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Google's New Emoji Aimed At Promoting Gender Equality Are Coming (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Based largely on a proposal from Unicode Consortium member Google, Unicode Consortium has announced plans to support new emoji aimed at promoting gender equality. There will be "11 new 'professional' emoji [that] will depict both men and women performing different jobs, and there will be both male and female versions of 33 existing emoji that currently depict either a man or a women but not both," writes Ars Technica. "The new professions include, in the Unicode Consortium's words: a farmer, welder, mechanic, health worker, scientist, coder, business worker, chef, student, teacher, and rockstar." What's unusual about the new emoji is that they're created using combinations of existing emoji to avoid waiting for Unicode version 10.0 to be finalized in June of 2017. By using a special "zero-width joiner" (ZWJ) character between two or more emoji, operating systems that support it know to put out a different composite emoji rather than a series of separate emoji. "The new emoji for professions start with either a man or woman emoji, then a ZWJ character, then another character related to the job," reports Ars. "Emoji that were previously one specific gender (the dancing woman or the man running) can be joined to a male or female symbol with a ZWJ character to create emoji of either gender. And all of these emoji can be combined with the existing skin tone modifiers to produce diverse versions of either gender." We may see these combined emoji before the end of the year as software companies begin to integrate them into their operating systems.
that should fix all the gender issues.
I was hoping for rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, doctor, lawyer, Indian chief.
#DeleteChrome
I'm glad to see that google is taking impressive steps at forwarding humanity!
Stop releasing fucking emojis for either sex. And Unicode Consortium, stop thinking it's your job to assign characters to arbitrary and ephemeral emojis because it isn't.
Google is a fucking search company.
Emoji's are emoticons and existed in complete form in icq 20 years ago.
And I'm all for gender equality, but this shit is seriously turning to some Jim Jones level shit and people need to get some fucking perspective. Go volunteer at a homeless shelter, christ.
If we aren't truly inclusive, someone might feel left out. We need emojis of Caitlyn Jenner as a doctor or lawyer to help out.
(In these demands/discussions of diversity, no one ever brings up really small groups like Eskimos/Inuits. They get the shaft.)
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That's SJWs pissing themselves with glee. They aren't very bright, they think this means something.
I imagine that some SJW's won't be so happy with Google limiting the gender count to only two.
More seriously, though, I'm torn on whether I support this or not (like my opinion on the subject matters, haha). If they're going to turn Unicode into AOL Instant Messaging or w/e, I guess they may as well strive to be politically correct about it?
Meh.
Thousands of years from now, when archaeologists are digging up our remains and examining the bone-structure, they are going to identify the remains as male or female by the subtle differences unique to each and identify the person as 'male' or 'female' based on their physiology.
Gender is not a social construct. Mental illness on the other hand is.
http://anthropology.si.edu/wri...
http://forensicoutreach.com/li...
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
That is great satire. The retarded perpetually offended class will always find something to be offended about. Love the stupid I sound smart language that those idiots always use "patriarchal normative modus ponens"
Oh, wait, "Mother" has already been replaced with "Parent 1"... Is there an emoji for that — and is it different from the symbol for "Parent 2"?
Here is the symbol for "family" — and, for one, am triggered by their definition:
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That's Mohammed.
((:-)-8
That's the 'dude with boobs' version of Mohammed.
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Because women have long hair (and ponytails) and men have short hair... at least according to the differences I saw between them (except for the swimming one).
At least Mozilla's shows up as a couple of histapnic and irish descent, but that does imply they are both Cathoilc and therefor share the same religion. *TRIGGERED*
Now you have another reason not to use unicode here, as if there aren't enough already.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Where is gender equality pregnant male emoji?
I demand my own personal emojis. I'm triggered by emojis that differ from me by gender, race, eye colour and baldness pattern.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Deciding whether blue or pink is manly is a social construct.
Seriously, did the static integrity of bags of rice in China improve so much that this is now a story?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Sure bicycles are an okay hobby and have an emoji, sure taking a dump has a turd emoji dedicated to it, but going to the range is a hobby that gets Tim Cook's panties in a twist.
Microsoft is just as bad, but everyone considers them evil anyways.
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When was the last time the Unicode Consortium did anything useful? It seems they only care about ridiculous emojis
As a female with short hair, I am gravely insulted that all the female emojis have long hair. It is very oppressing that these images depict long hair as a female trait and that I must fight against society to keep my hair short. Being bombarded by long and straight haired images of women as the ideal female shape destroys my self esteem and my will to live. Why must the world be against me?
It must be great to have nothing better to do than make up emojis for a living.
Earth is a single point of failure.
Sure pokemon GO.
You are conflating the concepts of sex and gender. Bone structure can only tell you what sex somebody is.
The only real way to solve this is to either hard fork unicode based off either filtered specifications minus emoji, or start over with a new characterset and deal once again with type conversion and assumptions in code. Neither is a good option, but with the increasing bloat and visual confusion thanks to emojis, it may soon be worth doing.
Option 3, best option: ASCII for life.
Red is manly, all other colors suck.
You are conflating the concepts of sex and gender. Bone structure can only tell you what sex somebody is.
We've always been at war with East Asia...
If you have a working brain, you can express yourself with words. If you can't, you're a moron. To hell with emoji.
Circumcision is child abuse.
It's going to get out of hand to declare the emoji pretty soon by using the ZWJ. We're going to have ...
base emoji + gender + skin tone + hair length eye colour +
People are going to spend longer defining a single emoji than it would have taken them to write what they wanted to say in the first place.
Of course the opposite direction and trying to include a distinct emoji for every case will be just as crazy.
WTF-32
These fucking things called "emojis" are images and should be treated as such.
They have no business being added to Unicode.
And I can not believe that there is actually a "Unicode Emoji Subcommittee".
For crying out loud. What's this world coming to?!?!?!
Definition of Unicode:
Unicode is a computing industry standard for the consistent encoding, representation, and handling of text expressed in most of the world's writing systems.
Do you even remember what Text is? Can you even Write anymore?
Not only does this exclude those who self-identify as gender neutral or fluid (among many other identities), it just assumes that longer hair is enough to signify womynhood, which is a clear nod to the patriarchy!
In all seriousness, though, this is a private company adding to their services. If it really bugs you that much, don't use Google's services (there are alternatives).
"Is not a sentence" is not a sentence. Well damn.
Male and female yes, but those are not genders. They are sexes.
The very point of the modern construct of 'gender' was to isolate that which is social construct (masculine/feminine) from physiological sex (male/female). This really is not a difficult concept to grasp. Why is this such a challenge for you? [Rhetorical question: I realise you are not too stupid to understand the distinction, you are motivated to misunderstand].
Gender is not a social construct.
Doublethink! Gender, at least in the usage you to which are objecting (not grammatical gender etc), is a social construct by definition . Of course you might object to the usefulness of the concept, or its impact on the object of study (i.e. society), perhaps even its theoretical coherence, but just stamping your feet and insisting "black is white" is simply unintelligent.
It is noteworthy that the first link you supply does not make the error of your second link of conflating 'gender' with 'sex.' The anthropologists understand they are determining sex (which is, of course, highly correlated with gender, particularly in traditional societies*, but thankfully** also in ours). The ignorant error in the second link, if it is not ideologically motivated ignorance (but merely sloppy English), is probably due to a lack of relevant education: that anthropologists would not make this error, but forensic scientists might is telling.
While social constructs such as gender are not directly to be determined by looking at bones --one cannot examine the pelvis of a body from the 1950s and tell that being a nurse was considered a normal form of employment for women but not men --if you have a knowledge of 1950s society, in addition to the bones, you might reasonably infer questions of gender. Eg. you may be able to exclude the probability that the male (and presumably also masculine) skeleton you are examining was not a nurse by occupation ... or that he ordinary wore a dress ... or all those other facts of gender which are not determined (outside of culture) by physiological sex.
[*But not all traditional societies, note the Polynesian and Indian traditions of tripartite genders.]
[**If tranny sex is your thing you may not be as thankful as I am.]
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
In all seriousness, while Unicode is intended to be universal, I don't think that bullshit emojis have a place in it. We have markup in addition to characters, not to mention SVG and other formats which can better represent them. They don't have to be in the Unicode standard.
Future archaeologists aren't going to be able to tell who was a geek or a goth or a hippy from looking at our bones, because those categories are social constructs.
Gender is a social construct like that. Gender is not sex. Sex is biological. You can tell sex (to some degree) from bones. You cannot tell gender from bones, any more than you can tell social cliques from bones, because those things are entirely made-up social constructs.
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Clearly the genders aren't equally represented in the workforce because there were no matching emojis until now.
Mum I want to be a welder girl, but I can't because there is no emoji for it.
Or
Mum I want to be a male nurse but I can't because there is no emoji for it.
I mean people used to make up emojis and now we have committees to from standards and graphic artists designing them and people debating them. Take the time and money and do something that matters even a little. I am still waiting for the one eyed bisexual Episcopalian Kangaroo emoji.
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I judge people on their merits and not their gender, race or sexuality.
No, you don't. You've just never had to confront your bias directly before.
But, with the advent of SJWs, I feel a great resentment towards almost anything they say.
See, if you were actually this mythical perfect egalitarian, like you believed yourself to be, you wouldn't even notice those horrible SJW's save to say "huh, I didn't know that was still an issue" before moving on.
The truth is that you've carried countless conscious and unconscious biases with you for your entire life. You've just been protected from confronting those biases by a society willing to reinforce them.
Really, all this SJW stuff does is alienate the majority of society who are effectively neutral and maybe even mildly supportive to begin with.
So you believe that the status-quo should be preserved? Marginalized groups should stay on the outskirts of sciety, hidden away, to protect your precious social norms, and the privilege that grants you? You don't believe we should work towards a more egalitarian society?
I judge people on their merits and not their gender, race or sexuality.
Liar.
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As exemplified by you.
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~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
False.
http://www.etymonline.com/inde...
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
It's not about Japanese programmers currently being involved in Unicode, it's that Unicode has to support everything that the programmers of some old Japanese text encodings decided to support, which is where the original emoji come from. And then if it has to support some emoji at all, it may as well do it right.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
I knew that you'd have no objections to the fact that bone-based gender determination is often faulty.
Gender determination is so reliable that it's entered as legal forensic evidence in a court of law.
Nice try but there are so many differences between a man and a woman's skeletal structures that your entire remains don't need to be found to determine whether or not you are male or female.
Learn to logic and do some real research.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Now you've done it. One that looks like a Ford, one that looks like a Chevy and one that looks like a Chystler tranny? What about the asian tranny's.
No, it's not. Male and female skeletons form partially overlapping continua, so there are plenty of ambiguous cases. Especially when chromosomic gender (i.e. XY vs XX) is different from hormonal gender (i.e. what the body actually LOOKS like). That caused quite a few problems in sport, when it turned out that some "females" actually expressed male hormones ( http://www.bbc.com/sport/athle... ) and as a result had significantly different body structure.
And never mind that there are people with hermaphroditism, XX-males, women with male genitalia and so on.
So yeah, let me repeat for you: "You are mentally ill if you think that you can pigeonhole everybody into a nice two-valued selection box".
Several Millennia of the 'binary' gender/sex of Male / Female physiology is not whimsy to the deliberate cognitive dissonance of a microscopic representation of humanities edge cases as measured along the same time frame.
You can deny the reality all you want. Nobody can wish away the gender they were born with. You may be able to find pools of individuals to participate in an echo chamber where you can imagine your reality is real but as sure as the Sun rises and the river flows if you desire to continue your genetic imprint on this Earth you will need to choose. Just as a hint, there's no surgery that will enable you to produce sperm if you're a woman, and no surgery to enable you to bear a child to term is you're a man. *NONE* And even you know why.
I hate to be so blunt about the truth but this is really getting ridiculous. Gender fluidity is magical thinking at it's most noxious.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
False.
http://www.etymonline.com/inde...
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Several Millennia of the 'binary' gender/sex of Male / Female physiology is not whimsy to the deliberate cognitive dissonance of a microscopic representation of humanities edge cases as measured along the same time frame.
Several millennia are also whimsy to democracy, rule of law, vaccination, MRI, X-Rays, internal surgery and computers. And I've noticed that you're not even defending your position that there are only two "genders" anymore.
Now you've moved goalpoasts now.
Just as a hint, there's no surgery that will enable you to produce sperm if you're a woman, and no surgery to enable you to bear a child to term is you're a man. *NONE* And even you know why.
The key word here is "yet". There are attempts at uterus transplants already and there are *NO* reasons why sufficiently advanced surgery won't be able to get trans-females to bear children. It'll take some time, though.
Oh, and not every woman can bear children and not every man can produce sperm. So do we have four genders now?
The key word here is "yet". There are attempts at uterus transplants already and there are *NO* reasons why sufficiently advanced surgery won't be able to get trans-females to bear children. It'll take some time, though.
Oh, and not every woman can bear children and not every man can produce sperm. So do we have four genders now?
What you're failing to grasp is X Y.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Just use fucking smileys. A head. Yellow, like no person looks like. Looking nice, clean and clear to understand.
But no. The smileys got debile like the "tears of joy" face, a parody of what they should tell. And the rest needed to get features like hair, which is associated with gender (do you see, how there is no equality, if you claim you need some smiley with pink shirt and long hair to identify it as female?).
I am not afraid of LGBT, I am afraid of the collateral damage caused by the more overzealous of the group.
If you really want real change that will stick then people *must* discuss it openly and without fear of reprisal. If just debating the topic gets someone in trouble you will be ( and are ) seen as a threat to be eliminated or controlled rather than someone that want's to be open about the dual nature of their gender.
tl;dr
If you don't want people to be afraid of you don't be a threat to their freedom or lively-hood. You will become the enemy like the lesbians that targeted that cake shop.
Hard fact.
Google this:
cake shop closed because of lesbians
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Not because of inequality, but because of lesbians/LGBT. My opinion on how this went down is that the lesbians targeted the bakery as part of the 'war on inequality'. I could be wrong but in this world 'perception is reality'. I don't care who you want to bugger or how you do it. I really don't. I care more about the threat the LGBT community represents to civilized society, my children and own freedoms.
Think about your actions. You are responsible for how people look at your cause.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.