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Federal Court: The Fourth Amendment Does Not Protect Your Home Computer (eff.org)

An anonymous reader writes: The EFF reports that a federal court in Virginia today ruled that a criminal defendant has no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in his personal computer (PDF), located inside his home. The court says the federal government does not need a warrant to hack into an individual's computer. EFF reports: "The implications for the decision, if upheld, are staggering: law enforcement would be free to remotely search and seize information from your computer, without a warrant, without probable cause, or without any suspicion at all. To say the least, the decision is bad news for privacy. But it's also incorrect as a matter of law, and we expect there is little chance it would hold up on appeal. (It also was not the central component of the judge's decision, which also diminishes the likelihood that it will become reliable precedent.) But the decision underscores a broader trend in these cases: courts across the country, faced with unfamiliar technology and unsympathetic defendants, are issuing decisions that threaten everyone's rights.

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  1. The message is clear: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Encrypt all the files!!!

    No exceptions.

    1. Re:The message is clear: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Encrypt all the files!!!

      No exceptions.

      They'll just lock you away until you tell them the passwords.

      USA! USA! USA!

    2. Re:The message is clear: by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Offline was the only safe place even before the government got cart blanch to hack you...

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    3. Re:The message is clear: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then they'll lock you away for not telling them about the hidden containers. And if there aren't any hidden containers, they'll lock you away because you can't prove there aren't any.

      Welcome to America, your cell is just down the hall.

    4. Re:The message is clear: by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The broken-window-blind analogy works if your computer is openly broadcasting data or accepting access: if you're running a P2P application or an HTTP server sharing all your files to the world, that's your fault. Computer services are passively providing service, same as if you put a sign out front that said "FREE WEED!"--or didn't, but the cops heard people go to your house for that sort of thing, and walked up and knocked on the door and said the rumored password, and got weed.

      All adversarial accesses (trojan downloader, remote exploit, password cracking) are akin to bypassing your windows or door locks. A trojan downloader is an undeclared search, like sneaking a cop into your house by posing as a horny bar girl and following you home. These aren't the same thing as finding an open port or active service.

      The judge's analysis is ridiculous.

  2. What Constitution? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Full Scale Assault on personal liberties.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Franklin

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    1. Re: What Constitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didn't you get the memo, see the meme pictures? The Constitution was written by a bunch of dudes long time ago, they couldn't anticipate computer and shit so obviously it's not protected. /s

    2. Re:What Constitution? by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not hyperbole.

      It's just one more step in the wrong direction. The country will not fall overnight. It's going to be a long, drawn-out process, but the closer we get to the end, the faster events will happen. We already have a central government that is way too strong and is drunk on its power. Soon it will be impossible to stop the move to totalitarianism. We may already have passed the point of no return.

      I'm 63 years old. I remember what the country was just a few decades ago, and I've studied enough history to understand where we're headed. It's not going to be pretty and I guarantee that nobody will like it.

      Vote in November. It won't make any difference which way you vote.

    3. Re:What Constitution? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is where slippery slope fallacy isn't really a fallacy. In just today's news, there are several different versions of assault on our liberties enumerated in the Constitution. And while you may be in favor of some of those assaults (from both Right and Left), I can assure you that ALL of them will eventually get passed, when nobody is looking or paying attention. And the real criminals, those in congress violating their oath, will be congratulated by those that support their party blindly.

      So, no, it isn't hyperbole.

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    4. Re:What Constitution? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To any sane person, if they need a warrant to come through your door to seize the data, they need a warrant to seize the data over the wire.

      But, whenever civil liberties and State power come into conflict, the House wins. Those "protections" are only there to keep you feeling like you're not at risk from the government, but don't push them.

      And please present your Internet License, Subject # 134-33-2219.

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  3. I'd say my computer is an extended part of my brai by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and therefore, it needs super extra protection. Its forbidden to open someone's skull to look for info as well, as should be the analogon for computers.

  4. Re:We need a penalty for retarded judges by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We ransack all of their personal computers.

    We don't need a warrant.

  5. It's called a Telescreen by flatulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Stop calling it a PC. George Orwell should get credit for naming this surveillance tool.

  6. If upheld: Time to go offline? by kheldan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If this was upheld by SCOTUS then about all you could do anymore is keep anything important or sensitive on an external drive that is only connected when you need to access it. For those of you who are super-paranoid, I guess it would be time to have no internal HDD in your computer, and boot from a DVD, so your system is 100% read-only.

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  7. No, that's not what the court ruled. by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was an open-and-shut search with a warrant, arising out of the FBI running a kiddie porn site after taking control of it. The warrant authorized the deployment of malware disguised to look like kiddie porn that, when opened, would cause the target's machine to identify its IP address, operating system, etc. This was then followed by a search warrant for the residence, during which the computers were confiscated and their contents searched. That search was covered under the residential search warrant, so no additional warrant was needed to search the contents of the machine that was confiscated.

    The defendant has no prayer unless he can show reasonable cause for the jury to believe that someone else was using or controlling the computer in question at the time, or unless he can convince the judge to throw out the warrant based on the investigative technique itself being illegal in some way (fruit of the poisonous tree).

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  8. Re:We need a penalty for retarded judges by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should be pretty simple: Would it be illegal for an ordinary citizen to do something? If the answer is yes, you need a warrant.

    So, if an investigation involves going to somebody's webpage, that doesn't require a warrant. If the investigation involves compromising a computer - brute force password crack, sneaking in and installing a keylogger, utilizing a zero day exploit - you need a warrant.

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  9. Re:EFF really fibbed on this one. There was a warr by jratcliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, they didn't. The court ruled that there was a warrant, but even if there hadn't been, there was no need for one, since there was no expectation of privacy on an Internet-connected computer. See the section starting at the bottom of page 47.

  10. Re:We need a penalty for retarded judges by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Impeachment, probably.

    The real problem, I think, is that a lot of older judges just don't understand technology. Now, that doesn't mean it was the case here, certainly (I have no idea who the judge was), but judges like the one in the Oracle vs Google trial, who took the time to learn to code in Java just to understand what was going on, are few and far between. There's probably a lot more older ones who are about as computer savvy as your parents or grandparents, who think computers are for Facebook and cat pictures. They don't understand that when the Founding Fathers were talking about the privacy of one's personal letters and effects, those EXACT things are today stored on your computer and your phone. Almost nobody has a locked drawer full of paper documents anymore, it's all electronic, and on your computer (well, hopefully you store it locally, rather than in the cloud). It absolutely should be protected.

  11. Ahem... by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The court argues that since "computer hacking is more prevalent than it was even nine years ago" the defendant has no expectation of privacy to the contents of his own machine.

    This is like arguing the content of a person's wallet is not private because of the existence of pick-pockets.

    This is insanity.

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  12. Re:You know what is frustrating for me? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't have nothing to hide? Really?

    I do. Mostly because I don't know what becomes illegal tomorrow. You like guns? Did you notice what comes around every time someone shoots someone, like, say, the bit in Orlando? Again, regulation was on the table. Do you have guns that could be outlawed? Or do you speak out for having such guns? As soon as something like this becomes law, you'll be in the focus. Whether you have those guns or not, you're one who wants them and that makes you suspect.

    How about speaking your mind, hmm? Maybe you have noticed a certain, let's say, rise in political correctness, and that being enshrined in law that you have to be politically correct? Look up "hate speech" if you don't. So far it's just that you can't call a black man nigger and you shouldn't call a Mexican Spic, but are you sure it stays there? What if it becomes illegal, an actual crime, to call a homosexual fag, and you did just do that in public? And hurt the feelings of someone who could then sue you for more than your house and your car is worth. Still got nothing to hide?

    Need I go on?

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