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CBS/Paramount Sets Phasers To Kill On Star Trek Fan-Fiction With New Guidelines (audioholics.com)

Audiofan writes from a forum post on Audioholics: The Star Trek fan-fiction controversy that resulted in legal battles between CBS/Paramount and Axanar Productions concluded last week. However, CBS/Paramount have finally put forth its long-awaited guidelines intended to clarify acceptable fan-fiction so that it won't get the creative Star Trek fan sued for copyright infringement. But in doing so, it may have launched Star Trek fan-fiction's torpedo casket into space with a solemn salute. To be or not to be is the question which we ask about the future of Star Trek fan film. Some of the new guidelines for avoiding objections when making your own Star Trek movies and posting them to YouTube include: The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes. Part of the non-commercial requirements include: CBS and Paramount Pictures do not object to limited fundraising for the creation of a fan production, whether 1 or 2 segments and consistent with these guidelines, so long as the total amount does not exceed $50,000, including all platform fees, and when the $50,000 goal is reached, all fundraising must cease. The fan production cannot be distributed in a physical format such as DVD or Blu-ray. If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.

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  1. Scifi fans are generally a little more creative.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just rewrite the dictionary and make whatever you like; If the story is good and all things being equal it will still be enjoyable.

    Instead of Federation use Union, Collective, .. If Phaser is copyrighted use laser, pulse pistol.
    Instead of Klingon use African American, and so on..

    IMO we need new wider variety of scifi anyway.

  2. And the guidelines are by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the guidelines are "1) don't do anything that takes away our precious money or actually competes with us, and 2) oh yeah, we're forcing you to buy all of our expensive prop junk, too."

     

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    1. Re:And the guidelines are by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's more like "Don't do anything that shows up the absolute crap we've been producing on TV and film for the last 15 years."

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    2. Re:And the guidelines are by wbr1 · · Score: 2

      I made a chrome starfleet emblem. I don't sell it. There are commercial ones very similar... I think they would say it is a copy and the 'licensed' one should have been purchased.

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    3. Re:And the guidelines are by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This. Star Trek Continues is actually better than the original series. Go watch it on YouTube, it's superior in pretty much every way. The latest episode has a rubber suit monster and it's actually /good/.

      If the fan series had money to Paramount they probably could. After years of saying it was fine and encouraging them to invest so much time, money and effort into fan series they can't just pull the rug now.

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    4. Re:And the guidelines are by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      And I've seen fan-made stuff that looks better than the actual props used in the show. Ever see the real props they used? "Good enough for TV" doesn't have to be very good at all.

      While TOS was actually filmed in real film, it was then broadcast with the very poor-quality and low-resolution NTSC TV of the day, so they had a lot of leeway: people weren't going to be able to tell the difference on the crappy little TV screens they had back then. Now that they're dug up the original film footage and digitized it, you can see the flaws much better, and this of course necessitated redoing the effects, which were all done for NTSC and came nowhere close to the 35mm film the live action scenes were shot on.

      Another fun fact: notice how in TOS the ship has all kinds of psychedelic colors, even just for the paint schemes in the rooms? That wasn't just because it was the 60s; they did that because color TV was new, and they were trying to encourage people to buy color TV sets.

  3. Them, them, fuck them by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wasn't too thrilled with any of their 'star trek-flavored' movies anyway, and now they've guaranteed that I will never go see one for any reason or recommend them to anyone else for any reason, either. What a bunch of assholes.

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    1. Re:Them, them, fuck them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed, they butchered the series with that shitty JJ Abrams movie. and now they're attacking fan fiction that's actually good and actually worth watching for actual star trek fans. FUCK EM

      just another franchise bastardized to make crap tacular summer action blockbusters.

      and a big fuck you to the people of america for flocking to those in droves and making this happen.

    2. Re:Them, them, fuck them by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Good luck with that crusade. Those movies are absurdly popular and profitable.

      Popular and profitable do not equate to being any good. They're 'Star Trek-flavored' movies at best, and it's an entirely artificial flavoring that has only a superficial resemblance to that which it is being substituted for. Axanar would have used 100% Natural Ingredients, comparatively speaking. It's like we're in a Bizzarro Universe, where everything is upside down and inside out: CBS/Paramount is making the shitty 'fanfic' movies, and the real movies are being doused with gasoline and set on fire before they're ever made.

      They won't make a penny off me. I won't even see any of it for free.

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    3. Re:Them, them, fuck them by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      The casting ranges from decent to just plain bad. Part of Scotty's character was his physical presence, which the guy playing Scotty in the new movies completely lacks. Benedict Cumberbatch, for all of his excellent qualities as an actor, doesn't look like a eugenic superman and isn't very convincing in that role. Walter Koenig managed to make the original Chekhov work, and now we can appreciate that it wasn't easy.

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  4. A great way to piss off your audience by cmeans · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The restrictions are just way too limiting. It's a big universe, and CBS/Paramount should "make" space for proper fan fiction, not beam-it-out in wide-dispersal mode.
    I for one, will think twice before spending any money on any new Star Trek ventures going forward. Very, very disappointed.

    1. Re:A great way to piss off your audience by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      If anything it might be time for the people that want to do their own movies to look into starting on some fresh perspective - or scan through the Science Fiction literature for stories that can be used for movies. There's a huge pile to dig into, like E.E. Smiths Lensman series, Jack Vances Demon Princes, Heinlein, Asimov and so on...

      Don't let the opinion that controls one franchise limit you - be creative with something completely different. I wouldn't mind a Sci Fi movie where you have a man with a kilt showing up. (Some of you may get the reference)

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    2. Re:A great way to piss off your audience by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The restrictions are just way too limiting. It's a big universe, and CBS/Paramount should "make" space for proper fan fiction, not beam-it-out in wide-dispersal mode.
      I for one, will think twice before spending any money on any new Star Trek ventures going forward. Very, very disappointed.

      They are not restrictions They are guidelines.

      Also, the only reason to follow them is to eliminate any risk of getting sued. That's it. If you follow the narrow path it lays out, your production will not raise the ire of CBS.

      Nothing says you must, but you run the risk of what the Araxar guys are facing. Of course, if you're at this point, it might be wise to not just talk to a lawyer, but talk to CBS for a licensing opportunity.

      Because once your "amateur" production starts becoming professional, it might be time to actually license the work. And once licensed, you're free to do whatever the license lets you.

      Of course, it costs money - about $50K to enter in licensing talks. But if you want to put in a big flashy production with top names in production companies and such, you might just have the money to actually negotiate a license.

      For the rest of us, these guidelines ensure that your kids acting out Star Trek and posting it on YouTube is a safe thing to do.

    3. Re:A great way to piss off your audience by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

      Yes. These things are possible. Dark Matter S01 was surprisingly good.

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  5. Well That settles it... by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If yucking it up over some 1960's barely acceptable at the time TV series and the host of less than endearing follow on properties including 5 TV series and even more full length movies is going to be controlled by these rules, sell me some tribbles...

    Gee, it's sooo nice that you will now let me make a video using your concept I think I'm going to willingly follow your rules... NOT...

    Best Paramount can hope for is to keep tossing out the DCMA letters and suing folks who violate their copyrights, nobody is going to follow these rules unless they want too. Can you imagine? Sir, prove that Tri-Corder in your parody "Enterprise's last emission" that Kirk is using it to ogle that female yeoman in his quarters is really licensed merchandise..... Do you have a receipt to prove where you got it?

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  6. Poisoning the well with 1980's IPR policy by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, film and recording studios are still extremely naive about what intellectual property policy should be to maximize income. Obviously, the Star Trek fans are what has kept this franchise going for 40 years. You can count on them as an audience, which means a film is going to be a much safer investment than it would be otherwise.

    To keep the fan base alive, holding intellectual property this close is simply the wrong policy. Coming to some sort of resolution with fan fiction producers would both preserve the fan base and increase profit (you can license them and allow them to make some money, as well as you).

    To think, in the U.S. we just gained the right to sing "Happy Birthday" without intellectual property restrictions. That's how the non-sharing side of the ecology is going. On the sharing side, we have a very healthy Open Source community that has produced software everyone uses (even if they don't know) and that could not be built via the conventional economic paradigm because it can't necessarily be monetized directly. And we have things like Wikipedia that would just be impossible in the conventional paradigm.

    Studios need to catch up. So far, they seem to be incredibly resistant to learning.

    1. Re:Poisoning the well with 1980's IPR policy by nebular · · Score: 2

      Really they need to come up with a very reasonable non-commercial licencing fee and let the content creators have fun with it.
      Add some clauses that allows them to veto if the content is pornographic or too violent or what not, but otherwise let them go.

      They'll be making easy money after that.

    2. Re:Poisoning the well with 1980's IPR policy by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if they do not protect their IP, then under the current laws, that "non protecting" opens up the possibility for others (as in other studios) to use your IP.

      This is treated as common knowledge by most people who are not copyright and trademark experts, but isn't really true. It's related to two concepts in law: the concept of trademarks becoming generic, and the doctrine of Laches, which are both a lot more complicated than "if you don't enforce, you lose it". In truth, the studios could allow fan fiction all they want without losing the right to enforce copyrights and trademarks. They would indeed be safer if they licensed the fan fiction outlets.

  7. I knew it by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    CBS/Paramount are run by Ferengis.

    1. Re:I knew it by spiritplumber · · Score: 2

      No, Hasbro is run by Ferengis. CBSP is run by idiots. Look at the amount of money and brand loyalty Hasbro got out of My Little Pony.

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    2. Re:I knew it by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, a Ferengi would have rememberd Rule of Acquisition #57: Good customers are almost as rare as Latinum - treasure them

    3. Re: I knew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope. They make their women wear CLOTHES!

      CBS corporate would be SO much more pleasant if they were Ferangi. But alas, they are of the most vile intergalactic ruthless scum there is - yes, MBAs!

    4. Re:I knew it by wbr1 · · Score: 2

      They would also know #62: "The riskier the road, the greater the profit." Losing control is risky. But beneficial.

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    5. Re:I knew it by irving47 · · Score: 2

      111 - "Treat people in your debt like family... exploit them."

      Wow. 239 one seems relevant to our current lineup of movies... ""Never be afraid to mislabel a product."

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  8. Re:Scifi fans are generally a little more creative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't use Collective, it's probably copyrighted by The Borg.

  9. Re:Goofy Dorks. by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 2

    I'm curious: how many homeless have been housed by your Slashdot comments, since that's apparently the only metric for determining how worthwhile an activity is?

  10. RIP Star Trek Continues by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Informative

    The fundraising issue really bothers me. I know that Star Trek Continues had done some fundraising and was producing 45m episodes that were excellent. The production value was amazing, and they recreated parts of the set that were very convincing.

    This may shut that down, without special dispensation from cbs/p.

    1. Re:RIP Star Trek Continues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Star Trek Continues recreates an authentic experience for Star Trek: The Original Series fans. I found they even maintain the same campiness as the original series. CBS and Paramount Studios will kill off the fan base if they persist in threatening fan-created episodes similar to Star Trek Continues.

  11. Star Wreck ... In the Pirkining by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fortunately, we'll always have Star Wreck - In the Pirkining. Watch it or full downloads in various formats from archive.org. It's funny, lots of poking fun at star trek, and CBS can't do squat about it since it's a parody, doesn't use their characters or their universe.

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  12. Wash, Rinse, Repeat by davmoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I said it last time this topic came up, and I'll say it again now. Its no surprise to me that their rules are so draconian that they would eliminate pretty much all Star Trek fan fiction created thus far, and would make anyone think twice before bothering to create anything new. The reboot is so horrible they can't survive any real competition. Even with just a short at this point, its obvious that Axanar is going to totally blow away Star trek: Fast & Furious In Space.

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    1. Re:Wash, Rinse, Repeat by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      I have to say that I do hate the reboots. Dear CBS Paramount you killed Star Trek but the fans kept it alive and ended up making it a cash cow for you. You blew it with ST:ENG. The reboots are terrible. You made the crew of the USS Enterprise into a bunch wack jobs and the new ship looks like crap.
      You better hope that the Fans save your cash cow for you again or just sell Star Trek to Disney they actually seem to know how to keep a franchise working.

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    2. Re:Wash, Rinse, Repeat by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      You don't know that you will hate them until you watched them. But I did not buy or rent the DVDs.

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  13. what a joke by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.

    Good grief. This is a geek genre, for people with honest-to-god attention spans. Fifteen minutes is not a bad length of time to reach the opening credits.

    Paramount Pictures can FOAD.

  14. EZ by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Fund primarily via Bitcoin.
    Make it as long as you want, then double, triple, quadruple, etc. the playback rate get it under 15 minutes. I'm sure every hypernerd that watches this shit can play it back at the intended speed. (And no, you won't lose frames if you merely alter the rate.)

  15. Injustice Served by transami · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lets back up here a bit CBS/Paramount. You didn't invent Star Trek. You didn't even fund it's creation. You know who did: Lucille Ball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_Ball). Yep. That woman. She sunk her company's last penny into it and sold off all her rights to her own TV show to blood suckers like you to do it, until she could not hold any longer and had to sell out completely. If she could have held out another year she would have made it, but not one of you misogynist pigs in the industry would support a woman. So you buy the rights to Star Trek out from under her for a song, and then what do you decide to do? Cancel the show! CANCEL THE SHOW! Only a massive writing campaign by fans restrain you from canceling it, to your recorded dismay, so in retribution you stuff the last season into the Friday night death slot. It wasn't for the massive rerun support of fans you would have shelved the who thing long long ago, in a closet far far forgotten.

    Paramount, you have no shame and I'm not sure you deserve any of the proceeds you've made off this franchise. I wish Lucille Ball could sue you, but alas, she has a statue of limitation. Meanwhile you get to keep exploiting her and Gene's legacy endlessly.

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    1. Re:Injustice Served by tipo159 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A lot of this story is correct, but a lot of it isn't.

      In case you couldn't figure it out, Desilu was Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball's production company, which they ran together. Arnaz handled the business side and Ball handled the creative side. After Ball divorced Arnaz and then remarried, Arnaz couldn't handle working with her anymore. Ball bought him out, but didn't really want to run a company. However, the studio wasn't doing so well at the time and she didn't want the staff to loose their jobs. So, she used 'I Love Lucy' spin-off pilot advance money to pay for shows like 'Star Trek' and 'Mission: Impossible'. Once the studio was doing well enough to be sold for a reasonable price and the staff would keep their jobs, she sold Desilu.

      NBC originally aired 'Star Trek', not CBS. NBC were not inclined to cancel 'Star Trek', because it did well in particular demographics popular with advertisers. Roddenberry started the cancelation rumor and seeded the letter writing campaign. NBC had nothing to do with Gulf + Western's purchase of Desilu; Gulf Western owned Paramount Studios and renamed Desilu as Paramount Television.

      Years later, Viacom bought Paramount. Years after that, Viacom bought CBS. A few years after that, Viacom split into a TV company (now called CBS) and a movie company (now called Paramount). The TV company owns 'Star Trek' and JJ Trek is the movie company licensing Trek from the TV company. And CBS is the current instantiation of the company formerly known as Desilu.

  16. why i pirate by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 3, Informative

    Are they doing anything right now to contribute to the franchise. Are they doing anything that is better than the fan made one? The answer is no. Then they should fuck off, move over and let actual interested parties, ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK, get whatever benefits those parties see fit.

    You shouldn't be able to copyright a fictional universe. As long as bullshit money rules, copyright has become the spurning of creativity, not supporting it. How many years do they own "star trek" for? beyond the lifetime of most humans?? and even then, its a 60s era remake!! if you cant make enough fucking money off an idea you BOUGHT from a human, in 60 years, whoes problem is that?

    A company by its nature can not produce a creative work. Humans do this, and the creative work should then remain the property of humanity, not corporations!

    How dare they dictate what people do in their own time, creatively, with their own resources and skills. Fuck CBS. This shit really pisses me off!!

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  17. Read it like this by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Your stories can no longer be imaginative and better than our, you must find a way to make them more lame because we don't know how to. Breach these conditions and we will sue you out of existence.

    Personally, I think the fan stories are more interesting. I've kind of given up on paramount's version of star trek because it is usually disappointing so I don't see any point in it any more. I think the fan fiction is the only thing keeping their franchise alive simply because CBS make the movies for a wider audience that isn't interested in ST knowing that fans will go for the eye candy.

    I think that once CBS lamifies the fan fiction, it's all over for star trek, at least for me, simply because it's just not that interesting or challenging anymore.

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  18. Re: Scifi fans are generally a little more creativ by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Commodore Kirker: Best guess, Zulu. Zulu: Aye, sir. (HMS Corporation fires phasors [hey, Master of Orion II got away with that] at HMS Infallible, missing.) (HMS Infallible shakes.) Genghis: Forward missiles, fire! (Missile launches into space, missing.) This, ladies and gentlemen, is what Paramount is going to do to Star Trek.

  19. Re:Scifi fans are generally a little more creative by supremebob · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I can't wait until Major Keerk uses his Maser to take down a charging Klangron warrior before beaming up to his star cruiser and engaging the hyperspeed drive at speed factor 6.

    There, I just invented my own Star Trek knockoff lingo!

  20. counter strike by brendan.robert · · Score: 2

    IANAL, but almost none of the original series or movies used "officially licensed" uniforms or props. They just used whatever the costume department or prop department came up with for an episode. From movie to movie the outfits were always different. Even from season to season, in many cases. What then, do any of the genuine-looking costumes or props have anything in common with the licensed ones which are generally plastic toys, or are made of cheap fabrics that are poorly stitched or just outright glued together? I'm sorry, if Paramount is going to put this bird-cage fodder in their requirements then they, too, need to seriously commit to improving the quality of the products they're trying to force on the fans. The only other logical option is revise the requirement so that people trying to make a believable fan fiction are allowed to use self-made articles of, unquestionably, higher quality than the mass produced garbage and NOT SELL THEM. Because that's how you respect the trademarks and copyrights, to not sell knock-offs to undercut their bottom line. Maybe something for the CBS folks to consider is that THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE DOESN'T DO THIS CRAP TO THEIR FANS. (They do other crap, but not this. ;) )

  21. Re:Once again laws trumps your feels by transami · · Score: 2

    There is nothing stopping Paramount from working with fan fiction producers, even elevating the really good ones to top production quality with licensing arrangements. There's is clearly more demand then Paramount knows what to do with, which means they are loosing money by their own actions, not the fan film maker's.

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  22. Re: Scifi fans are generally a little more creativ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will the comms officer be called Ubuntu?

  23. Re:Goofy Dorks. by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 2

    How about sports?

    Do we really need to pay people millions of dollars to hit a ball with a stick and run around in a big circle?
    Throwing a ball into a basket with the bottom cut out?
    Slamming into one another like rutting walruses trying to pound one guy carrying a ball into the turf?
    Kicking a ball then chasing madly after said ball, with the occasional (bad) performance of "He touched me, I am slain!" ?
    Or smacking a small white ball then walking towards where you hit said small white ball and repeating the process? Just pick the damn thing up and carry it with you!

  24. Re: Goofy Dorks. by codebonobo · · Score: 2
    All Humans are objects.

    noun

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    anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.

    2.

    a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed:

  25. Re:Scifi fans are generally a little more creative by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2

    You jest. But the producers of the Star Wreck series (And eventually, Iron Sky) did exactly that. The last installment before they switched to moon nazis vs. Sarah Palin (No, I did not make that up.), was "In the Pirkinning", which chronicles an adventure of the C.P.P. Potkustartti, commanded by Captain James B. Pirk, with the assistance of crew members Commander Dwarf and Commander Info.

    Through various somethity hole something anomaly blah blah blah; they eventually cross over into the universe of the Babel 13 space station, commanded by Captain Johnny K. Sherrypie, with first officer Commander Susannah Ivanovitsa, and Security Chief Mikhail Garybrandy, who sometimes also have to deal with the machinations of Psy-Co officer Festerbester.

    Hijinks ensue.

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