disabled, and all of the discounts mentioned here will apply. There can be serious delays at rush hour, but really the biggest delays came when she and her family decided to use Uber -- the buses (and licensed taxis, for that matter) can use express lanes that, while still congested, are faster than anything but a train during peak traffic.

    There is quite a big modernization of the Paris metro underway. It is focused largely on expanding the network, but also on updating existing lines. I'm really hoping they will improve accessibility of existing stations (and maintenance of elevators and escalators) in the process.

  3. Re:Small note: on Only Nuclear Energy Can Save the Planet (wsj.com) · · Score: 1

    Moderate-sized solar panel factories (500Wp or more production per year) routinely cost around $500m-$1bn, and take around 3-5 years from bare dirt to first panel shipped (let alone full production output). The one I helped build up took 3-1/2 years and cost $500m - starting from an existing-but-empty complex of buildings and infrastructure.

    I don't know who you were working for, but I've participated in the construction of several solar factories in the past 20 years and none of them ever took as long or cost as much as what you're describing. The last one I worked on was a cell fab that took 8 months and cost less than $150 million for 1200 MWp. Its companion module fab cost around $50 million. And that's for a name brand with a solid warranty and reputation for high quality. I'm guessing the plant you worked on was more than a few years ago -- these days, 500 MWp is considered small, and even 20 years ago 3-1/2 years would have been a ridiculously long construction schedule (unless you're talking about polysilicon, in which case it would have been long until recently, but not ridiculously so).

    Also, note that solar panel prices (around $0.80/Wp) are artificially depressed due to Chinese market-dumping and subsidization - it normally costs far more to build a panel that's going to still work 25+ years later (around $1.50/Wp or so.)

    Now I know you've been out of the industry for awhile -- the last time average solar panel prices were as high as $0.80/Wp was around 2012-2013. Even premium manufacturers like SunPower and Panasonic can't get $0.80/Wp right now. Average prices at the moment are below $0.30/Wp and, while manufacturers are struggling to be profitable at those prices, most of them are generating positive cash flows. End-user prices are a bit higher in the US because of tariffs on Chinese solar cells and modules, but nobody is spending anywhere near $1.50/Wp to make a solar panel these days.

  4. Re:Really on Only Nuclear Energy Can Save the Planet (wsj.com) · · Score: 1

    Thin-film solar uses fun bits like Cadmium, Indium, Gallium...

    The vast majority of thin-film solar panels are cadmium telluride solar panels made by First Solar. Yes, they use cadmium and tellurium, but the safety hazards are mostly occupational -- CdTe is a compound with properties different from its chemical elements, just like water is made from hydrogen and oxygen yet is not explosive like its components are (it's even used to put out fires). Indium and gallium are used in CIGS solar panels, but those make up a tiny minority of thin-film solar panels.

    Oh, and thin-film solar panels make up less than 5% of the total solar market. More than 95% is silicon-based.

    Mono- and Polycrystal panels use crystallized silicon dioxide as their base, but require a brew of chemicals and materials to crystallize, wafer, coat, and process into a working PV cell.

    The nastiest things in that "brew of chemicals" are silane, phosphorus oxychloride, some of the solvents that go into the silver paste used to screen print the metal contacts on the cells themselves, and perhaps some of the chemicals that go into making the vinyl-based encapsulants and teflon-based backsheets in the final solar module. People like to draw parallels between solar cells and some of the nasties used to make microchips -- no idea if that's what you're doing -- but it simply doesn't work that way.

    That's not to say the industry is perfect -- Jinko Solar, for example, faced violent protests 8-10 years ago after it dumped waste into a river and killed fish that the locals depended on for their livelihoods -- but the waste products are generally far less potent than the microchip industry. They're also far higher in volume, and it's an industry that depends on having a "green" image, so the risks are often overstated.

  5. Re:I avoid loud restaurants on How Restaurants Got So Loud (theatlantic.com) · · Score: 1

    I avoid loud restaurants; I'm sure I'm not the only one. They may look nice, and maybe their looks attract more people than their loudness scares off; but, I do take note if a place is too loud and I don't return- so there is a downside to being loud, they do lose some customers... unless I'm just a unique freak.

    Oh no, I'm with you. One of the better cocktail bars in my city is a short walk from my apartment, but I've been there exactly once while I regularly travel halfway across the city to other bars, many of them not as good. And the simple reason is that I can't have a conversation and spend quality time with my friends because the place is so damn loud (and dark, for that matter, to the point that if you don't have a smartphone with a flashlight function then you pretty much need to have the waiter explain the menu to you, and, well, you can't hear him, so...). And this isn't some sports bar with shooters and cheap mixers, we're talking €12-15 craft cocktails. The main thing I remember about the place is thinking, "it's a shame I'm drinking this so fast, but I just can't wait to get out of here."

  6. Only stats that make me right, please on 1 In 4 Statisticians Say They Were Asked To Commit Scientific Fraud (acsh.org) · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of a story an acquaintance of mine once told me. She has a Ph.D. in statistics and has put in a couple of decades with a major biotech firm. A friend of hers was doing a Ph.D. in engineering and had some data to analyze, but he wanted to make sure his conclusions were statistically sound. He asked her to check his work and let him know if he had made any big errors. I'm sure nobody will be shocked to learn that he made some basic errors that non-statisticians make all the time (I think it had something to do with multiple comparisons). Once the analysis was done properly, none of his data showed the level of statistical significance he was chasing.

    But did that stop him? No way! He went back and collected more data -- oh wait, no he didn't. He threw out the correct analysis and kept his original (incorrect) work for publication. And my acquaintance no longer does free statistical analysis as a favor to anybody because she thinks she'd be wasting her time.

  7. Re:Lab demonstrations leave a lot to be desired on Scientists Formulate New Method To Create Low-Cost High Efficiency Solar Cells (phys.org) · · Score: 5, Informative

    In developing the method, the scientists realized that making the perovskite layer 1 micron thick increased the working life of the solar cell significantly.

    Typical good quality crystalline silicon solar cells lose as much as 1% per year in efficiency, and lose as much as 15% efficiency in the first few months of deployment. This is why a 100 watt panel will typically produce as much as 120 watts for the first month or so, then taper off to 100 watts, then degrade slowly thereafter. This is one of the reason that to meet code, wiring for a solar installation must exceed the specs of the panels by around 20%. Now, my apologies if this isn't perfectly accurate, I've been intentionally hand-wavy as I've been out of the PV world for a bit.

    You're still correct on the basic principles, but the figures you give for crystalline silicon cells describe low-quality cells these days. Typical warranties these days are 2-3% degradation in the first year and 0.5%/year thereafter. The vast majority of field data is not public and that that is public suggests that plenty of modules conform to this sort of warranty and plenty don't, but for what it's worth, reinsurance companies (who actually have access to the highest volumes of field data) are willing to take on the risk of underwriting such warranties.

    The manufacturing technique described in this article is similar to that of amorphous silicon, and the quoted sentence above glosses over a lot of ifs in the article.

    Degradation in amorphous silicon has to do with the structure of the material itself, not the manufacturing process. That said, perovskite does have its own very serious degradation problem -- much worse than amorphous silicon, in fact -- that needs to be solved (or at least improved) before it will become practical as a major energy source. Even if it can be made cheaper than crystalline silicon, it's hard to see it gaining much traction outside of consumer gadgets and specialized short-term applications if the cells die after 5 years. Someone could still make money that way, but it wouldn't address much of our energy demand.

    That said, what I've seen of this work is promising because the scientists are at least making an effort to address many of the issues that have to be solved to commercialize perovskite cells. There is increasing attention paid to that, but it seems to me that many researchers still prefer to chase headline-grabbing efficiencies. I wish them luck, but I do firmly believe they will struggle to create a successful commercial product if they don't make some strides on longevity.

  8. Why adblockers are so popular on Front-End Developer Decries 'Garbage' Design Choices on 'The Bullshit Web' (pxlnv.com) · · Score: 1

    We really shouldn't need adblockers, but we do, and this is precisely why. I don't mind a web site making a little cash from putting ads in front of my eyeballs -- it's exactly what publishers have always done with newspapers, magazines, and TV shows -- but when they waste my time or render a page unreadable then I'm done. Pages with delayed loading of ads or videos such that the text on the page is constantly moving after I have already loaded the page -- who ever thought that was a good idea? I understand why publishers scream about adblockers, but really, with many (and increasingly more) sites, if the publisher isn't going to build a reasonable web page then I'm either going to use an adblocker or I'm going to go elsewhere. Either way, the publisher won't make any ad dollars off me. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, but many publishers certainly seem to think I am.

    Unfortunately, at work I don't really have much control over these things because my computer is locked down so we can only use software that has been vetted for security and privacy. Ironically, that means using Chrome with settings locked by the administrator to share maximum information with Google, no ability to install extensions like Privacy Badger and Adblock, and no ability even to install tools that make it easier to work with our approved office suite and project management tools. I don't think they realize just how much money they're paying me to fight with software that is supposed to be making me more efficient, but that's getting off-topic....

  9. Re:ALL science should be citizen science on Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exist? (arstechnica.com) · · Score: 1

    Private funding didn't come in for any of those until the government had provided so much support

    Been there, argued that. Step one, where are your citations?

    Railroads:

    • Doukas, Kimon A. The French Railroads and the State. Columbia University Press, 1945.
    • Dunham, Arthur. “How the First French Railways Were Planned.” Journal of Economic History. Vol. 1, No. 1, 1941.
    • Pirenne, Henri. Histoire de Belgique. VII: De la Révolution de 1830 à la Guerre de 1914 (2nd ed.), Maurice Lamertin, 1944.
    • Bain, David Haward. Empire Express; Building the first Transcontinental Railroad. Viking Penguin, 1999.
    • Railway Guarantee Act of 1849 (Canada)
    • Pacific Railroad Acts of 1862, 1864, and 1867 (United States)

    And that's just the early industrial history of railroads. It was kind of a mixed bag of private and public investment. More recently, high-speed rail has been deployed almost exclusively by government-owned rail companies like JNR in Japan, SNCF in France, DB in Germany, British Rail in the UK, Amtrak in the US, Renfe in Spain, Korail in South Korea, and perhaps most importantly these days, China Railways, which was literally a government ministry until 2013. Even Thalys, which is nominally a private high-speed rail company, is 100% owned by SNCF, SNCB (government-owned Belgian rail company), and DB. For more on that I refer you to Wikipedia and decades worth of annual reports by the individual companies, I'm not going to link to them all for you.

    Telegraph:

    • Stover, John F. History of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad, 1987 (yeah, the title suggests it's about a railroad, and it is, but it also includes the story of the first telegraph line in the US, which was funded by the US Congress).
    • http://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-and-Publications/Electronic-Technology/Telegraph/
    • Janson, Michael A. and Yoo, Christopher S., "The Wires Go to War: The U.S. Experiment with Government Ownership of theTelephone System During World War I" (2013). Faculty Scholarship. Paper 467.http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/faculty_scholarship/467
    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Red_Line (yeah, Wikipedia, but I can't find the book I'd rather refer you to)

    Telephone: Don't forget that in most places outside of the US, the entire telephone system (including the telephone itself) was owned by the government until the 1980s.

    • Janson, Michael A. and Yoo, Christopher S., "The Wires Go to War: The U.S. Experiment with Government Ownership of the Telephone System During World War I" (2013). Faculty Scholarship. Paper 467.http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/faculty_scholarship/467 (yes, a repeat from the telegraph section)

    What do you mean, "as it did in due time"? Did you somehow visit another reality and see if the internet would develop in the absence of government funding?

    Now, that is rich. As if you have somehow visited another reality, where the Internet did not develop without it...

    Holy missing the point, Batman! You might want to re-read your own comment. If you still can't understand my response, try applying basic grammar and logic.

    And thanks for reminding me why I stopped bothering to try to engage in intelligent conversation on the internet.

  10. Re:ALL science should be citizen science on Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exist? (arstechnica.com) · · Score: 1

    That's nonsense. Private companies did fund and successfully built networks of railroads, telegraph, and telephone.

    I think you might need to review your history a bit. Private funding didn't come in for any of those until the government had provided so much support that it reduced risk to "acceptable" levels. Yes, private funding made all of those networks pervasive, but government funding made them possible.

    They would've built the current Internet, when the technology developed — as it did in due time.

    What do you mean, "as it did in due time"? Did you somehow visit another reality and see if the internet would develop in the absence of government funding? Considering that literally none of the hardware that runs the internet developed without early government support, I don't see how you can know that.

  11. Re:ALL science should be citizen science on Ask Slashdot: Do Citizen Science Platforms Exist? (arstechnica.com) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the possible exception for militarily-applicable research, no science should be government-sponsored. At all.

    Well, we have government-sponsored research to thank for your being able to share that comment with us. Without government-funded science for both peaceful and military purposes you wouldn't have computer to type your comment on, nor an internet or World Wide Web to transmit it over. You not only wouldn't have a smart phone, you wouldn't have a cell phone, or any phone at all for that matter. Or even electricity, most likely.

    You can't rely on wealthy investors and venture capitalists to fund science for which there is not a clear application, customer, or business model, especially if that business model does not lead to profitability or an IPO in a relatively short period of time. Thirty years ago the first web browser was still two years away. The first web browser that anybody has heard of was still five years away. The only networking business case for the rabble that anybody really imagined was dial-up service à la Prodigy, Compuserv, and America Online -- and those services largely kept customers inside their walled gardens and made it difficult or impossible to access the internet itself. Even after Mosaic appeared in 1993 (a government-funded effort, by the way) and people started to get their first taste of the web as we know it, it was still years before private investment grew significantly because people needed to get online for any of it to matter, and doing that required both public investment and new business models.

    The usual suspects were first on the scene, of course: The first time I encountered a camgirl with a live video stream was in 1996....

  12. I, for one, do not welcome our cable overlords.... on While More People Switch To Streaming TV, Cable Stocks are Plummetting (investors.com) · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I left the US a decade ago, I was paying about $100 a month to Comcast for internet service and basic cable (no premium channels, no HD, not that it mattered since I didn't have an HDTV). Today in France, I pay €39.99 a month for basic cable, internet service, VOIP including free international phone calls, and all the mobile phone calls and text messages I can make (within France, international texts typically run me about €0.20 a month). My parents in the US, for that same bundle of services, are paying more than $200 a month.

    I can't really see myself doing anything but streaming TV if I ever move back to the US. I enjoy TV, but I don't need it. Why should I spend a bunch of money supporting a business model that doesn't really serve me?

  13. Re:Credit Cards Charge Fees Too on What Happens When Restaurants Go Cashless (usatoday.com) · · Score: 1

    Indeed, because they add a lot of services into that "credit" side of it like for example travel insurance and kickbacks where customers appear to be "saving" money. In Europe there's actually a lot of alternative debit card systems run by the banks, like here in Norway there's "BankAxept". In Germany they have "Girocard". Without all the bells and whistles here in Norway at least they pay roughly $0.02/transaction, which is way below the cost of actually handling cash. So honestly, the only reason businesses accept cash here is because they must.

    Perhaps that's true in Norway, but I don't think that generalizes to all of Europe. It certainly has not been my experience in France or (especially) Belgium. In Belgium I always make sure I'm carrying double the cash I think I need and I stop at the ATM every chance I get, because they don't have them on every corner like in some parts of the world. Even many of the businesses that are not cash-only will only accept cards that work on the local Bancontact network, which means that if you don't have cash you have to have a Belgian bank account, and some charge an extra percentage or require a minimum purchase (10€ is common) if you want to pay by card. Up until a few years ago you couldn't even buy a train ticket from an automated kiosk without cash or a Belgian bank card! That's been changing a bit over the last five years, especially in the bigger cities, but I don't know anywhere in Belgium that prefers plastic over cash.

    Big cities in France are not quite so extreme as that, largely because they have so many foreign tourists, I think, but the countryside can be much the same as Belgium. Even in central Paris, though, I always ask what their minimum is before I try to pay by card. Even the big grocery chains have one, though it is usually only 1€.

    Then contrast that with China, where at least in urban areas they've gone from a largely cash-based system to mobile-phone-based payments in a very short time, practically skipping plastic altogether....

  14. Re:Elon's Solar Tiles & SunPower? on Trump Administration Approves Tariffs of 30 Percent On Imported Solar Panels (axios.com) · · Score: 1

    Questions:

    Where are Elon's Solar Tiles manufactured? Where is SunPower (one of the most efficient [when I last looked] cell makers) based?

    I suspect both in the USA. If so then possibly levelling the playfield might be in order.

    Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump more than most but even a broken clock...

    Tesla does its manufacturing in Buffalo, New York, though the first panels just started rolling off the production line and it is not yet clear how good or viable a product they are. SunPower is based in San Jose, California, but its manufacturing is done in the Philippines, Malaysia, Mexico, France, and (soon) China (though Chinese production will be for a lower-efficiency product than its flagship). Tesla is not affected by the new tariff, though it did oppose it, but SunPower is.

  15. Re:Remember the 59% Chinese tariff already in effe on Trump Administration Approves Tariffs of 30 Percent On Imported Solar Panels (axios.com) · · Score: 1

    It applies to US produced polysilicon shipped over there.

    The Chinese want a monopoly on PV panels and the entire supply chain, and to that end anything goes. Daqo gets free electricity for one example.

    China's tariff on American polysilicon was imposed in retaliation for American tariffs on Chinese solar cells and modules. Prior to 2013, the US actually had a trade surplus of quite a few billion dollars with China on the basis of the massive amount of polysilicon shipped to Chinese customers; since the US imposed tariffs on Chinese solar products and China retaliated, China has gotten the upper hand on the trade deficit (and found the motivation to learn how to make pretty good polysilicon pretty cheap).

    Any evidence for Daqo getting free electricity? I'm familiar with them in a way that few people are and I've seen no evidence of such.

  16. Re:Shoulda Worked in Finance Instead... on Volkswagen Executive Faces Jail Time After Guilty Plea (arstechnica.com) · · Score: 1

    Those guys never do time

    I very nearly said the same thing in my comment....

  17. Amazing on Volkswagen Executive Faces Jail Time After Guilty Plea (arstechnica.com) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Amazing to me that TWO Volkswagen execs have been found criminally liable for this, and only one exec from ALL OF THE BANKS was found criminally liable for any of the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis. Other commenters are saying that they're going to jail because they cost people money, but what Volkswagen cost people is peanuts compared to what bankers cost people, so that doesn't really square with me.

  18. Re:Because they can rather than because its needed on Michigan Will Build 25 Self-Driving Trolleys In 2017 (observer.com) · · Score: 1

    There is zero gain not using a driver,

    I guess that depends on where you live. In Paris, when the Metro drivers go on strike -- and I do mean when, not if -- the Metro lines that are automated can still run. One of those is Line 1, which connects the business district with the city of Paris and runs parallel to Line A, which is not automated and is the busiest subway line in all of Europe.

    Granted, this situation doesn't apply everywhere, but that's kind of the point -- you're concluding that automation can't make sense by excluding the cases where it might. And you'll notice the company building this plant is French, so they likely have a certain point of view themselves (and maybe one that means building a plant in Michigan is a bad idea, but I have no idea what their order pipeline looks like...).

  19. My problem with GMOs on Stop Bashing GMO Food, Say 109 Nobel Laureates (nytimes.com) · · Score: 2

    My problem with GMOs is not that the scary stuff that Greenpeace peddles, but the business practices of companies like Monsanto. I also have a problem with the supposedly "pro-science" folks who are anti-GMO labeling on the basis that scare-mongering will keep people from buying GMO-labeled products. I have a Ph.D. in a scientific field and one my absolute most deeply held beliefs is that nothing is more anti-science than withholding information. Don't like what people do with that information? Tough. It's your responsibility as a scientist or pro-science person to educate your audience. Telling people they've got it wrong and don't worry, they should just trust you, and no, we're not going to have a conversation about this is flat out anti-science, period, end of story. If you want people to be OK with GMOs, fine, I agree with you, but it do your job as a scientist, give people complete information, and help them understand the issue instead of making them feel like they're too stupid to understand it.

    By the way, one of my other deeply held beliefs is that if you are a scientist and you cannot explain your field to a layperson in a way that they can understand, you probably don't understand your own field very well. In other words, if your excuse is that people are too uneducated to understand, then I think you need to reassess how you're explaining things. You're the educated person, the onus is on you to share your knowledge. If you can't do that, shut up.

  20. Can anyone explain the "user-experience advantage" on Apple Explains Why iMessage Isn't Coming To Android (networkworld.com) · · Score: 3, Informative

    What is this supposed "user-experience advantage" of iMessage? I sure can't figure it out. The first thing I do when my employer gives me a new iPhone is turn off iMessage, because it has caused me plenty of trouble and I have never knowingly seen one single solitary benefit from it.

    I do a lot of international travel, keeping data roaming turned off, and knew nothing of iMessage when I got my first iPhone. It took me forever to figure out why text messages to and from certain people always seemed to be delayed. One day I turned on international data roaming to check for an urgent work email and instantly a slew of old text messages came through, followed by an alert from my carrier that I'd just spent 25 euros in roaming fees. I eventually figured out it was all down to iMessage, and the people whose texts were delayed were all iPhone users, so oddly enough it was Apple's "user-experience advantage" that cost me 25 euros and blocked messages to other iPhone users while allowing messages to non-iPhone users to pass unmolested....

  21. Don't even get me started on iTunes Turns 13 Today -- Continues To Be 'Awful' (qz.com) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My employer insists on giving me an iPhone, but prohibits iTunes on my company-issue laptop because it's such shit. Even if I wanted it on my home computer, I run Linux so it isn't even an option. And since it's a relatively new device, Apple actively breaks whatever free software works even semi-well with it. Company policy also prohibits me from using iCloud, so I can't add music through iTunes Music, I can't delete iTunes Music, I can't even seem to delete the stupid U2 album they foisted upon me. That means certain apps that can normally play music for me, can't play music, because Apple only allows them to play music via iTunes Music.

    I will never spend my own money on an iPhone. The only reason I have one is because I'm paid to have it.

    Unfortunately, my wife prefers Apple's music players, and we're both using Linux now. Fortunately, she prefers the ones they don't make anymore, so Linux software actually works pretty well with them. We actually just paid 45 euros to get her old Nano repaired, and we're about to get her chunky old iPod with a clickwheel repaired. It's amazing how much easier and more pleasant it is to use these old devices than it is my iPhone 5....

  22. Re:How damage resistant is it? on MIT Develops Ultra Thin, Light Weight, Efficient Solar Cells (blastingnews.com) · · Score: 2

    "there's no such thing as a glass-based solar cell"

    Fucking what? Glass is silicon. Most solar cells are silicon. Which dimension did you pop in from, sonny?

    Glass is silicon? Really? You must think water is hydrogen, too, then.

    Let me correct you: Glass is (mostly) silicon dioxide. Silicon and silicon dioxide are not the same thing -- they are fundamentally different compounds with fundamentally different physical properties. Just like water is partly composed of hydrogen atoms, but water and hydrogen are fundamentally different compounds. If you had ever actually seen silicon before there's no way you would mistake it for glass.

  23. Re:How damage resistant is it? on MIT Develops Ultra Thin, Light Weight, Efficient Solar Cells (blastingnews.com) · · Score: 1

    You must have missed this, then:

    The final ultra-thin, flexible solar cells, including substrate and overcoating, are just one-fiftieth of the thickness of a human hair and one-thousandth of the thickness of equivalent cells on glass substrates — about two micrometers thick — yet they convert sunlight into electricity just as efficiently as their glass-based counterparts.

    I'll ignore the statement about "glass-based counterparts" -- there's no such thing as a glass-based solar cell -- and assume they mean "silicon-based counterparts," as is rather clear from the article. Pedantry aside, if the snippet you quote is true then they've completely failed to report the real story, which is that they not only have set an efficiency record for organic solar cells, but beat the old record by a factor of 4-5. Alas, if you check the journal article that goes with this press release you'll find that their actual efficiency was 2.3%, or about half the current record for an organic solar cell, an eighth that of a typical commercially available silicon solar cell, and less than a tenth of the best commercially available silicon solar cell. On some level, this is acknowledged a few lines after the one you quote:

    While the solar cell in this demonstration device is not especially efficient, because of its low weight, its power-to-weight ratio is among the highest ever achieved.

  24. Re:Watts per gram on MIT Develops Ultra Thin, Light Weight, Efficient Solar Cells (blastingnews.com) · · Score: 1

    Thats a new way of defining solar cell efficiency, usually they go by area. It certainly won't power the next generation of electronic devices, maybe in 10 or 20 years something like this might see production

    I think they got the idea from the less common metric g/W. A little over a decade ago there was a shortage of purfied silicon that lasted quite a few years, and during that time the solar industry became very interested in the number of grams of silicon that were required to produce a watt of power. Naturally, the power conversion efficiency of the cell has an impact on this number, but so do things like the thickness of the wafer, how much silicon is lost during production, and so forth. My guess is that these guys saw this metric in the PV literature but thought big numbers sound better than small ones, so they inverted it instead of saying 0.17 g/W. By way of comparison, a typical silicon solar module these days requires about 5.3 g/W (though that's just grams of silicon, not the total weight of the module -- but even so it's a fairer comparison, since a solar cell as thin as this one is also going to need some packaging to protect it).

    Or maybe their choice was motivated by something else important to organic electronics people. I don't know, I'm a silicon solar guy.

    As for your last statement, even the organic solar guys I know (except for one at Oxford Solar) think 10-20 years to see organic solar cells in production, except perhaps for niche applications, is quite optimistic.

  25. Re: How damage resistant is it? on MIT Develops Ultra Thin, Light Weight, Efficient Solar Cells (blastingnews.com) · · Score: 3, Informative

    Watts per square inch is more important. If I have a ultrathin solar panel and it gets that many grams/watt it probably takes a huge surface area to get that power.

    You need to read the article to understand why it's an advance. For 1 the process itself creates clearer cells hence an increase in efficiency. It you want to compare conventional cells to this one you need to have comparative data as you mentioned which we do not have. In their application watts per grams is ideal because their current intended use is on flying objects such as weather balloons. Here's the part of the article:

    While the solar cell in this demonstration device is not especially efficient, because of its low weight, its power-to-weight ratio is among the highest ever achieved. That’s important for applications where weight is important, such as on spacecraft or on high-altitude helium balloons used for research. Whereas a typical silicon-based solar module, whose weight is dominated by a glass cover, may produce about 15 watts of power per kilogram of weight, the new cells have already demonstrated an output of 6 watts per gram — about 400 times higher.

    "Clearer cells" does not mean an increase in efficiency, in fact it means just the opposite. A clear solar cell is not absorbing a significant amount of light (or at least if it is, it is not producing a significant voltage, and hence not much power), whereas conventional opaque solar cells absorb extremely efficiently in the part of the spectrum where the sun produces the most photons.

    Furthermore, the W/g comparison from the article is utterly meaningless. A solar cell made from a 180-micron-thick silicon wafer can't survive the elements without encapsulation, hence the heavy glass sheet for terrestrial solar modules. Even solar cells launched into space are protected by a polymer encapsulant and a glass sheet (though both are much thinner and lighter than for a terrestrial module). Implying that you can replace a fully encapsulated solar module with a completely unprotected polymer solar cell 1/10th the thickness of a sheet of cellophane to is like saying you can replace a boat's sail with a sheet of gauze and steer your way through a gale. Sure, maybe the cell does put out more W/g than a conventional cell, but quantifying the claim like this makes them look dishonest.

    Finally, to date, organic solar cell degrade rapidly when exposed to light -- so rapidly that organic cell researchers have been known to transport their cells to certification labs in light-tight boxes and supervise their efficiency measurements to ensure the cells are not needlessly exposed to light for even a few minutes. Add the high-radiation environment of space to the mix and you aren't likely to see these cells being shot into space anytime soon. Not to mention that even undegraded the cells are only 2.3%-efficient. The cells used in space applications are already significantly lighter than the structures they're mounted on, so cutting the efficiency by more than a factor of 10 is likely to result in increased weight no matter how light the cells are.