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Facebook Makes Little Progress in Race and Gender Diversity (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader shares a Reuters report: Facebook has said about one-third of its workers are female, while black employees accounted for 3% of its US senior leadership, both numbers only slightly higher than a year earlier. The data released by the world's largest social network on Thursday reflects the scant progress made by Silicon Valley heavyweights in making their workplaces more diverse in the face of criticism for having mostly white, male workers. Last month, Alphabet's Google released data on diversity, saying it had more black, Latino and female employees but still lagged its goal of mirroring the population. Women represented 33% of Facebook's global workforce, according to data from 30 June, compared with 32% a year earlier. Women held 27% of senior leadership roles, up from last year's 23%.

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  1. And? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you set a goal you can't achieve why are you surprised? Facts matter, people should really go back to using them.

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    1. Re:And? by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You just don't understand. " ....while black employees accounted for 3% of its US senior leadership,... Clearly this isn't PC. So more blacks must be hired and put into these positions, even if we are not capable of doing the work. Sheesh, next thing you're likely to criticize the quota system that pushed through colleges and universities the many black students who displaced more qualified white students and call it racist, even though some of those receiving degrees are still not capable of doing the work. White people must stop using the ability to actually do the work as a racist way to keep the black man down, it should be enough that we were pushed through the system and given a token diploma.

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    2. Re:And? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you set a goal you can't achieve why are you surprised? Facts matter, people should really go back to using them.

      Political correctness cares not for facts nor reality. Never has, never will.

    3. Re:And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      If you bothered to look at what they are actually doing it's clear that the seemingly slow rate of change is due to them not lowering standards or introducing quotas, but simply relying on encouraging more good candidates from minorities to apply in the first place. That's done through a combination of assistance with mentoring/training, better networking and removing some of the barriers that other people don't face.

      So rather than your insane bullshit, they are taking a practical steps that are working. Yes, it takes a long time, but asshats expecting instant results are just trying to sabotage the process. Fuck off with your reverse-racism too.

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    4. Re:And? by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... bla, bla, bla .. qualified candidates ... bla, bla, bla ...

      I guess this is what they tell bleeding heart liberals who have no real world experience and have not seen the actual results of affirmative action. I've worked in a University where I actually saw a black graduate student who got their BS in Computer Science from a predominately black college and was admitted into the post grad CS school to fill a quota. This grad student couldn't even act as a teachers aid, and ended up taking freshman level CS courses and failing them. But they still had a BS in computer science and an employer who hired a while candidate over them could be called racist. Talking to the faculty I found this was not an isolated incident.

      For other examples of harm done by hiring that ignores real qualifications, see Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Loretta E. Lynch.

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    5. Re:And? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      So your argument is one anecdote and a list of people who seem to be successful in their fields but who you personally disagree with? That's a terrible argument. In fact, it's barely an argument, more like just simple racism.

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  2. Hire the best or not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares about race or gender? Hire the best. If only 3% are black, should they hire someone less qualified just to meet a quota? That's bullshit. Try being the best instead.

    1. Re:Hire the best or not? by nwaack · · Score: 2

      Who cares about race or gender? Hire the best. If only 3% are black, should they hire someone less qualified just to meet a quota? That's bullshit. Try being the best instead.

      Citizen, your comment has been reported to the PC Police by multiple social justice warriors. Please report to your nearest liberal arts college by 8am tomorrow for PC rehabilitation.

    2. Re:Hire the best or not? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      There aren't enough women to go around

      I imagine it must seem that way to you.

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    3. Re:Hire the best or not? by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's because the statistic is false. Women typically make 98 cents on the dollar vs males when you compare actual positions and monthly paychecks. The 70 cent study has thoroughly been debunked, they were taking the aggregate income across a lifetime for the entire population - and yes, in our population there are plenty of women who have 0 income, not any employer's fault for them not applying for jobs.

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    4. Re:Hire the best or not? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The best" is rarely fully quantifiable. For instance, in a purely arbitrary way, solving PC issues is one problem that one person can "be the best".

      But there's rarely a need to be "the best". It's a rare position where the top 5% aren't all capable of producing practically identical work output. In some jobs (e.g. burger flippers) that number is a lot higher.

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    5. Re:Hire the best or not? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The reason it is taking them so long is that they are maintaining hiring standards.

      As for hiring the best, most companies realize that "the best" isn't just the guy who studied really hard to pass interviews. In fact, looking at individuals in isolation is a bad idea, because most of the time people work in teams. You need to build a good team, and diversity actually helps that. Monoculture doesn't produce the best solutions.

      Having said that, they do find it hard to get qualified candidates of colour, and are taking steps to address them with training and education programmes.

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  3. Racism or availability? by grasshoppa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm of the mind that this is more reflective of the available talent pool rather than any inherent racism.

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    1. Re:Racism or availability? by BradMajors · · Score: 2

      The talent pool of black engineers is small in Silicon Valley because no one will hire them.

      http://www.ibtimes.com/why-mor...

    2. Re:Racism or availability? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

      T.J. Hicks: How did you find me?
      Deuce Bigalow: Well, this seemed like the only chicken and waffles place in all of Holland.
      T.J. Hicks: Ohhh, so the black guy has to go to a chicken and waffles place, that's Racist!
      Deuce Bigalow: But you're here.
      T.J. Hicks: Yeah, but figuring it out was racist.

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    3. Re:Racism or availability? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apparently the most talented programmers in the world are all H1-Bs from India. I've worked at two companies so far where everyone got laid off and replaced by them.

    4. Re:Racism or availability? by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

      That's not what your article suggests. Indeed, it doesn't seem to make any conclusions as to why black engineers don't end up in tech firms beyond a hand waving, "Something in the pipeline is broken".

      There is no indication that companies are activity discriminating or avoiding minority hires.

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    5. Re:Racism or availability? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, that happens. It is about cultural fit. I have friends who I see complain on facebook about being the only black or person of color. About being lonely, etc. because they are not directly fitting in or that the people at work are less chatty.

      Well, at least he doesn't have to be nervous on the elevators, nor worry about getting mugged there....and likely not many folks there playing the knock-out game either to worry about.

      I guess there are trade-offs for everything in life, eh?

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    6. Re:Racism or availability? by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even the most diverse Silicon Valley tech firms are at 2 percent or under in terms of blacks in technology jobs, yet across the U.S. blacks earned 4.4 percent of master’s degrees in engineering and 3.6 percent of its Ph.D.s in 2014

      You may find this hard to believe, but engineering degrees aren't all interchangeable, either in quality or in areas of expertise. Furthermore, many American born engineers don't want to move to Silicon Valley, and many engineers find it offensive when they are hired not for their skill and expertise, but to satisfy some diversity quota.

    7. Re:Racism or availability? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can't be one of the guys while simultaneously being a protected class that can start a witch hunt off of any stray comment or misinterpreted comment. Indeed, with the microagression BS even casual conversation can be a problem. It's completely unsurprising that given today's state of cultural McCarthyism people are profession but not personable. SJW - you created this problem but I doubt you can fix it.

  4. My new hope for humanity... by friesofdoom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... is these shitty tax evading behemoths running themselves into the ground trying to constrain equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity.

  5. Age discrimination by BradMajors · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While ignoring age discrimination. The chances of someone over 40 being hired by Facebook is zero.

    1. Re:Age discrimination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      While ignoring age discrimination. The chances of someone over 40 being hired by Facebook is zero.

      Except for Kent Beck, right? https://www.linkedin.com/in/ke... says he was hired in 2011, when he was 50, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      Oh, and me, I started last year ago and I'm 43. I have numerous colleagues that are 40 and over, many of them relatively new. But glad you got your facts straight!

  6. "Little Progress" by ichthus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They've made "little progress"? The word "progress" denotes an increase in a desirable attribute.

    Why would any employer want to do anything other than hire the best, most qualified employee for a given job? If that happens to be a black woman, great. If that happens to be a gay Indian man, hire him. But, if Facebook's job requirements are predominantly filled by white males, what is the problem?

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  7. What about Diversity of Opinion? by zapadnik · · Score: 2

    Ethnic and gender diversity are all good, but what about the diversity that actually matters, Diversity of Opinion ? A study recently showed that the Facebook news team are all extreme Collectivists, which mean Individualist/Libertarian points of view get squelched in the news feed.

  8. wrong premise by supernova87a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last month, Alphabet's Google released data on diversity, saying it had more black, Latino and female employees but still lagged its goal of mirroring the population.

    You will find on closer examination that, actually, many of these tech companies' hiring results actually do mirror the population. But the relevant population that you're talking about is those people who apply to places like Google, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. And that population is heavily underrepresented in female/black/hispanic people compared to the population at large. That is what many people seem to be willing to be blind to. If the source population from which you draw such workers is skewed, no amount of effort is going to enable you to hire 100 female/black/hispanic workers when there are only 30 to choose from. And yet people will still criticize you for it.

    These companies are not going to singlehandedly change the makeup of tech (or even just high paid) workers in the United States, no matter how much they try (or are put under political pressure to do so). And I think that it is rather disingenuous / politically correct of them to simply market that they will do it because it's fashionable to say they will. Addressing this problem is deeper and requires more of the desired target segments to go into these fields to be available to apply to the positions to start with. Which is a much more difficult challenge that most of the advocates for such policies actually don't even want to put in the effort to do themselves.

    I will openly say that I do not believe (as many people seem to reflexively parrot the phrase) that a company's workforce "needs to look like the general population". I find that a dubious proposition, usually supported by poor logic. If it happens that the general population has the propensity and skill to become tech workers in equal proportions across all demographics, then that could be true, but I doubt it. But at the same time, I support any effort to make sure that primary/secondary/higher education gives everyone access to succeed in these fields, if they want to.

    But I will not subscribe to the idea that we should skew the output of the process to some political goal, when the input of that process is what matters and determines it more than anything else. When you do that, all you get is symbolic, and often detrimental, results.

    1. Re:wrong premise by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      You should tell the democrats and republicans.

      They are both about to have conventions to do almost exactly that.

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  9. Mirroring the population by holophrastic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which population are we mirroring here? What percentage of the population is female? Every human being in the city -- I believe that 51% are female. How about the workforce population -- I'd bet that fewer than 50% of the workforce is female, probably closer to 30% actually. What about the population who work in office jobs amongst adults -- if we remove day-care, health care, teachers, children services, and government jobs, I'll bet it goes even lower.

  10. mirror the population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the goal is to mirror the population, they'll have to start hiring more stupid people with no incentive to work.

    Now THAT's a real challenge.

  11. This goal was easy by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All they need to do is look to their content creation base. 75% women. Pretty damn easy to take the top N% content creators, start paying them to create more content, double your workforce, and claim that you've reached 50% female on the diversity numbers.

    Bet the same is true for other minorities as well, at least as far as Facebook is concerned.

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  12. Re:Diversity in other labor markets? by BoberFett · · Score: 2

    No, just the cushy well-paying ones. Women and black people don't have any interest in ensuring shitty or dangerous jobs are equal.

  13. So sick of this Scheiße... by flajann4415 · · Score: 2
    I lived in the US for the past 50 years, then came to Germany. In the US, I found the whole "Affirmative Action" bit quite annoying. Even though my skin happens to be brown, I am fully capable of what I do and don't need any sort of "protection" being in a "protected class". How condescending.

    And there were a number of times in the US where I experienced what I can only call, "reverse-reverse discrimination". That is, those treating me differently for the sole reason they feared I might "play the race card", which I would never do in a million years. They would walk on egg shells around me, or distort the facts, etc.

    I even had to endure the humiliation of the government doing a "race audit" at one firm I was at. I was pulled aside and asked very awkward questions. I didn't know what was going on at the time and nearly walked that very day. I will NOT be hired because of my dermal chromatics. I will NOT be chosen because of my "race". I want to be considered SOLELY on my MERITS and past ACCOMPLISHMENTS. Period, end of sentence. If anyone is better than me for the job, by all means take him. As I would when I am looking to hire. I pay no attention to gender nor dermal chromatics nor any other bullshit. I look to see if the person can do the job and work well with the team. That's it. The rest walks. And I don't expect to be treated any differently.

    Affirmative Action, thank goodness, is NOT an issue in Deutschland. Here, they hire solely on merit. My fellow germans can be quite thorough in their background checks, too. They don't use some stupid service like many American firms do, and typically don't even check references, either. Nope. They check YOU out directly.

    I am proud of my GitHub account and my participation in Open Source. Anyone can go look at my code, download it, run it, and see what I'm capable of. And there is nothing stopping others from doing the same.

    The Internet does not care if you are pink, green, or blue. It does not care whether you are male, female, transgendered, or otherwise. It does not care if you look like a Hollywood star or something that came from the bottomless pit. You have the knowledge? You have the skills? You have the passion? Then Just Do It already and the world can see what you are.