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Fair Use Threatens Innovation, Copyright Holders Warn (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader shares a TorrentFreak report: Various music and movie industry groups have warned that fair use exceptions are a threat. The groups were responding to proposals put forward in Australia by the Government's Productivity Commission. They claim that content creators will be severely disadvantaged if fair use is introduced Down Under . Several rightsholder groups argue that strong copyright protections are essential for the survival of their businesses. This includes a long copyright term of 70 years, as well as the ability to block access to content based on the location of a consumer. In addition, many believe that fair use exceptions will do more harm than good. For example, music group IFPI warns that fair use will threaten innovation and create legal uncertainty. "Licensing, not exceptions to copyright, drives innovation. Innovation is best achieved through licensing agreements between content owners and users, including technological innovators," IFPI writes.

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  1. Isn't that a contradiction? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would it be called "fair" in the first place if it wasn't actually fair?

    1. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by CityZen · · Score: 2

      Interpretation: Copyright holders don't want to play fair.

    2. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      They say it threatens innovation. Maybe they need to be more innovative instead of complaining?

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    3. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      The good thing is that this is about Australia and not about some place where innovation is actually taking place. So in the end, it's a storm in a teacup.

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    4. Re:Isn't that a contradiction? by matbury · · Score: 2

      What's not to like about corporate lawyers? I'm sure they make the creative world a double-plus-good place for everyone :)

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  3. Full of Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're so full of it. What about licensing brings about innovation? Are they claiming people will only make new things if there's money to be had? I thought we debunked that myth a long time ago. Money is not the only motivating factor of innovation. I'd say it's the least important one, in fact; many people pursue what they do because they enjoy it and/or believe in it. The money's a damn nice bonus, but ultimately the goal of innovation is to improve the work/art in the field. If laws are passed that allow people to borrow ideas and combine them in ways people didn't anticipate, that's the very definition of innovation. Nothing is created in a vacuum, and holding exclusive rights to something for X amount of time only prevents innovation, *not* foster it.

    They're a bunch of artless, lying suits, as we've all come to expect from the recording industry.

    1. Re:Full of Shit by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must understand that these are people who define "innovation" as "new way for me to charge more rent on the same old stuff".

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  4. Oh fuck off by ilsaloving · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are plenty of business that survive just fine without freeloading on content that was produced almost a century ago. If you are unable to do that, that's a problem with your business and you *deserve* to go under. In fact, we wish you would so that better businesses can be built upon your stinking rotting corpse.

    Sincerely,
    Everyone.

  5. Yeah, right by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Copyright extension to 70 years encourages innovation, because of course the original creator expects to still be alive and deriving revenue from their work 70 years later, right? This get one thing straight: Copyright isn't encouraging innovation, it's guaranteeing a revenue stream for the corporation that commissions the work for hire or buys the copyright from the original creator. Oh, and ALL creative works are derivative to begin with, so don't even try to tell me copyright is protecting "original" work.

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    1. Re:Yeah, right by mark-t · · Score: 2

      Copyright isn't encouraging innovation, it's guaranteeing a revenue stream....

      What revenue stream does the copyright on most open source projects guarantee? They are fully copyrighted (GPL, BSD, MIT, and many others), but are entirely free.

    2. Re:Yeah, right by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Copyright for a limited time encourages further creativity, since you can't count on revenue from previous work for the rest of your life.

      Excessive copyright wastes time and resources on copyright fights that could be applied to better uses. If Mickey Mouse was now in the public domain, there'd more likely be more derivative products than there are today

      Just look at Paramount squishing fan fiction videos that are no threat to the franchise (crappy story lines and excessive lens flair, on the other hand ...)

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    3. Re:Yeah, right by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those that sell software, copyright guarantees (or so they think) a potential revenue stream through licensing. As to open source software, copyright becomes the vehicle for keeping the software free and open, and prevents it (theoretically) from being stolen by companies who want to make money off of it. At the same time, it does allow the copyright holders of the open source (GPL'd, etc) software to be able to sell their work if they choose under proprietary terms. This is one reason I select the GPL for my personal projects. It gives me the freedom to sell proprietary licenses if the code ever was interesting enough to catch a commercial vendor's attention.

      In any case, the OP's point still stands, and I think he was making the point from the POV of the music industry first and foremost. They see copyright as a rent-seeking mechanism, not one for innovation.

  6. Re:Just plain false by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Follow the money. Are the people making this "fair use stifles innovation" argument the original artists creating new content, or is the argument being advanced by companies that have bought the rights from long dead artists?

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  7. Do they even understand what fair use is? by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTA:

    They believe that it will disadvantage their members, who donâ(TM)t have the means to protect themselves against large corporations that could invoke fair use as a defense.

    Why would they have to protect themselves from large corporations that invoke fair use as a defense? Fair use, by definition does not adversely impact the value of the work in question. If the copyright holders are being harmed in some way by some particular usage, then fair use cannot be deemed to apply in the first place.

    1. Re:Do they even understand what fair use is? by slew · · Score: 2

      Well there are two sides of this coin...

      The recommendation lists these items for fair use...

      1. research or study;
      2. criticism or review;
      3. parody or satire;
      4. reporting news;
      5. professional advice;
      6. quotation;
      7. non-commercial private use;
      8. incidental or technical use;
      9. library or archive use;
      10.education; and
      11.access for people with disability.

      I think the fair use exemptions for "professional advice", "library or archive use", and "education" are kind of the sticking points (where the big corps are against "non-commercial private use" which basically is file sharing).

      For example, if a big company (say google) were to make a library or archive (let's call it books.google.au for arguments sake) where they allow free access to copyrighted material (with side banner ads which they get money for) do they get a fair use exemption? Also a blanket educational exemption is a bit of a problem for say instructional material (or may even the Wiggles). IMO, they really need to clean it the recommendation a bit.

      On the other hand, you can make a case that Australia is being simply opportunist on this and are really just after a free ride. The rationale they give is...

      Overall, given that most new works consumed in Australia are sourced from overseas and their creation is unlikely to be responsive to changes in Australia’s exceptions, adoption of a fair use provision in Australia is likely to deliver net benefits to the Australian community.

      Basically, they are saying expanding fair use won't hurt Australia because authors won't stop producing stuff in English just because Australians are pirating it.

  8. Re: Fair Use Threatens Innovation, Copyright Holde by friesofdoom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Literally the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything in this story is true. These "rights holders" can go fuck themselves after they finish spinning this story.

  9. Fair vs. Free by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If fair use is hindering their business, how would free use weigh in? Take open source, for example. Microsoft could easily argue Linux is making it difficult to sell their OS for server use. In fact, I'd imagine that if they somehow managed to eliminate fair use, free would be their next target: making it very difficult through restrictive legislation to produce something for free unrestricted distribution without some sort of monetary aspects attached. Essentially forcing all competition to play on the platform they fully control.

    There's been some very worrying news coming out of Australia in a steady stream. The Big Brother is certainly on a roll there.

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  10. Blackwhite by dosius · · Score: 2

    How Orwellian of them to say so...

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  11. Fair use and automobiles by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

    So, fair use threatens the survival of their businesses. In other news, the automobile threatened the survival of the buggy-whip manufacturers and the integrated-circuit chip threatened the survival of the makers of vacuum tubes.

  12. Threaten innovation? by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What bullshit. The established music industry has already completely killed innovation. They want a nice zero-risk predictable business model based on marketing not creativity, because anything creative is new and by definition unpredictable so a necessarily higher financial risk.
    They've been following exactly the same old image-manufacturing process at least since Bill Haley/Elvis/The Beatles.

  13. Re:The Public Domain Drives Innovation by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We need more works entering the public domain. If creative works enter the public domain sooner, within reason to allow creators to profit for awhile from their works, there will be more derivative works and more innovation.

    Which is what we had in the U.S. prior to 1978, when the Copyright Act of 1976 went into effect. I think the terms of the original Copyright Act of 1790 (14 years plus a 14 year extension) were adequate, and further extensions have been a cash grab by creators at the expense of society in general - a very real form of theft. Patents only receive 20 years of protection, so what's so frigging special about copyright? What we have now is an abomination that completely and totally defeats the purpose of the Copyright Clause in the U.S. Constitution, IMO. How exactly does extending protection for works after the creator's death encourage new works by that creator?

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  14. The purpose of copyright is........ by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So here is the deal, I will trade you "fair use" for 4-year copyright limits.

    However, you can't have 70 year copyright terms and no fair use. That is called unlimited MONOPOLY!

    The purpose of Copyright was to give the person who created the work a limited monopoly to earn back their money, not money for their grandchildren.

    Imagine if a plumber could charge you per flush for the next 70 years.
    Imagine if an electrician could charge you every time you use a light switch for the next 70 years.

    It is insane. We need FAIR USE!

    1. Re:The purpose of copyright is........ by William+Baric · · Score: 2

      In most countries, copyright is not 70 years, but 70 years after the death of the author. So not only the plumber will charge you for all his life, but his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren will also charge you for all their lives. Now pay and suck it up.

  15. End end is near. Um... wait. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apparently this "threat" has existed for quite a while. How have we ever survived?

    From: U.S. Copyright Office Fair Use Index

    Fair use is a judge-created doctrine dating back to the nineteenth century and codified in the 1976 Copyright Act.

    And: Fair use

    The 1709 Statute of Anne, an act of the Parliament of Great Britain, created copyright law to replace a system of private ordering enforced by the Stationers' Company. The Statute of Anne did not provide for legal unauthorized use of material protected by copyright. In Gyles v Wilcox (1740) the Court of Chancery established the doctrine of "fair abridgement," which permitted unauthorized abridgement of copyrighted works under certain circumstances. Over time, this doctrine evolved into the modern concepts of fair use and fair dealing. Fair use was a common-law doctrine in the U.S. until it was incorporated into the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. 107.

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  16. IF YOU UPHOLD FAIR USE! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    We will be so RESTRICTED from artistic and technical INNOVATION that studios will be reduced to producing NOTHING MORE than endless REBOOTS of previously filmed efforts spun-off from ANCIENT COMIC BOOK franchises!

    ALL COMMERCIAL MUSIC will be INDISTINGUISHABLE from style and content of hits released circa 2001!

    DO YOU WANT TO KILL THIS VIBRANT CULTURE WITH FAIR ACCESS?!!!?

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    1. Re:IF YOU UPHOLD FAIR USE! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      +++ATH0

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  17. Re:Just the opposite by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Copyrights and patents have their place. With intangible goods, you have the problem that a lot of money goes into their creation while at the same time they are trivial to duplicate. We have just gone overboard with the time that protection is granted.

    In the beginning, copyright was 7 years and you could tack on another 7 years if you could somehow show that it's necessary. We're talking about the 1700s, though. A time when the steps between writing a book and having it published took months, if not years, to complete. Not to mention that information spread much slower and advertising was by no means as pervasive as it is today. Those 7 years, as long as they appear to us today, were pretty much what you HAD to be granted if that law should you actually have a chance to recover your investment of time and money.

    As time went by, the time from creation to publication and monetizing shrunk while at the same time copyright was extended to ridiculous proportions. Today you can pretty much create, publish and make it known without HOURS, while at the same time copyright length is "lifetime of the creator + 70 years". That is ridiculous! We're talking about the grandchildren of an author still getting money out of what their grandpa did.

    To put it into perspective, "Love me do" by the Beatles was published in 1962. If Paul McCartny AND Ringo Starr dropped dead TODAY, that song would go out of copyright no earlier than the end of the year of 2086, 122 YEARS after its creation. And to put THAT into perspective again, that's like being only able to freely circulate songs that were written before 1892, the year "The Nutcracker" was shown the first time. It is actually THAT LONG.

    But since Paul and Ringo don't show any signs of dying any time soon, it's probably going to be way more than 122 years between the composition and their works finally becoming free to be played. If ever. Because they're not longer just songs, they're "assets". Someone "owns" that song. And for at least 70 years this will be someone who has never done anything for this song coming into existence.

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