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Facebook Admits Blocking WikiLeaks' DNC Email Links, But Won't Say Why (thenextweb.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook has admitted it blocked links to WikiLeaks' DNC email dump, but the company has yet to explain why. WikiLeaks has responded to the censorship via Twitter, writing: "For those facing censorship on Facebook etc when trying to post links directly to WikiLeaks #DNCLeak try using archive.is." When SwiftOnSecurity tweeted, "Facebook has an automated system for detecting spam/malicious links, that sometimes have false positives. /cc," Facebook's Chief Security Officer Alex Stamos replied with, "It's been fixed." As for why there was a problem in the first place, we don't know. Nate Swanner from The Next Web writes, "It's possible its algorithm incorrectly identified them as malicious, but it's another negative mark on the company's record nonetheless. WikiLeaks is a known entity, not some torrent dumping ground. The WikiLeaks link issue has reportedly been fixed, which is great -- but also not really the point. The fact links to the archive was blocked at all suggests there's a very tight reign on what's allowed on Facebook across the board, and that's a problem." A Facebook representative provided a statement to Gizmodo: "Like other services, our anti-spam systems briefly flagged links to these documents as unsafe. We quickly corrected this error on Saturday evening."

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  1. Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by HexaByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook is in the tank for the DNC and Hillary. Just look at who all the big-wigs their support with their contribution dollars.

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    1. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To add to the horror of their Turkey leak: the information about female voters doesn't just include their names, addresses, phone numbers, and equivalents of social security numbers. It also includes whether they are members or not of Erdogan's AKP party. At a time when the country is in the middle of a bloody post-coup purge.

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    2. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, dailykos and Huffpo really shilling for the DNC, huh? The number of hit pieces is pretty hilarious and transparent.

    3. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      That isn't remotely anti-semitic, it's wikileaks having no clue what that means and noticing that it's become another substanceless way to virtue-signal among social justice circles. The idea that it's anti-semitic is a pathetically transparent smear campaign by the regressive left against an organization that opposes everything they stand for.

      If you want to see REAL anti-semitism just look at the regressive left's support for openly genocidal terrorist organizations, and groups which attack and harass jewish students.

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    4. Re: Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      it's wikileaks having no clue what that means and noticing that it's become another substanceless way to virtue-signal among social justice circles.... a pathetically transparent smear campaign by the regressive left...

      Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I was just talking about. The parentheses WERE anti-semitic, then people started using them on their own in protest, then it became nothing more than another way to virtue signal among regressive social justice warriors who are ironically enough one of the biggest sources of anti-semitism today.

      Wikileaks came along well after that point and noticed that most of the shittiest people they were dealing with had parentheses on their names and problem glasses.

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  2. Because money by mveloso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clinton is the corporate candidate this cycle. Why would corporations want to harm the candidate that's fighting for them?

    1. Re:Because money by mveloso · · Score: 2

      As an aside, this may be the first election where corporations donate more money to the Democrats than to the Republicans.

      That's outside of the money they've already "donated" to the Clintons.

    2. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clinton is the corporate candidate this cycle.

      That's the most concise explanation of why Trump will win that I've seen yet. It also explains why a Sanders voter would willingly switch to become a Trump voter, even though they are different in many ways.

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    3. Re:Because money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, they think that a temporary block provides enough of a pause to stop things from going full viral before a response can be issued. Viral transfer of information can't continue if the links don't work. While the Streisand Effect is bad, viral transfer is WORSE, because it is associated with real people (your friends / family) and you are more likely to re-post the information. The Streisand Effect may make people generally aware that someone has done something bad but specific links from your friends / family's facebook pages have a much higher impact than reading about it on slashdot the next day when after denial and false narratives have been spun.

      The entire Clinton playbook is based on denying the truth, spinning an alternate/false narrative, misdirecting attention to something else and trying to move on. The formula has worked incredibly well because blind supporters a) believe the denial, b) can use the false narrative in conversation and c) the topic passes before supporters run out of stamina on defending the topic.

      Blocking the viral spread allows time to deny and generate the false narratives, before the Streisand Effect can take hold. Plus, Facebook has the ultimate excuse they use EVERY TIME - "spam filter" or "careless employee" or "automatic script" etc. What facebook using Hillary lover is not going to believe the story?

    4. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they have terrible critical thinking skills and fall for dumb conspiracy theories?

      I don't know about their critical thinking, but there was a real conspiracy here, the evidence is right there on Wikileaks......

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    5. Re:Because money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding me? Clinton is getting money from tons of "Republicans". I use the term loosely because they are only really affiliated with the party that gives them favors. The consensus is you can't trust Trump to give you favors because... he doesn't NEED YOU the way the Clinton's need donors. It is almost somewhat ironic that one of the Clinton's assets is that they rely on a stream of donations to make a living. Its like a symbiotic relationship - everyone knows the Clinton's will follow through with promises - or at least try really hard - because those kept promises mean a continued revenue stream. Without that revenue stream they lose power and the ability to pay bribes to those that don't need the Clinton's.

      Trump doesn't need the revenue and even if it was given to him, he has political quid pro quo scorecard like the Clintons. Further, it appears Trump has the desire to play the opposite side of the coin this election - publilyc announcing he won't play the quid pro quo game.

      This means that anyone who wants any level of influence over the next administration only has ONE option: Clinton. Many people want influence for many reasons ranging from blocking/supporting specific legislation that could affect literally any/every industry, to government contracts, to jobs in the administration, to foreign policy, to making criminal acts go away, etc. Basically - every business owner, every lawyer, every banker, and every political hopeful, every government employee, etc. has reason to want to influence over the next president. And if you think Clinton doesn't have a little black book with every name and a number next to it... well... there is no hope for you.

    6. Re:Because money by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      You seem to think that the "dumb conspiracy theories" comment was flippant. It wasn't. It is part n parcel of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" claim by Clintonistas. Everything they don't like is a "conspiracy" so it is dismissed. Even when it turns out to be true. This isn't the first time it has been tossed around, and I doubt it will be the last ...

      Oh hey look, https://newrepublic.com/minute...

      The Clinton Playbook page 105

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    7. Re:Because money by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      The "smoking gun" that you've mentioned is sufficient to see a number of things in a new light. For example, the debate schedule. It was long claimed by Sanders supporters that it was intentional to undermine him, but before the DNC email leak, the party could always (rightly) say "prove it". Now that the leaks have demonstrated general bias, as well as specific desire of at least some of the members to actually translate that to actions, the reasonable default assumption, on the balance of probabilities, is that the schedule was, indeed, intentionally skewed; and DNC has to do something to prove it otherwise.

    8. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can you not consider superdelegates to be corruption? What exactly do you consider to be corruption?

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    9. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      but since you guys own hypocrisy like it's no one's business, you quickly grab that flag and hoist it high because it suits your purposes.

      Hypocrisy is only an issue with people I don't agree with.

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    10. Re: Because money by Zak3056 · · Score: 2

      Yes. Not for profit. Not for profit what?

      This is my main problem with people who complain about the Citizens United decision--none of them ever seem to stop to think about what a "corporation" is, they just yell "four legs good, two legs bad" and talk about "corporate personhood," ignoring the real problems with the idea that people acting in concert (i.e. "corporate entities") should not have the same rights as people acting independently.

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    11. Re:Because money by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      corrupt by design is still corrupt

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  3. The party line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just like they were censoring conservative news stories.

    http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006

    No accident...the party line.

  4. The fix is in by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will people wake up and realize the fix is in? You know those ties between the media and the Democrats that the right complained about for years? Have you realized yet that the question about using facebook to prevent a Trump presidency wasn't rhetorical?

    Bernie's supporters have started to wake up and realize that they are just as excluded as the right. The only difference now is that things are being exposed in plain text for the world to see. Only big business and congress have worse credibility ratings that the media.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159...

    Wake up sheeple.

    1. Re: The fix is in by slew · · Score: 2

      Bernie supporters got swindled out of 220+ million dollars to see Bernie be a shill for Hillary.

      So if someone named Bernie "made off" with your money, should you be
          A. mad at Bernie,
          B. mad at yourself for letting yourself getting swindled,
          C. mad at the system, OR
          D. all of the above
      Just curious...

    2. Re: The fix is in by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

      Sanders stated up front that he would endorse the nominee. The party was the one doing the swindling. He kept his word even tho the situation sucks hard.

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    3. Re: The fix is in by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bernie supporters got swindled out of 220+ million dollars to see Bernie be a shill for Hillary.

      So if someone named Bernie "made off" with your money, should you be A. mad at Bernie, B. mad at yourself for letting yourself getting swindled, C. mad at the system, OR D. all of the above Just curious...

      or E. mad at the Russians (This choice was paid for by the Clinton Campaign)

  5. Re:Ok, so what? by galabar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being blatantly partisan would harm their business (by insulting their Republican and Independent user base). As a public company, they have a fiscal duty to not place personal political beliefs above the interests of the company (or a shareholder lawsuit might ensue).

    If there is a "Filter out any negative Hillary Clinton news until we get enough pressure to release it" filter, then they are setting themselves up for trouble.

  6. The truth by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "our anti-spam systems briefly flagged links to these documents as unsafe."

    The truth has a long tradition of being considered dangerous.

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  7. Re:Ok, so what? by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just curious, did you defend Microsoft as a private Monopoly? Do you realize that Facebook has over 1 billion people on their platform and that they effectively have a monopoly on social media? Do you think it's okay for a monopoly to abuse their position to promote a particular ideology? Would you feel the same way if they promoted right wing content instead?

  8. Re:Ok, so what? by Tailhook · · Score: 2

    they can do no wrong?

    Of course. The exact same phenomena occurred when we learned about their biased grooming of their news feed. All of the sudden corporate sovereignty was paramount! Never had so much love for Facebook appeared among the cubical trolls of Slashdot.

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  9. Sometime a delay is helpful by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So your theory is that FB understands nothing about social networks and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.

    Slow the story for a few days and it doesn't disrupt the news coverage of the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia. The goal is not necessarily to bury the info, sometime a delay is helpful.

  10. Welcome to Libertarianism by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are a private company. They can filter, block, promote any speech that they want.

    I always said the same about TV and radio companies, but various Statists from FCC and FEC down to Slashdot cowards always disagreed.

    Good to see some turnaround in public opinion towards liberty. Except, oh, wait, TV, radio, and even web-sites may not be able to do what they want... Even texting in support of a candidate may be illegal.

    Unless, obviously, the candidate is from the Party of Government. For a few decades we had something called Fairness Doctrine, which allowed FCC to enforce "fairness". Libertarians fought it, but at least, with it on the books, one could formally complain against "unfair" coverage. Not any more — with only 7% of journalists being Republicans, the game is played with only one set of goal-posts...

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    1. Re:Welcome to Libertarianism by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Welcome to insanity.

      When a given company represents 90% of the daily information stream of your average citizen, it is a monopoly. Any attempt to challenge that will have to run against an extremely high barrier to entry established by said monopoly. It doesn't mean that it can't be unseated - but doing so requires immense resources, and even then would take many years.

      In the meantime, we need a way to ensure that citizens actually get all information that is relevant to their vote, rather than the one that our monopolist decided to tell them. An idealistic libertarian would say that, by choosing FB, they implicitly give permission for such screening. A pragmatist would acknowledge that vast majority of FB users didn't actually think about it at all, and didn't realize that they're setting themselves up for an information bubble. A pragmatist would also acknowledge that making the public more informed is more important than giving FB freedom to censor whatever they want.

  11. Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It also explains why a Sanders voter would willingly switch to become a Trump voter

    Bernie will cave in and endorse Hillary so he is not ostracized in Congress and given no committee appointments and otherwise made irrelevant.

    Bernie voters will largely be good little Democrats loyal to the party and vote for Hillary. And they wonder why they are ignored. When a voter is loyal to a party they are irrelevant, the party already has their vote and need not appease them.

    Bernie voters enjoy the few symbolic lines you get in a meaningless party platform that no one ever honors, symbolic lines just like every other forgotten group got in previous party platforms.

    1. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bernie told the BernieBots today that they need to vote for Hillary. He got booed by his audience. They really don't like Hillary, though I can't see them voting Trump.

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  12. Redundancy by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Only big business and congress

    But sir, you repeat yourself.

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  13. Re:Ok, so what? by budgenator · · Score: 2

    It's even giving me pause how deep the roots of Amazon and Facebook go in the internet, the only thing that surprises me now isn't how long ads for something I've looked at follow me, but that they don't stop after I've finally bought it.

    One bizarre thing I've notice is a lot of links on Facebook to Uber-Conservative sites are redirecting to sites that my anti-virus is blocking in the last few days. I thought it was just my paranoia over some wonky adds served up on the sites, but now I'm not so sure. Seems like with all of the programming chops they have, it would be trivial to insert some malicious adverts into sites they disagree with philosophically.

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  14. Re:Same as with all other Democrat institutions by Bartles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When did Republicans do it? For that matter when did Facebook or Twitter, remove information that made Republicans look bad?

  15. Re:Ok, so what? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Computers are compromised all the time, and published docs on Wikileaks all the time. IF you start punishing Wikileaks now, you're just saying THIS time is too far, and all those other times ... not so much.

    That is kind of the whole point of Wikileaks, and has been. So, unless this is your latest protest in a long line of protests against Wikileaks, you're just a closet shill. I would protest against Wikileaks, except this time, the far left which has been feeding off Wikileaks for years, has finally been Leaked as being exactly what I always thought they were. That, and very few on the left cared about those being hacked and released to Wikileaks before Friday, so turn about is fair play IMHO. Karma is a bitch.

    And for the record, I am a Libertarian. Karma is a bitch unless you stand on principles even when they don't work in your favor. My only joy in this is that the Press cannot hide this shit from view, and we're all seeing exactly how the 5th estate has been carrying Clinton's baggage around. It is also kind of fun watching the cognitive dissonance from Hillary Supporters trying to defend the indefensible. I expect the silence from normal DNC trolls to last only a short while (next time Trump inserts foot into mouth)

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  16. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by ScentCone · · Score: 2

    And then it just continues in plain sight?

    Yes, actually, it does. You've seen multiple examples of this surrounding Hillary Clinton and her operatives in the DNC in the last days and weeks. With Clinton, you've seen it for years. Are you actually surprised?

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