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Ask Slashdot: Is It Ever OK To Quit Without Giving Notice?
HughPickens.com writes: Employees and employers alike have the right under at-will employment laws in almost all states to end their relationship without notice, for any reason, but the two-week rule is a widely accepted standard of workplace conduct. However, Sue Shellenbarger writes at the WSJ that a growing number of workers are leaving without giving two weeks' notice. Some bosses blame young employees who feel frustrated by limited prospects or have little sense of attachment to their workplace. But employment experts say some older workers are quitting without notice as well. They feel overworked or unappreciated after years of laboring under pay cuts and expanded workloads imposed during the recession. One employee at Dupray, a customer-service rep, scheduled a meeting and announced she was quitting, then rose and headed for the exit. She seemed surprised when the director of human resources stopped her and explained that employees are expected to give two weeks' notice. "She said, 'I've been watching 'Suits,' and this is how it happens,'" referring to the TV drama set in a law firm.
According to Shellenbarger, quitting without notice is sometimes justified. Employees with access to proprietary information, such as those working in sales or new-product development, face a conflict of interest if they accept a job with a competitor. Employees in such cases typically depart right away -- ideally, by mutual agreement. It can also be best to exit quickly if an employer is abusive, or if you suspect your employer is doing something illegal. More often, quitting without notice "is done in the heat of emotion, by someone who is completely frustrated, angry, offended or upset," says David Lewis, president of OperationsInc., a Norwalk, Conn., human-resources consulting firm. That approach can burn bridges and generate bad references. Phyllis Hartman says employees have a responsibility to try to communicate about what's wrong. "Start figuring out if there is anything you can do to fix it. The worst that can happen is that nobody listens or they tell you no." What do you Slashdotters think about providing employers notice of departure? Has there ever been a circumstance that warranted quitting your job without any prior notice?
According to Shellenbarger, quitting without notice is sometimes justified. Employees with access to proprietary information, such as those working in sales or new-product development, face a conflict of interest if they accept a job with a competitor. Employees in such cases typically depart right away -- ideally, by mutual agreement. It can also be best to exit quickly if an employer is abusive, or if you suspect your employer is doing something illegal. More often, quitting without notice "is done in the heat of emotion, by someone who is completely frustrated, angry, offended or upset," says David Lewis, president of OperationsInc., a Norwalk, Conn., human-resources consulting firm. That approach can burn bridges and generate bad references. Phyllis Hartman says employees have a responsibility to try to communicate about what's wrong. "Start figuring out if there is anything you can do to fix it. The worst that can happen is that nobody listens or they tell you no." What do you Slashdotters think about providing employers notice of departure? Has there ever been a circumstance that warranted quitting your job without any prior notice?
A company cannot fight for right-to-work laws, then be upset when employees exercise their right to not work.
More data, damnit!
Employers LOVE at-will, when it's in their favor. But a lowly employee exercising that same right? Ohh nooo, you're just young and inexperienced.
If I'm an employee and I fuck up or do something that is grounds for termination... no employer in an at-will state is going to say "Okay, we're firing you, but we're going to let you keep working here for two more weeks while you look for a new job". No, you'll be out on your ass.
Well, if a company treats me in a way that I view as unacceptable, guess what.. I'm not giving you two more weeks of my life. The whole "employees are expected to give two weeks" bullshit is a such a double standard in many cases.
I will give you notice if you treat me in a way that deserves for notice to be given.
If you're not being mistreated, then don't be a jerk. *Especially* if your leaving without notice will screw over your co-workers, who plan to stay. If you have a good working relationship with your boss and co-workers, then jumping ship to greener pastures is not only acceptable, but even celebrated.
I know for a fact, that if someone in *my* group were to quit, it would totally fuck over for my vacation plans, and I would lose a LOT of money.
Your network is absolutely vital in today's job market. Screw over your employer, or worse, your fellow employees? They'll remember that. And they'll post about it on Facebook and LinkedIn.
But if this is because you're a daily ration of crap? And you're in a right-to-work state? AND you have no reason to expect you'll ever work with your fellow employees again, or your leaving won't hurt them?
Drop that bomb with pride.
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Quitting without giving notice is rude. That's all, just rude.
If your employer has been reasonable and supported you with things you want (perhaps flexibility in hours, or training), then two weeks notice is only the polite thing to do.
If they've been extorting god-awful amounts of overtime from you, perhaps with the ever-present threat of being let go for no reason at all, then a little rudeness isn't out of place.
A thousand pounds of wood moving at 300 feet per minute. Don't get in the way.
More to the point, a company can (and will) fire you w/o notice if they feel like it. Why should you not be able to 'fire' them in the same fashion?
Companies are sociopath entities that are only as good to you as they least friendly person to you in any position of power. They don't care anything about you or your well being. People within the company might, but the company does not, it exists to make money. You might owe people loyalty, but never a company.
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If the employee is so angry or annoyed that they are willing to leave without notice, it is probably best that they are just allowed to leave.
Do you really want a disgruntled employee, serving your customers, maintaining your IT system, managing your finances, ... for two weeks?
It maybe in the contract but it makes no sense to force someone to stay unless they are very closely supervised.
Right choice.
Never accept a counteroffer. _Never_.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I will caveat this with that I actively have just over 14 years of workplace experience in my "field of employment", which since I am a /.'er, I guess that lumps me into IT in some what shape or form.
With that, I live in a right-to-work state and spent almost 9 of those years as a government contractor. I endured the typical BS: pay cuts, freezes, lousy raises, a government furlough, health care hikes to make you make less for that year with your raise, benefit slashes with contract renewals going to the next company, shitty co-workers, shitty projects, shitty managers, worker shortage, attrition, ect. I could go on and on. The point I am making is: I was afforded every opportunity, reason to quit and walk the fuck out and there will always will be reason after reason to make you want to quit your job without reason and throw up the double fingers. The grass is never greener anywhere, it's always the same, drab shade it will always ever be, it's just what you make of it.
When I finally decided it was time to go, and move onto another position I was approached with in the private sector, I had plenty of vacation banked to take off a month paid, then put in a hastily typed immediate resignation letter and walked right out the day after coming back in. Did I? I would have loved to like anyone else dreams of doing but I didn't. I worked out my two weeks faithfully, documented things, properly transitioned work off as best as anyone can and took the high road. Why? What reason did I have to burn bridges? None. What if I want to go back? Would it be worth the happy hour story of being the Robin Hood of Everyone-Wants-To-Be to tell that one story where you told your employer to fuck off? Probably not.
People have very little reason to in general to spite their employer back and not put in a courtesy two weeks --- usually the things that burn us and drive us to that point all are business or environmental culture things that are most of the time out of our control and end up in the constant cross fire in. Did your job, as long as you did it, always yield a paycheck and some sort of benefits? Isn't that why you were there to begin with?
I'm not advocating you stay in toxic, cancerous or career suicide workplaces, what I am saying is there is this definite trend in people today, especially the millennial YOLO brats that have an over-inflated ego of worth and dedication. I was raised to do a job, do it well, never half ass and build a brand and name for yourself. Others don't operate that way.
That's one of the secrets, right there. Work in a place where the decision-makers actually reside and whom you will occasionally encounter, and you have a chance of being treated with respect. If "corporate" is in another town, all bets are off.
You are welcome on my lawn.
If I'm doing my job properly as a manager, no one should ever be indispensable.
Highly valued? Sure. I want to build a team where everyone is exceptionally valued.
But if anyone ever becomes indispensable, I've failed in my job as a manager.
Why? The hit by a bus factor. That wonderful employee who loves me, who I love... can still get hit by a bus. Can still get sick. Can still have a loved one die. Can still have a relative offer to pay all expenses for a once in a lifetime six week world trip.
If I have any employee that I can't keep my team running without, even at zero notice, I'm not running my team well.
It may suck. It may be sad. It may require some juggling I'd much rather not do. But any indispensability means I've done my job badly.
This means, if someone quits with zero notice, I can handle it.
At that point, it's actually a good thing anyway. If they're so pissed off that they'd statement quit, I don't need them in the office, poisoning others, dragging their heels through their short timer's disease. Let's get them somewhere where they're happy and get my team of great people back doing great things. We'll live.
Strange thing? When you have a well run team that you can already be confident in, people rarely statement quit anyway. For some reason, they don't seem to feel the need. Imagine that. And when they do? You've got it handled anyway.
The reason you can't find a decent job is because companies that are good to work at won't hire people like you.
You don't give notice because you give a shit about your (soon to be former) employer, you give notice because that's what a professional does. Walk out without notice and you declare "I am not a professional."
Small wonder you can only get shitty jobs. You're a shitty employee.
You don't give notice because you give a shit about your (soon to be former) employer, you give notice because that's what a professional does. Walk out without notice and you declare "I am not a professional."
And yet it's "professional" to just walk an employee out the door without prior notice? Riiiiiight.