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Clinton Campaign: Russia Leaked Emails to Help Trump (washingtonpost.com)

An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes the Washington Post: A top official with Hillary Clinton's campaign on Sunday accused the Russian government of orchestrating the release of damaging Democratic Party records in order to help the campaign of Republican Donald Trump -- and some cyber security experts in the U.S. and overseas agree. The extraordinary charge came as some national security officials have been growing increasingly concerned about possible efforts by Russia to meddle in the election, according to several individuals familiar with the situation.

Late last week, hours before the records were released by the website Wikileaks, the White House convened a high-level security meeting to discuss reports that Russia had hacked into systems at the Democratic National Committee... Officials from various intelligence and defense agencies, including the National Security Council, the Department of Defense, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, attended the White House meeting Thursday, on the eve of the email release.

Clinton's campaign manager told ABC News "some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump." Donald Trump's son later responded, "They'll say anything to be able to win this."

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  1. Cheesy 80's movie excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems like Hillary could have avoided all this by associating with non-corrupt people. Including herself.

    1. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't believe they're using "our emails were hacked by Russians" as their excuse.

      I mean, when you're in a hole, stop digging!

    2. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a vast left-wing conspiracy!

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    3. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by Hartree · · Score: 5, Funny

      But, but...

      The dog really did eat my homework!

    4. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WikiLeaks has shown great interest in anti-US material, and comparatively very little interest in anything that disparages Russia. Their bias has been analysed pretty thoroughly, and it calls their motives into question.

      No, not necessarily. You're assuming that it's equally easy to get damaging materials from both countries. That's an incorrect assumption.

      The explanation is simple: the US government does a horrible job with data security, and the Russian government is actually competent at it.

      Anyone who's worked in or with the US government and dealt with USG computer systems and IT people knows just how incompetent they are. It's no wonder they're constantly being hacked. And also remember, here in the US, if you're a competent computer security professional, there's plenty of great-paying work for you in the private sector, since the tech companies are doing so well in this country. Why would you waste your time going to work for the government for lousy pay and having to deal with ridiculous bureaucracy? You can't even purchase a $5 piece of equipment you need for your job without filling out a bunch of forms and then waiting 6 months (I'm not exaggerating). So the only people who take these jobs are the ones who are utterly incompetent.

      Over in Russia, things aren't the same; they don't have a booming tech sector like we do, so it's probably a pretty good move to go to work for the government there.

      If hackers can easily steal emails from US government systems, but Russian government systems are locked up tight, then it stands to reason that WikiLeaks would post lots of US stuff instead. You can't get blood from a stone.

    5. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by lucm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Over in Russia, things aren't the same; they don't have a booming tech sector like we do

      They have a booming tech sector: spam, botnets, credit card fraud, etc.

      And it's a real industry. Not happy with the stolen credit card numbers you bought? Call customer service and you get a discount on your next order.

      They make non-Russian organized crime look like drunk hooligans.

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    6. Re: Cheesy 80's movie excuse by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By not voting you waste your vote. By voting for an independent you will at least make a statement.

      It's the silent masses that allows for corruption to prosper.

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    7. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by iris-n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're overthinking it. The explanation is much simpler: Wikileaks was created and is run by English-speaking people, for whom it is much easier to make contact with sources and hackers that speak English. And the sources are going to leak from organizations in the US, because that is where they work. And the hackers are going to hack networks in the US, because these are the networks they know.

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    8. Re:Cheesy 80's movie excuse by Hodr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, he hires immigrants who will work for less.

  2. well well well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to me, unless you can show the integrity of the original messages was compromised, then the "who did it" does not matter as much as "what the emails say".

    now, if the messages were altered to promote an agenda, I agree with the Hillary Camp.

    if this is what the emails did say, then I feel we have a problem with the undermining of the vote of the people.

    1. Re:well well well by drnb · · Score: 5, Funny

      A bunch of petty, unethical DNC employees (which is highly shitty, no question) still pales compared to a Manchurian candidate.

      Given the Clinton's history of illegal political financial support from China it may be best not to mention Manchuria.

    2. Re:well well well by Fragnet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was watching the pea under the thimble there. Nice use of the phrase "working with". Don't think it wasn't noticed. We go from Russia leaking something in it's own interests, to the Republican Party being in cahoots with Russia in leaking DNC emails. This is all notwithstanding the fact that the DNC want you to believe that Russia leaked them, even if they didn't, to deflect attention away from their content - something you haven't really considered.

    3. Re:well well well by guises · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're making a mixed metaphor here. Clinton and Obama are not the ultra-rich, they're just regular rich, and they're the subjects of the contest (or the prizes, if you will) they're not the contestants.

    4. Re:well well well by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In neither case does it matter if the emails are real or not.

      Well, actually it does matter. If the emails are real -- and everything thus far indicates they are, including press releases from HRC's campaign and the resignation of the DNC chairwoman -- it shows systematic corruption within the DNC. Not that comes as any surprise. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was an unabashed Clinton supporter, carrying water for her at every opportunity. Only a fool could believe she was capable of running the DNC on an impartial basis.

      Unfortunately there are a lot of fools out there.

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    5. Re:well well well by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You must be using the newfangled definition of corruption, popular with people that aren't familiar with the word graft, that only includes actual cash bribes for services or lenience.

      Sorry to say that graft is only one type of corruption. Corruption is a broad thing. So broad that it is hard to pin down a concrete definition that includes everything and excludes nothing.that people consider to be corruption. The basic idea is that if a person is in an office or position of authority, and that authority is intended to be used for the benefit of some person or group, corruption is any time that person secretly uses their authority for their own benefit, or for the benefit of anyone other than the intended beneficiary, particularly when the intended is harmed or neglected in some way.

      Seen in that light, it is hard to pretend that the DNC isn't riddled with corruption from top to bottom. They had a duty to the nation's democrats to run the primary process in a manner specified by the rules, which included neutrality, transparency, etc. What happened instead?

      And it isn't enough that the DNC is corrupt, it is also corrupting. You read the exchanges with the press? Surprise, CNN and MSNBC see themselves are the propaganda wing of the democrat party. Is that what they told the FCC and the American people they were going to be doing?

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  3. Here's more credible evidence of Trump-Russia ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Trump actually lobbied to change the Republican platform to favor Russia over the Ukraine -- one of seven strange Russia connections clearly documented by Josh Marshall.

    "Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin," for example. And then there was the "secret financing" for a Soho real estate project from Russia and Kazakhstan. Even Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, "spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine."

    I haven't been following Trump's campaign closely, but his ties to Russia are really clear.

  4. Always the same with Hillary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why does Hillary always claim some sort of big conspiracy every time she gets caught doing something? Perhaps, she should just concentrate on keeping her nose clean to begin with.

    1. Re:Always the same with Hillary... by fred911 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Why does Hillary always claim some sort of big conspiracy every time she gets caught doing something? "

        Because most of the time she's dirty.

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    2. Re:Always the same with Hillary... by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the press always lets her. Because anyone else would be gone after one or 2 times, but the Clintons keep getting a pass for scandal after scandal after scandal, always ensuring there will be yet another scandal in the seemingly endless list. Because the Democrats across the country lost so many elections in the past few years that there's no one else in the party with national stature who can mount a successful campaign. Because calling the other side "racist" is seen as an acceptable substitute for acting ethically or having any sort of thoughts on policy.

  5. First, kill the messenger by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is always step one when dealing with a whistleblower? Try to distract the press by yammering nonstop about the whistleblower, and deflect every question about the leaked documents back to the leaker's motivations, integrity, etc.

    Of course, given the content of the emails, I suspect that DWS has already given the marching orders to CNN and MSNBC so that the party doesn't have to dirty their hands by acting all shifty and evasive on TV.

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  6. Horse Hockey by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the Russians wanted to help Trump they would release some "they weren't classified when on my server" emails that they got from her bathroom server.

    You don't think the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, et all didn't hack that server? You're naive.

  7. Email Smeemail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Story about how she received bribes for allowing Russia to buy 20% of the USA uranium production. She clearly stated how she wouldn't take foreign donations to her foundation while at state, would ask for a waiver to do it if it came up, and would disclose if it happened. She took the bribe, didn't ask for a waiver, didn't disclose it, and failed to report it on her taxes and had to amend them years later after she was caught. She showed "Intent" in hiding the donations because they were bribes. This isn't even questionable campaign donations, this is direct bribes to her for approving something the State Department wouldn't normally even consider.

    I'm not sure why people bring up her email scandal. As bad as it was, it wasn't taking bribes from Russia for State Department favours while she was in charge.

    How is she even possibly considered for the DNC nomination after this came out?

  8. Pot meet Kettle by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Donald Trump's son later responded, "They'll say anything to be able to win this."

    Ya, *they*.

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  9. Slashdot: Clinton Campaign mouthpiece. by bongey · · Score: 5, Informative

    The slashdot editors post a Russian conspiracy plot , meanwhile there is strong evidence twitter is suppressing the entire dnc leaks topic. Are we going to start posting 9/11 was an inside job stories?

  10. Re:doesn't matter by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Informative

    If anybody outside the Democratic party can leak these E-mails, then Hillary didn't take sufficient care of them and can't be trusted with national security secrets. Thanks, Hillary, for confirming this once again.

    They were stolen from DNC systems. They contain email related to the election not national security issues.

    ... discuss reports that Russia had hacked into systems at the Democratic National Committee.

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  11. Why would Putin fear Clinton? by drnb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Putin has every reason to prefer a buffoon like Trump over Clinton.

    Why would Putin fear Clinton? He has beaten her repeatedly in the arena of foreign policy. What was her foreign policy experience prior to becoming secretary of state? She accompanied Bill on some trips and visited hospital and schools with the other wives while the Bill and the other actual players met elsewhere and discussed the issues and problems of the day?

    I'm not trying to be sexist, women are perfectly capable at doing the job be it SOS or POTUS, but this particular person's experience was PR fluff stuff not actual foreign policy. When that crisis happened on the other side of the world and the phone rang at 3am she answered the phone and passed it to Bill saying "its for you".

    She was made Secretary of State in 2008 for one and only one reason. To get the Clinton political machine behind Obama, to bind her future to his. This "machine" still controlled the Democratic party, and still does to this day as we saw with Sanders. To offer her something credible for her resume for her next attempt at the office of POTUS as a consolation promise. She was not selected because of her foreign policy experience, there was none, and her performance indicates on the job training didn't help her much.

    She really is in the same league as Trump with respect to foreign policy, neither to be feared by the Russians.

    1. Re:Why would Putin fear Clinton? by gumbi+west · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Putin has stated that he wants to destabilize/topple NATO. Trump has a pretty clear goal of destabilizing/weakening/ending NATO. It's really not that hard to see.

    2. Re:Why would Putin fear Clinton? by drnb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Trump can't even run a business.

      I think that is political BS. IF I understand things correctly each project is usually a different corporation. Different investors for different projects, one failed project won't impact other projects, a failure doesn't impact anyone personally, etc. Basically look up all the reasons you want an S-Corp or LLC rather than a sole proprietorship for your own business. I think his bankruptcies are several of these projects failing. If only several projects failed out of dozens he's doing pretty well.

      ... and while Trump is busy making a mess of the US economy ...

      Compared to the Clinton era prosperity which was the smoke and mirrors of the Internet Bubble, which began bursting as Bill was leaving office? Like the relaxing of home loan standards that began under the Clinton administration, at their encouragement to help underdeveloped communities, that led in part to the banking crisis? Like the current economy that after how many years under Obama still needs massive stimulus and near zero interest rates to barely limp along? I'm not endorsing Trump or anything but lets not pretend the last couple Democratic administrations knew what they were doing.

  12. Re:Wasserman-Shultz will get a job in administrati by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bernie supporters get some meaningless words in the party platform. Clinton supporters get positions of power.

    Oh, I'm sorry. Were you unaware the system was rigged long ago? Between the DNC's internal schemes to anoint Hillary and whole idea of "superdelegates," you don't have much in the way of say-so about who gets the DNC nomination. "But trust us," the DNC says. "We know better than you who's fit to rule you."

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  13. Re: They'll say anything by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

    I follow the Syrian conflict very closely and there's a new hospital or clinic hit by airstrikes about once a week on average... sometimes more, sometimes less. It's not always clear which airforce (Syrian or Russian) is doing it, but more often than not when the distinction can be determined it's Russian. There was a multiple clinic hit in Idlib about a week ago, while an ambulance was hit in Aleppo 4 days ago.

    It's really a meat grinder over there :(

    A lot of the time the hits on civilian targets are accidental. Sometimes they're on purpose. Most of what Russia uses, and virtually all of what the Syrian air force uses, are "dumb bombs". For the past month the vast majority of Russia's air power has been directed at north Aleppo (Handaraat / al-Mallah, primarily), so there's been a great amount of white phosphorus and cluster bombs, but in denser-populated areas near Castello Road they use a lot more high explosives. So there's a lot of potential for accidental hits. On the other hand, in many cases it's hard to interpret the attacks as anything but deliberate attacks, particularly on hospitals that are treating wounded rebels - multiple hits on the same target, targets with no conflict in the immediate area, with no obvious targets of value nearby, etc. They do a lot of "double tap" hits on them as well.

    Just in case anyone isn't aware... this isn't "ISIS" that they're focusing on. Daesh (ISIS) doesn't exist in Aleppo, let alone Idlib (further), let alone Latakia (even further), let alone the freaking Jordanian border which they've been bombing recently much to the anger of the Pentagon (whose "New Syrian Army" is there trying to take Al-Bukamal from Daesh and cut off Daesh traffic to and from Iraq). When they do bomb Daesh, it''s overwhelmingly in two areas: Palmyra and Deir ez Zour. The latter is a Syrian government pocket in the middle of Daesh territory that they've been struggling to hang onto for a long time, against constant assault. The former is well known. One exception: the government forces, with some Russian air support, tried an assault from Ithyria toward the Daesh city of al-Taqbah, but they were basically baited into a trap and suffered massive losses. They retreated back to Ithriya and haven't retried since then.

    Oh, and while we're talking about Syria, two things of mention:

    1) The massive "factory of death" southwest of al-Safira exploded last week, with a huge earthquake that rattled houses 50km away, was visible 75km away and audible 100km away. Hopefully that'll reduce the barrel bomb and elephant rocket attacks... at least somewhat...

    2) There's a lot of chatter that Nusra is imminently going to break with al-Qaeda. This would be huge if it happens, but I'll trust it when I see it.

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  14. Re:No one will be ruled by Trump even if he wins by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congress is only able to vote a declaration of war up or down; the President is the one who decides to go to war, or not.

    That is so wrong. Congress controls the money for the war. No funding for the war and there is no war. The President only gets to suggest spending, Congress has to actually write the spending bill.

    he wants a closer working relationship between the US and Russia

    So does Hillary, remember her big "reset" on our relationship with Russia?

    he thinks NATO is a "bad deal" for the USA

    And treaties have to be ratified by Congress.

    he might disregard the key part of the NATO covenant pledging assistance to a member that has been attacked by an external foe, i.e. the Baltic States by Russia

    Sort of like the assurances the Ukraine got regarding its territorial integrity from the US in exchange for giving up its nukes?

    So to say that the POTUS is just a figurehead is nonsense. Look what Bush and Cheney did in Iraq in 2003.

    Wrong again, recall that Hillary and the rest of Congress gave them the authority and funding for the war.

  15. RUSSIA MADE US LOOK BAD! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By letting you KNOW what we REALLY think and how AWFUL we ACTUALLY behave!

    BLAME RUSSIA!

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