Slashdot Mirror


Edward Snowden's New Research Aims To Keep Smartphones From Betraying Their Owners (theintercept.com)

Smartphones become indispensable tools for journalists, human right workers, and activists in war-torn regions. But at the same time, as Intercept points out, they become especially potent tracking devices that can put users in mortal danger by leaking their location. To address the problem, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden and hardware hacker Andrew "Bunnie" Huang have been developing a way for potentially imperiled smartphone users to monitor whether their devices are making any potentially compromising radio transmissions. "We have to ensure that journalists can investigate and find the truth, even in areas where governments prefer they don't," Snowden told Intercept. "It's basically to make the phone work for you, how you want it, when you want it, but only when." Snowden and Huang presented their findings in a talk at MIT Media Lab's Forbidden Research event Thursday, and published a detailed paper. From the Intercept article: Snowden and Huang have been researching if it's possible to use a smartphone in such an offline manner without leaking its location, starting with the assumption that "a phone can and will be compromised." [...] The research is necessary in part because most common way to try and silence a phone's radio -- turning on airplane mode -- can't be relied on to squelch your phone's radio traffic. Fortunately, a smartphone can be made to lie about the state of its radios. The article adds: According to their post, the goal is to "provide field-ready tools that enable a reporter to observe and investigate the status of the phone's radios directly and independently of the phone's native hardware." In other words, they want to build an entirely separate tiny computer that users can attach to a smartphone to alert them if it's being dishonest about its radio emissions. Snowden and Haung are calling this device an "introspection engine" because it will inspect the inner-workings of the phone. The device will be contained inside a battery case, looking similar to a smartphone with an extra bulky battery, except with its own screen to update the user on the status of the radios. Plans are for the device to also be able to sound an audible alarm and possibly to also come equipped with a "kill switch" that can shut off power to the phone if any radio signals are detected.Wired has a detailed report on this, too.

107 comments

  1. is this useful? I think not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not that concerned that my phone might transmit while in airplane mode. My phone usually isn't in airplane mode. It's far more concerning what's being transmitted while the phone is operating normally. I'd be far more interested to know, for example, whether my phone is secretly recording my conversations and acting as a bug.

    1. Re:is this useful? I think not. by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

      "It's far more concerning what's being transmitted while the phone is operating normally."

      Agreed. This issue have been my primary concern with tablets and smartphones.

    2. Re:is this useful? I think not. by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      What we really need rather than a smartphone is a computer that can fit in a 4"X6"X1/2" case with a touchscreen.

      While you may think I'm being facetious, phones have a history of belonging to the carrier, while computers have a history of belonging to the owner, and the software involved has a similar history. Cellphones belong to carriers, computers belong to owners. That's unlikely to change (Windows 10 not withstanding).

      --
      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    3. Re:is this useful? I think not. by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Try Googling "pico-itx". You'll find some cool stuff, but it may be a while before you can make one battery powered and with a touch-screen.

      --
      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
    4. Re: is this useful? I think not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      And you might never know. Most phones have a dedicated microcontroller which handles the GSM/CDMA stack and is directly interfaced to the cameras and the microphone. That is right, human: The application cores interface with that dedicated microcontroller core with an on-die highspeed serial bus. All the phone app does is send a command over that bus to start a phone call. The firmware in that microcontroller handles the radio and sets up the dsp to start sampling fron the microphone and output to the speaker. If you're taking a picture then the camera app will send a command and then retrieve the image data over that bus. In many phones this firmware is nsa-qualcomm's AMSS (Advanced Mobile Subscriber Software). Just think what the ramifications of this are. A lot of work has been done to hack into the application cotes of smartphones. These are the cores that run Android and IOS, only few have ever tried to gain access to the radio cores and this is where the spying takes place. It is certainly not a problem to send a specifically crafted binary text message, or certain additional information elements to the call setup request to your phone that put your phone into "spy" mode, surreptiously turning on your microphone and your cameras. And you will never know it because even though you may have some control over the application cores, you gave no idea what the radio core is doing. The only thing you may notice is that your phone starts to use a lot more battery and it might get warm. Samsung stock firmwares were incidentally busted having a fileserver on the application core side that would take commands from the radio core side. Read, modify, delete, with that anybody in control of the radio core can either spy, delete/change data or plant kiddie porn on your phone. Never trust your smartphone with important data, do not bring it to important meetings.

  2. Hardware Switch by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't a simple hardware switch that connects the phone to its antenna suffice ?

    No antenna = no useful signal for the towers to pick up.

    1. Re:Hardware Switch by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Take the damned battery out! Hasn't anybody seen NCIS!

      --

      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    2. Re: Hardware Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the NSA-mandated hidden third backup battery?

    3. Re:Hardware Switch by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

      Taking the battery out is not an appropriate solution in this case. I think the underlying idea here is that certain functions of a smartphone are required in some situations, but the smartphone's tendency to "call home" under those situations may be undesirable. Removing the battery defeats both: sure, the smartphone can no longer call home but, with no battery, I am also unable to take notes, use the calculator or view documents previously saved to the smartphone's memory.

    4. Re:Hardware Switch by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      Take the damned battery out! Hasn't anybody seen NCIS!

      Unfortunately for alot of newer phones, that isn't an option. That and no SD slot were my only gripes about my latest phone.

      --
      Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
    5. Re:Hardware Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but that requires the cooperation of manufacturers, which are not going to do this because it costs money, increases the size of the phone, and makes it generally more unreliable resulting in higher warranty and support costs.

      Our problem nowadays is that everything is designed from the ground up to take control away from the customer and put it in the hand of the manufacturer.
      Literally everything. From the most basic ideas, concepts, standards and protocols upwards.

      That is why the only feasible defenses are crude, external solutions like this, which essentially just measure RF output power and alert when there should not be any.

    6. Re:Hardware Switch by DaveM753 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This would be an ideal solution, however...
      In an NSA/corporation controlled world, we must be mindful of what smartphone manufacturers define as "hardware switch". By definition, such a switch would use physical/mechanical hardware to completely deactivate the hardware itself (in this case, the radio). However, I can tell you now that if smartphone manufacturers have any say, any hardware switch" would merely trigger a software action that would put the phone into Airplane mode. Thus, we end up needing Snowden's device to make sure the radio is truly deactivated.

    7. Re:Hardware Switch by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1, Informative

      Tin foil case making a Faraday box is a low tech way to ensure it doesn't leak any signal or pick any neither.

      --
      Achille Talon
      Hop!
    8. Re: Hardware Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simply disconnecting the antenna on a functioning transmitter usually doesn't end well for the transmitter's final power amplifier.

    9. Re:Hardware Switch by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      A competent techie should be able to take the board, solder a couple of wires on a strategic place and attach a switch to it. Flipping the switch could disconnect the antenna, short some component or do whatever it takes to mess with the radio.
      Once we know what to do, the procedure shouldn't cost the user more than $100 or so.

    10. Re: Hardware Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which incidentally was the main idea about making it so users can not remove the battery.

    11. Re: Hardware Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So use a switch that switches the final amplifier from driving an antenna to driving a resistor with the right resistance to ground. The resistor is the most trivial component in existence, and the amplifier won't notice any difference. No damage.

    12. Re:Hardware Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardware switch is an excellent idea, but it should be for the GPS chip, mic and camera, not just for the antenna. If you disable the antenna, data can still be buffered and sent out once you connect the antenna back. OTOH, if there is no GPS, nor mic nor camera, there can be no data recording. These hardware switches should possibly encompass BT and wifi radios as well.

      Switches should be individual, so the owner turns off only the undesired functionality at any given time, depending on the situation (sometimes you'd want the mic off because a conversation is confidential, while other times location tracking is what matters so you'd turn off GPS and wifi).

  3. How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought he was just a pretty average govt. tech employee that decided to leak a bunch of documents. Now he seems to be treated like a leading expert on security? Is there something I missed here? Is his research something beyond a Google search?

    1. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, unlike everyone else, he puts the issue into the spotlight for everyone to see.

      Since he has some privileged insights on how our intelligence agencies like to do things, this makes his opinion a bit more useful than the folks who merely theorized at what our government was doing.

      One of my greatest interests lie in those documents we've never seen made public. What information did he obtain that he thought was extremely relevant, but has never been released to the public by those he trusted with that very task ? Of the thousands of documents he had access to, we've seen what a dozen or so ?

      What and why would they still withhold that information ?

    2. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      President Trump will take the necessary actions to deal with Snowden and his fans permanently. You won't be hearing from them for very long. TRUMP 2016!

    3. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, unlike everyone else, he puts the issue into the spotlight for everyone to see.

      Since he has some privileged insights on how our intelligence agencies like to do things, this makes his opinion a bit more useful than the folks who merely theorized at what our government was doing.

      It's like he's qualified for a high level government policy position.

    4. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The NSA is one of the world's leading secret agencies, what should you expect?

      Probably lots of NSA employees are experts on security. Being experts is their job. Even if you aren't one if you start at NSA, their training will make you an expert, at least if compared to what the public knows about these things.

    5. Re: How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. For the NSA to even hire you chances are pretty high you have to already be highly trained and then they give you further training. It's also plausible to think alot of people working there are just naturally interested in security and how these things all work.

    6. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aaw. looks like snowden peed in someone's breakfast.

      WAKE UP.

      we're being completely and utterly screwed over by the NSA and other similar agencies, who don't obey the law.

      If you think this is about being 'fanboys' you're completely, irrecoverably, brainwashed.

    7. Re: How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NSA did not hire him he was a IT subcontractor. He was not hired as a security expert.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#NSA_sub-contractee_as_an_employee_for_Dell

    8. Re: How smart is Snowden, exactly? by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you actually read the page you linked:

      Snowden instructed top officials and military officers on how to defend their networks from Chinese hackers. During his four years with Dell, he rose [..] to working as what his résumé termed a "cyberstrategist" and an "expert in cyber counterintelligence" at several U.S. locations.

      He wasn't just hired as security expert, he was hired for doing counterintelligence. Which is what he does now as well.

    9. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought he was just a pretty average govt. tech employee that decided to leak a bunch of documents. Now he seems to be treated like a leading expert on security? Is there something I missed here? Is his research something beyond a Google search?

      How does one become an expert on security? Spend lots of time reading, thinking and studying. What else do you think Snowden has been doing for the last three years? He may not have been a security expert before collecting and leaking the documents, but he's clearly a pretty smart guy, and very motivated to care about security and privacy issues. He's been trying to use the pulpit his fame has given him to highlight those issues, and he's also clearly been doing his homework.

      Aside from all of that, though, what's the point in questioning his expertise? If what he's saying doesn't make sense, say so. Your post isn't "insightful", it's just a variation of the argument from authority fallacy... in this case trying to discredit his ideas by citing his lack of authority, rather than addressing the ideas themselves.

      --
      Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
    10. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitter much?

    11. Re: How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if anyone has corroborated Snowden's claims about his role at Dell. He seems to be self-aggrandizing.

      For example, the Wikipedia article also says he lied about taking computer security classes at Johns Hopkins (JH found no such records), and he lied about expecting a Masters degree from Univ of Liverpool (UL said he registered but did not attend).

      His claims about being the top technologist for federal government while at Dell are pretty extreme. I would have thought someone with a Masters degree from MIT or Stanford would be such a position.

    12. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Trump plans to appoint Hillary as Secretary of Fatherland Security?

    13. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary is soft. She has not explicitly called Snowden a traitor. She has not called for Snowden's execution. Trump has. TRUMP 2016!

    14. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And he is in Russia as a guest of the government. Russia a nation of with a long history of respecting privacy and an individuals freedom.
      Sorry but does anyone not know that even your PC and your car uses a soft switch?

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    15. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Russia don't need this sort of spy tech. They don't want random manufacturers (many of them American) to have such power.

      Sure, Russia is bad with "individual freedom". But that is why they don't need this. If they don't like you, they beat you senseless. they are almost open about that fact! No need to be subtle and spy through smartphones.

    16. Re:How smart is Snowden, exactly? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The past work of any whistleblower can be understood as in who hired (e.g. CIA), who contracted (e.g. NSA), positions offered in what foreign nations, amount of information of interest to the USA in that nation. i.e. more of an outpost nation that could be seen as low level test or needed skills for complex work at a hub of international diplomacy and politics... say a location like Switzerland.
      Do average staff members get a placement e.g. a US fly over state site and then get tested/trusted with international work with a more entry level support role in a nation with less of a work flow i.e. diplomatic cover to ensure the software and hardware support needed on site or a job in the US..
      It also reflects to what the US gov did or did not seek as a stringent background report for promotion or even the ability to see and submit an application. In depth, in person interviews with everyone up and down the history of an applicant vs a state and federal "digital" search for a newer lesser clearance for some levels of gov work.
      Also note that the State dept will allow "other agency" staff posted by the US gov to present very simple cover stories to other nations, the press, their friends as far as any diplomatic role/work goes. The life story will be searchable and have a depth of detail re online images, education, gov work before any posting.
      The trust and skill set needed for the workload and the "other agency" that gave the top clearance usually shows the skill levels needed.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  4. Planes Are Falling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, no one properly turns off their phone when getting on a plane? I'd turn my phone completely off more often if I didn't have to listen to a stupid, non-user-volume-adjustable chime every time it turns on.

    1. Re: Planes Are Falling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't figured out how to put your thumb over the speaker yet?

  5. Has he told his friends at the FSB yet? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    They won't be happy. He'll might have his ration of Borsch withdrawn.

    1. Re:Has he told his friends at the FSB yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who do you think wrote this article?

      . . . is necessary in part because most common way . . .

      . . . looking similar to a smartphone with an extra bulky battery . . .

      . . . and possibly to also come equipped with . . .

      That article was either originally in Russian, or translated by someone for whom, let's say, English is a second language.

  6. Snowden by mfh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Prolific, savior of humanity.

    --
    The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
    1. Re: Snowden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kys

    2. Re:Snowden by pz · · Score: 1

      I bow to your 2-digit ID.

      --

      Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
    3. Re:Snowden by mfh · · Score: 1

      inb4 "he bought it on ebay" ;)

      --
      The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
  7. Won't do anything by bkr1_2k · · Score: 3, Informative

    This won't do anything. It's not like people are only using their phones to make an outgoing calls and then turning them off. People use smart phones to DO things. Whether that's accessing the internet or communicating with people via text or voice, the phone NEEDS radio signals to do that. "Man in the middle" systems exploit that for tracking. What Snowden and Huang are recommending isn't going to change that at all.

    --
    "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
    1. Re:Won't do anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It won't change that for *most* people.

      Us tinfoil-hatters would love more hard switches on phones, better firewall / understanding of incoming/outgoing data, etc.

      I'm all for it.

    2. Re:Won't do anything by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      It really depends on the world view of the data flow.
      The NSA, Australia, Canada, NZ and GCHQ get the origin, destination, number and content of the call via their shared collection sites globally.
      The call will get the same amount of interest as any call. If the caller recipient of the call or any of their contacts ( a few hops i.e. friends of friends) are listed as been of interest, even more value will be placed on collecting that communication.
      That occurs on the national and international pipes and is not passible to avoid that kind of shared collection globally on any consumer telco account.
      The next step down is a city, state, local gov or NGO working "with" a gov or local gov buying contractor software to push down on a phone or run as a trusted installed application to turn on the mic, cam or upload a generated log file.
      That access and changes would be more detectable to the user given the need to run as an application layer and interact with the users hardware..
      Cant escape the NSA and GCHQ collect it all.
      Can find out if a log file is been created, uploaded or the cam, mic is getting turned on by pushed down installed software.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  8. Its a step, but there are better ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its better than nothing I suppose, but a better step might be to get manufacturers to build in hardware based cut offs of the transmission hardware and maybe hardwired LEDs showing when the mic/camera is active. In the future a real plus would be to re-design the cell network communications protocols so that your phone doesn't "need" to constantly announcing itself but only transmits when making calls or access data. Of course you can expect governments to fight tooth and nail against these "terrorist tools" while quietly skirting around the fact that ~99% of the time their "anti terrorism" measures end up being used against pretty much everything but terrorists (drug runners, money launders, protest groups, etc)

    1. Re:Its a step, but there are better ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kickstarter...consumers...Guess no-one cares for a Free Firmware Phone...one that is actually your property.

    2. Re:Its a step, but there are better ones by unrtst · · Score: 1

      Its better than nothing I suppose, but a better step might be to get manufacturers to build in hardware based cut offs of the transmission hardware and maybe hardwired LEDs showing when the mic/camera is active.

      Forget LED's. Put in hardware disconnects for:
      * mic(s)
      * camera(s)
      * bt/wifi
      * cell
      * gps
      * NFC

      It'd be an entirely different phone, but it's not that crazy a thought. Push to talk was in widespread use by nextel folks for a long time, and also in CB and radio forever. I already start out every conference call I'm on by hitting mute... just make it easier to do that with a real button that actually ties to a circuit (maybe a slide, so I can slide it on/off). The others could also be put on one hardware airplane mode switch.

    3. Re:Its a step, but there are better ones by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      This. The comments suggesting just disconnecting or disabling the radio are missing that the phone could record stuff & transmit it later when re-enabled. An RF sensor will not stop such recording, either.

      Sensors could have small, redundant backups, so hardware input switches might only get a false sense of security. For that matter, even removing the battery is in principle possible to work around (using an extra battery or a capacitor—the power needed to record from a microphone is not very high, for example). We might hope that would not happen due to cost, but what is a few cents out of the price of a modern smartphone?

      A soundproof Faraday cage should work, but if someone is that paranoid, they probably need to put the people inside it rather than their phones.

  9. Cellular communication is tainted in the USA by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

    The problem is your phone's GSM/CDMA radio is a proprietary black box and there's certain way to really shut it up besides breaking it or putting it behind a place where no transmissions can escape, like a freezer. All of the towers are poisoned because all of the American telecoms have no qualms with surrendering your privacy when presented with warrants, even if they're certainly unconstitutional.

    So, if you're some kind of political dissident, or you're trying to escape an abusive person who has access to the telecoms' data*, it's probably best to not even use cellular communication at all. Use Tails. If you have no other choice but to use cellular transmissions, then it's probably better to have some kind of hotspot where you can communicate everything with end-to-end encryption from a trusted computer, rather than using the radio that comes in your phone and could potentially blabber about everything connected to it.

    *You might think this unlikely, but once I was listening to an FM radio show (the Kane Show, for those in the Washington DC area). This show has a segment where people who know their significant other is cheating on them get revenge in various ways. Now, this might've been entirely staged or a hoax, but one woman told the hosts that she knew her boyfriend was cheating on her because she worked for Verizon (which was his provider) and monitored everything he did on his phone through 4G. Maybe the boyfriend had it coming in this particular case, but imagine some violent, stalkerish man doing this to women...

    1. Re:Cellular communication is tainted in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "surrendering your privacy when presented with warrants"

      Warrants? That's the problem, government doesn't want to go through all of the hassle of getting warrants anymore even though they are practically rubber stamped these days. Most record requests are in the form of subpoenas, which have NO judicial oversight unless the party receiving it goes through the hassle/cost to fight it. They're even trying to get away from using subpoenas as even with gag orders (NSLs) they leave a paper trail that can eventually come back to bite those in charge if they use them improperly/excessively. No, what government wants these days are direct links into systems to siphon information, logs, records without any external record keeping (see NSAs Room 641A). Internal record requests can be easily dealt with by hardware/backup "failures", claiming "national security", simply lying ("no such records exist, we did a search and everything").

    2. Re:Cellular communication is tainted in the USA by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Sounds pretty likely, you can set up parental features that let you track your children and so on. Not sure how much granularity there is to it, but probably pretty fine.

  10. Who owns our phones? by aprentic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difficulty seems to be that they're trying to hack privacy onto phones that are not really designed for it.
    The vast majority of phones seem to be designed around the idea of apps, particularly social apps.
    The hardware on these phones are typically black boxes and the software is designed in the interests of the vendors.

    It's not difficult to make your computer private. You can build it from component pieces and put an open source OS on it.
    In contrast, I've found a little information on building your own phone.
    https://www.raspberrypi.org/bl...
    That's the best I could find and it's a long way from being a practical phone.
    For starters I can't find any CDMA circuit boards so you can't use it with Verizon. As bad as they are they have the best network in the US.

    But ultimately being able to really own our phones is the only way to insure privacy on them.

    1. Re:Who owns our phones? by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      The difficulty seems to be that they're trying to hack privacy onto phones that are not really designed for it.

      Sure, but just having a physical switch for the radios/batteries/mic/camera could go a long way in helping someone feel like they actually control their phone. There's no way to be sure that a phone isn't bugged, but being able to break the circuit when desired is better than nothing at all. As you pointed out, actually having privacy while using it is an entirely different matter.

    2. Re:Who owns our phones? by aprentic · · Score: 1

      being able to break the circuit when desired is better than nothing at all.

      Not much.
      If you assume that your phone has been compromised to the point that you can't trust the indicator that says that you're radio is turned off then it would be trivial to just log your route and upload it whenever you turn the physical circuit back on.

    3. Re:Who owns our phones? by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      If you assume that your phone has been compromised to the point that you can't trust the indicator that says that you're radio is turned off then it would be trivial to just log your route and upload it whenever you turn the physical circuit back on.

      In the Vice news interview, Snowden demonstrates physically removing the cameras and mics from the phone. My point was rather than have to go to this extreme, the next best thing would be mods to be able to toggle those features or radios without having to trust the phone's OS. Even just a switch instead of having to pull the battery would be a big improvement.

  11. This vs Faraday cage by tavi.g · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Scenario 1

    You are one of the subversives. You wish to prevent your phone from leaking your location or the curently open document. You attach one of these detectors, turn airplane mode on. In about 20 minutes since you left home, as if on a timer, your detector beeps and you see RF activity. You scramble to turn it off, wondering if it leaked your location and / or open document.

    Scenario 2

    You are one of the subversives. You pull the battery out. You write with a pen on paper.

    Scenario 3

    You are one of the subversives. You place the phone in a makeshift Faraday cage. You write with a pen on paper.

    I don't really understand the first scenario. Are we talking about sensitive enough info ? Then why risk using the phone ? What app (with no network access required) would be absolutely vital to a subversive meeting ?

    Also, would it beep if it got excited by other RF, possibly emitted by those looking for subversives ?

    I appreciate privacy but this device seems to give a false sense of security. If a person doesn't have the discipline to enforce a "battery out" or "leave phone home" policy, would they have the discipline to randomly test this device, to keep it charged, to inspect it for rogue electronics, etc ?

    I should be paranoid about my phone, but not about this device ? Also, it seems a bit narrow in scope. Does it check for inaudible sounds from the phone's speaker ? Does it check for CPU load that modifies the phone's thermal print ? Does it check for blitz pulses ? Does it check for the phone quietly recording everyhing ? Does it check for.. uhh, I'll stop.

    Data exfiltration (wooo...) isn't just a real time problem.

    1. Re:This vs Faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scenario 1a. You're a subversive, but you don't have any idea you're being watched. You leave the house with the phone on airplane mode and the alarm goes off. You now know that your phone has been compromised and your general opsec effort needs to increase 10 fold.

  12. Re:Snowden betrayed America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, Snowden's "vacationing" in Russia because Obama and his Democrat friends are oh-so Snowden friendly?

  13. Doesn't help much by ChrisHS · · Score: 2

    Recording audio &/or gps location doesn't need to transmit at the time. Back online/cell network a bit more data won't be noticed. Battery out/power off would work.

  14. Re:Snowden betrayed America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama did nothing about Snowden's fans in the U.S. President Trump will. TRUMP 2016!

  15. Re:I had no idea that stealing government secrets by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    and fleeing prosecution to "frenemy" nations made you a genius security researcher as well. Maybe there's some kind of cause-effect relationship there that I don't understand. I look forward to Edward Snowden's future cure for cancer because apparently he is some kind of super genius who can achieve anything he wants.

    Do you suppose he snatched all that intel and escaped unnoticed to Hong Kong using magic pixie dust?

  16. Trump knows Snowden is a traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama was too scared to call Snowden a traitor. Trump did.

    Obama was too scared to call for Snowden's execution. Trump did.

    Trump 2016!

    1. Re:Trump knows Snowden is a traitor by NotInHere · · Score: 3, Informative

      He was also too scared to sign a pardon for him. Which is what should happen. What Snowden did was a service for the public.

    2. Re:Trump knows Snowden is a traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he wants a pardon, he can surrender himself and demand prosecution like legitimate practicer of principled civil disobedience.

    3. Re:Trump knows Snowden is a traitor by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      Trump has promised that as President, he will have Snowden extradited and prosecuted.

      --
      Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
    4. Re:Trump knows Snowden is a traitor by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      In above post, I've meant obama, not trump. If trump becomes president, it won't look well for snowden.

  17. Douchebag attention whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    He's at it again. Doesn't give a shit about you or anyone, just wants to be talked about.

  18. How about a pool of shared virtual SIM cards? by Khopesh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've thought about this a bit. Consider a consortium of like-minded privacy-concerned people that has a pool of virtual SIM cards (exceeding the user base by perhaps 2x or more). The group pays for the whole pool of SIM cards (end users pay the group, perhaps through bitcoin). Participating phones check out random virtual SIM cards (using some kind of cryptographic signature perhaps similar to blockchains to assure anonymity) periodically in order to ensure apparently random distribution. All transactions flow over a VPN to a common network and the phone itself is disabled (use VoIP). Web access runs through Privoxy or similar filtering to ensure there are no traceable bits. This should be fine until you start installing other apps.

    This probably requires special hardware in order to "spoof" the consortium's SIM cards and swap between them with minimal downtime.

    --
    Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
    1. Re:How about a pool of shared virtual SIM cards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Participating phones check out random virtual SIM cards

      conduct

      consortium of like-minded privacy-concerned people

      of an enterprise

      periodically

      through a pattern

      assure anonymity ... ensure there are no traceable bits

      of racketeering activity (definition, "section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice)"

      The group pays for the whole pool

      causing injury to the plaintiff (definition, "or the activities of which affect, interstate or foreign commerce"

      Thanks for playing RICO BINGO! You've won a free stay at our relaxing Club Fed resort and spa.

  19. 'Tracking' by kheldan · · Score: 1

    But at the same time, as Intercept points out, they become especially potent tracking devices that can put users in mortal danger by leaking their location.

    Which is close to the top of the list of reasons why I really don't want one at all.

    Now, if I could get an OS and drivers for the GSM hardware that were all open-source, and I could examine and compile it all myself, and load it onto the phone, then maybe, but as is? They've got more security holes than your average kitchen colander.

    --
    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    1. Re:'Tracking' by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      I'd be fine my phone leaking my location as long as the GPS didn't keep dropping signal every time I try using it for navigation.

    2. Re: 'Tracking' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colanders have security holes?

    3. Re: 'Tracking' by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      Its not a bug, its a feature.

      --
      "Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
  20. Put a POCSAG Pager Module in it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a phone had a POCSAG pager module inside it could run radio silent. The infrastructure is in place, the coverage is great, the service is cheap. All we need is a good phone(please make it FOSS with great hardware!) and we can only boot the GSM modem when we choose to show up on radar. We can stay in touch in real time, get texts and near realtime incoming calls to call back, perhaps even take live incoming calls with the right answering service switchboard software.

  21. Buy up old tech (PalmPilots), dedicated cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I were someone *that* worried about being located/tracked, yet needed notepad, calculator, and camera functions, I'd bring pre-smartphone tech like a Palm Pilot and a good dedicated digital camera (some have annotating apps and editing in-camera). My good 'ol Palm III lasted over a week on two AAAs.
    I'm sure there are dedicated, non-smartphone devices for other activities as well.

    1. Re:Buy up old tech (PalmPilots), dedicated cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you could buy a used n900 on flEbay, wipe & load from scratch and have a mostly-useable linux tablet that makes calls and handles 3g data on demand. It's the only real smartphone ever made, IMO.

  22. Lower Opinion of MIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I now have a lower opinion of the quality coming out of MIT.

  23. ALWAYS ON unless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The phone should be considered ALWAYS ON unless you take the battery out.

  24. Overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why in the world do you need a computer to tell if your phone is transmitting? All you need is a diode, a capacitor, a transistor and an LED to make an RF detector. They make these thing as novelty items. They blink when your phone's transmitter goes active.

  25. Management chip sets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most modern computers have a "management" chipset that can be used to to manage the computer without the OS being involve or aware. I am assuming this architecture is also part of modern cell phones. So unless Snowden and his pal can figure out how to access that chipset anything they do with the OS is worthless.

  26. faraday cage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just throw your untrusted phones in a broken/unused microwave and close the door. Faraday promises it wont betray you. No political problem can't be solved with a sufficient amount of physics.

    1. Re:faraday cage by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      Microwave ovens only need to block the frequency used by the magnetron (& enough to the sides to account for drift & finite-time effects). It is apparently tricky to make a broad-spectrum Faraday cage with a usable door, so they tend to take the cheapest option & leak elsewhere (i.e. everything but (part of) the 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi band).

  27. This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your life is at risk, YOU SWITCH IT OFF. If you can't switch it off, remove the battery. If you can't remove the battery, put it in a screened holder. This isn't rocket science.

  28. Re:Why would you trust his research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I trust that he will uphold the constitution.

  29. time by hattable · · Score: 0

    His 15 minutes are up. Why does he believe himself to still be relevant? (Bring on the downvotes, I hate moderating anyway) Oh, because it wasn't about _whistleblowing_ (correctly _leaking_ mind you, but let's leave that for another time) and his moment of public masturbation is over.

    --
    OMG facts!
    1. Re:time by Mal-2 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      His 15 minutes are up, so he's trying to make a living in his field of expertise: counterintelligence. What's wrong with that, and what in the world do you think he's supposed to do to make money while in exile?

      --
      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    2. Re:time by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      He's supposed to get a job with the Russian security service and leak their secrets to the world. What else would you expect from someone of his caliber?

  30. Finally, a use for that tinfoil hat I wear..... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 0

    Take the damned battery out! Hasn't anybody seen NCIS!

    power off device completely. Remove battery (if possible). Remove tinfoil hat and wrap phone. That should pretty much solve the problem unless I am missing something, and it gets that goofy tinfoil hat off your head so people stop looking at you strangely.

    --

    HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
  31. Snowden Is Asking For BIG Trouble From Timmy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timmy Cook, CEO Apple Inc., invented encryption, the computer and computer programming. He also claims to have created a "Time-Machine" that took him to the distant past where he invented the French Language.

    This "Stunt" by Snowden will for sure get him on Timmy's Shit List!

    Ha ha

  32. Mini StingRay? by lhowaf · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it'd be possible (for somebody with knowledge/talent) to build a mini StingRay-like device that would force your phone to communicate through it and its firewall?

  33. Re:CORRECTION by jmcvetta · · Score: 2

    NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden

      s/b

    USA national hero Edward Snowden

    FTFY

  34. I am totally safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one am totally safe.

    Now excuse me while I play Pokemon GO.

  35. False witness here. Ed Snowden is not doing this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some bullshit story about counter-measures to avert the actual spyware that a phone is? Fuck you.

    If you don't want it to track you while you are out doing your espionage and subterfuge gigs just get it under a fake name by having sex with a phone store employee. You fucking dickheads @ slashdot are pathetic.

    How will you contact a fucking network that spies on you without contacting a fucking network that spies on you?

    Don't have service to it and transfer it later or stop playing James Bond world with your fuckin phone.

    Real world talk is use Orbot and Tutanota on Android, use iPhone if you want the dickshaped version that fits up your ass snugly.

    Oh yeah wait Mr. Putin and FSA.. i am going to work on some spy shit - while im against spy shit - and in Russia because I defected for disclosing the lies of the US government. Government means employees of the people.

  36. The Neo900 is good in this area by jonwil · · Score: 2

    The currently-in-development Neo900 project (which hit a few snags because PayPal are scumbags and withheld large chunks of project funding but seems to have recovered now that PayPal has released the money) has some features that will help with this.

    It contains physical hardware level off switches for phone radios/antennas (including a separate disconnect for the GPS antenna to prevent it from being able to do GPS location unless you enable it) but more importantly the design of the hardware means the baseband radios (including the cellular baseband module) have NO access to the main application processor or its RAM or Flash storage. All audio goes through the main application processor as well (meaning the baseband has no access to the microphone in the phone at all)

    As far as I am aware it will be possible to run the Neo900 and use its features (make calls, access the internet etc etc) using only open source software on the main application processor (so no blobs that could contain backdoors).

    No its not an iPhone or an Android device, no its not super-thin and super-light, no its not packing the latest super-powerful CPU and no it wont run Pokemon Go or Netflix but it will prevent bad actors (whoever they may be) from remotely activating your phones microphone and recording everything you say without your knowledge.

  37. Not their core function by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The core function of smart phones is not making calls, (even to the point that MMS is no longer defined as a telephony service) which is why so-called subversives want to use their phone. If one removes the battery, one cannot write memos, take photos, record interviews. Most phones use a SIM, which contains your billing details and it can be removed. Those telecom companies aren't going to spy on you for free, (yes, you're paying them to watch you) so the solution is obvious. Unlike 'dumb' phones without a SIM, your smart phone will still do everything else. Which means, that if one uses a roaming wi-fi service like Fon (or some domestic variant), tracking the handset may still be possible.

  38. Potential market for upscale Faraday cages. by dweller_below · · Score: 1
    I think there is a potential market for upscale Faraday cages. I mentioned this a while ago on BoingBoing.

    The more ostentatious, the better. It should be about the size and beauty of a fine humidor. Some would be gold, silver or platinum plated. But, you could also have ones that appeared to be mahogany, rosewood or teak. Market it as "The Privacy Box", or perhaps just pBox. You pitch it as a critical accessory for the upwardly mobile. When you absolutely need privacy, just put the phone in the "Pbox".

    Expensive lawyers would use it to reassure clients that they took their privacy seriously. C-level executives would use it to highlight the importance of their discussions. The ritual of placing the cell phones in the "Privacy Box" would help seal the deal.

    The primary attributes of this product would be:

    • * It must demonstrate "Tasteful Expense" like a fine watch.
    • * It must look good on an executive's desk.
    • * It must block the sensors of any cell phone that is placed inside.
    • * It must close with a smooth, audible click.

    For extra points, you could easily design it to:

    • * Restrict interaction between multiple cell phones in the same container, tho this isn't as critical as looking expensive.
    • * Automatically trigger airplane mode (to limit battery drain.)
    • * Recharge the phone(s).

    Wish I had the capability to make something that looked expensive and tasteful. I think this would sell itself.

  39. I have had multiple android phones trigger into... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on-air/mobile data/wifi mode when they had been set to airplane mode for days/months at a time. I live in an area that does have stingray flyovers, and both phones are chinese hardware rebadged by an American cellphone company.

    Phones were Android (both CM and vanilla, multiple generations of OS) and only run software out of the f-droid repositories, most selected to NOT require network privileges, save web browser and communications tools. None of those applications were running when the phones switched modes, and this has taken place over the span of months.

    Given the amount of personally identifiable information we keep on a cell phone every day, it should be very chilling to think of just how rapidly the entire contents could be exfiltrated from the device if data mode can be remotely triggered, and if the baseband modem (often also the initialization processor!) is controlled by an adversary, whether foreign or domestic. Blackmail, thoughtcrime prosecution, parallel construction, placement of false evidence. All of it is possible if control by the user and isolation between communications and processing sections are not retained in a mathematically verifiable manner. Not that modern computer systems are any more trustworthy, even if you exclude Windows 10 from the equation.

    At the rate we're going the only solution yet will be returning to the original Dark Net. I hope you've got your sneakers and floppy-equivalents ready. Because those are the only things that will have any chance of keeping your data secure.

    Both brands have been slashvertised previously.