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Tech Job Postings Are Down 40% On Popular Job Boards (medium.com)

Tech job postings are down 40% year-on-year, says Cameron Moll, founder of job board Authentic Jobs. He says that job volume for April 2016 was nearly half the volume of April 2015, and currently, annual job posting volume is 63% on the platform compared to 2015, and 59% compared to 2014. But wait, there is always a chance that it is only his website that is getting less popular, right? Mr. Moll adds that it's not just his job board, but several of the competitors' as well. From a blog post: On one hand, we're cautious to assume that fewer jobs posted = fewer jobs available. We recognize companies have many avenues for advertising available jobs -- social media, recruiters, employee word-of-mouth, company websites, etc. Companies may choose at any time to broadcast jobs through these channels instead of a job board. So, for all intents and purposes, it's feasible the same number of jobs are available this year compared to previous years, just not on job boards. On the other hand, our volume trends have been very consistent the past four years. However, these trends are suddenly meaningless in 2016. It's anyone's guess what our volume will be each month regardless of what the historical data says.

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  1. Dammit Trump! by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Funny

    None of this bad stuff would have happened if that Donald Trump hadn't fooled those idiot 'Muricans into voting to leave the EU!

    If there's one thing that's a confirmed fact from reading Slashdot's editorial spin: If you aren't in the EU you might as well kill yourself now because you either live in the utopian paradise of the EU or you live in Somalia and there's literally no shades of gray.

    Just look at the third world hellhole that is Switzerland compared to the economic powerhouse of Greece if you don't believe me!

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    1. Re:Dammit Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP's meds are in short supply. The results are not pretty.

    2. Re: Dammit Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows that if we'd all just bow down and worship Barrack Hussein and do whatever he says like we did in 2008, none of this would be happening.

    3. Re:Dammit Trump! by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      The EU was destined from the start to become a dystopia- it's basically a confederacy that self-sabotaged itself by adopting a common currency, so the economies of individual countries lost the stability that was formerly provided by currency exchange fluctuations.
      When the U.S. was run under the Articles of Confederation, the Continental Congress printed currency but it depreciated so fast that individual states started just printing their own money. There was no such thing as a federal tax system; Congress couldn't levy taxes and basically had to beg states for money. Under the Constitution, the federal government can levy taxes, so there are channels allowing cash to flow from rich to poor states without any interstate debt steadily piling up. If Louisiana had to borrow money from New York instead of having it channeled indirectly through the federal government, it would have all the problems that Greece has now with the Euros it borrowed from Germany.
      This causes some grumbling in states like Texas, but it doesn't fly at all in Europe. People consider EU membership fees as being akin to foreign aid. There are language barriers that discourage people from moving from one EU country to another, and when they do, they arrive with an accent so obvious that they're seen as foreign invaders. In the U.S., you can easily move from state to state and blend right in. Polish immigrants triggered xenophobia among Brits, which seems kind of strange to Americans (since here, the Polish are referred to as "white people").

    4. Re:Dammit Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also the thing that interstate-debt in money transfers has to be paid off.

      Not like this shit:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARGET2#/media/File:Target2_balances.png

    5. Re:Dammit Trump! by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      The EU was destined from the start to become a dystopia- it's basically a confederacy that self-sabotaged itself by adopting a common currency, so the economies of individual countries lost the stability that was formerly provided by currency exchange fluctuations.

      That stability came at the cost of a lack of stability for others. It was destined from the start to fail because the UK didn't adopt the Euro. If Germany had refused the same crap would be happening, but it was the UK.

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    6. Re: Dammit Trump! by Hylandr · · Score: 0

      This.

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    7. Re: Dammit Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The advantages of a single currency were that supply contracts and transfer of funds between international subsidiaries wouldn't be affected by sudden fluctuations in currencies s soon as one other country just had a surprise election result or had suddenly decided to devalue their currency or a national strike had been called.

    8. Re: Dammit Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good to hear your life is going well, as always.

      Cheers!

    9. Re: Dammit Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interesting a columnist in ny daily news in article titled "why he is not voting for Hillary" states that Hillary is No Oboma who is a member of the black nationalist movement based in Chicago which is led by the " God hate America " reverend Wrigh. The same racist movement the Dallas cop killer belonged. Lying Oboma claimed he went to the church each. Week but did not listen to the preacher.

  2. Geographically unspecific by tttonyyy · · Score: 1

    I assume this is focused stateside? The articles doesn't provide much in the way of clues.

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    1. Re: Geographically unspecific by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I'm guessing. India job boards are probably loaded with hot jobs.

  3. Posting jobs is so 2000 by technomom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a senior level developers and it seems to me that recruiters are going straight to the source instead of posting.

    I get at least 5 to 10 emails or linked in posts per week pumping my ego and trying to get me to join the latest hot startup!!! Bean bag chairs!!! On site dry cleaning!!! Ping pong!!! Stock options that may actually be worth something.... Or not!!!!

    1. Re: Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I will second that. Much of our recruiting has been through networks. Job boards have just been shitty and costly.

    2. Re: Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last several times I have found a job, it's been by going to the company's website and applying.

      I once took a job I was approached about on linkedin by a headhunter and it was fine, but normally, I know where I want to work and I go straight to them. No need for a middle man.

    3. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I got one today and it literally said "free beer and more minge than you could shake a stick at".

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    4. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

      Haha yeah, I get 3-5 recruiters contacting me every day.

      Sometimes its a big company (Facebook, Google, Netflix, Microsoft, etc.) but more often than not it's endless small shitty startups.

      I always respond with the same answer: No thanks.

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    5. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      On site dry cleaning!!!

      What self-respecting tech worker wears anything that would need dry cleaning? What is this, 1971?

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    6. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      minge

      That was a typo. It was supposed to read, "mange".

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    7. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Ziest · · Score: 1

      Yeah,

      I'm getting at least half a dozen emails a day about yet another hot startup. Most of what they tell me sounds like bullshit. They really hate it when I remind them that I can't pay a mortgage with options. Show me the color of your money, sucker.

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    8. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "Free beer and more manga than you could shake a stick at".

      Where do I sign up?

    9. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      That means their office is located in one of those shopping center strips, between the dry cleaner and the payday loan place.

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    10. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      What self-respecting tech worker wears anything that would need dry cleaning? What is this, 1971?

      My current employer offers on-site pickup and delivery for dry cleaning to this day. It really does look like they think it's 1971. It's not free, either. Not even cheap. Just local. I've never once seen something on the rack in my building. In the building full of sales droids and business types, the service gets used. Go figure. And that would be why the company continues to spend money on it. Some middle manager is using the service regularly, and has the clout to keep it, even if 1000 other people never use it.

    11. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      I've been told recently by several recruiters that no one ever follows up on any resumes that come in from job boards, or even their own job posting websites. I do get many calls when the recruiters find my posted resume off Careerbuilder etc, but never any response from applying to anything on them. A trick I picked up was updating my resume every week, even just shuffling stuff around as that puts it back up to the top of "fresh" resumes lol.

    12. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What?

      Link?

      I'm EU work eligible. Dual citizen...what kind of beer?

      I'll find my own minge. 'Target rich' environments are good. Do they get free beer as well?

      /.ers want to know.

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    13. Re: Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Professional liers must wear suits. I never trust someone who has to dry clean their attire and wears a non-functional strip of fabric around their necks.

    14. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      minge

      That was a typo. It was supposed to read, "mange".

      Are you ready to make the jump to Mangement?

    15. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      My current employer offers on-site pickup and delivery for dry cleaning to this day.

      Get out while you're young.

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    16. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A trick I picked up was updating my resume every week, even just shuffling stuff around as that puts it back up to the top of "fresh" resumes lol.

      Sounds like a good app idea. An app which connects periodically at random time intervals to your career websites, randomly shuffles random items on the resume and then saves them to maintain "freshness". You could turn this on at the beginning of a job search and then keep it turned off or perhaps turn down the frequency when you're not in the market. If this was done well enough, it would be very difficult for the career websites to spot the manipulations, especially if not too many people were doing it.

    17. Re: Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a recruiter, I'd say that the problem with job boards is that 95+% of applicants apply for jobs they've never done before, and would not be considered for by the hiring manager. Searching for and contacting people who are qualified, and hoping that they'd be interested in the job on offer, is more likely to result in a hiring

    18. Re: Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also when a company seeks you out you know they're actually interested and not using a job posting as an excuse to hire more H1-Bs.

    19. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      I would be so happy with 5 to 10 a week. Right now when I count up the calls to my cell phone, messages to my personal email, and linked in messages, I am getting between 75 and 100 a week. Over the last two months, it has been so bad that, I have had to turn the ringer off on my phone.

    20. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1

      I have known that for years, even pass it on to anyone looking.

      Also, put a skills summary at the top of the resume. It's an easy way to pack in key words.

      Make sure you list 4 to 5 accomplishments per position. That's another way to pack key words.

      Stuff like

      2010-2015 Acme Corp
      Sr Unix Engineer
      * Deployed multiple OEL (Oracle Enterprise Linux) servers to use as Oracle DB Rack.
      * Maintained AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, and Linux servers.
      * Managed CentOS (RHEL) 5, 6, and 7 servers using puppet and Spacewalk (Satellite server)
      * Spearheaded to project to upgrade older servers to CentOS7.
      * Designed and deployed the central logging service utilizing rsyslog with a back end Postgresql database.

      As you can see, by doing that you have all the stuff that they may search for. Especially with the way companies look for everything including the kitchen sink.

    21. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by FrozenGeek · · Score: 1

      Question: I've heard of employers offering on-site dry-cleaning. To me, an ideal job allows me to wear jeans and t-shirts, neither of which I would ever dry clean. I do not believe I'm alone in my view of an ideal job. So, why is on-site dry-cleaning considered a perk?

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    22. Re: Posting jobs is so 2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you are qualified, you won't get a second look unless you exactly ematch the 500 specific demands they've listed in the job posting. However, if Apu submits the same resume, blatantly lying about all of those 500 specific demands, he'll be hired immediately.

      All that matters is price.

    23. Re:Posting jobs is so 2000 by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Just found out it's been filled :-(

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  4. Job board for "web professionals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's been a boom-and-bust sub-industry within the larger software market, since it got off the ground in 1995. Don't confuse that with the IT job market as a whole.

  5. Ariel Winter's Instagram Postings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ariel Winter's Instagram postings seem to be up about 41% with about 28% more skin.

  6. Looking for a job? by WarJolt · · Score: 4, Informative

    Qualified individuals are hard to come by. It's not the fact that there aren't jobs. We just don't have time to interview 20k practically worthless applicants to find that one hotshot that knows his stuff. There are alternatives. I research github accounts.

    1. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Suppose I don't want my work in a public Github area?

    2. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do companies train anymore?

    3. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no talent shortage. There is a glut of US & Canadian STEM folks out of work. There is a shortage of STEM talent willing to work for minimum wage.

    4. Re:Looking for a job? by taxman_10m · · Score: 1

      Looks to me like there isn't an alternative. This is what is expected. You must do what is expected. I'd like to hear from others.

    5. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just reading there's a lot of tension with community groups over gentrification in the Github area.

    6. Re:Looking for a job? by taxman_10m · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by that? Old people pushing commits or projects getting old?

    7. Re:Looking for a job? by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      What part of the country are you talking about? I can easily get $100+ an hour from multiple clients in my area.

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    8. Re:Looking for a job? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Do you hire Canadians that can't move to the US because healthcare would be way too expensive?

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    9. Re:Looking for a job? by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      If you can't afford health care on a programmer's salary, you're doing something seriously wrong.

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    10. Re:Looking for a job? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Or getting a rare form of cancer multiple times..

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    11. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why train? Yank another H1-B out of the cargo hold of the next tramp steamer that runs aground. Toss the current employee out on the street.

    12. Re:Looking for a job? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Basically, I don't know what cancer treatment would cost in the US and don't know what the ins and outs are so I don't want to risk it.

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    13. Re:Looking for a job? by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      Obamacare changed that. Prior conditions can no longer be used to deny you or even effect your rate.

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    14. Re:Looking for a job? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I've heard that most insurance plans have lifetime caps, or restrictions on what doctor you can see, etc etc. Also, prior conditions are ok even if they happened in another country? In my experience here, it is a fight to get covered by an insurance company. Seriously, this is very intriguing to me.

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    15. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Qualified individuals are hard to come by. It's not the fact that there aren't jobs. We just don't have time to interview 20k practically worthless applicants to find that one hotshot that knows his stuff. There are alternatives. I research github accounts.

      Great work dumbass. You miss out on me because I'm not permitted by my current contract to post anything on github. No problem though I'm sure you'll recruit some moron that likes to complete hackerrank challenges but can't document the last shiny problem he worked on for 2 hours before he moves on to the next half finished half assed real world solution. Enjoy your unmaintainable spaghetti mess using last year's buzzword hyped up silver bullet framework.

    16. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically, I don't know what cancer treatment would cost in the US and don't know what the ins and outs are so I don't want to risk it.

      This dingbats are looking for a young gun they can chew up and spit out so they can hire the next young gun 6 months later. You need to be part of that like you need your cancer to hit stage IV. Run dude!

    17. Re:Looking for a job? by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      There are lifetime caps. Your policy will determine what doctors you can see. With mine, I can see pretty much anybody I want.

      As for prior conditions in another country, I don't see how it matters. They're not allowed to ask you about them in the first place. Keep in mind that this all assumes you sign up during open enrollment. After that, the rules change a bit.

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    18. Re:Looking for a job? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      So I would only be able to move during open enrollment then, or be prepared to drive back to Canada if I needed treatment until open enrollment period?

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    19. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moving to a different state (or changing jobs) is a "qualifying event" or whatever they're called. You get so many days after you move to get new insurance.

    20. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had insurance through my work and it was free to me. Then coincidentally my fiance' also. She did lose a lot of time at work and I had to help her pay her regular bills. She also had to pay 5k out of pocket, but got it all back at the end of the year, so net cost to her was zero also (minus the interest on $5k).

    21. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For our game dev projects, we keep everything on SVN/Perforce, so you're likely missing an entire swath of engineering talent.

    22. Re:Looking for a job? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The project I'm working on for government IT does a lot of training: data security, customer service, dealing with Congress, dashboard training, and, coming soon, Microsoft SCCM 2012 training that will make it possible for the 65YO+ IT folks to retire from working (alas, without a gold watch and/or gold-plated pension).

    23. Re: Looking for a job? by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      Talented engineers don't use svn/perforce. I've used them all(including cvs) in production environments and I've found serious short comings in workflow with all of them when compared to git. Also tool integration is almost always better with git. Perforce usually requires reinventing the wheel. In game development that might not as big of a deal, but if your products span multiple domains it's really important. I work with Linux guys, Windows guys, AWS guys and Ruby guys just to name a few.

      I would take an engineer who can work with Atlassian tools(bitbucket, confluence and Jira) over one who knows perforce anyday. Github users can usually can transition almost immediately.

    24. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you would meet a qualifying enrollment, which is a "life changing event" or a "new job"

    25. Re:Looking for a job? by tepples · · Score: 1

      You miss out on me because I'm not permitted by my current contract to post anything on github.

      No, you miss out on a job because you could not negotiate the "we own what you make in your free time" clause out of your contract.

    26. Re: Looking for a job? by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Talented engineers use whatever works. All of Google's on Perforce. Surprising? Yes, but apparently that works for them.

    27. Re: Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Heh and this is why not only not having good people you also will never have friends. You insult a large segment of talented people who have to use tools such as perforce (Google), star team (telecoms), Svn/cvs and even rcs which was still used in parts of Apple during the iCloud buildout. You say all of those people lack talent?

      You are so full of yourself you will never know real talent or friendship, you are the pinnacle of arrogant elitism. We're it not for the fact that people like you must be publicly shamed I wouldn't even waste my time replying to you.

      I loath having to read such a conceited narrow minded thought, let alone waste the time to reply to it but someone has to waste the energy explaining to you how wrong your premise is if for no other reason than so those straddling the fence can see why the age/sex/arrogant bias amoung the so-called knowledge worker needs to go.

      You don't deserve to benefit from the technology the rest of us that lack talent have developed. You are welcome you sorry piece of shit.

      I hope to god you don't have kids or that no person was stupid enough to mate with you and maintain a relationship. If I was them having to live with your belittling ass I would commit suicide rather than risk becoming like you.

    28. Re: Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, no programmers will ever get a job unless they put code on github.

      Lol. You're a fucking tool.

    29. Re: Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A single version of our revisioned data is 109GB. We store HIPPA data with a time to live. We need proof and tracking of all machines which have accessed versions of the data and which versions they copied to their clients. The product is for windows, linux, osx, and 5 mobile platforms. Git can not handle our needs. Perforce can.

      Perforce is not better in all circumstances, but it does have it's place and it's uses.

    30. Re: Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Git initially didn't do binary differencing well which is more than a bit of a problem when you're checking in large binary assets for game development. You may have never worked in the space to realize it was an issue but what does come through in your reply is the arrogance that's causing people to miss amazingly talented engineers Also, artists generally prefer almost anything to git, so you've got to consider that part of the production pipeline as well.

      Oh, you don't use easy to lean tool X, I guess you're just not any good. And guess what, we use Atlassian tools as well,

    31. Re: Looking for a job? by PaulRivers10 · · Score: 1

      All of the software developers I've worked with who just want to get things done are happy with SVN. All of the software developers I've worked with who don't care if anything gets done, they just want to be loud and feel in charge, want to use Git. When other developers inevitably have issues with the pointless additional complexity of Git, they always have a big drama train full of excuses about how it's everyone elses fault not Git. Hint: it's Git's fault.

    32. Re:Looking for a job? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That would be "geriatrification." "Gentrification" would be a complaint about projects becoming more high-class (or conversely, less accessible to the lower class). In the context of computer programming, I have no idea WTF the GP was on about either.

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    33. Re: Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google replaced it with their own in-house implementation of Perforce. Former Google engineer, believe me or not.

    34. Re: Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My comments were excessive and the insults were in no way balanced towards the insult given. I believe your comment was not intentionally insulting and I am sorry my reply was so horrible. I have many excuses but not a single good reason and will not waste anymore of your time by mentioning them. I can only humbly ask for your pardon

    35. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      worthless applicants == someone who isn't a Purple Squirrel(tm), i.e., doesn't have a ridiculous laundry list of skills that no *honest* applicant, anywhere, could claim to have, such as 7 years experience in 4yo technology.

      Of course, such requirements are waived for Apu.

    36. Re:Looking for a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We just don't have time to interview 20k practically worthless applicants to find that one hotshot that knows his stuff.

      If you did find one, would you pay the hotshot what he/she is worth, or balk at the price?

  7. The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by cunina · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA, and you'll discover the following:

    - The 40% figure is based solely on the author's job board (which this article was meant to promote).
    - He makes some vague claims that he's "been tracking a few of our closest competitors for a couple years," and that data "trends along" with theirs, but he offers no concrete numbers, and the the plot he provides actually shows no such thing.
    - The author provides no real, provable explanation as to why this is (supposedly) happening.

    He may still be accidentally right about the jobs market, but this article really says only one thing: that 40% fewer people are using Authentic Jobs. And I'm more willing to conclude from that that they're getting their asses kicked by Indeed and LinkedIn.

    1. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with him. Since January, there has been a noticeable drop off in the number of "hot opportunities" & "urgent requirements" I have to fend off.

    2. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      I haven't noticed that at all. I could quit where I'm at and have another gig in 24 hours.

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    3. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Having been looking (and not finding) a new tech job in my area (within 100 miles of my home) for over a year... He's probably not wrong. I just don't see the jobs on 'job sites' anymore.

      And everyone says it's all moving to social media, but even there I just don't get much interest. I get hits on things like linked in, but since I'm now 37 I regularly get asked why I'm still in IT. When I say I still want to work in it because I like it and I'm good at it I never hear back.

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    4. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't noticed that at all. I could quit where I'm at and have another gig in 24 hours.

      And that may be true for one area of the US: the west coast. On the east cost it isn't quite as rosy. Try finding an embedded systems job in the Miami area (without the knee-jerk reaction of: MOVE!)

    5. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I work on the network / support side of things. I live in Vermont. I rarely if ever see temporary IT positions posted. Dice.com is nearly dead, - the same jobs are still posted months later, the same is true of a few local IT recruiter pages. The interviews I've attended are still hiring 6 months later, for the many positions I've interviewed for. A good friend of mine had to move to Arizona to get into the programming side of things, as everyone here apparently wants him to have 2+ years of programming experience before they'll hire him.

      I'd say there's definitely an atmospheric change at least in my immediate area.

    6. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

      So why don't you move?

      It's the perfect opportunity to get out of the hellhole that is Miami and Florida in general.

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    7. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So why don't you move?

      Because people who have other priorities in life such as proximity to family shouldn't automatically be excluded from having a career. Sadly, the US seems to be reminiscent of the old days where pa would leave his family to go work in a mine to put food on the table. This, in days where telecommuting is easier then it ever has been.

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    8. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

      *shrugs*.

      I moved from Australia to New Zealand for 5 years and now to San Francisco in the US. I love travel and working different places in the world and see no reason to need to live within close proximity of my family.

      Seeing them once every year or two is plenty enough. Skype and Facebook exists for a reason. :)

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    9. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      When you have multiple kids with school and a busy extra-curricular schedule, it really helps to have the parents around to help out. Especially if working more than 40 hours a week. I guess you could lean on friends that you meet, etc.. but then that's leaning on other people; the grandparents do it because they enjoy being with the grandkids.

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    10. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't you know that software development is for kids? Christ, even my 10 year old nephew can do it! If you're a real adult you show that you can boss people around.

    11. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Based on my job hunting experience, "urgent requirements" means that the hiring manager went on vacation. I shocked more than a few recruiters when they check with the company to find out that the hiring manager went on a one-week, two-week or month-long vacation. And I always follow up our conversation with, "Please explain how urgent this position is when the hiring manager is on vacation?"

    12. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Try finding an embedded systems job in the Miami area (without the knee-jerk reaction of: MOVE!)

      If you reject the obvious solution as "knee-jerk", then I think the problem is you, not the job market.

    13. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      I agree that it's strange that hi-tech jobs can't be done remotely in this day and age because management wants warm butts in seats - unless those jobs are being done overseas for a lot less money per butt.

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    14. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait until you hit 60. Or even 50. Too old for tech, too inexperienced at anything else.

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    15. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every position is urgent to a recruiter, because they urgently want to get paid.

    16. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by tepples · · Score: 1

      I agree that it's strange that hi-tech jobs can't be done remotely in this day and age because management wants warm butts in seats

      Some high-tech engineering jobs require specialized equipment, such as the developer board for an FPGA or a game console, that must be stored in a location more secure than someone's apartment.

    17. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having been looking (and not finding) a new tech job in my area (within 100 miles of my home) for over a year... He's probably not wrong. I just don't see the jobs on 'job sites' anymore.

      And everyone says it's all moving to social media, but even there I just don't get much interest. I get hits on things like linked in, but since I'm now 37 I regularly get asked why I'm still in IT. When I say I still want to work in it because I like it and I'm good at it I never hear back.

      Sadly, this is true in my area as well.

    18. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "Dice.com is nearly dead"

      That and Glassdoor and Monster and CareerBuilder and many of these other job/professional sites are just bullshit. Half of the jobs posted are really just a means of information-gathering for survey companies or resume stealing fucks, there was never a job available in the first place, but spending the meager one-time listing fee to get all that information under the guise of a job offer makes financial sense.

      You have better chances of finding actual work on Craigslist, and even then you still face the same issue, but at least it's a bit easier to spot.

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    19. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really??? Maybe it's where you live that's the problem. I live in Houston (not exactly a tech Mecca), and have found NO shortage of tech jobs, even though I'm 50.

    20. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really??? Maybe it's where you live that's the problem. I live in Houston (not exactly a tech Mecca), and have found NO shortage of tech jobs, even though I'm 50.

      I haven't lived in Houston before, but I have in the past considered moving there. It has a few things going for it in my opinion. First, the business environment there and in Texas generally hasn't been wrecked by environmentalists, public employee unions, corrupt politicians and nanny state busybodies unlike here in California. Second, there's no zoning so you can pretty much build whatever you want wherever you want and start whatever business without some piss ant politico standing on your shoes or otherwise getting in your way. When I get too old to remain here in the California tech scene, I'm going to move out to Texas and Houston will definitely be on my short list.

    21. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      I live in Northwest PA, which is not exactly a tech mecha... But in the past their has always been a good number of jobs as their are any number of companies around which, of course, run all sorts of computer systems. Now the market just seems dead. A few postings exist, but most are ones I've interviewed for and who knows exactly what they want because they are still there (and are from names you'd recognize).

      The interest I do get always seems to be 'why haven't you gone into management if your any good?', which is funny since my last network admin job I was the top of the heap in the IT department and so the defacto CIO without the title. My resume actually explains that with lots of mentioning of doing budgets, long term planning, etc... However I don't think a human ever reads my resume.

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    22. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      I already get comments that I'm to inexperienced for anything else. Just to tide me over from the draught I applied to places like the local pizza shop... Who turned me down for 'lack of restaurant experience'. The same sort of thing happened all around when I tried to find 'regular' work. Heck factories told me that my history in IT made me a high risk of leaving when something better came up and somehow factory employers want people to commit long term.

      In the end I did get a part time job... With the US Post Office as rural carrier sub. Ironically they have lots of older workers and most 'younger' people aren't willing to put in the immense amount of work required and quit. The oldest in my local office are a couple years from retirement, the youngest are 4 or 5 years younger than me. It's not a fun job, but it pays well (heck starting it pays better as an hourly rate then my last IT job) and part-time still has some benefits (though not the most useful ones like vacation or sick time). If the market here doesn't improve I can even apply for a job at another branch in whatever city I want to move to and work there while looking for a tech job.

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    23. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the perfect opportunity to get out of the hellhole that is Miami and Florida in general.

      Because:

      • I was born here.
      • I have a house here (fully paid for).
      • All my friends are here.
      • I despise the west coast

      To me places like California and Washington state are hellholes. Not everyone thinks they are great. I've been there on numerous business trips and would never live there.

    24. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some high-tech engineering jobs require specialized equipment, such as the developer board for an FPGA or a game console, that must be stored in a location more secure than someone's apartment.

      As the original poster in Miami, Florida: This is a big problem. I mainly do embedded work and it's very hard to do that remotely. I'm getting a bit older now and the constant travel is getting to me. I guess the notion of picking up all your stuff and moving is easy for the typical Slashdot 20-something.

    25. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you reject the obvious solution as "knee-jerk", then I think the problem is you, not the job market.

      What a brilliant argument. Everyone who works in any form of Engineering should be in one spot in the US. Makes total sense.

      Aside from the fact that I just hate it in the west coast did you ever think that one may have family obligations that prevent them from moving? It's easy for a 20 year old to move. Not so much for someone in their 40's who's built up 40 years worth of life in an area.

    26. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should just give yourself the CIO title on your resume.

      Remember, resumes are advertisements. And when has an ad ever been the literal truth?

    27. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We only post jobs on our site just in case somebody wants to apply, but normally we contact candidates directly.
      If you want to find a job, you should advertise yourself (github, linked in).

      It is hard to hire in tech.

      We reject most candidates either on technical basis (typically lack of potential, but also mismatched perceived skill vs actual) or cultural basis (won't be a good team fit).

    28. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      That works up until someone actually goes and contacts a former employer. I also never wielded the power of a 'CIO' as everything I did as the defacto head of the department was filtered through others... I'd create a budget or proposal for something we'd need and my on paper 'manager' who was the head of the business unit would look it over and forward it on under her name. Though I also directly reported to the CEO, especially if 'something went wrong'. It was in lots of ways a very horrible job with all the responsibility and none of the power or pay to go with it.

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    29. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Hey, get enough of those "boss-people-around" folks in a meeting room, and you can extend a 3 week project into 3 months easy.

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    30. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've been stuck and am slowly extricating myself from a position that eventually stripped my authority but left the responsibility. It happened slowly, as the CIO started hiring directors, instead of promoting from within (Sr. Mgr was the highest slot up to then).

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    31. Re:The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the future. When I was between programming jobs I worked as a receptionist/office manager job. Not exactly programming, but as you said, paid the bills.

      Even that wouldn't have been an option prior to transition. For some reason, employers aren't so critical when it's a woman applying for a "normal" job. Work history doesn't matter as much, I guess because it's "expected" that you're not going to work uninterrupted from the day you enter the work force to the day they kick your carcass out the door.

      Mind you, I am NOT suggesting you go the same route. Unless you want to ...

      I would suggest sticking with the post office. You at least have a union.

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    32. Re: The article, and the headline, are bullshit. by HagbardCeline6909 · · Score: 1

      Wait until the economy turns bad...

  8. job boards are not that useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    job boards are not that useful, and recruiters know that. I've seen stats that say 10-percent of jobs get filled through job boards. the balance are networking (45-pct) and old fashioned poaching (45-pct)

    1. Re:job boards are not that useful by tepples · · Score: 1

      the balance are networking (45-pct) and old fashioned poaching (45-pct)

      Would getting a CCNA help with the "networking" part?

  9. Thanks Obama! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually I'm being hit up by recruiters more than ever, but maybe it's just because I'm so awesome.

  10. a rotten steak is not indicative of the herd. by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    I live in the Seattle area - lots of jobs. More like use of his site is down. Indeed, Careerbuilder, Craigslist - all full of jobs.

    1. Re:a rotten steak is not indicative of the herd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of jobs in Boston as well. That is, If you believe that job postings that have been up for over 2 years are really jobs.
      Boston is an utter joke. Stay away from here if you want to work.

    2. Re:a rotten steak is not indicative of the herd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from seattle, worked in seattle, left seattle. Why does everyone from seattle come off as such a massive cunt ?

    3. Re:a rotten steak is not indicative of the herd. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Craigslist? That's some scary sh*t there.

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    4. Re:a rotten steak is not indicative of the herd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolwut? I have had no trouble getting jobs in Boston or the surrounding area. I only have associates degrees and have people fighting over me. I find the biggest disconnect is that hiring is actually hard. I've hired on people who interviewed great and they were just...terrible...once actually working.

  11. First comment in his blog explains it by tomhath · · Score: 1

    There have been a ton of niche job boards crop up over the past few years, which are targeted to precise audiences and that are creating more competition.

    In other words, he's getting his butt kicked by the competition. But he's in denial, so he blames the job market.

  12. Sadly... by mhkohne · · Score: 1

    My first thought is that perhaps employers are figuring out that with many job boards largely full of scammy recruiters (No, I didn't check the board that's the subject of the article), and don't want to play in that kind of sandbox anymore.

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  13. Linkedin is far more effective by mongothesecond · · Score: 1

    At least where I live. Combine with in house software for referral links, and i dont miss job boards.

  14. What happened to this profession. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wait until you hit 60. Or even 50. Too old for tech, too inexperienced at anything else.

    Ain't that the truth!

    And folks who aren't in the business still think things are like they were in 1999 and wonder why you can't get work. And folks who are but either still in their 20s just brush you off because "if you were any good and have the skills, you'd have a job."

    My brother just hit 50 and he's afraid of losing his job - he's training H1-b replacements with a promise of an eventual promotion. He sees the writing on the wall since his last promotion was canceled due to a reorg and is looking for another job. There isn't anything out there.

    WTF happened to this business? When I got into it in the early 90s, I thought I would be doing this until I retired - like the 'old timers' I worked with at the time. You used to be able to retire as a tech person - I knew people who did.

    1. Re:What happened to this profession. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF happened to this business?

      We didn't unionize and create an organization looking after our political interests while we had a chance. We were all to enamoured with how talented we are and thought we were important. In reality "Great worker, Sincere!" is code for you're a peon.

      Same type of thinking got a lot of Jewish people killed in Nazi Germany.

    2. Re:What happened to this profession. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Sentence 1: agree.
      Sentence 2: agree.
      Sentence 3: agree.
      Sentence 4: hard right turn into a Godwin.

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    3. Re:What happened to this profession. by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      I think some of it is finding the right niche. I switched from C++ to C# and had a LOT more attention from hiring managers and multiple offers.

      If you're a sysadmin/IT and you keep the same job, I know people who have been able to stay on for a while, but many get replaced by "the cloud". Larger companies with fancy DMZ's and stuff like that still need sysadmins.

      When I want to see what the unsupplied demand is, I look at dice and see what has the most hits.

  15. Re:revert the same by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the jobs posted by HR that reads like your dating profile.

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  16. In some fields, free software is uncommon by tepples · · Score: 1

    So what is expected of a developer in a field where free software is by far the exception? Commercial video games are non-free far more often than not, as are player software for rented movies and (U.S.) income tax return preparation software.

  17. or there are simply twice as many job boards? by moglito · · Score: 2

    It may just as well be that the number of competing job boards doubles ever year and the postings distribute equally. Reminds me of TV channels: they kept increasing until eventually no one cared anymore and cut cable all together and became more selective again about what they subscribe to (netflix, hulu, hbo, etc.). With this constant increase in job boards, they may all become collective irrelevant eventually and maybe people are indeed no longer posting jobs on them. So maybe both of these effects are at play? a job-boards bubble?

  18. Maybe That's Because by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    The top job boards are all shit. So much as look at your account sideways and you'll be inundated with useless fucking spam from a guy named Deepak (It's always fucking Deepak, too) who has some $15 an hour phone support position in Detroit that he thinks your 30 years of software engineering experience would be perfect for. If a company is posting a position on a job board, it's because they're paying severely under market, have a shitty working environment, or are planning to get rid of that position in less than a year, so they don't want to incur the $10,000 or so referral that they'd typically pay to a recruiting company. Maybe all three. Really, the only reason to keep an eye on the job boards is to give you a good idea of who in the area NOT to work for.

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    1. Re:Maybe That's Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Deepak starts spamming me with today's urgent requirement, it's almost always for HCL, TCS, Wipro, Cognizant. Deepak has given up trying to place directly at US employers. Since I'm not Indian, I'll never be considered for the Indian firms, so I just delete the spam.

  19. The simple answer is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After a couple years of retirement my health allows me to work again, so people don't need all those others anymore.

    No telling when the long hours will bring on the burnout again though.

  20. Yeehaw, by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

    the crash is on!

  21. Haha overrated by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Overrated is a mod that exists strictly to tell you that you are correct, and made someone butt-hurt.

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  22. How are things on the UNpopular job boards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want to hang out with the "popular" kids. I want to go to the alternate job boards. The unpopular ones. The ones where people who want to be different and not be a sheeple.

  23. It has slowed down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sitting here in Boston. I keep in touch with a couple of people who are on the sales / account management side of a larger staffing firm in the Boston area. A couple of weeks ago, I asked these reps about the market, since I felt the job market had slowed significantly over a year ago. The reps immediately agreed with me that the market had softened, but they weren't sure if this was an overall slowdown or whether budgets had been exhausted.

    Look around. If you've been on summer vacation, I bet you see less people running around. Even Disney's crowds are 7 percent lower than a year ago.

    We are slipping back into recession, so job opportunities will be fewer.

    I'm sure some of you will point out the Bay Area is still a hot market. Thanks, but I'd rather not spend every cent I make on rent and taxes.

  24. I work in Recruiting Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in Recruiting Industry creating software for things like career portals, job boards, and tools recruiters use to hire. The scuttlebutt is that companies realized that the candidates they get from their career portals as opposed to job boards tended to be more likely proper fit and also would stick with the company for much longer than someone from a job board. This could finally be filtering in through the industry. If you use a Job Board you are going to look at thousands of resumes and the guy will stick around for a year and jump ship. That costs companies money.

  25. Because nobody has heard of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want realistically track this use a real job site like dice or careerbuilder, not some two bit site nobody has even heard of.