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Netflix Stock Price Tanks As Customers Quit Over Higher Prices (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Netflix released its earnings report (PDF) for the second quarter today, where it reported $1.97 billion in revenue and net income of $41 million. The company did however report only 1.54 million subscribers, which is below its projections of 2.5 million new subscribers. As a result, stock is down around 14 percent in after-hours trading. "Our global member forecast for Q2 was 2.5m and we came in at 1.7m. Gross additions were on target, but churn ticked up slightly and unexpectedly, coincident with the press coverage in early April of our plan to ungrandfather longer tenured members and remained elevated through the quarter," Netflix wrote. "We think some members perceived the news as an impending new price increase rather than the completion of two years of grandfathering." The company defended its price hikes, writing that "while ungrandfathering and associated media coverage may moderate near term membership growth, we believe that ungrandfathering will provide us with more revenue to invest in our content to satisfy members, thus driving longterm growth." In the past, Netflix gained 13 million new subscribers in 2014, and 17 million in 2015. Comcast will reportedly allow Netflix onto its X1 platform, which may entice more customers to the streaming service.

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  1. The price hike is minimal... by myowntrueself · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real reason for people leaving Netflix is the blocking of VPNs and proxies and the dull nature of Netflix original content.

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    1. Re:The price hike is minimal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to mention the inconsistent availability of third party content. Movies and shows get pulled seemingly at random, which is especially annoying if you are mid-season.

      It used to be better than torrents, not so much anymore.

    2. Re:The price hike is minimal... by pr0t0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      and the dull nature of Netflix original content

      Different strokes. Personally, I'm loving their original content!

      House of Cards
      Orange is the New Black
      Daredevil
      Jessica Jones
      Sense8
      Marco Polo
      Love
      Peaky Blinders
      and now Stranger Things

      I've heard Bloodline is good, and Luke Cage is coming. Some of their comedy specials aren't too bad either. Ali Wong's "Baby Cobra"...I haven't laughed that hard in a while.

      For me, it's been a long time since I've been this happy with video content. I recently ditched cable and I'm not going back. Netflix is, at the very least, doing it as well as most anybody else is and without the support of commercial sponsors.

      How much time do you want to spend in front of a television anyway?

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    3. Re:The price hike is minimal... by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IKR one of the things I hate the most is when they have missing seasons like season 1 2 3 x x x 7 x 9

      Its almost as bad when they have a series with missing episodes. 1 2 3 4 5 6 x 8 9 10 11 x 13.

      And why didn't anyone think to deinterlace star trek? its not the only one but thats a lot of screwed up episodes.

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    4. Re:The price hike is minimal... by chriskenrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even more so in countries like Australia where our library is less than half the size of the US one. By blocking my access to other netflix regions, they're well on their way to losing another customer. I know it's the rights holders that are the issue, but the only language they understand is money.

    5. Re:The price hike is minimal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The most rational solution to this idiocy? Torrent that shit.

    6. Re:The price hike is minimal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Netflix would love to have more content, and especially better content. Its Hollyweed wanting to create an artificial scarcity of content to keep licensing fees far too high that is the problem... If Netflix could double the amount of QUALITY content that could be streamed from them, few would care if the price doubled! The reason for the content disappearing and missing seasons or episodes are licensing issues. Hollyweed is too greedy and thinks that their content is worth far more than it really is worth. Hollyweed and their crap licensing terms and high license fees are why we don't see more quality content on all video streaming services.

    7. Re:The price hike is minimal... by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah all those ones you mention, I find pretty dull. Especially Dare Devil and Jessica Jones, normally I love action hero stuff but those just bore the pants off me. I tried Stranger Things recently, couldn't get past the first 30 minutes.

      Maybe I'm just strange.

      Even if you don't like these programs, the positive reviews from both critics and viewers objectively show they are quality content. If you had originally said you stopped watching Netflix because of dull original content that is your opinion, but claiming people are leaving Netflix because of that is simply objectively wrong. I'm not saying no one leaves because of dull original content, but clearly that is not a major driving factor.

      I find it more likely that emails notifying users about the price hike reminded people they were paying for Netflix when they were never using it. I've worked at two subscription based companies which avoided reminding users of their service like the plague since it only incited some users to cancel (I don't condone the practice, and yes one of the companies is bankrupt now).

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    8. Re:The price hike is minimal... by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately I find David Tenant utterly detestable.

      If that is the case then you REALLY need to see Jessica Jones.

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    9. Re:The price hike is minimal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      you didn't lose 1080p, you never had it. MS Edge increased resolution to 1080p while other browsers haven't, that is a reason it isn't gonna fly? everyone was always at 720p in browsers, MS proposed a tech that they got content providers to accept which allowed them to go to 1080p, other browsers can do exactly the same, this is not a MS exclusive deal. The others I agree with, VPN blocking and limited content is shit.,

    10. Re:The price hike is minimal... by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Amazon is still a wannabe player in the market. It's big market segment is people already subscribed to Amazon prime, they're not getting a lot of new customers. Their selection is really terrible, and if there's something good then chances are you may have to pay extra for it above and beyond the subscription.

    11. Re: The price hike is minimal... by teg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hulu having that content is the reason why Netflix doesn't have it... It's exclusive. They were willing to pay more.

    12. Re:The price hike is minimal... by mrbester · · Score: 5, Informative

      Peaky Blinders is original content? Might want to tell the BBC. Exclusive, maybe (except it is on iPlayer)...

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    13. Re:The price hike is minimal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You have to pay extra for a lot of the stuff on Amazon. For example, they have Dexter, but it's £2.50 per episode (!) where as on Netflix you can stream every episode as part of the subscription price. On Amazon it's actually cheaper to buy the physical box set, rather than their DRM-crap-laden download.

      If you compare what Amazon has available for streaming their library is even worse than Netflix's.

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    14. Re: The price hike is minimal... by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Pause" is an even better time, though. And strangely, it's always exactly the correct amount of time, and happens exactly when you want it to.

      Ads are a surprisingly shitty time to do something else, because they don't happen on demand and don't happen for the correct duration. On top of that, they make annoying noise.

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  2. It's A Bargain by JimSadler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I pay $9.50 a month for Netflix and it is better than either HBO, Showtime or Starz. If they jumped up to $12. per month i would not blink an eye. Meanwhile my cable bill is $220. per month.

    1. Re:It's A Bargain by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Food and gas, and even postage, are pretty much necessities.

      A video feed is optional. If you must watch something on a screen (rather than, say, read a book), most public libraries these days have pretty good DVD collections.

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    2. Re:It's A Bargain by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When we cancelled our cable, they wanted to raise what I was paying from $87 (for cable TV + Internet) to $137. I would be getting nothing extra in return. No faster speeds. No additional channels or features. It was just a $50 price hike for the sake of hiking prices. When I asked about the $99 promotional prices they were advertising, I was told those were for new subscribers, not people who had been with them for about 15 years. When I questioned why the price was so high, I was told that it was actually a "$150 value" so I was really getting a "great deal."

      We canceled cable and now we're paying $35 for Internet plus $10 a month for Hulu. (We were already subscribed to Netflix and Amazon Prime pre-cord-cutting and would have kept those either way so those really didn't factor in.) After factoring in buying more DVDs and VOD content (from Amazon or Google), I figure that we were saving around $70 a month. After a year of cutting cable, our former cable company announced the usual round of large price hikes so we're saving even more now.

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    3. Re:It's A Bargain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You make it sound like everyone's a sport nut.

      And you'd be surprised how much news you can get from the internet.

    4. Re:It's A Bargain by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you now don't get any news or sports channels, how great.

      Not getting FOX, MSNBC, ESPN, etc is a feature.

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  3. 1.54M NEW customers. by Nutria · · Score: 4, Informative

    Pay attention to the summaries, you nitwit!

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    1. Re:1.54M NEW customers. by Nutria · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not at all what I'm referring to.

      BeauHD wrote, "The company did however report only 1.54 million subscribers", which means... the company had 1.54 million subscribers. Obvious, right? But that's not what the article said.

      This is nothing more than Yet Another Case of poor /. editorship.

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  4. I'm about ready to drop by darthsilun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not because of the price, but because of the lack of content.

    1. Re:I'm about ready to drop by Toonol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean they're tricking you into not cancelling by producing interesting shows? Those bastards.

  5. Re:real reasion by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    people left due to there shrinking library months of the same stuff may 1 or 2 new movies etc.

    This story is not about people leaving. It's about them not getting as many NEW customers as they thought.

    Of all the streaming services, Netflix has the highest member retention.

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  6. ungrandfathering? by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seem to remember being told at the time that as a current subscriber I would be able to keep my current rate for a rather long period of time...ah yes here it is 5/9/14 "Hi user,

    In order to continue adding more movies and TV shows, we are increasing our price from $7.99 to $8.99 for new members. As a thank you for being a member of Netflix already, we guarantee that your plan and price will not change for two years.

    You can review your membership details at any time by visiting Your Account. As always, if you have questions, we are happy to answer them. Please call us at any time at 1-888-357-1516.

    â"The Netflix Team"

    So a bunch of people just forgot they had a very generous 2 year warning of a price hike and were caught unawares? I wouldn't call it ungrandfathering as It was a time limited price guarantee.

    Ungrandfathering is when the city decides your house built in the 1850's is too close to the road and must be demolished in 2016 dispite being grandfathered in on the new rules in 1975.

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  7. Re:VPNs FTW? by GuB-42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Likely their crackdown on VPNs and foreign subscribers has also contributed somewhat to the churn.

    If they'd let paying customers, you know, be paying customers then maybe they'd be in a better position now.

    Probably not their decision. Netflix would love not to have any regional restrictions. Content owners and governments have other ideas.

  8. Sense8 by lucm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They do have great content, but for Sense8 I gave up after that scene where they zoom on a dirty dildo. I'm all for creative freedom and I appreciate that they depicted all kinds of lifestyles, but that scene was just a cheap attempt at creating some kind of buzz. I don't mind graphic scenes but I do mind feeling like my "queer sex tolerance threshold" is tested on purpose, I find that insulting and condescending.

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