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Google Fiber Reminds People It's a 'Real Business' (dslreports.com)

An anonymous reader writes: While Google Fiber gets a massive amount of media hype (justly based on its disruptive speed and price point), the reality is that despite numerous city "launches" -- not that many people can actually get the service. But while many ISPs and analysts have dismissed Google Fiber as an adorable experiment that will never impact them, many of these folks have been forced to changing their tune as Google Fiber's list of planned launch cities grows larger. In a profile piece over at USAToday, the company once again notes that while Google Fiber may have begun as a PR exercise, it's now dead serious about being a large, nationwide disruptive kick in the ass for incumbent broadband providers. "It is indeed a real business, and it's serving to increase competition as well, and that's something that we don't mind," Google Fiber boss and former Qualcomm exec Dennis Kish tells the paper. "We think it's healthy for the market and for consumers."

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  1. No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's a subsidiary of a real business, a business with billions of dollars in liquid capital that is currently sitting around doing nothing. They're only going slow because it's a strategy intended to force municipalities to carve out subsidies and dig the trenches for them.

  2. It'll always be a PR campaign by mandark1967 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    until I can get it...

    just sayin'

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  3. did that need clearing up? by Haymaker · · Score: 2
    Well if it was JUST a cute little experiment, it wouldn't accomplish what they want to do with it. If they want ISPs to get competitive they'll have to actually, yanno, compete.

    actually now that I think about it, why did this need to be pointed out? Did people think it was going to be temporary or something?

    1. Re:did that need clearing up? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      actually now that I think about it, why did this need to be pointed out?

      Because it's Google.

      Did people think it was going to be temporary or something?

      Yes. It's Google. They lose interest in everything that isn't search or email or maps. And maps is iffy. They forgot that search didn't earn billions overnight, and now have unreasonable expectations for everything else. If it doesn't earn hundreds of millions in its first year, it's deemed pathetic and gets abandoned. Google Fiber probably runs in the red. Making physical things happen is expensive. It will pay for itself in the long run, but Google is about as far away from the mindset of a utility as you can possibly get while remaining on the same planet. Waiting for a long run low margin payoff is not in their corporate DNA. The continued existence of Google Fiber is anomalous already. It will only get worse.

      So yes, that did need clearing up, and I'm still skeptical.

  4. Limited availablity. by bjwest · · Score: 2

    I live in a town of ~10,000. My great grandchildrens generation might see Google Fiber here.

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    1. Re:Limited availablity. by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      It's not nearly as simple as that. I have some friends that live in the mountains of east Tennessee. Guess what? They have gigabit fiber. Much faster than what I get in a city millions.

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    2. Re:Limited availablity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Without meaning to piss on your point too much:

      Texas = 695,662 km^2
      EU = 4.325 million km^2 (Both from Google)

      Or, the same size as 16% of the EU.
      Or, just under twice the size as Sweden with nearly four times the population density of Sweden.

  5. Spying? by XanC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is having Google be your ISP just asking for absolutely everything to be spied on?

    If I get it, I'm thinking of renting a cheap VPS and running all my traffic through that over an encrypted tunnel. How bad would latency be? Other thoughts?

    1. Re:Spying? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      As opposed to Verizon....

  6. Google giving the Business.. by lionchild · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of my small clients was able to get Small Business Google Fiber installed this last year. After the struggles of getting the physical installation going, things have been very nice. They like it very much, the way they expected it. However...

    Recently Google has contacted us to say our "introductory rates" will be ending the middle of 2017. They're moving to a 3-tier model for their fiber speeds. For $250 you can keep your 1 gigabit speed, for $150 (I think), you an go down to 250 megabits, and for $75 (or $100 maybe), you can go down to 100 megabits. If we don't update our choice by the end of July, 2017, they'll kick us down to 250 Mbps automatically.

    So, with the price change, that means we'll have to pay, basically, double to maintain our 1 Gbps, otherwise we lose 75% of our speed to pay the same price.

    Welcome to the "business."

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    1. Re:Google giving the Business.. by Cowclops · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Where I work, we pay more than $250 a month for 30 by 30 fiber from TWC. Its pretty reliable, but reliably slow at such a low cap speed. The 10x10 fiber we have at some locations comes in under $200 a month, but the symmetric speeds means the download is tough when you need to grab a big file like driver updates and whatnot.

      I'd love to pay $250 a month for business gigabit. Or $150 a month for 250.

      I'm not saying its completely ok to drop the speeds/increase the price, but as the other sibling post pointed out, they're pretty good prices for business internet even if its not as good as the "retroactively introductory" price.

    2. Re: Google giving the Business.. by b0bby · · Score: 2

      Do you really send a lot of data over the internet without encryption? Your email should all be over TLS at least, and any important web traffic would be https. Sure, they could tell which sites you visited, but so can any ISP.

    3. Re:Google giving the Business.. by swillden · · Score: 2

      That does suck, though...introductory rates and such are never guaranteed. Still, it beats my Comcast by a pretty wide margin - $70 gets me 30/10, and that's consumer-capped. I'd jump at the chance for 100/100 (or even 50) at $75.

      And you're only getting a consumer service level agreement which is, basically, that if it doesn't work they'll fix it when they get around to it. I'm sure the Google Fiber business class service includes a more typical business SLA, with defined maximum response times and compensation for excessive outages. That sort of SLA typically triples the price vs a consumer service with the same bandwidth.

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    4. Re: Google giving the Business.. by kqs · · Score: 2

      I think you are saying "I fear competent companies, so will only ever use incompetent companies".

      I believe that your philosophy dooms you to unhappiness and frustration.

  7. Basically, meh. by tsstahl · · Score: 2

    Until it is in my town, it doesn't exist.

  8. Re:Nope by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    Doesn't Philly already have a sort-of competition between FIOS and Comcast? Along with the difficulty of doing anything in the city of nepotism love, they may not see that as a priority.

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  9. Wishing on a star by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    I switch seasonally from a town in the SF bay area that has multiple options in ISP's and a very fast home service of 100mbps to Yuma AZ where I can barely get 15mbps from the only show in town for more money. While it pales in comparison to Gbps service just the addition of another competitor drove down the cost and increased bandwidth in the existing Comcast offerings. BTW I've mentioned before I love Astound/Wave communications, and TWC/Charter to be known as Spectrum communications SUCKS donkey genitalia.

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  10. But, Apparently, Rural Communities Don't Exist by CAOgdin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Out here in rural America (I'm near Lake Tahoe), we hear nothing but Big Business Buzz. I've got the best there is in the County Seat: 12 Mb/s, barely enough for my small business...but nothing near what it would take to attract significant business growth, because we're not "visible" enough, and the Republican congress has made sure there's been no money (even though most rural areas are as Red as Hell) for broadband through the Rural Utilities Service, or other federal medium.

    Google could create a massive economic boom in rural America...but "shareholder return" is more important to them than trying to help solve economic problems outside big cities. But, even Jack Welch, the original progenitor of "shareholder value" has now called it "the dumbest idea in the world."
    (See http://www.forbes.com/sites/st...)

    Even the Tennessee Valley Authority spawned the USDA's Rural Electrification Service to bring electricity to rural areas...back when politicians still gave a damn about their constituents' needs.

    So, Google, why won't you return my phone calls about serving rural markets? Are citizens in rural areas less VALUABLE to our Country, in your eyes? Where does YOUR food come from?

    1. Re:But, Apparently, Rural Communities Don't Exist by jratcliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Given how massively subsidized rural areas are already (and how overrepresented heavily rural small states are at the Federal level), it's pretty gutsy of you to demand even more. Once you start paying for my urban parking, I'll consider helping to fund your broadband.

  11. Thanks Google! by darkain · · Score: 2

    In my neighborhood, the options were city owned cable internet at 30mbps, Comcast at "50mbps" (we all know how accurate THAT really is), or Centurylink at only 3mbps!

    Thanks to the push of Google Fiber elsewhere in the country, the local ISP and Comcast have increased their speeds to about 150mbps, and Centurylink has pushed Gigabit Fiber, which I've been greatly enjoying since the beginning of the year. The only downside is that my monthly bill is roughly double that of Google Fiber in other cities. But considering it is only about $30 more than I was paying for the 30mbps down (and 6mbps up), the symmetrical gigabit connection has been more than worth the extra fee!

  12. I have Google Fiber, and it's amazing by Lothsahn · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a techie who actually has Google Fiber, it's been amazing. The first couple weeks were really rocky--random internet outages which were unexplainable.

    They sent a tech out, who'd never seen anything like it, and he's like "well, I guess I'll replace the network box, because I have no idea what it is." Worked great ever since.

    The only major disadvantage is they don't want you running your own router, and have actually hassled me for doing so. They offer just a fiber jack to businesses, but don't offer it for residential customers. Residential customers HAVE to use their "network box" (router). There are actually howtos on the internet of plugging into the fiber jack, if you have a managed switch and set the VLAN tags right.

    My speeds:
    I get 400 Mbit up/down over wireless (my own router)
    I get 900 Mbit up/down wired

    Speeds are constant, regardless of time of day, and no weird latency issues at all. I get a reliable 1ms ping to a friend who also has Google Fiber 15mi away, and I get very low pings to the rest of the world. It's hands down the best internet I've ever had. Customer service is friendly, too.

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  13. No it isn't by CrashNBrn · · Score: 3, Informative

    All of the Alphabet child companies have to be self supporting. I don't recall if the deadline has past yet or not. Which is why - if you've been paying attention - some things have already been divested, such as Boston Dynamics robotics.

  14. or to get the existing ISP's around the country... by publiclurker · · Score: 2

    to offer better service and prices. Google mainly want a big, affordable pipe to everyone. If they can get the existing service providers to do that, great, if not, they'll do it themselves. I've noticed that areas where Google announces that they are thinking about entering seems to suddenly get better prices and faster speeds from the people already in the area.

  15. ...and Google Fiber is a subsidiary of Alphabet by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2
    Google Fiber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On August 10, 2015, Google announced its intention to restructure the company, moving less central services and products into a new umbrella corporation, Alphabet Inc. As part of this restructuring plan, Google Fiber would become a subsidiary of Alphabet, and may become part of the "Access and Energy" business unit.[8]