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Getty Sued For $1 Billion For Selling Publicly Donated Photos (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Online stock media library Getty Images is facing a $1 billion lawsuit from an American photographer for illegally selling copyright for thousands of photos. The Seattle-based company has been sued by documentary photographer Carol Highsmith for 'gross misuse', after it sold more than 18,000 of her photos despite having already donated them for public use. Highsmith's photos which were sold via Getty Images had been available for free via the Library of Congress. Getty has now been accused of selling unauthorized licenses of the images, not crediting the author, and for also sending threatening warnings and fines to those who had used the pictures without paying for the falsely imposed copyright.ArsTechnica has more details.

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  1. Rules for thee, not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Glad to see a copyright troll getting what it deserves.

    1. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Informative

      She's only asking for like $400M, but a previous lawsuit allows treble damages for any further suits against Getty. Sooooooooo.

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    2. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      She is still the copyright owner.
      Getty took her work and sold it without her permission as well as harassing others she freely gave it away to. Damaging her reputation, as well her customers. The fact that she gave them away for free doesn't mean mean that they didn't have value.

      Heck in slashdot when we find a company breaking the GPL we want Blood from them.

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    3. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She gets $400 million for what? She's asserting that other people were wronged, that she had zero stake (she let the images out for free), and that she thus somehow is owed $400 million?

      Even if she licensed them for public use she is still the copyright owner of the images so she is the one that has the standing to sue for copyright infringement against Getty. The others could just sue to clarify their rights, stop legal actions against them, and maybe, if lucky, recover their legal costs. The photographer is the one in a position to extract a truly punitive judgement against Getty.

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    4. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Statutory damages. She allowed the Library of Congress to distribute the photos for free, but the Getty never had permission, and certainly never had permission to charge for them. The $400 million+ is straight up statutory damages for the number of violations.

      Since they did this for commercial purposes, what should happen is criminal prosecution.

    5. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by taustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hard to sue:

      • Her images are now in public domain.

      No, they're not. She licensed the Library of Congress to distribute them royalty free, but did not place them in the public domain. In fact, the license to the LoC specifically requires that they, and anyone they distribute the photos to, give her credit. So your premise is factually incorrect.

      And what really pissed her off was when the Getty sent her a legal threat and demanded money for using her own photos on her own web site, when the Getty had no permission to use the photos in any way.

      Honestly, a billion dollars in damages seems perfectly reasonable to me, and the Getty will hardly notice it.

    6. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

      For an imperfect analogy: If I loan my volunteer fire department use of my car, I haven't given up title, Nor have I indicated that anyone is now free to abscond the vehicle with impunity.

      In fact, Getty not only stole these, by falsely asserting ownership rights, it's as if they took the car from my analogy, and drove it for Uber.

      Her images are NOT public domain. They are her copyright, for which she waived license fees for re-use and distribution, via Library of Congress, per her attribution remain.

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    7. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by sjames · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's statutory damages as set by law. It's tripled because Getty is a repeat offender. Unlike the many cases of *AA vs. Grandma where the same statutory damages were applied, Getty is exactly the sort of defendant the lawmakers had in mind when they wrote the law and the evidence is much more clear.

      If the courts do not award the full amount, they will demonstrate once and for all that natural people are second class citizens.

    8. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I haven't seen anyone else noting this, so...

      She is a copyright holder, and have released the images under one license, that does not incur any payment, but restricts how people can use the images.
      That does NOT prevent her from also licensing the images under a different license, which gives the licensee other rights. (Like, for instance, being allowed to modify, re-sell, or not give attribution.)

      In the software world, there are plenty of examples of dual licensing, so this shouldn't be news to anyone.

      She is the copyright holder, and what she could have charged for other licenses is her stake.

      Then add punitive damages. Tripled because of Getty having lost other cases that means they were definitely made aware of transgressions, and any new transgressions of the same type have a high chance that they will considered willful.

    9. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Getty sent her a legal threat and demanded money for using her own photos on her own web site

      That is the most delicious part of the entire story.

      (Note also that this the online Getty image provider, not related to the Getty museum).

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    10. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doesn't matter,

      Punitive Damages are not about what the plaintiff wants. They are about dissuading the defendant from repeating their offence.

      So how do you dissuade an an entity such as Getty? You savage their pocket book so badly that the board of directors take notice. For public corporations, you hit them so hard it affects their stock prices and subsequently their shareholders, who then would hopefully respond by replacing board members who allowed the President or CEO to take the offending actions.

      In the case of corporations, the buck stops with the shareholders. There is no punishment until the shareholders feel the pain.

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    11. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      RICO? Who did they conspire with? What organization are they a part of?

      Allegedly, the executives of Getty Images, Inc., who directed their subordinates to engage in criminal intimidation and racketeering based on false claims of copyright, are part of the criminal organization Getty Images, Inc.

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    12. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by torkus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed.

      THIS is what copyright law is (well, was) designed to protect. An individual or company wrongly selling, misrepresenting, harassing or even suing others over works it does not have control over the copyright of is exactly what copyright law was targeted at. THIS is how copyright could 'protects the artists' and foster more artistic contribution to the world as a whole.

      Getty would do well to quickly offer up a very reasonable/rationa settlement - such as repaying every customer who paid for images they didn't have the right to sell and making a sizable donation to some art charity/foundation. Anything else, and they undermind the very laws that provide for their business model and very existence.

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    13. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by Holi · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the LoC she actually has relinquished her rights.

      "Publication and other forms of distribution: Ms. Highsmith has stipulated that her photographs are in the public domain. (See P&P Collection Files.) Photographs of sculpture or other works of art may be restricted by the copyright of the artist."

      https://www.loc.gov/rr/print/r...

      This may cause problems with her standing to sue.

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    14. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not illegal to sell works in the public domain, particularly if these were "transformed" in any manner beforehand. Getty could argue that they transformed the work by selective editing, which is the process by which you choose amongst many options. Any transformation can initiate a new copyright. This might come down to technical process copyright law, by which you take a Tiff and convert it into a jpeg, versus misrepresentation (claiming you own the rights to something you don't). When publishers print classic books out of copyright, they will still stick a copyright claim in the book on the grounds the work was edited again and gained a new copyright. Same thing with music. These claims are not generally challenged because the claimant could always just go back to the original source. This is a rare case because the artist is still alive. However, it's not clear you can positively put something into the public domain by fiat as an author. You're still the copyright holder. The best you can do is issue a promise not to sue. This will be very messy to resolve.

    15. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Getty would do well to quickly offer up a very reasonable/rationa settlement - such as repaying every customer who paid for images they didn't have the right to sell and making a sizable donation to some art charity/foundation. Anything else, and they undermind the very laws that provide for their business model and very existence.

      Not enough, sorry. Not when we have court judgments standing against ordinary citizens for non-commercial infringement of over $10,000 per violation.

      The $1 billion would be a bargain for them to get off so easy, compared to how Getty and similar companies have treated individuals. Frankly, if I were Ms. Highsmith, I'd take the billion dollars and track down every individual non-commercial "infringer" she can find who has been the victim of such lawsuits and use the money from the lawsuit to pay them back. If there was any money left over, I'd create a victims defense fund for people who are sued for ridiculous amounts for non-commercial infringement.

      It's not that I'm pro-piracy. I'm not. But I think non-commercial copyright infringement with no intent to cause harm (and sometimes unknowing infringement, in the case of photos just grabbed over the internet) shouldn't be putting individuals in the poorhouse. If the infringing fees were more reasonable (particularly for first-time offenders), that'd be one thing... but they're not. I'd be all in favor of an escalating set of penalties for repeat offenders, even.... but suing for thousands of dollars over a single violation?

    16. Re:Rules for thee, not for me by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The story does use a lot of funny wording which implies that they had been donated to the Public Domain, but if you click through to sources, it looks more like they were still under copyright, offered through some kind of free-as-in-beer license.

      Looks like. It's really hard to see WTF the actual status is. What shitty, lazy reporting! But my guess is they're not PD, because the lawyer would have checked before he sued, that being the responsible and common sense thing to d-- why is everyone laughing at me?

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  2. Getty threatened her is how she found out by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ironically the photographer found out when LCS threatened her with copyright infringement unless she paid $120 after she used one of her own photos. Getty does not acknowledge their relationship with LCS however LCS uses the same address as Getty's corporate office. I would suspect LCS is their enforcement subsidiary so that they don't get negative press.

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    1. Re:Getty threatened her is how she found out by locofungus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Even more fun, in their original letter to her they said:

                      97. The Letter went on to state as follows: "Although this infringement might have
      been unintentional, use of an image without a valid license is considered copyright infringement
      in violation of the Copyright Act, Title 17, United States Code. This copyright law
      entitles Alamy to seek compensation for any license infringement."

                    104. In the "Frequently Asked Questions" section of the Letter, the answer to the
      question "What if I didn't know?" includes the following language: "You may have employed a
      third party, former worker or intern to design and develop your company's site. However, the
      liability of any infringement ultimately falls on the company (the end user) who hired that party,
      employee or intern." The answer to the question "What if I simply remove the image?"Â
      includes the following language: "While we appreciate the effort of removing the material in
      question from your site, we still need compensation. Your company has benefited by using our
      imagery without our permission. As the unauthorized use has already occurred, payment for that
      benefit is necessary."

      Hoist by their own petard.

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  3. Getty screwed up by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you dig around a bit, you'll see that the artist did not make her photos public domain. She licensed them to the Library of Congress and gave a permissive license for anyone else to use them --- presumably including to sell them --- as long as users give notification that the these are the photographer's work. Nonetheless, she retains copyright. This is basically a BSD-style license. Getty is not only suing her for using her own copyrighted work, but is also not informing customers that they're her work, in violation of the license. She's suing to preserve the terms of her license.

    1. Re:Getty screwed up by Jhon · · Score: 5, Informative

      You should write article summaries for /.

      Seriously.

    2. Re:Getty screwed up by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, somebody should. The monkeys aren't doing a very good job.

  4. Re:FUCKING MILLENNIAL SNOWFLAKES by Calydor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look up public domain images.

    Pick some you like.

    Use them.

    Get threatening letters from Getty for using them.

    How the FUCK does that not hurt the average person who just wanted to use a few free images?

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  5. As someone who has been on the wrong end by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Informative

    As someone who has been on the wrong end of a letter from Getty's lawyers concerning a set of images which were bought (on a CD) with the impression that they were already properly licensed, I hope she wins every fucking penny.

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    1. Re:As someone who has been on the wrong end by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Depends on the situation. From what I understand the OP bought a CD of images thinking that the purchase of said CD was a license. The OP then used the images. For the sake of argument, Getty owned the images and not the CD seller, Getty can sue the OP for infringement; however, they cannot sue for willful infringement as the OP in good faith believed he or she properly licensed the image. Any amount that Getty collected from the OP, the OP can then sue the CD seller. However all this takes time in court to resolve. A court however probably would not have fined the OP much and would have been okay with the OP merely removing the images. Again it may be a long legal hassle should Getty chose to pursue. Of course, Getty could be dicks about it the whole time.

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  6. Re:A billion in damages?! by locofungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    151. GettyÃââs violations of 17 U.S.C. ÃÂ 1202 entitle Ms. Highsmith to recover, among
    other things, and if she so elects as provided in 17 U.S.C. à1203(c)(3)(B), ÃâÅ"an award of
    statutory damages for each violation of section 1202 in the sum of not less than $2,500 or more
    than $25,000.ÃâÂ
                    152. When Getty is found to have committed one violation of 17 U.S.C. ÃÂ 1202 for
    each of the 18,755 results of a search for ÃâÅ"Carol M. HighsmithÃâ on GettyÃââs website, Ms.
    Highsmith would be entitled to recover, among other things, and if she so elects, aggregate
    statutory damages against Getty of not less than forty-six million, eight hundred eighty-seven
    thousand five hundred dollars ($46,887,500) and not more than four hundred sixty-eight
    million, eight hundred seventy-five thousand dollars ($468,875,000).
                    153. Additionally, because Getty has already had a final judgment entered against it in
    the past three years in the Morel v. Getty case, the Court may treble the statutory damages in
    this case.

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  7. $1 billion is actually pretty reasonable by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    The music industry set the bar at $22,500 per violation ($675,000 for 30 works) for an individual violating copyright without a profit motive. $1 billion for 18,000 works is only $55,555 per violation, which is relative to the Tenenbaum case is not unreasonable when you consider this is commercial copyright violation. Her lawyers are actually being nice by "only" asking for $1 billion. Copyright law allows her to sue for up to $150,000 per violation, which would be a cool $2.7 billion.

    In other words, if she gets less than $22,500 * 18,000 = $405 million out of this, there's been a gross miscarriage of justice either in her case or the Tenenbaum cause. Unlike filesharing, what Getty Images did is precisely the sort of thing copyright law was made to prohibit - profiting off the work of others.

  8. Getty and NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Getty now sells NASA on-orbit and other spaceflight images. These images are available through NASA, already bought and paid for with tax dollars. How Getty sells any of them at lower res than NASA supplies for $500+ is beyond comprehension.

  9. Re:Stock media by omnichad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm more curious how Getty ended up thinking they owned the copyright on those images.

    I assume it went something like this:
    1) Scrape all freely shared images from LoC, assuming they're public domain.
    2) Sell licenses to access their copy of the photos without mentioning that the images were freely available elsewhere
    3) "Accidentally" include these images in the index they provide to their copyright enforcement arm.