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Apple Unlikely to Make Big Changes for Next iPhone

The next iPhone isn't going to look much different from the last year's iPhone 6s, or 2014's iPhone 6. According to a WSJ report (paywalled; alternate source), Apple will release two new iPhone models with screen sizes 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch, and both the models will look pretty much similar to the last two year's models. There won't be any 3.5mm headphone port in the new iPhone, though, the report adds. The Cupertino-based company plans to introduce major design changes in its next iPhone, using OLED display and eliminating the home button to use the display for fingerprint scanning. From the report: For years, Apple Chief Design Officer Jony Ive has expressed a desire for the iPhone to appear like a single sheet of glass, according to people familiar with the matter. The current design ideas for the 2017 iPhones are expected to push the handsets in that direction by eliminating much of the bezel around the display, with the OLED screen.

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  1. Not a surprise by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This isn't a surprise. The next Intel chip won't be much different than the last one either. The next computer you own will be very similar to the one you owned 5 years prior. We have really reached an end of the digital road now. You won't likely see huge progress like we have seen in the past due to limitations of physics and power concerns. I know people will scream "Moores Law!!!" but that doesn't apply in 2016. It looks like the Star Trek type future won't be happening.

    1. Re:Not a surprise by macs4all · · Score: 2

      This isn't a surprise. The next Intel chip won't be much different than the last one either. The next computer you own will be very similar to the one you owned 5 years prior. We have really reached an end of the digital road now. You won't likely see huge progress like we have seen in the past due to limitations of physics and power concerns. I know people will scream "Moores Law!!!" but that doesn't apply in 2016. It looks like the Star Trek type future won't be happening.

      Exactly correct.

      Unless there is some newly-discovered law of Physics, Moore's Law is proving to be a "For limited values of..." doctrine.

      I wouldn't say that the Star Trek future won't EVER be happening; but it doesn't look good for the next 20 years or so...

    2. Re:Not a surprise by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally, I think there are a lot of things they could do with the iPhone to make it better, but I think it would hurt their bottom line so they don't do it. The iPhone is $700. Why not ship the base unit with 256 GB of storage. They could do it and still remain profitable. Then they would only have 1 option for storage space, and they could differentiate models on things like battery life. Have a thick version with a headphone jack and an extra large batter, and smaller, thinner version with a smaller battery and no headphone jack (since they insist this is what people want).

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    3. Re:Not a surprise by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you are saying that 256GB should be enough for everyone?

    4. Re:Not a surprise by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

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      Siri: "The Romans were from Italy and had big noses. Here are some results I found for 'Romans" on the web"

    5. Re:Not a surprise by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If we could just wear pajamas at all times I'd be 100% happy.

      Haven't been to Walmart lately, have you?

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    6. Re:Not a surprise by dixonpete · · Score: 2

      Intel's 3D Xpoint and Samsung's 3D NAND should be hitting the market by the end of the year so next year's phones could have a very significant bump.

    7. Re:Not a surprise by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Personally, I think there are a lot of things they could do with the iPhone to make it better, but I think it would hurt their bottom line so they don't do it. The iPhone is $700. Why not ship the base unit with 256 GB of storage. They could do it and still remain profitable. Then they would only have 1 option for storage space, and they could differentiate models on things like battery life. Have a thick version with a headphone jack and an extra large batter, and smaller, thinner version with a smaller battery and no headphone jack (since they insist this is what people want).

      Then people who only want 16GB will ask Apple for a cheaper model.

      You and I might feel 16GB is highly inadequate, but the 16GB models do sell, and there's lots of people who find it more than adequate - they don't use apps, take very few photos, etc. More than likely, their phone will be broken/obsoleted long before they're even 50% used.

      Different formfactors is stupid - accessory manufacturers like case makers really hate when you do more than a few. Apple keeps the formfactors similar so a case maker can use the same molds with the cases for a few years (and people like to keep the same case patterns). It's why on the Android side other than a few top selling phones, cases are non-existent and you either deal with it caseless, use an ill-fitting generic case, or use whatever crappy one the manufacturer supplies.

      As for the headphone jack, Apple's just copying a trend in the Android space where phones there are shedding them - I believe the OnePlus did it as does some other big phones.

    8. Re:Not a surprise by PeelBoy · · Score: 2

      No it's not correct. (Well maybe the Star Trek part) People have been spouting that crap since the day I started reading Slashdot.

      Yes, we'll reach some sort of limit at some point, but technology will still find a way to progress even when that happens.

      In terms of speed, we're not close to that limit yet.

      In terms of functionality, features, looks, feel, there will always be room for change.

      ESPECIALLY with phones and smaller electronic devices.

    9. Re:Not a surprise by swb · · Score: 2

      I think they could loosen up on peripheral attachment without affecting the bottom line much.

      It sure seems like you could do a lot more with their devices if they allowed more ancillary peripherals to be attached to them. You still can't pair a mouse with an iPad, fer cryin' out loud.

      Other than mass storage devices, it's hard to see where a sensor or some other widget attached to an iDevice would impact Apple's bottom line other than Apple not getting a cut of the sale.

      In some ways, though, they seemed to have backed themselves into a profitability corner. Any change they might make which would *doesn't* directly increase profitability and even only theoretically may cause them to lose out on revenue becomes a non-option. Trouble is, without any innovation, the entire thing starts to stagnate.

  2. If nothing much is changing... by PmanAce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...why release a new one? I guess for suckers like my friend who has bought every single new version of the iPhone since day 1.

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    1. Re:If nothing much is changing... by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They call the car the same as they did the year prior.

      And Apple is calling all iPhone an iPhone, just like Chevy calls all Camaros a Camaro. Chevy differentiates models by model year and trim level. Apple differentiates iPhone models by a model number and a modifier.

    2. Re:If nothing much is changing... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      They might call the car the same, but they will refer to it by the year it was released. e.g. The 2016 Chevrolet Camaro which is different than the 2015 Chevrolet Camaro and the 2017 Chevrolet Camaro.

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  3. No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by powerlord · · Score: 2

    As someone who was starting to look at upgrading his phone (5s going strong so far), I know that the lack of headphone jack is going to make me sit right back down and wait on the purchase.

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  4. How is this news? by scunc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple is releasing a new product with little to no changes compared to the previous model, and yet still expects people to shell out hundreds of dollars for the new version? Sounds like they've finally figured out their customer base! Steve Jobs would be so proud ...

  5. No Headphone Jack by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe that the next iPhone won't have a headphone jack. I think the world really isn't ready for this change. Personally I use Bluetooth headphones 80% of the time, but I think going that last 20% would be problematic. And if their headphone adapters are as resilient as their charging cables, this is going to end up being a major problem. I don't think that most people would go for a phone without a headphone jack. Even if they don't use it most of the time.

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    1. Re:No Headphone Jack by desdinova+216 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was at a gaming convention this past weekend, and a number of vendors were using card reader dongles that attach via the headphone jack

    2. Re:No Headphone Jack by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      I was at a gaming convention this past weekend, and a number of vendors were using card reader dongles that attach via the headphone jack

      I guess Square will refocus on Android.

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    3. Re:No Headphone Jack by _xeno_ · · Score: 2

      The latest Square connects using Bluetooth, so there's that.

      But if you read that page, you'll discover that it still requires the headphone jack for swiping cards. So maybe they will just focus on Android.

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  6. Re:No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by macs4all · · Score: 2

    As someone who was starting to look at upgrading his phone (5s going strong so far), I know that the lack of headphone jack is going to make me sit right back down and wait on the purchase.

    Depends on how they handle this.

    You DO realize that Apple has a pretty long and successful track record of getting excoriated for getting rid of "legacy" ports and peripherals, only to have the rest of the industry follow suit in the next year or so, right?

  7. No built in 3.5mm headphone jack by HannethCom · · Score: 2

    Apple has said that they will have an adapter that you can use the 3.5 headphones on. It will plug into the charging/data port. Of course being Apple the adapter will be way over priced.

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  8. Re:So... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    No wireless and less space than a Nomad? Lame.

  9. Re:No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

    I built a bluetooth receiver for my car out of a Raspberry Pi. You can buy them too, except they cost $80 instead of the $20 I paid. It's much nicer than an audio cable.

  10. Re:No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by crankyspice · · Score: 2

    Maybe my next car purchase in 10-12 years I'll remember to include BT for the stereo system...

    It's a cheap and decidedly worthwhile upgrade to existing tech / cars. I stuck a Grom unit behind the stock radio in my '04 E46M3, and in my 21-year-old 1995 Jeep Wrangler I simply swapped in a sub-$100 new head unit (Clarion but there are so many options). Much better solution than wrestling with a 1/8" cord constantly, especially with the wear and tear those cords get in an automotive environment (jiggle it just right to get audio out of both channels...).

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  11. Re:No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This one is a pretty big leap. Most people who buy headphones I want them compatible with everything. I have some devices I plug into that are 10 years old and will still be used long into the future, and this means an audio cable. While I have an audio cable anyway, why would I want to pay a premium for in-headset bluetooth and at the cost of having to charge them all the time. When flash drives came out, USB was already prevelent and that was fine. I haven't looked for a thunderbolt hub for quite awhile but last I checked they were still a lot harder to find than usb hubs. Finally, I swear at apple every time I have to find my displayport adapter. I still have three working VGA monitors and the macbook is so far the only PC I have without a VGA or HDMI port.

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  12. Re:No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by KingMotley · · Score: 2

    Oh, and if you don't happen to have a car stereo with a line in because it's so old, here you go: https://www.amazon.com/Audio-C...

  13. Be bold! by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    His Steviness the Jobs didn't make Apple what it is by doing the same thing over and over again.

    Be bold! Make the corners pointed. Heck, stick bloody great spikes on them! Or even make them in black!

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  14. Re:why? by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because it has less of the stuff that helps stop your phone from getting broken (bezel) and a higher percentage of the stuff that's easy to break (the glass), of course!

    Yeah, I can't imagine why Apple would even consider going back to those glass backs. I was planning to upgrade my original iPhone as soon as they got a front-facing camera, but I ended up skipping the iPhone 4 and 4s precisely because the last thing I want is a fragile decorative element that does nothing but add risk.

    Ironically, when I got the iPhone 5, I found it so thin that I kept dropping it, so I immediately put it in a case. I honestly don't understand why Apple even cares about the case design of phones anymore. The darn things are so hard to hold that nobody I know actually carries one without a case that completely hides Apple's industrial design anyway.

    I don't know what's more horrifying—the idea of extra glass or the idea that the author of this story thinks that removing the iPhone's only analog I/O and forcing everybody to either use horrible, high-latency bluetooth or fragile, Apple-proprietary adapter cables doesn't constitute a big change.... It will be enough to make me skip two generations again.

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  15. Re: No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In reality it was Amazon, in shitty memory Apple does all the good stuff first.

  16. Meh by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

    I think I'm the only one that isn't ready to burn down Cupertino over the headphone jack. Yes I'd sorta rather have it than not, but I really don't physically plug my phone into anything other than to charge it. I either use my suppplied earbuds or I use bluetooth.

    I will concede, though, that if they remove it something interesting should be put in its place. I don't need a better speaker, which is what it sounds like they're doing. You've got me there, I'd be frustrated if they dumped the headphone jack for that. But if they used that space for more battery, or maybe somehow that extra space got it a better camera, I'd toss that jack away in a heart beat.

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  17. Re:No Headphone Jack? No Sale. by GuB-42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except that the jack connector is far from obsolete.
    It is used on new products everywhere, in all price ranges, even Apple's earbuds use it. Quality-wise, it is more than enough for stereo audio signals within the range of human hearing, in fact you will be hard pressed to find a high-end headset that uses something else.