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Google: Government Requests For User Data Hit All-Time High In Second Half Of 2015 (zdnet.com)

Stephanie Condon, writing for ZDNet: Government requests for user data from Google hit an all-time high in the second half of 2015, the internet company revealed on Monday. Through July to December 2015, governments from around the globe made 40,677 requests, impacting as many as 81,311 user accounts. That's an 18 percent spike from the first half of 2015, when government requests for data impacted 68,908 users. By far and away, the most requests came from the United States, which made 12,523 data requests for this reporting period. The requests impacted 27,157 users or accounts. Google reports the number of user data requests it has received every six-month period going as far back as the second half of 2009. It started detailing the number of users and/or accounts impacted in the first half of 2011. "Usage of our services have increased every year, and so have the user data request numbers," the company noted. Since the second half of 2010, Google has reported the percentage of user data requests it at least partially complies with. For the second half of 2015, the company produced at least some data for 64 percent of requests. That figure has been about the same since 2013, but it's been trending slightly downward. Google complied with 79 percent of requests from the United States.

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  1. And what percentage of the full user base is that? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

    Google has how many subscribers now? Somehow, these numbers look astonishingly small

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  2. Re:Least amount of effort by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    They are making encryption into a money-saving business decision. By simply making sure that they can't access the data that is being requested they can save a fortune on responding to these requests. Even when law enforcement pays for them the full cost is never recovered.

    Better to shrink the department down to a script that just responds to requests with "sorry, we don't have that data" if possible.

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  3. Yet by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The authorities seem clueless as to how to stop terrorists attacks around the world. What's are all the spying and warrantless requests actually going towards?

    1. Re:Yet by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Not stopping terrorism because
      a) That is actually hard to do and mass-surveillance does not help one bit.
      b) Terrorism is pushing a _lot_ of money and power towards law enforcement. Like any bureaucracy they want this to continue and increase even more.
      The whole thing about mass-surveillance stopping terrorism is a "Big Lie" and people are falling for it just as always.

      Incidentally, with all the data they collect, they can also get rid of people they do not like or stop political careers before they really take off. If you have dirt on everybody, you run the country.

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    2. Re:Yet by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The authorities seem clueless as to how to stop terrorists attacks around the world. What's are all the spying and warrantless requests actually going towards?

      First, these requests aren't warrantless. The numbers Google reports are a combination of various types of legal process requests, including warrants, subpoenas, court orders, national security letters, wiretaps, pen registers, trap and trace orders and various kinds of requests from foreign countries (often through the US legal system, but sometimes directly). Google generally doesn't provide any information without legal process, though it makes exceptions for certain kinds of emergency requests from law enforcement (see https://www.google.com/transpa...).

      Second, given there are a lot of different kinds of requests, they're for a lot of different things. Subpoenas are usually used to gather information to support a lawsuit. Court orders and warrants are usually used in criminal investigations. National security letters are used for terrorism and similar investigations. Wiretaps, pen registers and trap and trace orders are used in criminal and terrorism investigations.

      Though we know that the government is doing a lot of spying that many of us (including me) find highly objectionable, it's not the case that all, or probably more than a tiny fraction, of the requests Google receives fall into that category. It's no surprise that the numbers are rising, either. As more of our communications and data storage moves online, more of what attorneys working on civil suits and criminal investigators looking for evidence needed to prosecute a crime is going to be found online. As one of the biggest repositories of that sort of data, Google is an obvious target to be served with lots of legal process papers.

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  4. it didnt work for the soviets, it wont work for us by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution to our definition of terrorism isn't some sort of panopticon of surveillance. The soviet attempt to quell unpatriotic behaviour in mass surveillance was only moderately successful in doing anything more than converting droves of citizens against the cause of the state. The chinese solution of blanket surveillance is so broken as to be unusable. with an untenable dearth of bulk garbage collected monthly the only solution is to ignore it, invent your charges, and hope they stick. most citizens have modern, functional VPN to subvert whats essentially a very expensive boilerplate.

    the solution to americas terrorism problem is a review and modernization of our foreign policy from the carter doctrine of middle eastern interventionism. democracy as a pretext for dominionism has never been accepted outside of the US citizenry. its a fairy tale we tell ourselves through the nightly news to avoid the uncomfortable truth that we grant ourselves unfettered access to foreign resources through a rudimentary network of hollow dictators and an unspoken drone assassination campaign with no accountability. When youve made a group of people determined with nothing to lose, stripped them of security and purchase in their own land, and then marginalized their self-determination to a handful of platitudes about trade then they can and will strike back in a myriad of unpredictable means. your choice is to either chase the white dragon until you've exhausted all your resources in defense and you can no longer sustain the moral pretext of armed service, or you can stop the madness and focus on issues that kill far more of your citizenry than actual terrorism. heart disease, car crashes, alcoholism, and gun crime.

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  5. Re:And what percentage of the full user base is th by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Those numbers translate to about a 1 in 1000 chance that any particular person will be affected in their lifetime.

    Assuming that they cover EVERYONE, of course.

    And assuming that the request rate stays constant. There is no reason to believe that it will stay constant (especially since it's trending upwards as we speak). If the current growth rate of requests continues, then the chance of any particular person being affected in their lifetime will be 50:50 within 40 or 50 years.

    Will the growth rate remain constant? Probably not. But it's more likely to increase than decrease - governments do like their new toys.

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  6. Don't guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big issues of the day are China and the South Sea.

    These police deaths, as horrifying as they are to see, are well within the statistical normal. 2 Ambushes don't make a major trend and ambushing cops is not entirely new.

    Being a police is a mildy dangerous job. It does not rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America because MOST criminals don't actually shoot back at all. Only 42 officers died last year being shot.

    I suspect suicide actually killed more than criminals. This is because as the Dallas Chief suggesting, we are 'Asking our cops to do too much'.

    We are asking them to go out into the public under the false pretense than their job is WAY more dangerous and construction work, when it's just not. It's not more dangerous than being a Cabi or deliver truck driver. Being on the road all the time is more dangerous than being a police officer.

    That's not by accident, police do have a lot of protection and ppl are scared of them, but police death stats go back a long time and I suspect they are accurate enough. We have stats on all professions, especially death stats because you know people tend to notice when someone dies and why they died. With just that data we can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that being a police officer is not in the top 10 most dangerous professions. I don't know where it ranks.

    140 dead out of 1.1 million makes me suspect it ranks quite low in lethal professions. Police also get a ton more benefits than other professions. They have special funds, added support from the public if they die in the line of duty, they get lots of free stuff.

    Why are police getting all these perks and acting like their profession is so dangerous when in reality they are getting paid quite well for a less dangerous position and perks that other comparable non education required careers don't tend to offer. On top of that they are given special privileges by the law to protect them from investigation as well as Police Unions. They have proportionally way more charities also.

    We are treating police more than nice enough. It's they who are not treating the people, their customers, well. Police training sucks, the Police Union needs to shut it's mouth and listen to the public. 1.1 million workers don't get to tell 332 million citizens how things should be. Police are our public employees. They are going to do the job within the bounds of what citizens say or citizens will get mad and eventually over decades of built up anger or just some bad mental health luck, you have events like this.

    When police deaths double from 140 to 280 we can call it a major uptick, but even then. We are talking about 240 people out of 1.1 million. It's not worth national attention and it doesn't represent any real danger or crisis.

    The real crisis is the way Americans mindlessly react to things on the media, without double checking, without thinking first, withing considering the repercussions. We are not going to hold the position of the worlds most powerful nation for much longer like this. When words come out of your mouth and you state them as fact, you outta know if they are true. It's not asking too much.

  7. Re:it didnt work for the soviets, it wont work for by swillden · · Score: 2

    The solution to our definition of terrorism isn't some sort of panopticon of surveillance.

    I certainly agree with that. However, I can't really see that it has anything to do with the story. Requests for data about 80K users out of, what, 2B? That's 0.004%, which is a very myopic panopticon. The US rate is a bit higher, 27K users out of, say, 150M (I'm just assuming that half of the US population has a Google account of some sort) is 0.02%, but that actually doesn't seem too excessive for supporting normal civil and criminal legal processes in a world where most people have significant electronic data in the cloud.

    I'm not saying there isn't some crazy excessive surveillance going on, in fact I think there is. But the Google-reported numbers don't support it, so if the surveillance state is spying on us through our Google accounts, they're doing it without Google's knowledge.

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  8. Look huge to me. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    Google has how many subscribers now? Somehow, these numbers look astonishingly small

    Google has how many employees to process these requests now? Somehow, these numbers look annoyingly huge.

    How much does this cost Google to process? How much more does this cost to resist if Google wants to try to protect its customers' data, how much more to research whether each particular customers deserves this effort?

    Can Google bill the governments for this service? Does this qualify as a fifth-amendment "taking"? Can google sue for reimbursement of these costs?

    How much does this cost Google in lost revenue from people who bail out, or don't join, rather than leave their sensitive data where it is subject to search without their knowledge, and potential disclosure?

    How much does incurring these costs result in raised costs or reduced services for Google's customers? How many, and what, services might they have to terminate, or never deploy, or never even develop, because the money that might have provided them is instead eaten by servicing government information requests? How badly does this impact their business models, their stock price, their investors' returns?

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  9. Re:And what percentage of the full user base is th by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    I was already assuming that Google's market penetration was 100% of the world's population.

    Increase the chances and/or decrease time by whatever you assume to be Google's actual penetration (which, however slight, is enough to complete the offense)....

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