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Chrome Bug Makes It Easy To Download Movies From Netflix and Amazon Prime

A vulnerability found in Chrome by researchers allows people to save copies of movies and TV shows from streaming websites such as Netflix and Amazon Prime. From a Gizmodo report:The vulnerability, first reported by Wired (Editor's note: Wired blocks adblockers), takes advantage of the Widevine EME/CDM technology that Chrome uses to stream encrypted video from content providers. Researchers David Livshits from the Cyber Security Research Center at Ben-Gurion University and Alexandra Mikityuk of Telekom Innovation Laboratories discovered a way to hijack streaming video from the decryption module in the Chrome browser after content has been sent from services like Netflix or Amazon Prime. The researchers created a proof-of-concept (which is currently the only evidence of the exploit) to show how easily they could illegally download streaming video once CDM technology has decrypted it.Google was notified of the bug last month but is yet to patch it.

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  1. Netflix shares to rise by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    If this gets out in the wild, there will be a bunch of new netfllix subscribers...

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    1. Re:Netflix shares to rise by I-am-a-Banana · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am a Netflix subscriber. When I VPN into my work network my computer goes through a US proxy and I get the more featured US Netflix. If tool came out I would love it because I could download the show, and then watch it later through my media player.

    2. Re:Netflix shares to rise by lgw · · Score: 1

      I hadn't thought of the benifit this will have for Netflix. My first take was: Chome "bug" makes it easy to download videos from Google's competitors. This really helps those guys, though, unless it lasts long enough that the content owners start getting pissed at Netflix (not sure how much it matters to Amazon's "purchase" model).

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    3. Re:Netflix shares to rise by flyingfsck · · Score: 5, Informative

      For real operating system users:
      ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 25 -s cif -i :0.0 out.mpeg

      For toy operating system users:
      install uscreencapture dshow filter, then ffmpeg -f dshow -i video="UScreenCapture" out.mp4

      You are welcome.

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    4. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is how the it should be classified in their bug-reporting system:

      Wontfix: notabug

    5. Re:Netflix shares to rise by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

      Or people get a free 14 day trial and then quit after downloading everything they'd ever be interested in watching.

    6. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know, I still can't figure out why they block using IPs instead of billing data. Netflix (at the behest of MAFIAA companies) has been very aggressive about blocking VPNs. They've even blocked IPv6 because they can't figure out how to geocode the IPs. Meanwhile, many thousands of users like you and me can log into a private/corporate VPN that Netflix doesn't readily identify as being a VPN, and everything is unlocked. I have a $10/month VPS in a Dallas datacenter I use for all kinds of stuff, among which, tunneling my Netflix connections, and it works fine for me living in Chile.

      But I don't understand why they try to do all this based on IP addresses. It seems like the worst possible method to use for restricting content. Netflix has your billing information. If you're paying for your account with a US credit card billed to a US address, you should get US content when you login to Netflix no matter what your IP address is. Likewise if your billing information says you're in Japan or Russia or wherever, then you should get that country's catalog when you log in, no matter what your IP address is. Sure the system can be fooled, but it's a lot harder to set up an address and get a credit card in a foreign country, than it is to find a proxy/tunnel. Why does Netflix insist on using IPs instead of the account holder's billing information?

    7. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For real operating system users:

      ffmpeg -f x11grab -r 25 -s cif -i :0.0 out.mpeg

      For toy operating system users:

      install uscreencapture dshow filter, then ffmpeg -f dshow -i video="UScreenCapture" out.mp4

      You are welcome.

      Real operating system doesn't need graphics, peasant.

    8. Re:Netflix shares to rise by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you're paying for your account with a US credit card billed to a US address, you should get US content when you login to Netflix no matter what your IP address is.

      That would be correct if the license from the movie studio were "You may perform this motion picture to users who are tax resident in this area." But it isn't. Instead, it is "You may perform this motion picture in this area."

    9. Re:Netflix shares to rise by tepples · · Score: 2

      install uscreencapture dshow filter

      Does that even work if a player application that uses Protected Media Path is running?

    10. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That would be correct if the license from the movie studio were "You may perform this motion picture to users who are tax resident in this area." But it isn't. Instead, it is "You may perform this motion picture in this area."

      I believe my fellow AC's point was that the existing method of geocoding IPs is already insufficient for fulfilling the requirement of "you may perform this motion picture in this area", and that basing it off of billing data will be much more effective at doing just that, even though it does do it in a round-about, indirect method.

      Though I will concede that the problem is likely that Netflix would first need to convince the dinosaurs over at the MPAA that restricting based on billing data will be more likely to achieve their goals.

    11. Re:Netflix shares to rise by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      People near the borders (or people looking to make a few bucks) would drive across and buy a local pre-paid card (and possibly even a Mailboxes Etc. type address) to get the content of a nearby country. They could easily sell the cards and/or the billing address to others in their country.

    12. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am guessing they think billing data is easier for the *general population* to manipulate.

    13. Re:Netflix shares to rise by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      I am guessing they think billing data is easier for the *general population* to manipulate.

      It would become so shortly after NetFlix switched to setting availability based on billing address. Businesses would spring up almost overnight to offer US-paid NetFlix accounts to customers in other regions, if they don't already exist for VPN users.

      Canadians have been buying US-based subscriptions for satellite services for years.

    14. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Isn't that going to result in horrible sampling-frequency related tearing / juddering? When we used to do this with PowerDVD back in the nineties, I think the capture process somehow slaved the playback process to it to prevent synchronization issues..

    15. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't capture audio tho

    16. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just tried this. Yes, it works, but it's kind of just the first step. No audio, picture a little fuzzy.

    17. Re: Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's exactly how to get Netflix no longer working in Chrome.

    18. Re:Netflix shares to rise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can also use ffmpeg -f gdigrab on WIndows.

    19. Re:Netflix shares to rise by allo · · Score: 1

      why should netflix care? They sell their accounts and that's it. The movie studios can try to sue the payment companies. Good luck.

    20. Re:Netflix shares to rise by allo · · Score: 1

      i think you can grab audio via pulseaudio. linux has some recordmydesktop program, which does so as well. I guess it has ffmpeg under the hood.

    21. Re: Netflix shares to rise by allo · · Score: 1

      as widevine is used by chrome, opera, vivaldi and others, there would not much be left. some msie with all its quirks and a vanishing number of firefox users.

  2. All your base ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... belong to the system running your code. Google can't prevent this without controlling both physical and logical access to clients. Sorry. If your code runs on my processor, I can tell it what to do (or not to do).

    1. Re:All your base ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can and will be prosecuted though.

    2. Re:All your base ... by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      No you won't.

  3. Livshits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    LOL!!!!

    1. Re:Livshits by downright · · Score: 1

      Its a common name in the Ukraine.

  4. This is not a vulnerability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a feature!

    1. Re:This is not a vulnerability by TroII · · Score: 1

      That's probably why it hasn't been fixed yet, maybe the Google employees working on Chrome like using the feature themselves.

    2. Re:This is not a vulnerability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we classify everything the owner of a machine (or someone else having root access) can do to the data and software running on that machine, then every program longer than zero bytes is vulnerable.
      Yes, that does make DRM look like fairytale, and it is.

  5. Re:So stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    So stop being the asshole who posts links to Wired.

    Stop being the asshole who blocks ads/won't pay for a subscription.

  6. DRM the poem by downright · · Score: 5, Funny

    DRM will always fail.
    If it is on a screen or through a speaker
    I can capture and re-feature
    So spend your money and waste your time
    I want media I buy to be mine
    I can watch it on a tv
    I can watch it on a phone
    I can watch it in a car
    I can watch it at home
    I know to this you are appalled
    But any other way and we don't want it at all.
     

    1. Re:DRM the poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But any other way and we don't want it at all.

      So why don't you create these tv shows and movies yourselves partnering with like-minded people and distribute the content for free? Where is the OSS (free as in beer) movement for artistic content?

    2. Re:DRM the poem by Ormy · · Score: 1

      Love it. Mod-up.

    3. Re:DRM the poem by Calydor · · Score: 4, Informative

      He wasn't talking about getting anything for free. He very specifically talks about media that has been bought.

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    4. Re:DRM the poem by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      But any other way and we don't want it at all.

      So why don't you create [content] yourselves partnering with like-minded people and distribute the content for free?

      I think they just did.

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    5. Re:DRM the poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then what does this mean?

      If it is on a screen or through a speaker
      I can capture and re-feature

    6. Re:DRM the poem by tepples · · Score: 1

      So why don't you create these tv shows and movies yourselves

      Probably for fear that someone else will sue me for the story, character design, or something else being "too similar" to an existing work.

      I want media I buy to be mine

      and distribute the content for free?

      That's not what I think downright was talking about.

    7. Re:DRM the poem by suutar · · Score: 1

      It means that DRM has unfixable weaknesses, because part of the path cannot be encrypted.

    8. Re:DRM the poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use "simplescreenrecorder" on Ubuntu. works with any browser and the quality and frame-rate is ok on my dual-core netbook. I didn't want a 4k copy anyway. (you may want to disable screensavers and sleep-mode if recording unattended.)

    9. Re:DRM the poem by Christian+Smith · · Score: 1

      It means that DRM has unfixable weaknesses, because part of the path cannot be encrypted.

      It can, but it just wouldn't make for good viewing.

    10. Re:DRM the poem by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      DRM will always fail.

      Serious question: How has HDMI with HDCP failed?

      Yes, it's succeeded in annoying users (with products that don't always sync properly, and heck, taking longer to change inputs on one's TV due to the delay).. But hasn't it succeeded in (unfortunately) getting rid of the "analog hole"?

    11. Re:DRM the poem by downright · · Score: 1

      You can video the TV and capture the audio. You can screen capture the DVD from any computer. How does HDMI stop piracy? It doesn't. The people selling the specification merely pretend it does. I like HDMI by the way. Fewer cables... it just doesn't stop piracy. Not even a little.

    12. Re:DRM the poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait until everyone born needs an implant such that the data is encrypted all the way to the brain.

    13. Re:DRM the poem by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      The easier answer is boycott...

    14. Re:DRM the poem by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      But those are all "poorer copies".

      I'm still saying I don't think it's good, because of the user facing syncing issues and such.. I just think that it's succeeded _at what they attempted to do_.

      HDMI != HDCP.

    15. Re: DRM the poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it poorer? I can point a 60mp camera at a 4k projection and automate a frame by frame capture, then recompress at original quality.
      I can also make it a straight playback and 1080p+ grab in realtime. Or use a cheap noncompliant Chinese dongle to strip it with no camera needed at all.

    16. Re:DRM the poem by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Didn't even get rid of the digital hole. The moment the master HDCP 1.x key was reverse engineered and leaked out it was game over. You can go on eBay and buy a cheap standalone box that will record a HDCP encrypted stream to an H264 encoded MP4. Sure some loss of quality but way better than an analogue hole.

  7. If only there was anything worth downloading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only their streaming collections weren't piles of excrement I might actually care but as it stands there's nothing worth watching on either service except for the few original series they produce that I can stream unlimited as a member anyway.

    1. Re:If only there was anything worth downloading by phishybongwaters · · Score: 0

      you must have pretty shitty taste as *most* of the original content is utter garbage, and not even original.

  8. In the Case of Prime by twmcneil · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This should be called a feature. Netflix advertises itself as a streaming service. Amazon Prime claims that you can "own" the movie. Problem is Prime is still just a streaming service. It's false advertising and the reason I don't use Prime for movies. If I "buy" a movie, I expect to be able to d/l to a portable drive so I can watch it when I don't have a data connection. If I subscribe to streaming service, I won't have that expecation.

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    1. Re:In the Case of Prime by Stealth+Dave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Amazon Prime claims that you can "own" the movie. Problem is Prime is still just a streaming service. It's false advertising and the reason I don't use Prime for movies. If I "buy" a movie, I expect to be able to d/l to a portable drive so I can watch it when I don't have a data connection. If I subscribe to streaming service, I won't have that expecation.

      I think you mean Amazon Video, the division that sells content for download and purchase, not Amazon Prime which actually is a streaming service similar to Netflix. However, by this definition, you are buying movies from Amazon Video; not just streaming. Any video content that you purchase from Amazon can be downloaded to your Android or iOS device (including an external microSD Card in the case of the former) with the Amazon Video app for later playback offline; no data connection required. We do this regularly to watch movies from Amazon while on a flight, in a car with no wifi, etc. You can even download Amazon Prime video (which you do not own) and play it offline for a certain period of time, which I believe is 30-45 days from the time of download; quite reasonable for content that you do not own, IMO.

      What you cannot do is play it back on any device with a player of your choice. Amazon Video, just like Apple's iTunes, Google Play, Vudu, UltraViolet partners, etc., places DRM on all content that they sell, and it will only play on authorized devices and software.

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    2. Re:In the Case of Prime by chispito · · Score: 1

      This should be called a feature. Netflix advertises itself as a streaming service. Amazon Prime claims that you can "own" the movie. Problem is Prime is still just a streaming service. It's false advertising and the reason I don't use Prime for movies. If I "buy" a movie, I expect to be able to d/l to a portable drive so I can watch it when I don't have a data connection. If I subscribe to streaming service, I won't have that expecation.

      I get what you are saying but you are not describing Amazon Prime, which features a streaming video service and no claims of ownership. You are describing "Amazon Video," the option which allows you to "buy" or rent videos to stream to your computer or other devices.

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  9. Repeat after me... by kju · · Score: 3, Informative

    DRM does not work. There will always be a way around it.

    1. Re:Repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some people believe that one day they'll figure out how to let you listen to something without you being able to record it, or show you something without you being able to take a picture of it.

    2. Re:Repeat after me... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      If you can see it or hear it, it can be copied. Always.

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    3. Re:Repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I noticed your sentence begins with "if." What if we violate the premise? Seems like you might be able to design a good DRM system if you just get rid of customers.

      And from my PoV, that's exactly what they have been doing. The harder they make things to hear or watch, the more easy it is to find someone else who would prefer to take my money.

    4. Re:Repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Technically you could implant every human child's retina/auditory nerve with a microelectrode array with an integrated DAC/ADC which xors the incoming stream with an individualized one-time pad that decrypts incoming visual/auditory stimulus. This would make Movie Theaters a little bit of a shit show as you would need a retro-reflective movie screen, shutter glasses, and an ultra high framerate projector capable of ~300x the present lumen output. I'm also not sure if "Persistence of Vision" is capable of taking 1/9000 of a second high intensity flashes and making them appear as bright as a 1/30 second flash at 1/300th the intensity.

    5. Re:Repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At that point you might as well implant a chip into the brain that immediately removes all memory of having seen/heard anything the second after, so you have to pay and pay again. Wait, what are we paying for? I don't remember....

    6. Re:Repeat after me... by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you can see it or hear it, it can be copied. Always.

      Then perhaps this Widevine breach benefits video game distributors at the expense of noninteractive video services such as Netflix and Amazon Prime. You can't see or hear video game rules; you must instead infer them from the picture resulting from their application.

    7. Re:Repeat after me... by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1

      DRM only affects legitimate customers. DRM is the first thing removed from the pirated copies. And yes, I'm one of those guys who pirated something, liked it, bought the box set, and still pirates it because FUCK CHANGING DISCS

    8. Re:Repeat after me... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Not once they deliver the content directly to your brain with DNA locked injection modules. Oh, and make all other forms of analog content illegal.

      Think it can't happen? Remember how AT&T operated their network up until the 1990s?

    9. Re:Repeat after me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it really that difficult to make an iso from the disc?

  10. Illegally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it truly illegal, or just against terms of service.

    And yes, I know you may say that the terms of service include not copying etc. However, illegality needs to be determined by law, and not contract. You may have a fair use exception for keeping the content longer than the brief time it is normally on your system.

    Remember, video recording of over the air TV was considered "illegal" by movie studios until the courts in the US clarified it for them. (Which led to all those "losses" they suffered as the home video market took off and they profited.)

    1. Re:Illegally? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Copyright law gives the copyright holder the right to dictate who can copy and for what use. That means license--contract--has legal force, and violation of license is violation of law.

    2. Re:Illegally? by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

      thanks to mpaa and friends, bypassing DRM (even if its for legal purposes!) is illegal. Documenting how to bypass it is illegal too.

      In fact, if you tell google about the "vulnerability", you already commit a crime. Therefore, I think its best that google doesn't fix the "vulnerability", because if they fix it, people will find out about the details of the "vulnerability" by reading the git history, and this means google commits a crime itself.

    3. Re:Illegally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civil law, not criminal law, at least in the civilised world.

    4. Re:Illegally? by Desler · · Score: 0

      Is it truly illegal, or just against terms of service.

      It's illegal without a license to do so.

      However, illegality needs to be determined by law, and not contract.

      It is determined by law. Are you just completely ignorant of copyright statues?

    5. Re:Illegally? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      According to the Constitution, copyright law set terms for who can distribute copies. There is no other declaration. A private individual can make a million copies of any copyrighted work and stuff them in their parent's basement. This is not illegal. Taking one of those copies and giving it to someone else, however, is against the law. Now the *AAs have worked extremely hard to make you believe that copying itself is illegal, and even got circumvention of DRM enshrined into law with criminal punishments. This is why downloaders don't actually get prosecuted in the US. Wait you say, there's.... That's incorrect, every single one of those folks were sharing their content, and they were actually prosecuted for sharing, not merely downloading.

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    6. Re:Illegally? by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

      It gives them *certain* rights. But there are limits and exceptions to those rights.

      Just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    7. Re:Illegally? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Since you can easily copy any DRM'd material merely by "playing" it, this seems foolish.

      Audio can be intercepted at any point after decryption. You're not bypassing any DRM in doing so. Audio DRM is like having every door in your house having a lock, but only using 1 key and keeping that key on a hook outside your front door.

      For video, the process is similar although a little more technically challenged thanks to the anti-consumer HDCP implementation. You can still film the screen directly if you really wanted to, and given the number of cinema copies done this way, this seems acceptable to some. However, with various levels of technical know how (or just a "bad" splitter) you get access to the direct bitstream and can do what you want. This is all without violating any DMCA, since all the DRM pieces are all working as they're supposed to.

      Basically, all that happened with the DMCA is that they made it inconvenient for law-abiding people to legally copy video and audio works like they were able to do ever since the 1976 (decided in 1984) Sony Betamax case, and perhaps the last time Sony ever did anything (unintentionally) pro-consumer. But do not ever confuse the *AA statements with what you actually can and are allowed to do.

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    8. Re:Illegally? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      It's illegal without a license to do so.

      It is determined by law. Are you just completely ignorant of copyright statues?

      There are 2 laws, one is copyright, which regulates distribution of copies. You are not violating this law by copying a stream.

      The other is the DMCA. Since you're not cracking the DRM but exploiting a flaw in the executing program, you are technically not violating the DMCA any more than if you opened your monitor up and captured the bitstream past the HDMI/HDCP connection where it is no longer encrypted.

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    9. Re:Illegally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really want to go to prison for downloading an Adam Sandler movie? Just pay for what you want to watch. sheesh

    10. Re:Illegally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The legality of the DMCA hasn't been tested in the courts and until then it is anyone's guess if it is constitutional. I remember similar arguments being made about crypto technology. The court ruled against the government.

      In the case of DRM and documenting it, it is prior restraint and the courts have almost always ruled against the government. I'm betting if this ever makes it to court this will fall as well.

    11. Re:Illegally? by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1

      I didn't think civil cases could end in 10 year jail sentences. Movie piracy cases can end with 10 year jail sentences. Sadly, we haven't lived in a civilized world for about as long as the MPAA and RIAA have been around.

    12. Re:Illegally? by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1

      Ahh but you forget that while you do indeed have the right to make copies for yourself, you do not have the right to circumvent copy protection. And that, my friend, is called "the rub"

    13. Re:Illegally? by phishybongwaters · · Score: 1

      I do not think you've encountered cinavia then. Its genius really, you can't stop them from making copies. BUT you can digitally fingerprint the audio, push through a law that requires all devices to support the software, then stop them from playing it. Yes I'm fully aware there are limitations with cinavia and on the whole, it was a failure. But it was a first run attempt, the next one won't be so easy to bypass.

    14. Re:Illegally? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      And if you read else where, since you can see and hear it, you can always "copy" it, because all DRM is operational and not circumvented. You can even get perfect or near perfect copies without touching any DRM yourself. We go back to the "if you can see it or hear it, it can be copied" statement. The entire DMCA is a massive red herring by the *AA that is intended to attempt to make the act of copying illegal, but note that it is still legal to copy anything, so it fails legally because what they're attempting is physically impossible. The marketing could be considered a success since people like you bought it hook line and sinker.

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    15. Re:Illegally? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      They tried it with macrovision and any number of other things. Again, it will always fail. Anything can be copied and pushing a law through won't stop people from playing things back, because you can't control all devices. For instance, if I bought a new TV and it wouldn't play something my old one will, I return it. Buy another. Return it, cycle repeats a few million times with a bunch of consumers, and voila, bankrupt manufacturer. Oh, and you'd have to have a global law to enact such a thing. They tried with HDMI/HDCP. HDCP 2.0 lasted about 2 weeks before it was broken. I wouldn't put money on any DRM. Audio has ditched it without negative effects. Video will follow soon enough, I hope. Too bad Steve couldn't get that task finished. BD content plays awesomely on my HTPC and not having to deal with HDCP issues when I multiplex shows you what life could be. The only thing I'm missing is a MVC 3D MKV capable player. TAB or SBS just doesn't cut it.

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    16. Re:Illegally? by stephenmac7 · · Score: 1
      Guess Japan isn't civilized.

      2. Criminal Remedies

      imprisonment up to 10 years or fine up to 10 million yen, or both will be charged to...

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    17. Re: Illegally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please quote the relevant part of the Constitution that backs up what you're saying.

    18. Re:Illegally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not illegal outside America.

    19. Re:Illegally? by allo · · Score: 1

      Which means, if you do not obtain a license, it is a copyright violation. And nothing more.

  11. Re:So stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll get right on that, Mr. Conde Nast employer. Oh wait, what's the opposite of that?

  12. Da fuq? by Desler · · Score: 1

    (Editor's note: Wired blocks adblockers)

    Only in a really poor way apparently. I have an ad-blocker and can get to the link just fine.

  13. whut evvar by cellocgw · · Score: 2, Informative

    And nearly all that content can be accessed faster and more easily via kat or piratebay.

    bfd, really

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  14. not "illegally downloaded" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you had to have the paid subscription in the first place. call it what it really is, time and/or place shifting for people with shoddy internets, or quotas/throttles that are lifted during off-peak times, or for offline viewing.

    you can tivo/dvr hbo, also a paid subscription, and end up with a drm-free near-hd quality (subject to how shitty the cable company recompresses the stream), and that is perfectly legal to do.. why should netflix or amazon prime video be any different?

  15. Or do it the better way... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Netflix Disc subscription... MakeMKV + handbrake. end up with far FAR better quality rips and 100% undetectable by the copyright police.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:Or do it the better way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVDFAB works pretty well, too....

    2. Re:Or do it the better way... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Honestly, with several hundred discs in my library, I only have Netflix for recent movies I only want to see once, with some others I may have interest in. In the past year I'd say at least 20% of the movies I've gotten have been so bad I didn't even watch the whole thing. I'm suspecting my tolerance for uninspired movies has dropped significantly though. (and no, the twilight series was never in my queue, so you can cross those off the rejection list)

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      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    3. Re:Or do it the better way... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      many I rip to watch later and then delete. I honestly love the ripped movie as it starts now. while the raw Bluray takes forever with all the forced adverts. and "you are evil, dont download a car, etc...."

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    4. Re:Or do it the better way... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      while the raw Bluray takes forever with all the forced adverts. and "you are evil, dont download a car, etc...."

      What are those things? Honestly, I think my BD player has seen maybe 8 disks in however many years since I got it with the prior TV. Even my HD-DVD player has only ever seen a handful of disks.

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      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    5. Re:Or do it the better way... by brewthatistrue · · Score: 2

      I found this out only after renting a Blu-Ray from netflix and realizing Windows 8.1 and Windows Media Player didn't come with the ability to play Blu-Ray.

    6. Re:Or do it the better way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Until you post about it in public, that is.

    7. Re:Or do it the better way... by allo · · Score: 1

      Which is solved with netflix as well.

    8. Re:Or do it the better way... by oldcarsmell · · Score: 1

      Just use MKVs, MKV is great. VLC and Plex use it, that's all you need.

  16. Re:So stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr. Conde Nast employee?

  17. 'illegally download streaming video' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yet another headline written by people who don't know how the Internet works.

  18. It's not a bug. It's a feature. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 3

    Chrome Bug Makes It Easy To Download Movies From Netflix and Amazon Prime

    When it comes to Amazon Prime, I like this bug... err feature. Owning content that can't download? I was a sucker when I bought a few things that I could have gotten on DVD. Never again.

  19. Wired Adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Changing your user agent string to that of a web crawler easily defeats the ad-block blocker used by many websites like Wired and Forbes.

    1. Re:Wired Adblock by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but in the case of Forbes at least, how is that useful?

      Ever since Forbes implemented that blocker (which I can't get around on my work computer anyway), I find that it's been a positive effect on my web-browsing experience by preventing me from wasting my time and polluting my brain by reading Forbes "articles".

  20. What bug? by Opportunist · · Score: 3

    For the first time ever "it's not a bug, it's a feature" is actually true.

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  21. Definitions matter by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Is a single example produced by researchers really "easy"?

    Would that qualify as making downloads "easy"?

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  22. Re:So stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stop being the asshole that corrupts ad networks with malware infested links and phishing campaigns and tracks users across 1000s of domains.

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    as for me, the wired link works fine. the adblock detection code must rely on javascript, which noscript dutifully ignores, and TFA is presented in its entirety, and without ads.

  23. Re:So stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wired works fine for me with uBlock Origin and uMatrix running. YMMV.

  24. Then serve ads that don't track people by tepples · · Score: 2

    I don't block ads. I block services that track me across websites. Serve me ads that don't track me across websites, directly from a server whose FQDN ends in .wired.com, and I'll see them. But neither WIRED nor Forbes appears to be smart enough to set this up.

    1. Re:Then serve ads that don't track people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't block ads. I block services that track me across websites. Serve me ads that don't track me across websites, directly from a server whose FQDN ends in .wired.com, and I'll see them. But neither WIRED nor Forbes appears to be smart enough to set this up.

      THAT'S your threshold for trusting advertisers? So when I setup doubleclick.wired.com, and point it's A records to a double click server so they can serve you ads, and that server also hosts doubleclick.othersite.com, and tracks you all the same, because - well IP addresses and browser meta data, you'll allow those ads because they're served from "wired.com"? Nah bro, I don't think you've thought that one through.

    2. Re:Then serve ads that don't track people by tepples · · Score: 1

      So when I setup doubleclick.wired.com, and point it's A records to a double click server so they can serve you ads, and that server also hosts doubleclick.othersite.com

      The possibility of delegating a subdomain to a third party raises deep philosophical issues of what is considered to be part of someone's "domain". But I mentioned the same public-suffix-plus-one policy because it's also the rule used for the scope of an HTTP cookie. A script on doubleclick.wired.com would have a less easy time correlating me with doubleclick.othersite.com because a particular site can set a cookie only for the same public-suffix-plus-one.

      But if they do figure out how to track despite lack of third-party cookies, even a same-origin policy wouldn't be sufficient, as the user agent can't tell whether a request to wired.com load balancer retrieves from WIRED's origin server or from its DoubleClick proxy.

  25. Bug??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of us would say, "That's a FEATURE, not a BUG!"

  26. This would be a legitimate concern by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    if Netflix had anything worth watching more than once in their streaming catalog.

    Netflix seems to be the B movie depository these days.

  27. "Steal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they mean copy?

  28. Viewing while traveling by tepples · · Score: 1

    Which is more likely to be accurate for someone whose billing address is in one country but is visiting another country on vacation or a business trip? The license prefers counting the play toward the revenue for the regionally exclusive distributor for the country in which the person is traveling, not that for the person's home. It's conceptually like visiting a movie theater while traveling.

  29. Make the "piracy" slightly inconvenient by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    It's all about detering the 80%-90% people just like what Microsoft did with Windows (95, 2000, XP etc.)
    Heck, while Windows was a matter of entering a known CD key or downloading a volume licensed version, the VPN solution for Netflix doubles your monthly bill so you need both technical ability and a willingness to pay.

    Going after the biggest VPNs (e.g. let's say public ones with more than 100 Netflix users) is like Windows activation, sort of a show stopper although it was just one more step that was never intended to stop unlicensed Windows users, just prevent your uncle to install it (given that Internet access made finding a key trivial)

    There's also some "plausable deniability" : pretend you don't know about all the VPNs, but show you do something about the ones you know. Thus the media licenseholders won't make a fuss and slashdot users can access the Netflix, which they pay for.

  30. Not unlawful ("illegal") by gavron · · Score: 1

    For something to be unlawful ("illegal") it needs to be in violation of a law or statute. There are no statutes prohibiting downloading anything. Clearly then it's not "illegal downloading."

    A followup poster suggested that "Copyright law"... something something but no, downloading does not violate anyone's copyright. If it did you wouldn't be able to stream, make a temporary copy in your computer's cache, video GPU cache, etc.

    Another poster suggested that the T&Cs form a contract between e.g. Netflix and the streamer which allows streaming but not downloading. This is probably the strongest argument in favor of "something wrong" but it's still not unlawful -- it's a civil contract dispute. Netflix terms are here: https://help.netflix.com/legal... and the relevant phrase is:
    "You agree not to archive, download (other than through caching necessary for personal use), ...content ...obtained from or through the Netflix service without express written permission from Netflix... "

    So in summary it's not unlawful. Nobody is breaking any laws. Copyright law isn't relevant here. What is relevant is a private agreement between Netflix and its subscriber, and if Netflix feels there's bee a breach of contract they can take it to arbitration (not court!) as per their same terms and conditions:
    "If you are a Netflix member in the United States (including its possessions and territories), you and Netflix agree that any dispute, claim or controversy arising out of or relating in any way to the Netflix service, these Terms of Use and this Arbitration Agreement, shall be determined by binding arbitration or in small claims court. "

    Did I mention that "downloading" is not an unlawful activity? ;)

    Ehud Gavron
    Tucson AZ

  31. Google updating Chrome on older OS's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if Google will update Chrome on Windows XP, Vista, and OS X once this "bug" is fixed.
    ROFLAMO

    1. Re:Google updating Chrome on older OS's? by yuvcifjt · · Score: 1

      You don't need an older OS to stop the spyware (Chrome) auto-updating.
      In Windows, just disable the service.

  32. How is this a vulnerability? by u19925 · · Score: 1

    This one definitely qualifies for the term, "it is not a vulnerability, it is a feature". I don't see any harm by being able to record shows on my machine.

  33. Don't look behind the curtain by roca · · Score: 1

    Publicizing flaws in deployed DRM schemes only increases the pressure from Hollywood to deploy stronger, more user-hostile schemes. Please don't do it.

  34. Not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not a bug but a feature.

  35. Are you into common sense at all??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chrome is Google's browser. Eric Schmidt works for the Pentagon. They are saying listen Netflix do you want to battle with us?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)

    This is the open source version. Chrome is not without connections to every known and unknown tracking mechanism of Google and the USA government.

    Don't be gullible.

    1. Re:Are you into common sense at all??? by yuvcifjt · · Score: 1

      I agree; however, what about Chromium or SRWare Iron or even Vivaldi/Opera?

      I only use Firefox anyway, as I doubt anyone has extensively analysed Chromium source code in order to search for any hidden Google tracking mechanisms or reporting techniques.
      And even if the source appears to be clean, Google aren't stupid, their trackers are over most websites, and through js obfuscation and ajaxing encrypted data back to Google, they may be able to trigger various reporting elements in Chromium to extract user data and uniquely fingerprint each installation.

      I know, sounds like paranoia and tinfoil hat stuff, but considering how evil Google is, I wouldn't put it past them.

  36. Dam you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been doing this for nearly 6 months and getting a nice collection of movies. And now you have to out it and blow it all away. Thanks.

  37. I can't understand this. by xvan · · Score: 1

    I can understand the convenience of Netflix. I can understand an ethical point of view against torrenting / piracy. What I can't understand is people paying Netflix and exploiting a bug to capture a netflix stream, when that content is already easily available via torrent. Why would you bother to do that?

    1. Re:I can't understand this. by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Because downloading a torrent is a public viewable operation. Where as capturing the stream on your browser just looks like normal legitimate viewing and far harder to trace. Therefore there is far less chance the copyright police are going to send nasty letters asking you to settle out of court for a not inconsiderable sum of money.

  38. No surprise by allo · · Score: 1

    As all DRM: If you give me the encrypted content and all i need to show it (decryption code and somewhere hidden inside the key), i will be able to decrypt it. No surprise.

    But next:
    Hollywood will demand the nightmare DRM. While w3c said "EME is harmless, you run the CDM in a sandbox", the movie companies will demand the CDM to be run with admin privileges to check the integrity of your video driver. And when it's established, there's nothing stopping them adding code to scan for clonecd and other signs you might be a movie pirate (and not like in johnny depp).

    Google should never have agreed to EME. They should have said fuck off, no flash, no silverlight no eme, just provide your streams or fuck off and try to sell discs.