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How The Internet Helps Sex Workers Keep Customers Honest (qz.com)

HughPickens.com writes: Mid-range prostitution is a relatively new market, enabled by technology. Before the internet, it was hard for escorts to find customers: They had to either walk the streets searching for customers, rely on word-of-mouth, or work with agencies. The internet changed all that as Allison Schrager writes at Quartz that if you work at Goldman Sachs in NYC and you want to tie up a woman and then have sex with her, you'll first have to talk to Rita. Rita will "insist on calling your office, speaking to the switchboard operator, and being patched through to your desk. Then she will want to check out your profile on the company website and LinkedIn. She'll demand you send her message from your work email, and require a scan of either your passport or driver's license." Though some escorts rely on sex work-specific sites that maintain "bad date" lists of potentially dangerous clients, others make use of more mainstream sources to gather information about and verify the identities of potential johns. Rita is addressing a problem that every business, both legal and illegal, has. Before the internet, more commerce occurred locally -- customers knew their merchants or service providers and went back to them repeatedly. As technology has expanded our transactional networks, it must also offer new ways of building trust and reputation. "The lesson here is that, while you'd think all the technological options for finding customers would make Rita's job as a madam obsolete, it has actually made her services more critical," says Schrager. "One step ahead of the mainstream economy, Rita's thriving business shows that some jobs won't disappear. They just need to be recast in a way that capitalizes on what made them valuable in the first place."

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  1. Bullshit by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call a "switchboard operator"? "patched through" to your desk? What is this, 1946? The mid/highclass hookers aren't asking their customers for identification. Who writes this garbage?

    1. Re: Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who the fuck in their right mind would give any personal info to a hooker?

    2. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      HAHAHAH oh how little you know

      Yes, you most certainly CAN order a prostitute from overseas on the Internet. Or anywhere you want. It'll cost you, but the higher priced ones, oh yes they do indeed travel. Look up Christine McQueen for an example

    3. Re:Bullshit by taustin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You want references? No problem. Email the phone numbers of some of your johns, and I'll verify you're not a cop or a blackmailer, and then send my references right over."

    4. Re:Bullshit by Hacker_PingWu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      COMPLETELY made up. Nobody would consent to this for an hooker, even a mid/high-class one - which these ain't. Kink, dominatrix services, etc. are pretty easily available if you have cash to spend. Keep in mind that the very next article after this garbage on this site has a title that says, "You realize Pokémon is basically animal cruelty, right?". Dreamed up, 50 shades of gray, hipster feminist garbage.

    5. Re: Bullshit by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is degrading and dangerous.

      Prostitution is degrading and dangerous because our laws and institutions have made it that way. It isn't like that everywhere. Many other countries have legalized prostitution, which is safer for both hookers and johns. Less violence, less coercion, less disease, less social decay.

    6. Re: Bullshit by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why wouldn't you? I give personal information to all sorts of people for business reasons. I see no evidence that sex workers are more or less untrustworthy than any other trade. Maybe some are controlled by criminal gangs that would then exploit the details, but that's true of some garages, used car dealerships, nightclubs and restaurants, too.

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    7. Re: Bullshit by goose-incarnated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why wouldn't you? I give personal information to all sorts of people for business reasons. I see no evidence that sex workers are more or less untrustworthy than any other trade. Maybe some are controlled by criminal gangs that would then exploit the details, but that's true of some garages, used car dealerships, nightclubs and restaurants, too.

      Blackmail? The garage isn't going to threaten to rat you out to your wife unless you pay more. The restaurant is not going to make money by threatening to tell details of your meal to your children. The garage can't extort money out of you by revealing that you had your car fixed by them.

      I can't imagine any john stupid enough to give a hooker their real name, much less verify their employer!

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    8. Re: Bullshit by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. And it doesn't have to be this Rita doing the blackmailing. If she stores the customer info electronically, it can be stolen. If LinkedIn gets hacked, you change your password and you get a bit more spam. If Rita gets hack, you are (figuratively speaking) fucked.

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    9. Re: Bullshit by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't imagine any john stupid enough to give a hooker their real name

      What is so difficult to grasp that the story is not about "hookers" but about high professional sex workers?

      I fail to see the distinction. You never heard the term "High-class hooker"?

      Oh, probably the problem in your mind is that in your state "hooking" is illegal?

      No. The problem is that it's socially undesirable (whether as a provider or customer), even in places where it is legal. This allows the hooker to simply extort when times are hard.

      Fortunately all the "hooker" related crime goes away as soon as "sex work" is legal, as in Europe e.g.

      You can be assured that a Lady that charges $1000 per day keeps here customers a secret and has no intention to "black mail" former (and potential future) customers: because that would be damn bad for her business!

      So, she encrypts that info, right? And she trusts "Rita" to encrypt the info too? And she'll never accidentally lose the database? Or her machine will never ever get pwned?

      Face it, no one in their right mind would want a traceable record of their visit to a prostitute.

      Also: not everyone is married or has a girl friend ...

      However: you are right that the story is not very believable, regarding employer etc.

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    10. Re: Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... It is degrading and dangerous.

      Only because criminals don't have rights: Countries that spend time keeping (minor) criminals in their community, paradoxically, have much less crime. Several US states have realized that institutionalizing teenagers (which most prostitutes are), guarantees negative outcomes.

    11. Re: Bullshit by Catmeat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The downside of blackmail is that you may make a lot of money from one mug. But if word gets out your business is essentially destroyed instantly. But you might not even get any money as your victim might go to the cops (in some states, blackmail is a felony) or might just refuse to pay and go online to tell the world about your extortion attempt.

      High-priced prostitution has a big incentive to be discrete - they want existing customers to be repeat customers. They want new customers to feel safe and confident about what they're doing.

      Now I'm not saying that's how it actually works in practice. I'm just wary of saying blackmail is the automatic outcome. Because discretion might ultimately be the most profitable policy for the prostitution providers. Most especially the expensive ones.

    12. Re: Bullshit by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Seems a bit risky to me. Think I'd rather sign up with that Ashley Hasleton.

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    13. Re: Bullshit by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly!

      Why is it legal to have sex for free, but not for money?

      Religio-fascists...

  2. Re: Also for blackmailing them by cunina · · Score: 5, Informative

    The joke's on you, many of them are paid handsomely for exactly that.

  3. Sounds like a great way to get blackmail material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Count me in. Selling sex makes good money, but I bet you could make even more with blackmail!

  4. Re:Never by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whatever you're on Beau

    The "HughPickens.com writes" should be enough warning for everyone.

    I'm sure there is a real story on this topic which is interesting on many levels but this isn't it.
    So many things about this make it look like back of the envelope scrawling in a bar just before deadline.
    File it with all the "toothing" casual sex hookups that were a media thing but never appeared to have actually happened as written.

  5. You named it correctly by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't get past the summary which for me is rare. It's like some weird Penthouse Forum story, written by a person who is completely oblivious to reality and no experience or knowledge of prostitution. I mean, they could have paid a real prostitute money to interview them, but instead they just made shit up. Really stupid shit at that.

    Usually there is a purpose for this kind of trash, but in this case I'm really stumped. Maybe they think they will normalize people giving hookers info by making elaborately false claims?

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  6. One step ahead of the mainstream economy? by tetraverse · · Score: 3

    Is this the best you can find to post on slashdot, the technology site?

  7. Re: Also for blackmailing them by taustin · · Score: 2

    If I did, it would be my impression of you.

  8. EDITORS: RTFA by fred911 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hughpickens writes

    "and you want to tie up a woman and then have sex with her, you'll first have to talk to Rita."

    The article actually reads:

    "you want to be tied up by a woman and then have sex with her"

    I don't know but I think we're talking about different specialists here aren't we?

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  9. Rita's job is not obsolete, Rita is not her job. by roman_mir · · Score: 2

    Rita's job is not obsolete but what she does can fairly easily be replicated with a script.

  10. Re: Also for blackmailing them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why am I reading this? What happened to my life?

  11. The /. summary and the article differ. by Rip!ey · · Score: 3, Informative

    The /. summary says "... if you work at Goldman Sachs in NYC and you want to tie up a woman and then have sex with her ..."

    The linked article says "... If you work at Goldman Sachs in a major US city and you want to be tied up by a woman and then have sex with her ..."

    That's a substantial difference. Who changed what, and when? Is that poor /. editing?

  12. What if... by Bartles · · Score: 2

    ...you don't work at Goldman Sachs?

  13. What's sad is you probably believe all that by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Other people have debunked your numbers but something not debunked is the notion that all sex service are trafficking. Women being trafficked are actually a rainy minority of those selling sexual services (which ranges form escort to stripper to everything in between).

    Being able to use your body as you see fit, including making money, is not a "man's dream" - it is the dream of humanity. If an athlete or model can make money from their body why not a sex worker (and remember we are not just talking women here, but men/women/other)? Just because YOU don't like it? Why should your views be forced on all the women of the world? In the end you are simply a misogynist pretending to care.

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  14. Workers at Goldman-Sachs don't screw hookers by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
    They screw entire countries. They screwed everyone in the country of Greece before the 2008 meltdown. First they invented a bunch of semi-illegal schemes to fund the government and at the same time they placed huge bets that the Greek economy would fail. Of course they made a huge profit up front with these scams, and even bigger profits when it all went to hell.

    Now they are eyeball deep in the looting scandal that stole over $2.5 billion dollars out of the Malaysian economy.

    Goldman Sachs' (GS.N) work with Malaysian sovereign wealth fund 1MDB is under the spotlight over U.S. government allegations that billions of dollars were diverted for the personal use of officials and some people associated with them.

    The Wall Street bank helped 1MDB, which was founded by Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak in September 2009, raise $6.5 billion in three bond sales in 2012 and 2013 to invest in energy projects and real estate to boost the Malaysian economy.

    Instead, more than $2.5 billion raised from those bonds was misappropriated by high-level 1MDB officials, their relatives and associates, according to U.S. Department of Justice civil lawsuits filed in court on Wednesday.

    Goldman Sachs, which earned close to $600 million to arrange and underwrite the 1MDB bonds, has not been accused of any wrongdoing.

    Still, the lawsuits allege investors were not properly informed about the use and nature of the bonds.

    The U.S. Justice Department said that the offering circulars for two of the bonds issued in 2012 contained "material misrepresentations and omissions" over what the proceeds of the bonds would be used for and the nature of the relationship between 1MDB and International Petroleum Investment Company (IPIC), an entity owned by the Abu Dhabi government.

    So no matter how much fun it is for Wall Street types to tie up hookers, or be tied up by them, nothing comes close to egomaniac thrill of wrecking entire economies for profit. That's why they keep doing it over and over again.

    BTW, one of the truly ironic features of this case is that some of the stolen money was used to fund the film The Wolf of Wall Street. You can't make this kind of shit up.

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  15. Re: Also for blackmailing them by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    "Would you marry an orange Oompa Loompa who had a billion dollars?"
    "Of course, dahlink"
    "Would you marry an orange Oompa Loompa who was broke?"
    "Vat do you take me for?"
    "We've already established that, now we're just negotiating."

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  16. Re: Also for blackmailing them by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah OK there is NO FUCKING WAY I'd jump through even 1 of those hoops just to smash some puss.

    One thing I've learned in life is that guys who call it "smash some puss", very rarely get to smash any puss.

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  17. Re: Also for blackmailing them by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    Yeah OK there is NO FUCKING WAY I'd jump through even 1 of those hoops just to smash some puss.

    One thing I've learned in life is that guys who call it "smash some puss", very rarely get to smash any puss.

    Yep. I was going to say that this guy sounds like a real smooth player, but then I started laughing and couldn't stop.

    "Smash some puss" indeed, this is the mark of a loser who's probably never seen an actual woman naked.

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  18. Re: Also for blackmailing them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As the saying goes - you're not paying for sex, you're paying for her to go away afterwards.

    I have a friend who is (was) a sex worker for a time. Being the curious sort, I asked her about the work, and what sort of guys she saw. There were, obviously, the creeps (the ones who kept trying to push boundaries, or tried to steal shit, or were just fucking weird.) Many of the guys, however, she said fell into a few categories:

    1) Married / in a relationship, but sexually unhappy - the prostitute was a low-risk way of getting their dick tickled in the way they liked without having to worry about a crazy one-night stand coming back to haunt them;
    2) Busy, and unable to pursue a regular relationship, so used the prostitute to satisfy the urge for a little contact & intimacy when they needed it;
    3) "not traditionally great looking" (i.e., fat, old), and used the prostitute in much the same way as group #2 above;

    Admittedly, this sample size is likely too small to be anything more than anecdotal evidence, but she said the majority of the guys she saw were relatively "normal" seeming guys.

  19. Re: Also for blackmailing them by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except the piss goes on them, and all of them paid handsomely with their dignity.

    So does this mean anyone who has a pee fetish is unworthy of respect? What other sexual practices disqualify one from having dignity - anything except missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation with the lights off?

    Or is the real issue here that, after the piss goes on them, they take a shower and get on with their lives, having suffered no actual harm whatsoever, and that insults your sense of propriety?

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