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The NSA Would Be Eliminated Under President Gary Johnson (thehill.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson says he'd sign an executive order eliminating America's National Security Agency if he wins the 2016 election. And he's also forcefully arguing that domestic surveillance of internet activity and phone calls in the United States is worse than in China. Johnson took issue with an interviewer at The Daily Beast who pointed out that China monitors political dissidents, saying "What do you call the NSA and the satellites that are trained on us and the fact that 110 million Verizon users are having everything we do on our cell phones being data-collected?"

Johnson also wants to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, replacing both income taxes and corporate taxes with a single federal consumption tax, and says he'd be willing to sign legislation eliminating the Department of Education, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Department of Commerce, which he says fuels "crony capitalism". "I'll sign legislation to eliminate any federal agency that they present me with."

Johnson has also said that if he were elected President, he'd pardon Edward Snowden.

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  1. Re:Too Bad He's Shown His True Colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Backed Johnson 4 years ago, he's either gone off his rocker since then or just shown his true colors as a racist, homophobic bastard.

    What are you talking about?

  2. Re:And he means it .. literally .. by pla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    abolishing everything = idiotic

    Why? What does the NSA actually do that makes the least difference to you on a daily basis... Other than waste your taxpayer dollars to strip you of any pretense of privacy, of course?

    Even the Department of Education - Don't mistake them for having anything to do with actual "education": the Department does not: establish schools and colleges; develop curricula; set requirements for enrollment and graduation; determine state education standards; or develop or implement testing to measure whether states are meeting their education standards. They do little more than enforce discriminatory racial quotas by deciding who to throw our tax dollars at.

  3. Re:headline is misleading by shilly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the consumption tax, as I understand it, he's proposing eliminating state and federal income tax, instituting a flat-rate consumption tax instead. Taxes for purchases of "basic necessities" would be prebated (which actually appears to amount to a universal basic income in the form of a check to anyone holding a social security number).

  4. Re:And he means it .. literally .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quick, let's centralize the destruction of cultures in the US. Last time we did that we were very successful.

  5. Re:If shove came to push... by the_povinator · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'll probably get modded down for saying this, but I know people who have worked with the NSA, and these people have always been very impressed with how seriously NSA employees take the legislative limits on what they can do.

    NSA people work in big office buildings, in a corporate-like environment; they're tightly controlled. It's not like the CIA used to be where you were in a field office somewhere and your superiors weren't always 100% sure what you were doing.

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    The .sig is dead, and I believe I had a hand in killing it.
  6. Practical libertarian party by iamacat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a lot of sympathy for libertarian ideas, but party leaders need to start thinking how to win elections in a democracy that includes voters with diverse political convictions. I can think of a platform that will appeal to a healthy fraction of Democrats and Republicans:

    • Replace most benefit programs and workspace regulations with nationwide basic income
    • Legalize soft drugs (anything that does not immediately make you claw someone's face off), adult prostitution and right to die on the principles of personal freedom. No nanny state laws like banning smoking and soda.
    • Support for legal gun ownership for private self defense
    • Tackle climate change and pollution with carbon tax as payment to public for private use of shared resources (atmosphere).
    • No broad surveillance without a warrant for specific individuals. All warrants are made public after N years to allow reasonable time for an investigation to complete
  7. Re:That's nice by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am supporting Hillary not because I like her, but because I feel Trump is very dangerous! I would love to vote for Johnson if he becomes close in my state and campaign for him if it will make a difference. It is extremely hard to break the cycle but it has been done. When the Whigs disintegrate the radical unknown Republican party took over.

    I think Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and others might support Johnson rather than Trump or Hillary. Especially if Sara Palin or Trump campaign against him for revenge.

    Ross Perot came close in 1992 with 20% of the vote. This year is different and ripe for a new leader and party

  8. Re:"libertarianism" == "mafia rule" by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Without government to enforce laws, it all devolves into "strong man with big stick takes everything".

    And with the present government, Obama or Hillary or Trump get to be the "strong man with big stick" and have a massive bureaucratic apparatus take everything they may desire from you?

    I'm not seeing a huge difference here in your scenarios. At least without a single monopoly government provider running everything, you might have an opportunity for a bit of freedom.

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    The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
  9. Re:And he means it .. literally .. by Agripa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which part of the NSA is it which sabotages encryption standards?

  10. Gary Johnson on NSA by firepig01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Retired AF intelligence officer here. Feeling like I'm touring Plato's Cave! Gary Johnson's proposal would not strip the military services of their SIGINT capability. He believes the military should have all the resources it needs to defend the country. As others have said, he wants to dismantle that part of the NSA structure that targets the USA, i.e., American citizens. Some discernment please. I saw that interview. The interviewer was unfairly painting Gary as an extremist. He's not. He's a patriot. This is America. Spying on our own citizens in un-American. I'm proud Gary is standing up for freedom.