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Canadian Man Invented a Wheel That Can Make Cars Move Sideways (nationalpost.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Canadian man William Liddiard invented a wheel that allows vehicles to move sideways. "True all-way drive for anything with wheels," Liddiard says in an online writeup for his successful prototype of "omni-directional" wheels. They consist of a specialized roller-equipped rim that can move horizontally and a tire that is rounded like a donut. "This is a world first bolt-on application for anything with wheels," wrote Liddiard. "Now you can drive in all directions, and turn on the spot, when needed." His demo video titled "you've never seen a car do this...," has received more than 1.1 million views since it was uploaded on May 10th. The wheels are a "proof of concept" prototype right now, but Liddiard says the design would allow them to be made as durable and safe as standard automotive wheels. Omni-directional wheels are nothing new, though they are typically only used in wheelchairs, robotics and other small-scale applications. Honda Motor Co. debuted an omni-directional wheel at the 2009 Tokyo Motor Show, but it wasn't for a full-sized car -- it was for a Segway-style mobility device. "My wheel can hold ten times more than the other [wheels], while maintaining speed," Liddiard told Postmedia in an interview earlier this year. He's currently trying to sell his invention to a major tire or automotive company.

132 comments

  1. Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In a forklift, maybe. In a car? Never.

    1. Re:Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bieber, is that you?

    2. Re:Nice by AC-x · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is called a Mecanum wheels
      Originally invented by Bengt Ilon of Mecanum AB.
      The patent was then bought by the US Navy and they have licensed the technology to Airtrax among others.

      William Liddiards wheel appears to me to be sufficiently different to not infringe on that patent but it looks very close to Hondas Omni Traction Drive System with an extra rubber ring on it.

    4. Re: Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more fools who cant parralell park. If they improove the speed uturns just got alot more interesting..

    5. Re: Nice by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      Let's stop calling it omni-directional. That term is not very descriptive. This is a holonomic drive which is commonly used in robotics because it's a lot easier to control a robot where the controllable degrees of freedom are equal to the total degrees of freedom.

    6. Re: Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be used by some small electric pod cars maybe.

    7. Re:Nice by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      There was another idea back in the 1950s that might be resurrected, if the car companies hadn't killed the spare tire.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    8. Re:Nice by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      if the car companies hadn't killed the spare tire.

      What? Killed is a bit strong - it's probably less than 1/3 of cars that are supplied with a "space saver" or "inflation pack" alternative to a spare tyre. Which is hardly "killed".

      Though, to be honest, I do choose a vehicle with a full-size spare wheel and tyre over one with a "space saver" or alternative. Even when hiring vehicles.

      I wonder if vehicles supplied with "space savers" can actually accommodate a full-size spare. I'll ask, next time the question comes up. Because AFAICS, a "space saver" only really saves on breadth of the tyre/wheel combo.

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  2. I want these on every car everywhere. Mandate it as a standard feature. Make it a legal requirement. Let's end the BS that is parallel parking forever.

    1. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Parallel parking isn't exactly science and replacing it not necessary. Staying on the road in corners at higher speeds, however, is.

    2. Re:Sold! by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      ...except for any car that is actually on the road, considering the tires lack treads.

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    3. Re:Sold! by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Conceptually, there's another way.

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    4. Re:Sold! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      I wonder how they invision getting the enginepower to the tires efficiently.

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    5. Re:Sold! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Parallel parking isn't exactly science and replacing it not necessary.

      Parallel parking is already a solved problem. Backup-cameras (mandatory in all new cars in 2018) make parallel parking easy. Many new cars have an "auto-park" feature that makes it even easier. Even my wife can now parallel park.

      If you want a car that moves sideways, a better way to do it is to just make the steering pivot a full 90 degrees. Then you can still have robust tires with treads.

    6. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to fucking drive!

      If you can't handle a car going in reverse at a snails pace to parallel park, then I seriously doubt your ability to handle the same car going forwards at a much greater speed.

    7. Re:Sold! by skids · · Score: 1

      Magnetic levitation. Which will work wonderfully... until small fragments of ferromagnetic material get up in there.

    8. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since it is fairly popular to have a separate engine for every wheel on EV's it should be very simple/inexpensive to make cars with 4-wheel steering.
      Adding a mode that allows the car to rotate all wheels in the same direction would allow the car to drive diagonally into the parking slot without having to rely on odd tires and the solution would be simpler than the mechanical mess that current cars consists of.

    9. Re:Sold! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Funny that it's called "parallel parking" when the cars are lined up serially...

    10. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's parallel to the direction of traffic moron.

    11. Re:Sold! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Parallel parking isn't exactly science and replacing it not necessary.

      Parallel parking is already a solved problem. Backup-cameras (mandatory in all new cars in 2018) make parallel parking easy.

      Knowing how to parallel park makes it easy.

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    12. Re:Sold! by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what would happen if you spun the wheels in to the corner to increase traction.

      Or if the traction would vanish entirely once the tyre surface started moving sideways.

    13. Re:Sold! by kencurry · · Score: 1

      umm no. It's because you pull up parallel to the car in front, back into the space with properly angled cut, the pull forward to even out. You're welcome.

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    14. Re:Sold! by fisted · · Score: 2

      --- --- --- Seems parallel enough to me.

    15. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Make it a legal requirement.

      But, but, but, it's already illegal due to idiots like you who thinks laws are a solution. Those rubber rings have no treads, so they are not street legal.

      Next time you ask for a %@(#ing law, stop and think about the bloody obvious fact that it will prevent future advances. Because tread is mandated on %@(#ing tires, no tire without tread will be researched or developed or manufactured or even studied.

      THE FACT THAT THIS WILL NOT HIT THE STREETS IS YOUR FAULT. YOU ASKED FOR A %@(#ING LAW!

    16. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong. You always pull up parallel to, or end up parallel to the neighboring cars, except maybe in Italy.

    17. Re:Sold! by fisted · · Score: 1

      Or you could just take a day (or preferrably a night) off and learn how to parallel park once and for all. Sheesh.

    18. Re:Sold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cars that can move in any direction like this can park in arrangements that are impossible any other way. Combine this with automation and some sort of "valet" mode where control is handed over to a central controller in an automatic parking lot. You could use just about every square meter of space, whereas typical parking lots have 50% coverage or less. Of course, I think it would be more practical to equip the parking lots with mobile platforms that the cars could drive onto and that would then move into a parked position.

    19. Re:Sold! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      umm no. It's because the car ends up (or should end up) parallel to the curb.

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    20. Re:Sold! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Many new cars have an "auto-park" feature that makes it even easier. Even my wife can now parallel park.

      Technically, she knows how to get the car to parallel-park for her.

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    21. Re:Sold! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Technically, she knows how to get the car to parallel-park for her.

      The important thing is that I no longer have to get out of the car and switch to the driver's seat so I can park the car for her, especially when it is raining.

    22. Re: Sold! by slazzy · · Score: 1

      I think it could be useful for some kind of in town pod autonomous cars that taxi people in the city and park themselves into tight spaces when not needed.

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    23. Re:Sold! by sjames · · Score: 1

      No amount of skill helps you when the idiots who parked in front of you and behind you while you were away left you a grand total of 2 cm to maneuver. A car that can go sideways will help a lot though.

    24. Re:Sold! by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "If you want a car that moves sideways, a better way to do it is to just make the steering pivot a full 90cdegrees. "

      Given that you'd need this on all 4 wheels, it would probably be simpler to use some kind of droparm with castors mounted at 90 degrees to the drive wheels. The speed and distance requirements aren't onerous, although the contact pressures could be a bit high and if there's a high camber the drive power required could get awkward.

      kind of like wheel dollies, without the dolly.

    25. Re:Sold! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      I take it that you never learned to parallel park? Tough shit on you - it's been a compulsory part of the driving test here for around a decade, which was in turn about a decade after I taught myself how to do it. It's not as if it's a difficult skill.

      If your motor skills and spatial comprehension are so poor that you really can't parallel park, then you really should be asking yourself if you're safe to drive at all.

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  3. Durability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That bendy-donut tire looks like it would wear out really quickly, stretching like that as it turns.

    I'd actually though of this sort of thing before, but threw out the idea as neat idea but impossible to build durably.

    1. Re: Durability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we all know just who here is butthurt. Coming to a site with a motto News for nerds, stuff that matters and calling people "typical nerds". Yes, that's like going to a knitting forum calling people "typical knitters". Makes no fucking sense.

      You are either the "inventor" of those wheels or someone closely related to it, that's just obvious. The fact is that OP's observation was spot on and you know shit about tryes. Besides, the history books are full of sideways moving cars and even wheels, just look at AIRTRAX forklift wheels for example.

      So yeah, maybe you should just pack your bags and find yourself a new virtual cardboard box to live in.

    2. Re: Durability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crochet smackdown! You show that thin-needled hussy who's boss!

    3. Re:Durability? by skids · · Score: 1

      On the other hand it might be able to wear-level better by choosing different patches of the tire to ride on. This looks like an idea waiting for materials science and manufacturing application thereof to catch up to it, though. Needs treads, too.

    4. Re:Durability? by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      On the other hand it might be able to wear-level better by choosing different patches of the tire to ride on. This looks like an idea waiting for materials science and manufacturing application thereof to catch up to it, though. Needs treads, too.

      He does mention that this being a prototype and he not being some big corporation, he had to use OTS materials (and likely why he's tried to sell it to major tire companies with material resources).

      The ability to switch tread patterns combined with the omnidirectional movement capability could be very useful in off-road, all-terrain vehicles of all sorts, from sport-recreational to heavy construction/earth-moving equipment, rescue vehicles, and special military vehicles.

      Tractor-trailers with the ability to park their trailer/container sideways and pack a space end-to-end would greatly increase cargo density for transfer/shipping and lower costs and likely reduce shipping time. I would think it would be a boon for logistics.

      I could also see versions more tuned for forward/reverse travel for passenger cars and even high performance vehicles using fly-by-wire systems to precisely control the side-force amount and direction applied by each wheel in real-time to greatly increase control and stability at high speed from wind, buffeting, surface conditions and imperfections, etc etc and minimize friction to the road surface to increase fuel efficiency and range of safe driving speed possible.

      The ability to select treads for weather/surface conditions is also a plus here. I could envision a standard selection as dry/high-speed, wet/high-speed, (highway driving) snow/ice low/medium speed, omni medium-speed ('standard' city/suburb driving), offroad/low-med speed.

      Material science and engineering has some amazing synthetic and carbon-fiber/microfiber and nano-tube based materials coming down the pike, many just waiting for an application where they can be put to use while as a side-effect also driving further research and progress. This might be such an opportunity.

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  4. Umm... No by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately, if he thinks ' the design would allow them to be made as durable and safe as standard automotive wheels' them he has a nasty surprise coming.
    Of course technically he is probably partially correct - the rims would post no problem.

    However the tyres themselves? Not a chance, sorry.

    Standard modern tyres combine a lot of technology to make them work as well as they do in griping, and most of that technology basically results in them not having a round cross section. The main width of the tread is close to flat, the sidewalls and base contain strong reinforcing bands, the bead carries large loads and the tread depth varies greatly from the center to the edges - all of this contributes to their effectiveness.

    His 'invention' required the tyre to return to being a true 'doughnut' torus shape, which is a TERRIBLE shape for a tyre if you want any traction, as the contact patch is tiny. His invention also requires the torus to rotate on itself, placing huge stress on the inner and outer surfaces as it rotates sideways, which will result is high wear and low lifespan.

    Basically, sorry but it is a non-starter for anything outside short lifespan, low load and low speed applications, and problem that is already well solved with sidewinder/mechanum 'tyres' which are a group of cones, and suffer for less issues than his system would (although speed is still a major issue, and traction a medium one)

    Still, the media will love it, and people will 'wow' at the example video. A set of car wheel skates/dollies let you push a car around like this at low speed quite easily already, and have been around for a long LONG time - and are about as practical.

    1. Re:Umm... No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Standard modern tyres combine a lot of technology to make them work as well as they do in griping

      Well I've had more than enough of my tires griping. If this gives them a more positive outlook then so much the better.

    2. Re:Umm... No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm really tyred of people using weyrd spellyngs like that.

    3. Re: Umm... No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lysten hyre, pal; Y'll havye nonye of thayt mocyry on thyse syte.

    4. Re:Umm... No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the thing. There would be far less technical problems if you simply just made all 4 wheels able to turn at 90 degrees. Then you just use regular old tires. This technique has been around for about as long as the wheel itself.

    5. Re:Umm... No by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I came to say all the same things you said, but with one addition: these will be great for robots used indoors. But yes, they are a complete non-starter for automobiles. Completely worthless.

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    6. Re:Umm... No by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      I was thinking the exact same thing as you.

      One other thought, what happens to the rollers when they get gummed up with road debris such as tar, mud, sand, rocks, etc. Not to mention icing and salt in the winter. It is interesting from a novelty perspective and maybe it will get people to think about other methods to solve this. But this just isn't one of them....

    7. Re:Umm... No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For indoors use the Mecanum wheel was invented in the 70's and have been used by the US Navy since the 80's.
      This solution is more obvious and less capable than the 40+ year old alternative.
      Robot example
      Forklift example

    8. Re:Umm... No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      His 'invention' required the tyre to return to being a true 'doughnut' torus shape, which is a TERRIBLE shape for a tyre if you want any traction, as the contact patch is tiny.

      Why do you have to be such a prick about this? It's very clearly an invention, and very clearly innovative. You just sound like a putz who'd complaining about how it doesn't do EVERYTHING.

      It might not be practical for an everyday automobile. But I' be VERY surprised if this wasn't useful for something. At the very least it'd be useful where mobility is important, and tire wear isn't. The fact that he did it on a full size car just speaks to how it can be adapted.

  5. Not a new idea by photonic · · Score: 2

    I don't understand exactly how these tires work, but having wheels with integrated rollers so that you can move sideways is a pretty old idea, see for example this forklift (video from 2006!).

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    1. Re:Not a new idea by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't understand exactly how these tires work, but having wheels with integrated rollers so that you can move sideways is a pretty old idea,

      So, you are saying this is not forward progress, its more sideways progress?

    2. Re: Not a new idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been lots of ideas to solve the parking problem. One was to have a separate set of wheels that would descend and move the car like casters. There's the wheel of rollers idea and a wheel with rollerballs.

    3. Re:Not a new idea by postglock · · Score: 1

      From TFS: "Omni-directional wheels are nothing new, though they are typically only used in wheelchairs, robotics and other small-scale applications."

    4. Re:Not a new idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The novelty to me appears to be how these are completely bolt-on: he didn't have to customize the car itself, the wheel and tire are put on a stock chassis.

    5. Re:Not a new idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he intended for us to take his words laterally.

    6. Re:Not a new idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you are saying this is not forward progress, its more sideways progress?

      One could say he reinvented the wheel...

    7. Re: Not a new idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a Canadian Tire.

    8. Re:Not a new idea by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There's no need to be crabby!

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  6. Oh dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going sideways, eh!!

  7. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monospace font implies you're talking about fp. I heard Pascal is a dangerous language, but never thought it was that dangerous!

  8. That tire doesn't look safe though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's completely flat, it will have no "grip" to the ground. I don't see myself using that even during summer, much less winter on ice.

    1. Re:That tire doesn't look safe though by pscottdv · · Score: 2

      How can a computer-generated animation of a tire concept possibly be "more practical" than a working prototype?

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    2. Re:That tire doesn't look safe though by gnupun · · Score: 1

      See this tire featured at a car show:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:That tire doesn't look safe though by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Putting a tire on a pedestal is vastly different than actually having a working prototype. There is no way to drive that tire yet, they claim magnetic levitation, without actually showing how that will work.

      The Goodyear ball concept worked great on film in iRobot, but that doesn't make it a working model, or anywhere near to being a working model. What happens if your car stalls for instance? How do you drive a tire like that (in multiple different directions)? It isn't a working system, it isn't even a prototype, it is a wet dream of some designers.

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  9. Questions by EricTDuckman1414 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How do the rollers get power, how does the driver control the roller speed and direction, what kind of wear and tear does the tire experience when it is twisting like a smoke ring, will the tires slip on the rollers when the brakes are applied, and what's to keep the tires from coming off the rollers at high speeds or while braking? It sure seems to be adding a lot of moving parts to a simple, proven design just to make it easier to park without having to change the way the wheels are mounted to the car. It looks cool, though.

    1. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do the rollers get power

      There are regional settings allowing for a range from polite persuasion through to bloody coup.

    2. Re:Questions by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Also, how difficult is it to change a tire when it (eventually) needs to be replaced? Every new car comes with a spare and a jack. If you need to have your car towed to the shop every time you get a flat, this just wont work.

    3. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the problem of --- where is the valve stem? How do you inflate these things? Or maybe these test units are just made of stiff rubber and aren't even inflated?

    4. Re:Questions by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      A recurring point is that this approach is a "bolt on" solution. How it can possibly work is beyond me, but being able to conventionally change them is a claimed benefit.

    5. Re:Questions by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Screw the valve stem; inflate from the hub. This is a known (but not common) technology. Presumably, by the time this tire becomes remotely viable, valve stems will have gone the way of headphone jacks on cell phones.

    6. Re:Questions by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Did you watch the attached video? The tires have a cross section of a circle, they are a torus, there is no open side on the rim side.

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    7. Re:Questions by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      By the time this tire is remotely viable, we will have perfected wireless tire inflation technology.

    8. Re:Questions by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I suppose it is possible...

      However, this technology will never be viable. A car with this technology would end up in a ditch the first time it tried to take a corner.

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    9. Re:Questions by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      It is indeed hard to imagine a tire retention system which would allow the tire to rotate as shown but which would still resist the huge side forces encountered in cornering.

  10. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australian man invents car that drives upside-down.

    1. Re:In other news by PPH · · Score: 1

      In Australia, they've had people driving sideways for quite some time. It's called hoon driving.

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  11. Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS is what innovation and creative genius looks like.

    Remember that when reading puff pieces and press releases from publicists that call businessmen and financiers innovative or genius.

    1. Re:Innovation by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is what "I don't understand the problem" looks like.

      The stress on that rubber when it's going in all directions is phenomenal. You're then going to expect it to drive at 70mph forward for hours at a time.

      It's "cool" but it's totally impractical and unworkable. Conventional rubber tyre inner tubes are covered with a real tyre (made of steel, rubber and all kinds of layers) for a reason - the inner rubber is intensely fragile and doesn't take kindly to exposure and/or to lots of movement. It certainly won't take kindly to you sliding over stones laterally.

      You are literally going to pop your tyres every few hundred miles of use. And as others have pointed out the complexities involved (in braking a tyre like that under extreme stress - 70mph to standing - it's just going to want to slip) mean that it's expensive, untested and impractical beyond belief.

      And, I'm sorry, but this doesn't solve parking problems. It creates them. Idiots can park this in a space next to a conventional car making it almost impossible to get back out with a standard steering setup. Until everyone parks sideways, for the cost of a couple of inches of parking space each, it's just liable to misuse.

      And I bet this "invention", brought to market and passing safety tests, will a) never appear, b) cost more than you could ever get by shrinking parking spaces by that fraction of space that it "saves".

    2. Re:Innovation by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this, and as someone else said, this isn't the first time someone has come up with something that does precisely this. It'll potentially have applications in warehouse equipment or robotics (or robotic warehouse equipment), but there are too many moving parts/it's too complicated to really be practical on a passenger vehicle, and even if you did, the replacement cost would likely be phenomenally high in comparison to standard tires. Wouldn't at all be surprised if 'replacement' would entail replacing the entire wheelset, which would need to be sent in to be completely refurbished as well as replacing the rubber parts.

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    3. Re:Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr - if you can't solve all technical and societal problems in one go, don't bother ever trying to invent anything.

    4. Re:Innovation by ledow · · Score: 2

      If you can't solve PRETTY CRITICAL AND OBVIOUS technical and societal problems in one go, don't bother getting on the news crowing about it being the next big thing until you've solved them.

      I cite every battery technology story for the last 20 years which claimed to do amazing things and then never made it to market because they just didn't scale at all.

      Get a product equivalent to - but slightly better - than the cheap, easy mass-produced way - even at ENORMOUS expense - and you could be onto something. Creating a wheel made of wood doesn't make it a useful invention even if it's innovative, non-patented previously, green-friendly, etc.

  12. Safety Threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would it stop abruptly in case of emergency? If the tire is not firmly glued to the wheel it will slide while breaking..

    1. Re:Safety Threat by jofas · · Score: 1

      Or how does one stop the car from rolling away when parked on an incline?

    2. Re:Safety Threat by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      How would it stop abruptly in case of emergency?

      Any variety of ways - via the brakes, a large tree, other traffic, a ditch...

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    3. Re:Safety Threat by arth1 · · Score: 1

      How would it stop abruptly in case of emergency? If the tire is not firmly glued to the wheel it will slide while breaking..

      Your regular tire doesn't slip on the rim when you brake, and no, most of us don't glue tires to the rim...

      How the rubber itself will take the braking pressure seems more of an issue. Better tires incorporate strong fiber weaves and are directional precisely to handle the forces better.

    4. Re:Safety Threat by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Your regular tire doesn't slip on the rim when you brake, and no, most of us don't glue tires to the rim...

      We most certainly do. There's a lubricant and sealant applied to the bead to aid in seating and sealing. But that aside, people often use "glued" to mean attached.

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    5. Re:Safety Threat by TroII · · Score: 1

      How would it stop abruptly in case of emergency?

      If you watch the video where it takes him 30 minutes to turn around in his driveway, you'll see the safety is built into the design. A car equipped with these tires can't move any faster than 1/2 km/h; you can stop abruptly by sneezing out the opposing window.

    6. Re:Safety Threat by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I used to have a Citroen 2CV that was so slow you could easily avoid accidents by jumping out.

      And if there was any chance of it hitting someone you could warn them to move out of the way. By post.

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  13. This is faggotry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not 3D printed, not Elon Musk, not private space, not in the cloud(tm)?

  14. Rounded like a donut? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Wow. A tire rounded like a donut? What will those Canadians think of next?

    1. Re:Rounded like a donut? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      I am sure Canadians are used to driving sideways - in winter.

  15. What's new, what isn't by XNormal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Omnidirectional wheels are not new (1949 german parent).

    What is probably new here is that the wheel surface is not a discontinuous set of smaller wheels - it's a toroidal tire that can rotate on the in-out axis. This requires the surface to stretch considerably and is probably not compatible with the requirements for car tires. This has real applications, but standard passenger cars are probably not one of them. This car demo is, however, a great way to attract attention and, hopefully, investment. A forklift just doesn't have the same dramatic effect.

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    1. Re:What's new, what isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda patented this type of tire for an omniwheel in 2008: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8342270B2/en. In particular check out figure 3.

      The roller setup is different here, but the Honda one seems more practical.

  16. 1948 by dbIII · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I looked at some old copies of a magazine called "Radio and Hobbies" at a relative's house. In an issue from 1948 there were photos of a prototype parking device like this.

    1. Re:1948 by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I don't think there were even interstate highways then...

  17. I've seen cars do that before by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every year during the first couple of snowstorms you see cars (trucks and buses) do that. Mind you it's not intentional.

  18. Might have limited uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are probably a few applications where these kinds of wheels would come in real handy. But I don't think you're going to be finding them on your average car anytime soon. First off you're decreasing your road contact area significantly and you pretty much destroy your ability to put treading on your tires. Both of which severely impair your traction on anything but the most pristine surfaces. Secondly if you've ever dealt with rubber long term you know these kinds of forces on it will cause it to degrade quickly. Your tires last so long because they only have to flex a limited amount, these tires have to flex much more in order to be rotated like that. If you've ever had a tire with a slow leak (its pressure always being a bit lower than the others) over a long period you know how much of an impact it can have on the sidewalls.

  19. Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Here's Goodyears version of the Omniwheel.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    It's a spherical tire and uses mag lev. it's just a concept not a prototype but it lacks the things you say are essential.

    The contact patch of Any tire is identical. It soley depends on the pressure. pressure*area = weight of car.

    His tires have 2 times as many sidewalls as a regular tire so it's plausible they don't have to be as stiff.

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    1. Re:Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The contact patch of Any tire is identical. It soley depends on the pressure. pressure*area = weight of car.

      That's not even close to true. "Contact patch" is a nebulous thing that changes from moment to moment, so that's one thing that's wrong with what you said. Another thing that's wrong with it is that tires don't behave the same at different pressure. A tire designed to hold up a vehicle using 25 psi is totally different from a tire designed to use 50 psi. A tire that's designed to do cornering is totally different from a tire that isn't. In order to handle lateral G forces, the tire is squared off and a stiff sidewall is used. This increases the size of the contact patch by making it wider. If you aired down the tire, it wouldn't be stiff enough to hold up under the forces involved and it would collapse, wallow, etc.

      His tires have 2 times as many sidewalls as a regular tire so it's plausible they don't have to be as stiff.

      He tires have zero sidewalls, so they'll never be as stiff, which means they won't do the same job.

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    2. Re:Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      pressure*area = weight of car.

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    3. Re:Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      pressure*area = weight of car.

      Go ahead and go out and measure this in the real world and if your measurement is at all accurate you'll find that a portion of the weight is carried by the sidewall. Now go forth and get an accurate measurement while the vehicle is in motion. I'll wait...

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    4. Re:Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by suutar · · Score: 1

      Given that "contact patch" means "what's touching the ground", what else is transmitting force between the vehicle and the ground? The sidewalls transmit from the rims to the tread, sure, but in the end the tread transmits to the ground, right?

    5. Re:Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by suutar · · Score: 1

      Oh, I think I see, you're arguing that not all of the rim-tread transmission is through the air in the tire and therefore not all the weight is supported by air pressure. Is that it?

    6. Re:Goodyear says your hypothesis is wrong by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Oh, I think I see, you're arguing that not all of the rim-tread transmission is through the air in the tire and therefore not all the weight is supported by air pressure. Is that it?

      Correct. Even in a normal tire, a percentage of the load is carried by the sidewall, so the relationship between air pressure, patch size and weight is a complicated one. When you also consider run-flats and low-profile tires, the picture becomes even more complex.

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  20. it's the uniformity by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Traditional Omni wheels are unlikely to be suited for high speed travel but his are uniform (unsegmented) to they more plausibly might work as regular tires.

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  21. His just bolt onto any car without modification. by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Also his wheels just bolt on. They don't need a special axle drive to control the multiple degrees of freedom. So you can put them on a non-4 wheel drive car as well.

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  22. Not safe by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 0

    The doughnut shape of the tire would not leave enough rubber in contact with the road, to be safe at high speeds. Nor is there any tread to grip the road.

  23. How about just make 4 wheels steerable? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Many cars can already to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Four wheel steering could achieve many of the same goals of these four-way tires, without reducing the safety and road handling of modern tire design.

    1. Re:How about just make 4 wheels steerable? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Four wheel steering wouldn't do any of the same stuff, and the more you made it do it, the less suitable it would be at its ordinary job. You'd also have to make the front and rear wheels capable of turning 90 degrees.

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    2. Re:How about just make 4 wheels steerable? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Before you say it can't, you might want to check out this video.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:How about just make 4 wheels steerable? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Four wheel steering wouldn't do any of the same stuff, and the more you made it do it, the less suitable it would be at its ordinary job. You'd also have to make the front and rear wheels capable of turning 90 degrees.

      Before you say it can't, you might want to check out this video.

      Show me where I said it can't. Then, show me how that shitbox does in a slalom. I will bet you a hundred dollars any aygo or fit will beat it into a pulp, let alone anything I would actually drive. The problem, to which I alluded in my comment, is that making the suspension capable of doing that job compromises its ability to do its primary job.

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  24. Flat tyres grip better by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's completely flat, it will have no "grip" to the ground.

    This is a common misconception: flat tyres actually grip the ground better than tyres with a tread because they have a larger surface area in contact with the ground which generates more friction. This is why Formula 1 cars have flat tyres when racing in dry conditions. The tread is there because in wet conditions you need channels to get rid of the water between the tyre and the road when travelling at speed otherwise you hydroplane. So the tread is not there to increase grip but to get rid of water and as these tyres are now they will not grip well at speed in wet conditions but they will actually grip better than a treaded tyre in dry conditions.

    1. Re:Flat tyres grip better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A common misconception is confusing tread with grooves. Slicks contain a thread, they lack grooves.

    2. Re:Flat tyres grip better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, given a smooth tire, surface area makes no difference, because the area cancels out when you calculate downward force (that is, a smooth tire 1 foot wide is just as good as a smooth tire 4 feet wide).

      Tread on tires actually makes the coefficient of friction greater than 1, which then makes the surface area relevant.

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    3. Re:Flat tyres grip better by feufeu · · Score: 1

      I'd add that in real life and even in dry conditions there will always be the occasional spot that has some dirt and where the treads will provide the necessary grip.

    4. Re:Flat tyres grip better by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

      Actually, given a smooth tire, surface area makes no difference, because the area cancels out when you calculate downward force

      I don't know which universe you come from but in the one I'm in physics doesn't work like that. The first evidence is that Formula 1 cars have wide tyres to improve grip. If narrow tyres gripped just as well thy would use these because of the reduction in weight. The second is something you can try at home with two books - ideally something like two telephone directories if you happen to have two of these increasingly rare items. Interleave a couple of pages and you will be easily able to pull the books apart. Interleave several hundred pages and the spines of the books will rip apart before you can provide enough force to separate them. The only difference between the two is the contact surface ares between the books. Hence surface area matters a lot.

      What you are forgetting is that the coefficient of friction is defined for a specific contact between two objects. If you change that contact, for example by increasing the area of contact by changing the shape of one or both of the objects, then the coefficient of friction will change too and it will increase for an increase in contact area. Whether or not the coefficient of friction is greater or less than one makes no difference - there is nothing magical about the value 1.0 for this quantity.

    5. Re:Flat tyres grip better by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      I think that would depend on the amount of loose material you have just as with water where a damp surface is fine and you only need grooves when there is some amount of water standing on the surface and I expect that by the time you have enough loose material to cause problems for a non-grooved tyre you very likely have a significant riving hazard since tyres will kick that material up and into the path of a driver behind you obscuring their vision and possibly damaging their vehicle.

  25. Hmmmmmm by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Okay, that looks kinda cool, and potentially very useful. I can see a boatload of possible uses and places where it would be great to have something like this.

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  26. This isn't a new invention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Omni-wheels have been around for decades. Putting them on a car might be novel, but it's definitely not a new invention.

  27. looks VERY slow by fikx · · Score: 2

    Did anyone notice how sped up the video was?
    The car moves at a creeping pace, yet looking at the driver shows the video is sped up a lot. And it STILL looks slow...

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    1. Re:looks VERY slow by Zargg · · Score: 1

      Heh, good eye, didn't even notice that! That is so slow!

    2. Re:looks VERY slow by xlsior · · Score: 1

      Yup, looks like the flags in the background are going crazy.

  28. Time Lapse Photography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looked fast enough to park sideways, but then I noticed the trees swaying in time lapse fashion.

  29. Cars. Always the Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sooner the world stops masturbating to the automobile the better off things will be.

  30. Flat tires. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Common. This must be one of the most stupid ideas ever... For cars.. Can't even imagine what would happen with whose on icy swedish winterroads.

    But I assume there can be other applications, the most obvius I can think of is inhouse robots not supposed to carry alot of weight.
    For instance patient transportation inside hospitals could become much nicer then the current rather bumpy ride one experience when moved. Usually there is supposed to be two lanes, one in each direction but it's very common to be obstacles along the way making you have to move into "the other lane" and then back. The possibility to strafe would be really nice. (as well as a electrical engine that could be connected to any bed from bellow, aside from saving life it would also save energy on the poor people having to move patients.

  31. new gadgets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the '80s, car makers started putting gizmos in cars: Old technology like air-bags and anti-lock braking stayed. New ideas like driver HUD and four-wheel steering disappeared. It looks like these tyres can't side-slide at speed, so their sole purpose will be parking. How much will one of these tyres/wheels cost? I'm thinking that's a lot of money to enable parking 'for dummies'.

  32. Re:His just bolt onto any car without modification by feufeu · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and how does he power and control them ? Independent battery in each one and remote control ? Not worth the hassle.

  33. mmmm by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    Donut... Tim Horton's

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