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Facebook Admits Blocking WikiLeaks' DNC Email Links, But Won't Say Why (thenextweb.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook has admitted it blocked links to WikiLeaks' DNC email dump, but the company has yet to explain why. WikiLeaks has responded to the censorship via Twitter, writing: "For those facing censorship on Facebook etc when trying to post links directly to WikiLeaks #DNCLeak try using archive.is." When SwiftOnSecurity tweeted, "Facebook has an automated system for detecting spam/malicious links, that sometimes have false positives. /cc," Facebook's Chief Security Officer Alex Stamos replied with, "It's been fixed." As for why there was a problem in the first place, we don't know. Nate Swanner from The Next Web writes, "It's possible its algorithm incorrectly identified them as malicious, but it's another negative mark on the company's record nonetheless. WikiLeaks is a known entity, not some torrent dumping ground. The WikiLeaks link issue has reportedly been fixed, which is great -- but also not really the point. The fact links to the archive was blocked at all suggests there's a very tight reign on what's allowed on Facebook across the board, and that's a problem." A Facebook representative provided a statement to Gizmodo: "Like other services, our anti-spam systems briefly flagged links to these documents as unsafe. We quickly corrected this error on Saturday evening."

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  1. Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by HexaByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook is in the tank for the DNC and Hillary. Just look at who all the big-wigs their support with their contribution dollars.

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    1. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To add to the horror of their Turkey leak: the information about female voters doesn't just include their names, addresses, phone numbers, and equivalents of social security numbers. It also includes whether they are members or not of Erdogan's AKP party. At a time when the country is in the middle of a bloody post-coup purge.

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    2. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, dailykos and Huffpo really shilling for the DNC, huh? The number of hit pieces is pretty hilarious and transparent.

    3. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Rei · · Score: 1

      The articles are mainly just screenshots of Wikileaks tweets. Do you have any substance to add to the issue, or is "the website that posted screenshots" all that you have?

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    4. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Rei · · Score: 1

      As an example: here's the raw "it wasn't an error" tweet from Wikileaks confirming that they doxxed on purpose.

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    5. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by blackfeltfedora · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, wasn't one of Facebook's Board members one of the headline speakers at the RNC last week?

    6. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Can you name him? If you can't, then probably not.

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    7. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Peter Thiel. Kind of like a Silicon Valley Unicorn. He might be the only big shot there to support Trump. Some people love to be hated.

    8. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      That isn't remotely anti-semitic, it's wikileaks having no clue what that means and noticing that it's become another substanceless way to virtue-signal among social justice circles. The idea that it's anti-semitic is a pathetically transparent smear campaign by the regressive left against an organization that opposes everything they stand for.

      If you want to see REAL anti-semitism just look at the regressive left's support for openly genocidal terrorist organizations, and groups which attack and harass jewish students.

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    9. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Wow, dailykos and Huffpo really shilling for the DNC, huh? The number of hit pieces is pretty hilarious and transparent.

      Where have you been? Under a rock? Those orgs started out biased and have never been anything else.

    10. Re: Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      it's wikileaks having no clue what that means and noticing that it's become another substanceless way to virtue-signal among social justice circles.... a pathetically transparent smear campaign by the regressive left...

      Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I was just talking about. The parentheses WERE anti-semitic, then people started using them on their own in protest, then it became nothing more than another way to virtue signal among regressive social justice warriors who are ironically enough one of the biggest sources of anti-semitism today.

      Wikileaks came along well after that point and noticed that most of the shittiest people they were dealing with had parentheses on their names and problem glasses.

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    11. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by atgaaa · · Score: 1

      Facebook uses humans to edit content, these are not accidents.

    12. Re:Facebook is in the tank for the DNC by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Facebook is in the tank for the DNC and Hillary. Just look at who all the big-wigs their support with their contribution dollars.

      Yep.

      I'm a Democrat and I think Debbie Waserman-Shultz should be prosecuted for subverting the democratic process, along with all her cohorts.

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  2. Same as with all other Democrat institutions by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Troll

    The illegal / immoral / ethically questionable activity will continue until someone catches it.

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    1. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Yes we did.

    2. Re:Same as with all other Democrat institutions by Bartles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When did Republicans do it? For that matter when did Facebook or Twitter, remove information that made Republicans look bad?

    3. Re:Same as with all other Democrat institutions by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Never.

    4. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      And then it just continues in plain sight?

      Yes, actually, it does. You've seen multiple examples of this surrounding Hillary Clinton and her operatives in the DNC in the last days and weeks. With Clinton, you've seen it for years. Are you actually surprised?

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    5. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Lol. Is that so?

    6. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I like that, Republicans are elitists and rednecks. That's a perfect blend. It looks like the rednecks finally took the party away from the elitists this year. They picked a rich Yankee Redneck. It's so fucking hilarious. This is the best election ever if you enjoy chaos and confusion. If we don't get a viable third party candidate this year you know it'll never happen again in a century or more. I figure 40 percent of the people will vote for Hilliary because she's the Democratic nominee. 40 percent will vote for Trump because of his one good point, he's not Hilliary. That leaves 20 percent who are probably sitting there going "What the fuck?" Think of all the negative TV ads! There can't really be a positive campaign because there's not much positive to say about either party's choice. I fucking love it!

    7. Re:Same as with all other Democrat institutions by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      When did Republicans do it? For that matter when did Facebook or Twitter, remove information that made Republicans look bad?

      What do you think they just did? The only way the GOP could out-neocon Hillary would be to nominate Kissinger, and the only way they could out-corrupt her would be to nominate Madoff.

    8. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by Bartles · · Score: 1

      And right now, Hillary is losing to a Yankee Redneck.

    9. Re: Same as with all other Democrat institutions by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      This is like preseason football. It means nothing.

  3. Because money by mveloso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clinton is the corporate candidate this cycle. Why would corporations want to harm the candidate that's fighting for them?

    1. Re:Because money by mveloso · · Score: 2

      As an aside, this may be the first election where corporations donate more money to the Democrats than to the Republicans.

      That's outside of the money they've already "donated" to the Clintons.

    2. Re:Because money by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Clinton is the corporate candidate this cycle. Why would corporations want to harm the candidate that's fighting for them?

      So your theory is that FB understands nothing about social networks and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.

      The link was blocked for a short period and then unblocked, this is perfectly consistent with an anti-spam system, that's a narrative that makes sense.

      Simply blocking the link to suppress the news, that's not a narrative that makes sense. It draws attention to the censorship which looks bad on FB and throws more attention on the docs themselves.

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    3. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Clinton is the corporate candidate this cycle.

      That's the most concise explanation of why Trump will win that I've seen yet. It also explains why a Sanders voter would willingly switch to become a Trump voter, even though they are different in many ways.

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    4. Re:Because money by guises · · Score: 1

      You know... I was just going to dismiss that, like all the rest of the election bullshit, but Trump is unstable enough that I wonder if that could be true. Could Hillary be getting money from otherwise Republican donors, just for the sake of having some predictability?

    5. Re:Because money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, they think that a temporary block provides enough of a pause to stop things from going full viral before a response can be issued. Viral transfer of information can't continue if the links don't work. While the Streisand Effect is bad, viral transfer is WORSE, because it is associated with real people (your friends / family) and you are more likely to re-post the information. The Streisand Effect may make people generally aware that someone has done something bad but specific links from your friends / family's facebook pages have a much higher impact than reading about it on slashdot the next day when after denial and false narratives have been spun.

      The entire Clinton playbook is based on denying the truth, spinning an alternate/false narrative, misdirecting attention to something else and trying to move on. The formula has worked incredibly well because blind supporters a) believe the denial, b) can use the false narrative in conversation and c) the topic passes before supporters run out of stamina on defending the topic.

      Blocking the viral spread allows time to deny and generate the false narratives, before the Streisand Effect can take hold. Plus, Facebook has the ultimate excuse they use EVERY TIME - "spam filter" or "careless employee" or "automatic script" etc. What facebook using Hillary lover is not going to believe the story?

    6. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they have terrible critical thinking skills and fall for dumb conspiracy theories?

      I don't know about their critical thinking, but there was a real conspiracy here, the evidence is right there on Wikileaks......

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    7. Re:Because money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you kidding me? Clinton is getting money from tons of "Republicans". I use the term loosely because they are only really affiliated with the party that gives them favors. The consensus is you can't trust Trump to give you favors because... he doesn't NEED YOU the way the Clinton's need donors. It is almost somewhat ironic that one of the Clinton's assets is that they rely on a stream of donations to make a living. Its like a symbiotic relationship - everyone knows the Clinton's will follow through with promises - or at least try really hard - because those kept promises mean a continued revenue stream. Without that revenue stream they lose power and the ability to pay bribes to those that don't need the Clinton's.

      Trump doesn't need the revenue and even if it was given to him, he has political quid pro quo scorecard like the Clintons. Further, it appears Trump has the desire to play the opposite side of the coin this election - publilyc announcing he won't play the quid pro quo game.

      This means that anyone who wants any level of influence over the next administration only has ONE option: Clinton. Many people want influence for many reasons ranging from blocking/supporting specific legislation that could affect literally any/every industry, to government contracts, to jobs in the administration, to foreign policy, to making criminal acts go away, etc. Basically - every business owner, every lawyer, every banker, and every political hopeful, every government employee, etc. has reason to want to influence over the next president. And if you think Clinton doesn't have a little black book with every name and a number next to it... well... there is no hope for you.

    8. Re:Because money by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      You seem to think that the "dumb conspiracy theories" comment was flippant. It wasn't. It is part n parcel of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" claim by Clintonistas. Everything they don't like is a "conspiracy" so it is dismissed. Even when it turns out to be true. This isn't the first time it has been tossed around, and I doubt it will be the last ...

      Oh hey look, https://newrepublic.com/minute...

      The Clinton Playbook page 105

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    9. Re:Because money by Bartles · · Score: 1, Troll

      Bullshit, that will never happen. You do realize that Unions are corporations?

    10. Re:Because money by bodog · · Score: 1

      "Trump doesn't need the revenue" Big assumption! basis please?

    11. Re:Because money by khallow · · Score: 1

      So your theory is that FB understands nothing about social networks and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.

      And I'd say the current story is supporting evidence for the claim that FB just might not understand social networks as much as it should.

    12. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That was obvious all along, and perfectly fine as long as they weren't favouring a candidate in their duties.

      Clearly you haven't heard of the superdelegates going to Clinton before a single vote was cast.

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    13. Re:Because money by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      The "smoking gun" that you've mentioned is sufficient to see a number of things in a new light. For example, the debate schedule. It was long claimed by Sanders supporters that it was intentional to undermine him, but before the DNC email leak, the party could always (rightly) say "prove it". Now that the leaks have demonstrated general bias, as well as specific desire of at least some of the members to actually translate that to actions, the reasonable default assumption, on the balance of probabilities, is that the schedule was, indeed, intentionally skewed; and DNC has to do something to prove it otherwise.

    14. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can you not consider superdelegates to be corruption? What exactly do you consider to be corruption?

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    15. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Trump isn't going to win. Sanders voters will bitch and moan and then vote for Hilliary. Maybe as many as 10 percent will either vote for Trump or more likely just stay home. Hilliary was always going to be the Democratic nominee. It was decided well before the primary ever kicked off. Sanders wasted a lot of time and money and he never had a chance. The entire party machine was out to get him from the start. The Republicans fucked up and let Trump get on a roll and then the fact they had a field of 16 or so candidates weakened the establishment's boy wonder !Jeb. If they had only had !Jeb and maybe some nobody and then Trump the outcome would have been totally different. The establishment candidates basically held each other back while Trump took the "I'm fucking fed up with this shit" vote. By the time the arrogant idiots figured out what was happening it was too late. Most likely though, Trump will do better than any of the other dweebs that ran for the Republican nomination would have done. He's going to give Hilliary holy hell and I'm going to enjoy watching it but in the end he's going to lose because most people don't really want change. I'm not sure what kind of president Trump would be but I know what Hilliary is. We are so fucked.

    16. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Trump has never had problems making money. He filed bankruptcy several times and each time he came back bigger than before. He has self funded his campaign for the most part until recently when he finally started taking donations but he's still putting a lot of his own money in. I'm not sure what motivates Trump but I suspect it's just a desire to see what he can do. He'd like to win just to say he won. It's the kind of arrogant shit he's always doing. I can't even speculate on what a Trump presidency would look like but I suspect, given his past, that he'd like to be successful just to say he was the shit. It's crazy and that's generally how I look at this election. Crazy vs Crooked. A change from Crooked vs Crookeder.

    17. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Trump isn't going to win.

      Why not? He's getting ahead in the polls.

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    18. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      What was wrong with the debate schedule?

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    19. Re:Because money by quantaman · · Score: 1

      How can you not consider superdelegates to be corruption? What exactly do you consider to be corruption?

      Superdelegates accepting payments or other secret favours for their votes? Corruption.

      Superdelegates following the rules as laid out by the party. Not corruption.

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    20. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Because 95 percent of the media is going to actively campaign for Hilliary. All the corporations that usually donate to Republican candidates are going to donate to Hilliary. Every talk show is going to pillory him. Thousands of Hollyweird stars are going to bad mouth him constantly. The Republican elite are at best going to give only the most lukewarm support they think they can get away with. All that and he'll probably still manage to get within 3-5 percent of Hilliary but it wont be enough.

    21. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that will be enough to turn it against Trump.

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    22. Re:Because money by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Trump isn't going to win.

      I don't know about that. Recently the elite everywhere have been getting their asses handed to them by the voters regardless of whether or not the voters are voting for/against their own self-interest. Exhibit A: Brexit.

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    23. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You're right, I should have done more research before criticizing the superdelegates.

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    24. Re:Because money by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. They can be, but many unions especially the smaller ones still operate as not-for-profits. Larger ones like Teamsters, Unifor, Pipefitters, etc., you bet.

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    25. Re:Because money by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      but since you guys own hypocrisy like it's no one's business, you quickly grab that flag and hoist it high because it suits your purposes.

      Hypocrisy is only an issue with people I don't agree with.

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    26. Re: Because money by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Yes. Not for profit. Not for profit what?

    27. Re:Because money by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I own property in a very heavy democrat leaning area in Florida(Hillsborough and Polk Counties), I was just down there doing some prep work for the storm season and to leave keys with one of my friends down there in case they need to board up the house. Everywhere I went those democrats that I know, the areas that were democrats it's Trump. Even the die hard supporters after finding out about the leaks have swung Trump. They believe that neither the DNC or Clinton have their interests at heart and believe that Trump while not the best choice is a gigantic middle finger to the entire elitist establishment. And boy are people pissed at the establishment, especially those who've been out of work for 3+ years or had their jobs replaced by H1B's.

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    28. Re:Because money by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Because 95 percent of the media is going to actively campaign for Hilliary.

      Well, yes, because when the choice is between a technocrat and a lying, cheating, insane weasel, that's a no-brainer.

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    29. Re:Because money by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Good grief. You really did just pull the 'Some of my best friends' fallacy, didn't you?

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    30. Re:Because money by Mass+Overkiller · · Score: 1

      Why is that crazy? Wouldn't you want to be able to do something, just to show yourself that you can do it? Didn't you want to graduate college to show your parents that you can do something you set your mind out to do? Why is that crazy?

    31. Re:Because money by SadButResolved · · Score: 1

      Infowars news is sadly the more useful of the news stations now. This is amazingly sad that I have to turn to redacted tonight, a youtube only news station or infowars to actually see other sides of the problems.
      Now that murdock has those pesky Fox people fired, its "all Hillary all the time".
      Clinton-money documentary. Then search on Epstein and Clinton plane trips. You will understand why these guys are so afraid, the prosecutor looking into clinton just had her husband shot dead in his car at a stop light.
      America the Corporation is about to Borg and engulf you in permanent indentured servitude. Mind Boggling.

    32. Re:Because money by SadButResolved · · Score: 1

      Which one is the lying insane weasel again? This is Killery right?

    33. Re: Because money by Zak3056 · · Score: 2

      Yes. Not for profit. Not for profit what?

      This is my main problem with people who complain about the Citizens United decision--none of them ever seem to stop to think about what a "corporation" is, they just yell "four legs good, two legs bad" and talk about "corporate personhood," ignoring the real problems with the idea that people acting in concert (i.e. "corporate entities") should not have the same rights as people acting independently.

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    34. Re:Because money by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      corrupt by design is still corrupt

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    35. Re:Because money by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      anecdotal evidence is still evidence.

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    36. Re:Because money by sbrown7792 · · Score: 1

      People were saying that the DNC intentionally scheduled the debates such that they would be competing against primetime TV shows, trying to reduce the viewership.

    37. Re:Because money by JeffAtl · · Score: 1

      Mostly the DNC tried to hide the debates by scheduling them on Saturday nights - the lowest TV viewing night of the week. It's akin to scheduling announcements over the Thanksgiving or Christmas holidays.

    38. Re:Because money by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Erm, no. That's why its called anecdotal. Stop hitting the ganja so hard, dude.

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    39. Re:Because money by badpool · · Score: 1

      She's also this cycle's competent candidate.

    40. Re:Because money by GlennC · · Score: 1

      Sanders voters will bitch and moan and then vote for Hilliary.

      I don't know about others, but I won't vote for a lying corporate whore. I'm leaning toward Jill Stein of the Green Party, but I may go back to the Libertarian Party.

      Either way, neither Clinton nor Trump has my vote, regardless of my signature line.

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    41. Re:Because money by Aerokii · · Score: 1

      Trump is also currently being sued for raping a minor that's tied to the Epstein case.

      "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

    42. Re: Because money by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      The above is rather nonsensical. In your example crime, there is plenty enough criminal liability to go around, and those involved should (certainly!) be tried and, if there is enough evidence, be convicted for their crimes (the negligent homicide itself, and likely conspiracy charges around whatever led to it). "Auctioning the company" etc can follow as part of whatever civil liability may exist on the part of those who "own" it.

      "Corporate Personhood" is not (or should not be) a thing. "Jailing" the corporation is silly. Hold PEOPLE accountable. I'll admit (disgustedly) that our law enforcement organizations most certainly do NOT seem to do this, but that is a separate problem, and the baby should not be thrown out with the bathwater as a result of uninterested or corrupted government stooges.

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    43. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      lying cheating and weasel sure but I don't think Hilliary is insane. Besides, the media is supposed to report news but now we have them colluding with party leadership to run a propaganda campaign. That's not really how it's supposed to go and they don't even pretend anymore.

    44. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      They don't even really pretend to be straight anymore. I used to watch Al Jazeera for news but they took that off DirecTV.

    45. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I figure you're one of the 10 percent that will vote for what you believe in. My hats off to you, this country would be so much better off if people were more like you. I say this as a person who disagrees with almost all of Bernie Sanders' platform. I was saddened to see him abandon his principles in favor of political expediency.

    46. Re:Because money by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I think he's crazy to want that fucked up job. I think he's crazy to promise a wall with the mexicans paying for it. He's crazy to personally attack families of his opponents. He's crazy to do all this shit off the hip without thinking about it but making it up as he goes along. He's almost as nuts and Hilliary is crooked.

    47. Re: Because money by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      The above is rather nonsensical. In your example crime, there is plenty enough criminal liability to go around, and those involved should (certainly!) be tried and, if there is enough evidence, be convicted for their crimes (the negligent homicide itself, and likely conspiracy charges around whatever led to it). "Auctioning the company" etc can follow as part of whatever civil liability may exist on the part of those who "own" it.

      "Corporate Personhood" is not (or should not be) a thing. "Jailing" the corporation is silly. Hold PEOPLE accountable. I'll admit (disgustedly) that our law enforcement organizations most certainly do NOT seem to do this, but that is a separate problem, and the baby should not be thrown out with the bathwater as a result of uninterested or corrupted government stooges.

      Ok, so how do you write laws that apply to a corporation as well? You're showing a severe lack of legal knowledge. Almost everything is codified to people. A corporation for legal purposes is just like a person. Unlike illegal aliens and foreigners (in America), they can't vote, however.

    48. Re: Because money by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      You mistake me. I don't suggest picking out "one scapegoat" and holding him accountable. I am serious about "those responsible should be held accountable." In your ecological disaster, it's probably NOT just one guy that made the whole thing happen. There's probably one or more members of upper management, scads of middle management, and people on the ground that all MADE it happen (and probably some poor engineer screaming that whatever idiotic idea led to the issue should never be done for the exact reason that led to the problem).

      You've also completely ignored my suggestion (WRT "billions") that there are civil remedies for that, and that the corporate entity should indeed be on the hook for those.

      I realize you're just an AC, but next time you may want to consider what I actually said instead of just calling me a dumbass.

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    49. Re: Because money by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      Ok, so how do you write laws that apply to a corporation as well?

      I'm proposing that criminal laws applying to a corporation shouldn't be written at all. There are more than enough civil laws to go around, and any criminal liability can (and should) be put on the shoulders of those involved.

      You're showing a severe lack of legal knowledge. Almost everything is codified to people. A corporation for legal purposes is just like a person. Unlike illegal aliens and foreigners (in America), they can't vote, however.

      I never claimed to have much in the way of legal knowledge. I'm not a lawyer, I'm just an IT geek (I promise that is not Phil Hartman reference).

      My initial point was to state "people acting together should not have fewer rights than when they act separately" and I stand behind that. That's not legal doctrine, that's philosophy. The opposite outcome in Citizens United would have enshrined just that idea into our wonderful, precedential legal system, and it would have taken decades to undo (if ever it could be).

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    50. Re: Because money by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      I'm proposing that criminal laws applying to a corporation shouldn't be written at all. There are more than enough civil laws to go around, and any criminal liability can (and should) be put on the shoulders of those involved.

      And it generally is. A corporation doesn't shield people from criminal liability. Otherwise criminals would be using it all the time to use the typical example - rob a bank. Cops show up, "Nope, can't arrest me. I'm the CEO of bankbusters, Inc. A company. Go pound sand." Cops walk off all pissed off. Black people would be using it all the time. Get pulled over, as the cop pulls up, they reach under their seat quickly and whip out the corporate papers and say "Buzz off smokey! I'm a corporation! This car is owned by the corporation!"

      Let me see if I can compress about 2 years worth of the basic law courses into a paragraph. BTW, I'm not a lawyer either. I took a lot of the courses but never took the exam.

      The problem is, corporations do things we want. Such as making cars, watches, that cell phone you have and so on. In the process of making or doing whatever it is, there is often a mine field of laws. Believe me. If you go into business you'll find out. One really stupid thing to do is go into business without consulting a lawyer. Especially if you make any kind of money. Other people want to take it from you right away. Just the way it is. So the law has to show that you did whatever you did wrong with intent opposed to just some guy that did something. This is where people don't understand. Say you make a widget. You didn't give a crap about laws, just make a million of them. Now a bunch of people have them and now you find out there's a law against it or some part of it. Criminal law. When they check into it and find out you didn't give a crap, you could be in a heap of trouble. On the other hand, you have a lawyer, did the legal work and in spite of your best efforts it somehow managed to get overlooked - why hold you liable? Depends on the prosecutor, they may charge you anyway. Another example is the deep water horizon spill. Here's what happened there - http://petroglobalnews.com/201... . They could have easily locked some of them up for quite a while.

      Another example was the guy that did the Neodymium magnetic balls. He consulted with the US Government, had all kinds of approvals, checked laws.. and so on. He still lost his shirt because kids were swallowing multiple balls and ending up in hospitals, or dead. They went after him.

      Just makes for getting people upset. Yea, that corporation is the same as a person. Just seems so wrong until you find out why.

  4. The party line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just like they were censoring conservative news stories.

    http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006

    No accident...the party line.

  5. The fix is in by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will people wake up and realize the fix is in? You know those ties between the media and the Democrats that the right complained about for years? Have you realized yet that the question about using facebook to prevent a Trump presidency wasn't rhetorical?

    Bernie's supporters have started to wake up and realize that they are just as excluded as the right. The only difference now is that things are being exposed in plain text for the world to see. Only big business and congress have worse credibility ratings that the media.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/159...

    Wake up sheeple.

    1. Re:The fix is in by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      Bernie supporters have known this all along. We've been waiting for everyone else to figure out that its real, not tin-foil conspiracy. The NYT and WaPo were particularly egregrious.

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    2. Re: The fix is in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bernie supporters got swindled out of 220+ million dollars to see Bernie be a shill for Hillary.

    3. Re: The fix is in by slew · · Score: 2

      Bernie supporters got swindled out of 220+ million dollars to see Bernie be a shill for Hillary.

      So if someone named Bernie "made off" with your money, should you be
          A. mad at Bernie,
          B. mad at yourself for letting yourself getting swindled,
          C. mad at the system, OR
          D. all of the above
      Just curious...

    4. Re: The fix is in by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

      Sanders stated up front that he would endorse the nominee. The party was the one doing the swindling. He kept his word even tho the situation sucks hard.

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    5. Re:The fix is in by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Then why were they supporting Bernie, who is part of the conspiracy?

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    6. Re: The fix is in by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bernie supporters got swindled out of 220+ million dollars to see Bernie be a shill for Hillary.

      So if someone named Bernie "made off" with your money, should you be A. mad at Bernie, B. mad at yourself for letting yourself getting swindled, C. mad at the system, OR D. all of the above Just curious...

      or E. mad at the Russians (This choice was paid for by the Clinton Campaign)

    7. Re: The fix is in by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I might take

      F. Sue the DNC and democratic party for misrepresenting a product that caused me to be swindled out of money under false pretenses.

      I don't see how consumer protection laws shouldn't fall in line here. And that would be independent of D.

    8. Re:The fix is in by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It was already clear at the time of the Democrat candidate debates that the "fix was in". Anyone who didn't realize it was just not paying attention. It was (and is) less clear that the Democrats have done more to "fix" the election than have the Republicans, though they have both been clearly seen to be doing it.

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    9. Re: The fix is in by slew · · Score: 1

      Bernie supporters got swindled out of 220+ million dollars to see Bernie be a shill for Hillary.

      So if someone named Bernie "made off" with your money, should you be

          A. mad at Bernie,

          B. mad at yourself for letting yourself getting swindled,

          C. mad at the system, OR

          D. all of the above
      Just curious...

      or

      E. mad at the Russians (This choice was paid for by the Clinton Campaign)

      Interesting theory. So Clinton must have paid a pretty penny to Putin for some compromising pictures of Bernie to convince him fold like a cheap suit...

    10. Re:The fix is in by halivar · · Score: 1

      The GOP's presumptive heir-apparent this year was Jeb Bush. Whoops.

    11. Re:The fix is in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Using the word sheeple in a post immediately invalidates it. I'd go so far as to say it's a conversation killer worse than Hitler.

    12. Re:The fix is in by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Yes. It didn't work. Hillary was a bit slicker. But since them both parties have been "fixing the vote".

      In a sense this is making them both true to their roots. The political ancestors of the Republicans believed that only property owning (white) males should vote. The political ancestors of the Democrats believed that the voting process was too restricted. It's too bad that decision can't be made on it's merits, and that neither party is willing to respect the current laws...laws which they, in combination, were in charge of writing.

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  6. Re:Ok, so what? by galabar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being blatantly partisan would harm their business (by insulting their Republican and Independent user base). As a public company, they have a fiscal duty to not place personal political beliefs above the interests of the company (or a shareholder lawsuit might ensue).

    If there is a "Filter out any negative Hillary Clinton news until we get enough pressure to release it" filter, then they are setting themselves up for trouble.

  7. The truth by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "our anti-spam systems briefly flagged links to these documents as unsafe."

    The truth has a long tradition of being considered dangerous.

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    1. Re:The truth by axewolf · · Score: 1

      The truth is that most people are completely soulless slaves who have no ability to assert their interests on the world and simple measures work well to herd them around.

    2. Re:The truth by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Not if you are wearing a condom or have macros disabled like most safe people do.

      Remember, safe sex is a crash helmet and a seat belt. Safe computing isn't much harder.

  8. Re:Ok, so what? by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    Sure they can. And we can point and say "look at the Clinton shills." What's your point?

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  9. Streisand effect by HBI · · Score: 1

    The idiots should have left well enough alone. There was no way they could prevent people from hearing about it, anyway.

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  10. They like the DNC PRO H1B stance by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    They like the DNC PRO H1B stance

  11. Re:Ok, so what? by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just curious, did you defend Microsoft as a private Monopoly? Do you realize that Facebook has over 1 billion people on their platform and that they effectively have a monopoly on social media? Do you think it's okay for a monopoly to abuse their position to promote a particular ideology? Would you feel the same way if they promoted right wing content instead?

  12. Probably trying to keep people from the malware... by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

    Just sayin'

  13. Re:Ok, so what? by Tailhook · · Score: 2

    they can do no wrong?

    Of course. The exact same phenomena occurred when we learned about their biased grooming of their news feed. All of the sudden corporate sovereignty was paramount! Never had so much love for Facebook appeared among the cubical trolls of Slashdot.

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  14. Re:Ok, so what? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    They are a private company. They can filter, block, promote any speech that they want.

    They are also private emails belonging to a private organization, many of which could have copyright belonging to the authors of the emails, that were stolen in by someone making unauthorized access to their computers.

    I can imagine what a sane corporate lawyer would advise as a safe course of action.

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  15. Chill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't get what the fuss is all about. Facebook is not a media outlet, their systems filter a lot more than this and no one cares. The leaks themselves are not particularly interesting; they did not disclose what people already had known about the internal politics of any american party. What is really worrisome here is not that Facebook is censoring (let me reiterate they censor a lot more) as there are many media outlets that people can easily obtain the leaks, but that Wikileaks are playing into the Russian government hands. Assange grudge against the USA is making Wikileaks extremely politicised; witness the timing of the leaks. Correct me if I am wrong, as I might misremember this, Wikileaks did not want to leak the Panama documents as they showed predominantly Putin's corruption.

  16. Sometime a delay is helpful by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So your theory is that FB understands nothing about social networks and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.

    Slow the story for a few days and it doesn't disrupt the news coverage of the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia. The goal is not necessarily to bury the info, sometime a delay is helpful.

    1. Re:Sometime a delay is helpful by quantaman · · Score: 1

      So your theory is that FB understands nothing about social networks and has never heard of the Streisand Effect.

      Slow the story for a few days and it doesn't disrupt the news coverage of the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia. The goal is not necessarily to bury the info, sometime a delay is helpful.

      And you think obvious censorship is how they would choose to do it?

      If FB wanted to suppress the news they'd just suppress it in the news feeds, essentially what they were accused of doing with some conservative stories.

      It wouldn't be blocked or obviously censored, it just wouldn't show up in news feeds as often as it should, it would be very effective and really hard to detect.

      Obvious censoring with a crude block makes no sense.

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    2. Re:Sometime a delay is helpful by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It's not censorship when the Dems do it.

    3. Re: Sometime a delay is helpful by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      You know, if I was black I bet I'd hate your honkey ass too.

  17. Welcome to Libertarianism by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are a private company. They can filter, block, promote any speech that they want.

    I always said the same about TV and radio companies, but various Statists from FCC and FEC down to Slashdot cowards always disagreed.

    Good to see some turnaround in public opinion towards liberty. Except, oh, wait, TV, radio, and even web-sites may not be able to do what they want... Even texting in support of a candidate may be illegal.

    Unless, obviously, the candidate is from the Party of Government. For a few decades we had something called Fairness Doctrine, which allowed FCC to enforce "fairness". Libertarians fought it, but at least, with it on the books, one could formally complain against "unfair" coverage. Not any more — with only 7% of journalists being Republicans, the game is played with only one set of goal-posts...

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    1. Re:Welcome to Libertarianism by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Welcome to insanity.

      When a given company represents 90% of the daily information stream of your average citizen, it is a monopoly. Any attempt to challenge that will have to run against an extremely high barrier to entry established by said monopoly. It doesn't mean that it can't be unseated - but doing so requires immense resources, and even then would take many years.

      In the meantime, we need a way to ensure that citizens actually get all information that is relevant to their vote, rather than the one that our monopolist decided to tell them. An idealistic libertarian would say that, by choosing FB, they implicitly give permission for such screening. A pragmatist would acknowledge that vast majority of FB users didn't actually think about it at all, and didn't realize that they're setting themselves up for an information bubble. A pragmatist would also acknowledge that making the public more informed is more important than giving FB freedom to censor whatever they want.

    2. Re:Welcome to Libertarianism by mi · · Score: 1

      When a given company represents 90% of the daily information stream of your average citizen, it is a monopoly.

      That may be relevant, if it were to try to use that monopoly status to get into a different market. Facebook is not doing that, so let them be. The barrier to entry into their market is none-existent — various snapchats, instagrams, et al. have done that. Facebook itself unseated MySpace in front of our eyes.

      In the meantime, we need a way to ensure that citizens actually get all information that is relevant to their vote

      Who are these omniscient benevolent "we", that need to ensure something for the "citizens", god bless their pretty little heads? No, the "we" and the "citizens" are the same people — and your sentence makes no sense.

      A pragmatist would also acknowledge that making the public more informed is more important than giving FB freedom to censor whatever they want.

      So, your proposal is to surrender an essential liberty in exchange for a hypothetical temporary gain?.. Don't we already know something about this approach?

      The outrage is not that Facebook is censoring whatever they please. The outrage is that others aren't afforded the same liberty.

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    3. Re:Welcome to Libertarianism by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      When a given company represents 90% of the daily information stream of your average citizen, it is a monopoly.

      No. By definition, a monopoly means 100% control. I am still amazed how many people don't understand basic economic terms.

    4. Re:Welcome to Libertarianism by mi · · Score: 1

      is a moral imperative not a logical one

      It is moral because it is logical — like the rest of Libertarianism. But this is irrelevant to the conversation...

      That's not true of our more recent social media companies.

      But it still true of GoDaddy et al. Their UI and horrible customer service makes them the equivalent of GeoCities of the past.

      The government could step in to regulate these companies to make sure their users' rights are protected.

      Please, cite the right currently being violated. Thanks.

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  18. Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It also explains why a Sanders voter would willingly switch to become a Trump voter

    Bernie will cave in and endorse Hillary so he is not ostracized in Congress and given no committee appointments and otherwise made irrelevant.

    Bernie voters will largely be good little Democrats loyal to the party and vote for Hillary. And they wonder why they are ignored. When a voter is loyal to a party they are irrelevant, the party already has their vote and need not appease them.

    Bernie voters enjoy the few symbolic lines you get in a meaningless party platform that no one ever honors, symbolic lines just like every other forgotten group got in previous party platforms.

    1. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Bernie will cave in and endorse Hillary so he is not ostracized

      He did: check it out. He got booed for nearly 30 seconds. Of course, these are hardcore fans who went all the way to Philadelphia, so may not be representative.

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    2. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bernie told the BernieBots today that they need to vote for Hillary. He got booed by his audience. They really don't like Hillary, though I can't see them voting Trump.

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    3. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by Bartles · · Score: 1

      They also make up nearly 40% of the delegates. They aren't just a few hardcore fans.

    4. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by mattventura · · Score: 1

      I don't see more than a small amount of them voting Trump, but I can see a lot of them voting third party or abstaining, which could give Trump the edge.

    5. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      He capitulated his spot. He should be the nominee and gave it to a real bitch and despot.

    6. Re:Sanders voters will be good little Democrats by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      He should be the nominee

      How, exactly? He didn't get enough delegates, even unpledged delegates.

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  19. Yeah I'll tell you why! by CajunArson · · Score: 1

    Because Diversity!

    Oh, and because they want the convention to FeelTheBern.

    Or is it FeelTheBurn?

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    1. Re:Yeah I'll tell you why! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Because Diversity!

      is that a reference to the "taco bowl" racism email?

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  20. Redundancy by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Only big business and congress

    But sir, you repeat yourself.

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  21. Re:vai cagar no mato como eu quis by Pahroza · · Score: 1

    What the !@#$ is with these BS posts on almost every thread?

    According to Google Translate "It is enjoyed listening to this fucking pedophile talking to my nephew who wants to kill me because I'm not a pedophile and I have no intention of leaving my children being abused by the gang of little flower of coke ."

    Spambot? Did /. just Orkut?

  22. Re:Ok, so what? by budgenator · · Score: 2

    It's even giving me pause how deep the roots of Amazon and Facebook go in the internet, the only thing that surprises me now isn't how long ads for something I've looked at follow me, but that they don't stop after I've finally bought it.

    One bizarre thing I've notice is a lot of links on Facebook to Uber-Conservative sites are redirecting to sites that my anti-virus is blocking in the last few days. I thought it was just my paranoia over some wonky adds served up on the sites, but now I'm not so sure. Seems like with all of the programming chops they have, it would be trivial to insert some malicious adverts into sites they disagree with philosophically.

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  23. Re:Ok, so what? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    Yup, another confirmed Hillary voter / shill / corrupt person.

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  24. Re:Ok, so what? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    Yup, another confirmed Hillary voter / shill / corrupt person.

    Nope. Just a rational person. I won't be voting for Hillary or Bernie or Trump. The substance of my statement is reasonable. A company considering publishing private information that was hacked risks prosecution.

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  25. Re:Ok, so what? by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Yep, whenever it's attack the source and ignore the content, it's obvious that we have a mouth-breather talking.

  26. Facebook is and always has been by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A shill for the Dem, Lib. Progressives. They can not win unless the voters are uninformed and do not know the facts. That is why the teachers unions only teach lies. they need to keep the masses uninformed esp. African Americans. Ade Lincoln was a republican!! The old south slave owners pre civil war war were dems The post civil war leaders who passed the segregation laws were dems, old slave owners who wanted to control African Americans The last member of congress who was a member of the KKK was a dem. Senator Strom Thurmond Truth is freedom, From Stroms wiki page In opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, he conducted the longest filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop. In the 1960s, he opposed the civil rights legislation of 1964 and 1965 to end segregation and enforce the constitutional rights of African-American citizens, including suffrage. He always insisted he had never been a racist, but was opposed to excessive federal authority. He attributed the movement to Communist agitators.[5] In 1948, Thurmond said: all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, into our schools, our churches and our places of recreation and amusement.[5] The dem party is using welfare and the lies of oppression to control what why once owned. Why any African American would be a dem is beyond me.

  27. Re:Yeah, but the Russians.. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    No, the Russians did it in response to an offensive video.

  28. Re:Ok, so what? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Computers are compromised all the time, and published docs on Wikileaks all the time. IF you start punishing Wikileaks now, you're just saying THIS time is too far, and all those other times ... not so much.

    That is kind of the whole point of Wikileaks, and has been. So, unless this is your latest protest in a long line of protests against Wikileaks, you're just a closet shill. I would protest against Wikileaks, except this time, the far left which has been feeding off Wikileaks for years, has finally been Leaked as being exactly what I always thought they were. That, and very few on the left cared about those being hacked and released to Wikileaks before Friday, so turn about is fair play IMHO. Karma is a bitch.

    And for the record, I am a Libertarian. Karma is a bitch unless you stand on principles even when they don't work in your favor. My only joy in this is that the Press cannot hide this shit from view, and we're all seeing exactly how the 5th estate has been carrying Clinton's baggage around. It is also kind of fun watching the cognitive dissonance from Hillary Supporters trying to defend the indefensible. I expect the silence from normal DNC trolls to last only a short while (next time Trump inserts foot into mouth)

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  29. Re:Ok, so what? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    I was talking about Facebook's actions and choices, not Wikileaks' actions.

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  30. Re:Ok, so what? by HiThere · · Score: 1

    It's not clear that "the network effect" is sufficient to cause them to be considered a monopoly. And that's the only grounds that I see for calling them a monopoly. Facebook is more like a "public accommodation". The laws regarding that are different from those regarding monopolies, and I don't understand them, but they *do* exist.

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  31. Re:Ok, so what? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    If you think your copyright has been violated, file a DMCA takedown request.

    I would think that anything newsworthy would fall under fair use though. I'm pretty sure most people think that is obvious too.

  32. Re:good grief, people by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    It doesn't even matter. Most people complaining are Facebook users and it would be within their rights to request certain behavior from Facebook - even if it means going elsewhere.

    I say they organize a protest and dislike every news story that isn't about beer or puppies to skew their metrics.

  33. Re:Ok, so what? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    You clearly don't deal with lawyers much. They would usually advice caution.

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  34. The free and open Internet by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    People are offen using FB and other services. They are so easy to use. And all your friends are there, but it is not the free Inernrt you are using. It a walked garden, protected by FB and their personal interest. They control what you see every day.

  35. I'll believe it by s.petry · · Score: 1

    When it happens. As it stands today I fully expect the exit polls to show Trump with a double digit lead and yet somehow Hillary wins. It _just_ happened that way with Sanders, so you have to expect as much. I am actually quite amazed that the DNC is not a full out riot based on the leaked emails. The corruption was obvious enough when Hillary won 6 out of 6 coin tosses and exit polls flipped in almost every race. Now there is proof as to a more broad corruption and collusion.

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    1. Re:I'll believe it by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      They basically are, did you watch the Sanders speech? Then there was this, (which overall was a good speech). If Hillary came out today, it wouldn't have surprised me at all to see her get boos

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  36. Re:Ok, so what? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

    People who don't care about honesty and the free exchange of ideas false "report" sites they don't like as having malware, deceptive contents, whatever they can so that the automated filters in Google, anti-virus, etc.. prevent people from visiting them.

    The practice not only (temporarily) blocks sites which shouldn't be blocked, but also gets people used to assuming a blocked site is much more likely to be a false positive and thus bypass the blocking. A great lose/lose scenario from these idiots.

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  37. Re:Ok, so what? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    I would protest against Wikileaks, except this time, the far left which has been feeding off Wikileaks for years, has finally been Leaked as being exactly what I always thought they were.

    Hilarious, given the fact that Hillary is a right-wing freakshow who can out-neocon and out-neoliberal her GOP opponent any day of the week.

  38. Because: by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 1

    Money.

  39. Re:but what they do not seem to understand is by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    You raise interesting points

  40. Re:Probably trying to keep people from the malware by afgam28 · · Score: 1

    To be fair, a dump of "19,252 emails and 8,034 attachments" almost certainly does contain some amount of malware.

  41. Re:Ok, so what? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    not lifelong, just the past 20 years

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  42. They won't say why, because... by nomad63 · · Score: 1

    Because they are bunch of liberal ninnies, invested in electing sHillary at all costs. Dissemination of these emails would hinder their efforts. Why is everyone so surprised that a bunch of Bay Area socialists are protecting their own kind by all means possible ? Why is this news ? Why are you expecting equality and balance from a walled garden, where the wardens have the last word ? why-why-why ?

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  43. The Reason is Simple by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    Zuckerburg and his H1B visa army are to stupid to do it.