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Insect-Devouring Bats Now Welcomed in New York (nytimes.com)

Slashdot reader HughPickens.com shares an article from the New York Times: The town of North Hempstead on Long Island has approved the construction of bat houses in several parks to attract more bats to the area because despite their less-than-desirable reputation, bats possess a remarkable ability to control insects, especially disease-carrying mosquitoes. "Bats can eat up to 1,000 mosquitoes per hour," says Judi Bosworth. "That's extraordinary. A pesticide couldn't do that." As mosquito season heats up, bringing with it the threat of the West Nile and Zika viruses, the bats make very welcome neighbors.

[T]he Asian tiger mosquito is found on Long Island and is capable of transmitting Zika in a laboratory setting, and as of October, 490 cases of West Nile and 37 deaths resulting from it have been recorded in New York since 2000. "If you minimize the mosquito population you minimize the possible incidence of the Zika virus," says Larry Schultz. "If you reduce the mosquito population, you make parks more accessible."

"Bats really have been very maligned," says Bosworth -- noting they don't really swoop down on your head and get tangled in your hair.

115 comments

  1. Who would have guessed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot reader HughPickens.com shares an article...

    Wow, who would have guessed that?

    1. Re:Who would have guessed by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Websites are people too.

  2. Don't like bats? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why people don't like bats is bejond me.
    They are cute, it looks nice when they fly around and they harm no one.

    --
    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    1. Re:Don't like bats? by EmeraldBot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why people don't like bats is bejond me. They are cute, it looks nice when they fly around and they harm no one.

      They can spread rabies through their bites, and although they rarely attack people, they sometimes do if they feel threatened (as in old buildings). I think it's fantastic that people are finally starting to realize that nature provides its own balancing mechanisms, but I think that if the bat population becomes large enough, rabies vaccines might be a good idea.

      --
      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    2. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why people don't like bats is bejond me.

      Leathery. Hardly any meat on them. Get bits stuck between your teeth. Honestly don't think I've ever met anyone who likes them who's tried them.

    3. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's all Batman's fault. He stole their image, and then goes around beating people up at night.

    4. Re:Don't like bats? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Leathery. Hardly any meat on them. Get bits stuck between your teeth. Honestly don't think I've ever met anyone who likes them who's tried them.

      If a black chicken flies into your apartment when you're poor and unable feed your family, you're going to pass up a free meal?

    5. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to be bitten by a bat in order to get rabies. any type of saliva exposure is adequate. rabies vaccines are inadequate. No vaccine has 100% effectiveness and rabies is close to 100% fatal. Given the bat vector, herd immunity does not apply. I think keeping the bats away is far preferable.

    6. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the droppings smell bad

    7. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those could be used to energy production if the volume is sufficient.

    8. Re:Don't like bats? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why people don't like bats is bejond me.

      This is New York we're talking about. They prefer spiders, not bats.

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
    9. Re: Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You made a Spider-Man joke! I get it! Hahahhahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

    10. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why people don't like bats is bejond me.

      I like ding bats.

    11. Re:Don't like bats? by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1
      --
      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    12. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why people don't like bats is bejond me.

      I like ding bats.

      comic sans is better

    13. Re:Don't like bats? by boudie2 · · Score: 2

      #batlivesmatter

    14. Re:Don't like bats? by EmeraldBot · · Score: 3, Informative

      You don't need to be bitten by a bat in order to get rabies. any type of saliva exposure is adequate. rabies vaccines are inadequate. No vaccine has 100% effectiveness and rabies is close to 100% fatal. Given the bat vector, herd immunity does not apply. I think keeping the bats away is far preferable.

      If saliva doesn't penetrate the skin, it's very unlikely to make you sick unless you decide it's a smart idea to rub your finger right over the spot and then put it in your mouth, and rabies vaccines are pretty effective, something like a 97% success rate even after 10+ years later, and bats are pretty unlikely to attack people, even the rabid ones, because we run on different circadian rhythms. The problem is applying the vaccines - I don't think rabies is a standard vaccine for people, and if we're going to encourage large scale residency of bats in a city, then I think at least recommending the vaccine might not be the worst of ideas. Honestly, I think the risk of rabies from a bat is significantly smaller than something taking hold in the excessive mosquito population, so it's definitely a decision I support, but I think we need to consider everything, and that includes the risk of a rabies outbreak.

      --
      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    15. Re:Don't like bats? by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Mostly irrational fear but rabies can be a valid concern.

      I don't really mind them, but my most recent encounter was one on my back porch. I opened the door one night and it startled me as it flew away very quickly. I wouldn't mind a bat-house in the back yard that kept them at arms length but I am glad they don't make a habit of roosting right by my back door.

      And most people who I told about it cautioned me to check for bites because it's possible it bit me and I just didn't feel it. It didn't bite me and I didn't get rabies.

      Every few years or so people get interested in bats either because mosquitoes are particularly bad one year or fears of West Nile and now Zika.

    16. Re:Don't like bats? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Just to reiterate this, here are the U.S. rabies cases in people from 2003-2013. Although human rabies has nearly been eliminated in the U.S., you can see that more than half the cases were transmitted by bats, more than 2/3 if you only look at cases where the exposure happened within the U.S.

      I think bats are much-maligned too, but rabies is something you just do not screw around with (nearly 100% fatality rate - even our best treatment only has a 8% success rate).

    17. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2-3 cases per year?

      There has got to be more cases of dying by lightning strike while drowning in a bath tub.

    18. Re:Don't like bats? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      What has people spooked about bats and rabies is while you definitely know if you in danger from a dog bite, bat bites are often not easy to detect.

    19. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and they don't do any texting while driving the batmobile.

    20. Re:Don't like bats? by Rei · · Score: 2

      Bats are common rabies carriers, although contracting rabies is indeed rare. Rabies vaccines work, but they have to be used before symptoms set in. If you don't realize that you've been put at risk, you're not going to get the vaccine.

      One of those rare people to die of rabies was an acquaintance of my younger sister, who lives in the Houston area (this was something like 10 years ago). A bat got into his room while he was sleeping and they shooed it out when it was discovered; he never knew he had been exposed. They tried to save him after the symptoms set in - it has succeeded in the past, although only very rarely. It was too little, too late.

      But again... humans dying of rabies is very rare.

      --
      We also have a halon fire extinguisher. Its always nice to have a fire extinguisher that kills people around.
    21. Re:Don't like bats? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why people don't like bats is bejond me. They are cute, it looks nice when they fly around and they harm no one.

      I have never understood that either. I remember reading an article in a science magazine years and years ago about bats. The article was about a biologist who studied the bats and the guy told this story about how he'd been talking to a farmer about being allowed to look for bat roosts on his land. The farmer just grinned and replied that if the biologist found any he should be sure to tell him so he could rot them out. Instead of blowing his stack this guy just asked the farmer if potato Beatles were a problem for him? ...to which the farmer replied that, yes, the were. The biologist then went on to give him a short lecture on bats and do a back-of-the-envelope calculation of how many potato beetles the average bat colony the size of the ones he had been finding in the region consumed in one night which turned out to be something like a metric ton of bugs. When the guy came back a while later to check on the bats he found that the farmer had put up a bunch no-trespassing signs around the bat roost. I read somewhere that the free-tailed bats from Bracken Cave in Texas eat 250 tons, thats TONS of bugs in a single night!! ...but that's a pretty big colony. Nevertheless, if I was a farmer I'd build bat roost in my fields and get advice from biologists about how best to persuade the critters to move in.

    22. Re:Don't like bats? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Well, if lightning or bathtub drownings compounded as they became more common, then yeah you'd be right. Diseases are different from those causes of death in that animals transmit it to each other, so a small increase in transmission rate translates into a large increase in number of cases. Rabies is rare in the U.S. because we've worked extensively to control it. Dog vaccinations are mandatory, and we set up baits with vaccines to vaccinate wild raccoons, foxes, and skunks. That's why most of the transmission in the U.S. is via bats - the baits don't work on them. In Asia and Africa which don't have these extensive rabies control programs, it kills about 25,000 people per year. (Most of the transmission there is via dogs, but the dogs are getting it from other animals.)

      It's like immunization programs for children - where a successful vaccination program can almost complete eliminate the disease. But if the vaccination rate drops below a certain threshold (or in this case, you increase the number of un-vaccinated organisms causing a drop in the percentage which are vaccinated), you start to get outbreaks of the disease again.

    23. Re:Don't like bats? by Your.Master · · Score: 2

      Although nobody is talking about building enclosures to attract lightning to your bathroom...

      There is a degree to which rabies in humans is rare because people are afraid of it. And fatal shark attacks are rare because humans don't like to swim where the dangerous shark varieties are. Etc..

      That doesn't mean this isn't a good idea -- mosquitoes are a disease reservoir that is typically much more infectious, and choosing bats because they suppress mosquito populations* seems likely to be a good choice. It's just an explanation for why people don't love bats. I didn't care about bats much but my parents would tell me to avoid them due to the rabies risk.

      * This of course assumes it's true. I've read that there's little evidence that bats eat enough mosquitoes to make up for the fake that they eat the things that already eat mosquitoes.

    24. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what exactly you mean by "inadequate." I've been vaccinated against rabies and my seroconversion levels were just fine, same as everybody else at work (R&D facility that occasionally has live rabies virus on site).

    25. Re:Don't like bats? by aevan · · Score: 2

      Corpses in the walls, and histoplasma from guano in attics.

      I've no issue with bats being bats in the wild, but when they decide they want to winter in your attic and it takes three visits by removal companies (coupled with a 'no, they have young, we have to wait until they are grown' - while hearing them in the walls and finding some hanging off curtains)... you tend to not like them in a more intimate environment =P

    26. Re:Don't like bats? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You can sell that guano for almost 20 bucks a kilo on Amazon.

      Bat shit.... Crazy!

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    27. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are cases of rabies, exposure to bats, and no bite marks. We actually don't know as much about the transmission as you are implying. Risk of rabies from bats is lower RIGHT NOW, when the bat population is low in the urban areas. Raise the number of bats, and you raise the number of rabies. Admittedly, there are only 1-2 cases of rabies in the US per year, but again, if we intentionally increase the population of a known vector, that may be a problem. I think your opinion is valid, even if I disagree.

        But mark my words, if you introduce bats into the populated areas, you will bring about rabies and the beginning of the end, when the zombie apocalypse comes.

    28. Re:Don't like bats? by bruce_the_moose · · Score: 2

      The Bat
      By Frank Jacobs

      Bats are creepy; bats are scary;
      Bats do not seem sanitary;
      Bats in dismal caves keep cozy;
      Bats remind us of Lugosi;
      Bats have webby wings that fold up;
      Bats from ceilings hang down rolled up;
      Bats when flying undismayed are;
      Bats are careful; bats use radar;
      Bats at nighttime at their best are;
      Bats by Batman unimpressed are!

      I first read this poem in an ancient (c1972) Mad Magazine anthology, and have loved it ever since. At last! An opportunity to share it!

      --
      To reduce crime, make fewer things against the law.
    29. Re:Don't like bats? by rgbatduke · · Score: 2

      As several people pointed out, bats are one of the most common vectors of rabies in the US. And sadly, you do not have to be bitten by a bat to get rabies. There is evidence that just being in the same room with a rabid bat can lead to exposure, probably from aerosolized saliva. Three men (out of the 19 total) who died of rabies over the last ten years had no reported history of contact with bats at all, but had bat-associated rabies viruses. It isn't probable that you will get rabies just being outdoors with bats flying overhead (you have to be super-unlucky, as the bats have to have rabies AND you have to inhale or otherwise introduce aerosolized bat saliva into your system) but it is possible. My wife is a physician who used to work with bats before she went to medical school (and went to Jamaica to collect them because they don't have rabies in Jamaica) and once the evidence that rabies could be transmitted by bats without any bite at all came out, she has actively discouraged even building outdoor bat houses to attract them to our yard.

      Yes, one is balancing risks. Mosquitoes carry many diseases (and bats carry a few besides rabies, e.g. histoplasmosis) and some of them can be fatal. Killing mosquitoes with e.g. chemical agents carries risks that have to be balanced against the costs and risks of the diseases they carry. Increasing the bat population will likely enough reduce the mosquito population and chance of mosquito borne infection, but at the risk of increasing the number of deaths due to bat-borne disease instead. I'd guess that the bet is a good one, but (naturally) not for the losers.

      There are other efficient mosquito eaters. Purple martins, for example, dragonflies for another. These are not rabies or disease vectors AFAIK. But rabies is an especially scary disease because if you get it, you are basically dead, and 17 out of the 19 deaths reported to the CDC from 1997 to 2006 were from bat-related variants of the rabies virus (so even if the bite was e.g. from a fox or racoon, the fox got it from a bat). It is like mad cow disease -- scary because you may not even know you were exposed and then at some later point -- possibly years later for vCJD -- you develop the incurable disease and die. Because vCJD is so difficult to detect or diagnose, you might even die without anyone ever knowing why. If you remember the panic over mad cow disease in the US, try to also remember that more people die of bat borne rabies in three years that have ever -- to the best of our current knowledge -- died of vCJD in the US, and of the four that HAVE died, all of them are believed to have contracted the disease overseas.

      The flu, on the other hand, kills well over 100 children every year, and many times that many adults. Yet people don't fear it enough to even get vaccinated, all too often, because MOST people who get it don't die (but a lot of people get it!). It's not rational. Go figure.

      rgb

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      Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
    30. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, let's compare, shall we?

      1 case of rabies in the entire state of NY from 2003 to 2014.

      3 cases of EEE in NY in that same interval, all of whom died.
      490 cases of WNV in NY since 2000, with 37 deaths.

      (Data source - Your own links + the link in TFS.)

      If you're more scared of rabies, even with a marked increase in the bat population in NYC, than you are of EEE and WNV, then I suggest you go take a remedial statistics class.

    31. Re:Don't like bats? by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the use of guano as a fertilizer that has fungicidal properties.

      Although I expect it can be quite a pain if the population grows too large as it is with pigeons. Then again, bats don't eat our waste so the insect population should regulate that in places like city parks.

    32. Re:Don't like bats? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't actually surprise me if the bats were just carriers but the transmission path was mites/fleas/parasites/etc. Seems the most logical thing to me, especially when there's no direct/obvious marks on the person. And since rabies can be passed through any mucas, blood, urine or fecal matter you can guess at the other various paths too.

      While I live in an urban area, we have bats here since the rest of the county is very rural. And while rabies has been pretty much eradicated from everything here(from racoons and foxes to coyotes and bears), bats seem to be the one big species where they've had problems eradicating it. There's warnings put out every year to avoid bats because they're common rabies carriers.

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    33. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am assaulted (in the city !) by countless pigeons. And old ladies continue to feed them - the pigeons multiplied beyond measure, and it seems there's no cure for that.

      Before there were falcons, but try to find a falcon now in our bustling cities !

      All the cars, buildings, etc look like guano paitings - and still, old ladies still buy with their meager pensions food for pigeons.

      When it's lunch time at one of my neighbours, the sky goes dark from the flocks of pigeons coming to feast.

      So yes, we should colonize bats to distroy the mosquitos. We should let nature auto-regulate.

    34. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a law in the books in Iowa, anyone who was sleeping in a home that had a bat in it must get rabies shot.

      I don't think you'll see these constructed in Iowa anytime soon. Rabies is a terrible disease and the current shot(s) for it cost several thousand dollars.

    35. Re:Don't like bats? by sabbede · · Score: 1
      I like bats, but having seen their faces up close, I don't think I can support your claim of "cute".

      That said, bat populations are in serious need of help what with White Nose killing them left and right. I hope this helps their numbers by giving them smaller and cleaner "caves" to sleep in.

    36. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't actually surprise me if the bats were just carriers but the transmission path was mites/fleas/parasites/etc. Seems the most logical thing to me, especially when there's no direct/obvious marks on the person.

      That's basically how The Black Death got transmitted, right? Rats were the carriers, but it was the fleas on the rats that actually housed the virus.

    37. Re:Don't like bats? by NotARealUser · · Score: 1

      ^^^This

      As a population of a species becomes more dense, communicable diseases tend to transfer to larger percentages of the population. In the case of bats, larger bat populations in closer proximity, would result in a higher percentage of bats contracting rabies.

      I am not necessarily opposed to bat houses (I used to build them as a kid), but people arguing that lightning strikes are more common, therefore throw caution to the wind with bats is full of logical fallacies and simplistic thinking.

      Bats can be a major vector for the spread of rabies. First world countries generally control this risk by reducing other vectors (i.e. immunizing pets). By reducing the other vectors, you reduce the chance of the spread of the disease back and forth between species of animals and therefore decrease a bat's chance of contracting rabies. Once you increase the unvaccinated population of animals that CAN contract rabies, the number of rabies cases will compound (not linearly).

      Oh and regarding sharks, lightning strikes, and other such rare and scary ways to die... Comparing those stats with other risks is generally not a real good comparison. People take steps to mitigate those risks. Every tall structure has lightning rods, beaches have shark notification systems, etc. If you threw caution out and swam around lighting rods in shark infested waters, your chances would be different. Bat-rabies risk is sort of like that. The risk is low, because we take precautions and because the population of bats is low in populated areas.

      Now please don't think I am advocating stopping the bat house programs. I generally think they are a good idea, but I also think that it would be a very good research project for some universities/departments of natural resources to find a way to vaccinate the bat population if we are going to continue to try to expand the population.

    38. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its funny how people are so afraid of getting rabies from bats that they are have almost no chance of coming in contact with. But that have no problems with rabies infected raccoons putting saliva all over trash can lids that they are almost certain to touch.

    39. Re:Don't like bats? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      The thing is, any mammal can be a rabies carrier. But we seem to have a disproportionate fear of bats for some reason.

      People don't seem to have the same level of fear for rats and raccoons. This despite the fact that we probably come in closer contact more frequently with them than we do bats.

      I, for one, welcome our new bat overlords.

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    40. Re:Don't like bats? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      The Bat

      And here I thought that you were going to talk about an e-mail client

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    41. Re:Don't like bats? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      beaches have shark notification systems, etc. If you threw caution out and swam around lighting rods in shark infested waters, your chances would be different.

      Huh? Shark-notification systems are completely new, they probably didn't even exist 10 years ago. 50 years ago, no one even thought about sharks. Even so, deaths (or maimings) by shark have always been extremely rare.

      The simple fact is that sharks just aren't very interested in humans, and there aren't that many sharks that are big enough to confuse us with giant sea turtles and seriously hurt us anyway.

      However, I do agree that someone needs to figure out how to vaccinate wild bats the way they've done for other critters. We need more bats, a LOT more bats. Flying insects are bad enough on their own, but now with Zika and other diseases being carried by them, bats would be excellent for keeping the population of these pests down. Plus, bats are cute.

    42. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you eat a lot of garlic (enough that your sweat smells of it), then fleas won't like you much. Hmm, vampire stories?

    43. Re:Don't like bats? by NotARealUser · · Score: 1

      There were shark notification systems longer than 10 years ago (I was referring to general notification, not just newfangled fancy electronic notifications). I remember a beach I lived near that had helicopter and/or boat patrols that would notify lifeguards on shore when sharks got too close to swimming areas.

    44. Re:Don't like bats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or from mosquito-carried diseases.

    45. Re:Don't like bats? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Ok, but people have been swimming at beaches a lot longer than they've used helicopters to watch for sharks. And either one of those things is costly anyway. Shark attacks have simply never been a big problem, ever, anywhere.

    46. Re:Don't like bats? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The problem with 'rabies' is that is actually a name for three or four completely unrelated viruses (causing similar symptoms) and the fact that is relatively rare and hence often diagnosed to late.

      If it is diagnosed straight away the likelihood to survive due to passive vaccines is very high. But after three days or so it is to late.

      There is even a Dr. House sequel about it, facepalm. After 5 seconds it was clear to me the girl had rabies. Luckily we have only a death every few decades in Germany. The last one was horrible. He was an organe donor and even knowing he died to rabies they transplanted some of his organs. Obviously the receivers died more or less instantly. Unbelievable how dumb Doctors can be.

      Interesting that it is probably spread via the air, too. But that would affect all speciem not only bats.

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    47. Re:Don't like bats? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, I only had once one in my sleeping room.
      It was just flying around ... took it about an hour to decide to fly out again :)

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    48. Re:Don't like bats? by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

      Interesting that it is probably spread via the air, too. But that would affect all speciem not only bats.

      Only, as bats fly around a room at night over your bed (which happens not infrequently in old houses with bats in the attic, I will personally attest) they emit sonar pulses and if they are rabid, tend to be sloppy. So they emit aerosolized rabies-laden bat-sputum too. Then you can inhale it, or get it on a cut in your skin, or open your eyes and get droplets in your eye, etc. A rabid fox out in open air might run you down and bite you, foaming at the mouth or not, but it isn't that likely to sneeze at you violently enough to infect you through the air. It is also lower than your airways instead of above them. In North Carolina bats are by far the primary vector anyway -- no-bite transmission is just a bonus.

      rgb

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      Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
    49. Re:Don't like bats? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Gotham modeled on New York?

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  3. Speaking of myths... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bats "don't really swoop down on your head and get tangled in your hair." They also don't eat 1,000 mosquitoes an hour (PDF).

    1. Re:Speaking of myths... by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Bats "don't really swoop down on your head and get tangled in your hair." They also don't eat 1,000 mosquitoes an hour (PDF).

      To be fair pesticides can't even eat bugs.

    2. Re:Speaking of myths... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Bats really can swoop down and get tangled in your hair... you may ask my sister. Although that was a bat that got into the attic not one flying around outside the story is there because it can and does happen.

    3. Re:Speaking of myths... by onepoint · · Score: 1

      While I am not sure where you are they are getting the data, I do know
      ( from asking my old town of Fort Lee NJ to build 10 or 20 bat homes)
      they can eat UPTO 1 ounce of mosquitos per night.

      Ever want get laughed out of town hall, come up with an idea that helps
      human kind. I always felt that if I succeeded the spread would have
      slowed down ( I don't know how to kill mosquitoes in daylight hours )
      but maybe someone would have figured out something

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    4. Re:Speaking of myths... by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Bats "don't really swoop down on your head and get tangled in your hair."

      Bats are great fliers, and they seem to love getting really close to your head. Living in an area where bats would come out on summer night to catch flying bugs... they love to get real close to people and objects. I don't see any reason why they would not sometimes crash into swinging hair. It seems more like a statistical thing... "bats USUALLY don't get tangled in hair".

      Also, if there were bugs in your hair, then I suspect the bats would go there to get them.

  4. So what's the problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Relocate the Senate to New York...

  5. Sounds good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worst case scenario if the bats get out of control we just release birds of prey to devour them.

  6. last link is crap by frovingslosh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The last link is crap, once again making me wonder what EditorDavid does at Slashdot, as it sure isn't editing.

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    1. Re:last link is crap by mfh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I blame CmdrTaco for going AWOL.

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    2. Re:last link is crap by bheerssen · · Score: 2

      It's nice to see that blaming CmdrTaco is still a thing.

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      (Score: -1, Stupid)
    3. Re:last link is crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy New York Batman! We got a 56 here. You sir, must be very old.

  7. bats at night by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    robins during the day....

  8. The wildfire you don't see... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I live in Silicon Valley. Most people say you have to go to San Francisco to see an interesting night life. Not true. We got bats, possums and skunks that come out to play at night. Nothing like leaving work and finding a family of skunks crossing your path.

  9. They already are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Any rodent population can get rabies and they often transmit them to your animals (cats/dogs) This is why rabies vaccines are so common for pets. And that in turn reduces the risk of people needing the vaccine unless they've been bitten by an animal that might have had rabies if the animal isn't captured and the rabies confirmed/denied.

    Surprised more people don't know about that.

  10. Do bats really control mosquitoes? by pem · · Score: 4, Interesting
    According to mosquito.org:

    Recently the public has shown increased interest in the value of insectivorous species of bats in controlling mosquitoes. Although untested lately, this is not a new idea. During the 1920's several bat towers were constructed near San Antonio, Texas, in order to help control malarial mosquitoes. Mosquito populations were not affected and the project was discontinued. Bats in temperate areas of the world are almost exclusively insectivorous. Food items identified in their diet are primarily beetles, wasps, and moths. Mosquitoes have comprised less than 1% of gut contents of wild caught bats in all studies to date. Bats tend to be opportunistic feeders. They do not appear to specialize on particular types of insects, but will feed on whatever food source presents itself. Large, concentrated populations of mosquitoes could provide adequate nutrition in the absence of alternative food. However, a moth provides much more nutritional value per capture than a mosquito.

    They talk about other opinions, but most of those seem to be either anecdotal or from data taken in laboratories.

    I also read that, not only do bats (and purple martins) not eat that many mosquitoes, they also eat other insects that would themselves eat mosquitoes, such as dragonflies.

    1. Re:Do bats really control mosquitoes? by hankwang · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "not only do bats (and purple martins) not eat that many mosquitoes, they also eat other insects that would themselves eat mosquitoes, such as dragonflies."

      Dragonflies hunt by sight, during daytime. Bats and mosquitoes are active at dusk and night, so this doesn't sound very likely as far as bats are concerned.

    2. Re:Do bats really control mosquitoes? by pem · · Score: 1
      You're probably right about the bats not getting too many dragonflies.

      I think the article I read was conflating bats and purple martins as "stupid things people do thinking they will reduce mosquitoes."

      In any case, I have found a source that claims that dragonflies do eat mosquitoes (adult dragonflies eat adult mosquitoes and larval dragonflies eat larval mosquitoes). I can easily believe this -- at least around here, they are both active in the dusk and morning.

      Also a source that claims that purple martins eat dragonflies, but very few, if any mosquitoes.

      So the bats don't eat mosquitoes, but do carry rabies, and the purple martins don't eat mosquitoes, but do eat mosquito predators.

    3. Re:Do bats really control mosquitoes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can tell you for sure, that dragonflies DO eat mosquitoes. And, while this video isn't about them doing that, it IS about them eating 'no-see-ums', which are also another horrid plague on mankind. As bloodsuckers, no-see-ums have all the threats of mosquitoes, with the added horror of being unable to easily mash them with your hands.

      Anyhow, in the spring here, no-see-ums are insane. Go outside, and hundreds if not THOUSANDS descend upon you. But, if you come out at the right time of day, new-born dragon flies quickly (by also sensing your CO2, and knowing that you'll attract no-see-ums and mosquitoes) appear and DESTROY THE BASTARDS.

      In this video, there is a MASSIVE cloud of no-see-ums around me. And the dragon flies are flying all around my head/body, darting in and out, eating them. There are literally perhaps 100+ dragonflies, hell I'd say even more, flying all around/above me.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAt1YacBVDI

  11. What about rabies? by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Bats are one of the more common vectors for rabies transmission. Would that be a concern for this species as well?

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    1. Re:What about rabies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the rabid, blood-sucking types tend to gravitate around Wall St.

    2. Re:What about rabies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rabies shows are very profitable for the medical cartel. That is why, for example, the local hospital fought so hard to disband the city's animal control.

    3. Re:What about rabies? by legRoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      According to the National Geographic link at the end of the summary, only 5% of bats are infected. So there's really nothing to worry about: in a typical large colony with many thousands of individuals, only thousands of them carry rabies. /s

      Seriously though - I am not anti-bat, or anti-wildlife in general, but it's pretty obvious that some of the more rabid Greens are willing to say whatever it takes to portray all wild animals as good neighbours, no matter how dangerous their deception is to fellow humans. (Another disturbing example of this being the way that many people insist that large predators - lions, bears, wolves, etc. - never attack humans, except by accident, or in defence of their young - despite thousands of years of evidence to the contrary.)

      There are often (although certainly not always) good reasons that our ancestors wiped out the local populations of various pests and predators. A rational society should thoughtfully weigh the pros and cons of reintroducing them into populated areas, rather than committing the game management equivalent of alternative medicine's "natural = good" fallacy.

    4. Re:What about rabies? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Good luck at convincing all the dog owners around the place that their pets should die too :)
      Seriously kids, the chances of coming in contact with a rabid bat are vanishingly small even compared with the very low risk of coming in contact with a rabid dog or rattlesnake.

    5. Re:What about rabies? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Domestic cats are the main vector for toxoplasmosis, a fairly nasty disease itsself. Cats have the 'cute immunity' factor: People really love cute fluffy cats, and they aren't going to let a little thing like a disease that can potentially cause blindness and death get in the way of that.

      There was a great outcry here in the UK over proposals to cull introduced hedgehogs from the Hebrides, as they were breeding in great numbers by eating the eggs of endangered birds. So great was the outcry about killing 'cute' animals that the government was forced to abandon the cull and instead launch a humane relocation program, which was a dismal failure, because it's very hard to search an entire island for brown animals that spend most of their time hiding in brown bushes and only move during the night.

      People are stupid. There's a reason the WWF uses a panda as their mascot: Cute animals raise a lot more money and awareness than ugly ones.

    6. Re:What about rabies? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Check out thwarted efforts to cull feral horses for another good example of the "cuddly" factor at work even in places where animal welfare groups are very happy with the idea of wiping out the feral animals.

    7. Re:What about rabies? by legRoom · · Score: 1

      It's a matter of numbers. If 5% of pet dogs went rabid, owning dogs would be outlawed.

      There are two reason that rabies isn't a big problem with dogs (in the developed world, at least):

      1) Any dog that is discovered to be infected is generally killed immediately, before it can spread the disease further.
      2) Vaccinations are mandatory and reasonably effective.

      Good luck at convincing all the dog owners around the place that their pets should die too :)

      Good luck vaccinating hundreds of thousands of wild bats.

    8. Re:What about rabies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason for the commonality of bats as a rabies vector is more to do with the fact that a healthy bat is difficult to capture/handle. So the majority of bats that are able to be touched by a human are the sick ones.

    9. Re:What about rabies? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Hmm, this reminds me of when I was a small child living in a somewhat rural area, and I found a bat on a tree in my yard and picked him up. He didn't offer any resistance at all.

      I never came down with rabies, so I guess he wasn't infected... I sure didn't know anything about bats or rabies back then.

    10. Re:What about rabies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cats are an uncommon vector for toxoplasmosis. Most often it is transmitted by infected animal meat and sometimes vegetables.

  12. Bat-man by stooo · · Score: 1

    Yeaaah. Batman will save you all. From mosquitos.

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  13. Try that again... by evilviper · · Score: 0

    "Bats really have been very maligned," says Bosworth -- noting they don't really swoop down on your head "> and get tangled in your hair.

    That's some mighty fine editing work there, /.

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  14. Bye bye insects, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... hello guano.

  15. Come To Lompoc! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No Mosquito in Lompoc California because we love the bats.

    And for the record ALL cases of Rabies here are from Raccoons not bats.

  16. PSA: if you wake up with a bat in your room... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go get a rabies check. For reals, no jokes. The risk is non-trivial.

    End of PSA

  17. Great by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    We are so scared of Zika, that we are willing to get rabies over it. Have you heard how rabies kills? Do you know what rabies is like?

    How about controlling there Aedes Aegypti mosquito instead? How about spending some money on making a vaccine? How about increasing NIH funding to the level at which they can fund some research?

    1. Re:Great by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Americans don't want to spend any money on developing vaccines. Remember, we all think vaccines are a big conspiracy by the Pharma companies and that they cause autism. Or we just don't believe in the government funding research, unless it's for the military.

  18. Re:Bats are not RODENTS by retroworks · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Chiroptera family. Surprised more people don't know about that.

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  19. Bats aren't good at Echo locating on thin lines by burtosis · · Score: 2

    I've been out fishing many times at night where they bump and hit my line. Dosent seem to matter if it's monofilament or stranded or the test weight. I've never had one get in my hair but have been suprised how easy it was to net them when some got in my house. I was able to release both and they seemed unharmed.

    1. Re:Bats aren't good at Echo locating on thin lines by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I've been out fishing many times at night where they bump and hit my line

      What if, instead of this being by accident, they actually "saw" the line as an insect? That would make their echolocation really accurate then.

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  20. 1000 mozzies per hour? by martinX · · Score: 1

    I lived in a part of the world that was essentially reclaimed swampland and there were mangrove islands not too far away with swamps, sorry, I mean "pristine wetland environments". Every summer, the mozzie population would boom. Occasionally the council would fog the place with something that smelled like passionfruit. It wiped out all the mozzies for miles around. Wiped out everything else insectoid, too. Piles of dead recently-flying things could be seen under the streetlights.

    Bats can eat 100 mozzies per hour? Pfft. People are so much better at this game.

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  21. Only incident of "bat tangled in hair" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only incident of "bat tangled in hair" was my sisters.

    At the time she had long flowing hair - and a bat had gotten into her room.

    She saw it... and ducked - which flipped her long hair over her head.

    And that just happened to be in the line of flight of the bat.

    The bat got out almost immediately (as soon as the hair stopped flying around).

  22. Screw bat, use dragonflies by Jzanu · · Score: 2

    They'll eat the larvae

  23. Yes but will they respond to the Bat-Signal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If not, I vote to bring back DDT for a year.

  24. Capturing a bat... by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 1

    A bat once got loose in the computer science lounge at my undergrad, and flew around in big circles for an hour as the staff and faculty hid in their offices. I ignored it and went about my day, so after a while one of the professors recruited me to help capture it. Because random undergrads and computer science professors are totally who you want in charge of capturing bats.

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  25. Not a problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just mandate that all bats must report for a rabies vaccination before their first hunting day.

  26. Good luck with that by Smiddi · · Score: 2

    This happened here in Australia, now we have a huge bat (and bat guano) problem. The bats a bigger problem than the insects ever were.

    1. Re:Good luck with that by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      This happened here in Australia, now we have a huge bat (and bat guano) problem. The bats a bigger problem than the insects ever were.

      "The placental mammals made their reappearance in Australia in the Pleistocene, as Australia continued to move closer to Indonesia, both bats and rodents appearing reliably in the fossil record." - wiki

      Damned Pleistocenians.

      But I pedantisize. I read about Bateman's Bay. What a mess.

      Truthfully, NY does need to take care as it can get out of control. But humans are getting better at that and I've read stories of farmers working with different species to control or solve various problems, etc. Still, as you say, good luck with that.

      In SoCal, coyotes are showing up in urban areas, and cougars (mountain lions) in rural. The population is grumbling about lost pets, and the occasional attack on a human (a kid or two by a coyote, or an adult being killed...cougars are bad-assed), and the grumbling is getting louder.

      Due to drought and encroachment, and logistics, of course, these critters can't be picked up and moved. In the past, humans had a solution for predators, as many extinctions attest to. It will be interesting to see how this problem will be handled in the "California" way.

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  27. Long overdue secondary benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    80 years ago bats were common in New York. back then, if you (or your loved ones) were victims of crime, you could rely on a bat to inspire you to go out and fix things. But as bats declined, so did the quality of crime fighter. Today you can't turn on the TV without seeing crime and injustice everywhere. Hopefully as bats become more common more children can grow up seeing bats at their window in their formative years and the world will be a safer place.

    I realize there are alternative ways to control insects. Spiders for example, but studies have shown that these tend to inspire neurotic crime fighters with a tendency to lose as often as they win,

    As for the default solution, to manufacture more chemicals, this has the undesirable side effects: viz, the presence of large vats of chemicals that people tend to fall into or have splashed on their faces. Studies have shown that chemical vats tend to create more criminals than crime fighters so should be discouraged. Other proposes solutions to the insect problem (shrinking scientists to insect size, surrounding the city with extremely high voltage electrocution devices, etc) have similarly mixed results. But bats are the way to go.

    Finally, bats have the further advantage of inspiring the creation of underground homes and penthouse suites, thus relieving New York's chronic housing shortage. They also tend to correlate with a boom in construction, the more advanced sciences, and many other economic advantages. An increase in New York's bat population is long overdue.

  28. Typical stupid people who don't know jack... by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

    "The Asian tiger mosquito particularly bites in forests during the day and has been known as the forest day mosquito for this very reason. Depending upon region and biotype, there are differing active peaks, but for the most part they rest during the morning and night hours."

    So guess how effective nocturnal feeding bats would be in controlling the Asian tiger mosquito?

  29. And then in the real world... by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    from mosquito.org Do bats serve as an effective mosquito control? Recently the public has shown increased interest in the value of insectivorous species of bats in controlling mosquitoes. Although untested lately, this is not a new idea. During the 1920's several bat towers were constructed near San Antonio, Texas, in order to help control malarial mosquitoes. Mosquito populations were not affected and the project was discontinued. Bats in temperate areas of the world are almost exclusively insectivorous. Food items identified in their diet are primarily beetles, wasps, and moths. Mosquitoes have comprised less than 1% of gut contents of wild caught bats in all studies to date. Bats tend to be opportunistic feeders. They do not appear to specialize on particular types of insects, but will feed on whatever food source presents itself. Large, concentrated populations of mosquitoes could provide adequate nutrition in the absence of alternative food. However, a moth provides much more nutritional value per capture than a mosquito. M.D. Tuttle, a world authority on bats, is often quoted for his anecdotal report that bats effectively controlled mosquito populations at a popular resort in New York State. While there is no doubt that bats have probably played a visible, if not prominent, role in reducing the mosquito problems in many areas, the natural abatement of mosquito populations is an extremely complex process to study, comprising poorly known ecological relationships. Tuttle attempts to underscore the bats role by citing an experiment in which bats released into a laboratory room filled with mosquitoes caught up to 10 mosquitoes per minute. He extrapolated this value to 600 mosquitoes per hour. Thus, a colony of 500 bats could consume over a quarter of a million mosquitoes per hour. Impressive numbers indeed, but singularly unrealistic when based upon a study where bats were confined in a room with mosquitoes as their only food source. There is no question that bats eat mosquitoes, but to utilize them as the sole measure of control would be folly indeed, particularly considering the capacity of both mosquitoes and bats to transmit diseases.

  30. Reminders!!! by Endorfinized · · Score: 1

    This type of talk is very similar to the geniuses that thought cane toads introduction to Australia would rid the country of cane beetles. But we all know what happened there.

    1. Re:Reminders!!! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Fallacy: false equivalence.

      AFAICT, no one is advocating introducing non-native species of bats anywhere. They're advocating measures to increase the native local bat populations, since humans have been effective in greatly reducing them through their actions.

      Yes, introducing non-native species is frequently problematic and historically has been disastrous in many places. The pro-bat people just want to undo the effect that humans have had on bats in their native habitats, in the hope that it'll reduce the populations of various annoying insects. It may or may not work as hoped, but it's nothing like introducing non-native species.

  31. Yes, they do get tangled in your hair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a teenager at the start of a tour of a cave the guide reiterated some bat myths because the cave had many bats. He said, no, they do not get tangled in your hair. While our large group was making its way down a very long flight of stairs at the beginning of a cave I watched as a bat flew low the heads of the people in the group and right into the hair of a woman with a rather large hairdo with the resulting expected screams and arm waving. So, yes, it happens...

  32. Swapping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the bats make very welcome neighbors ...

    All one is doing, is swapping one disease-carrying pest for another. Does this program include some sort of rabies vaccination? In Germany, they air-drop bait containing the oral vaccine into the forest, for wild animals to eat.

  33. Bats can give you Rabies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rabies is perhaps the most well known disease associated with bats. Along with animals such as dogs, foxes, raccoons, and skunks, bats are one of the primary animals that transmit rabies.

  34. Summed up in poetry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bat
    by Ogden Nash

    Myself, I rather like the bat,
    It's not a mouse, it's not a rat.
    It has no feathers, yet has wings,
    It's quite inaudible when it sings.
    It zigzags through the evening air
    And never lands on ladies' hair,
    A fact of which men spend their lives
    Attempting to convince their wives.

  35. Illiterate Americans, as usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "less-than-desirable reputation".

    I think you mean "reputation of being less than desirable".

  36. Old woman by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    There was an old woman, who swallowed a fly.

  37. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. by Spock9999 · · Score: 1

    Like the title says.

  38. please no.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's already enough zubat's around

  39. I For One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome our insect devouring, bat-resembling Overlor...

    Wait, what?