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Samsung Beat Apple In Smartphone Shipments, Profit Surges To 2-Year High (thehindu.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Earlier reports speculated this to be true, but now it's official: Samsung has beat Apple in smartphone shipments to lift the company to its most profitable quarter in over two years. The Hindu reports: "Riding on the strong sales of its Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S7 Edge smartphones, Samsung Electronics on Thursday declared 8.14 trillion won ($7billion) year on-year operating profit -- 18 percent in the second quarter results. Touted as bad news for Apple that saw a 15 percent decline in iPhone sales in its second quarter results announced this week, Samsung saw substantial earnings improvement led by sales of its flagship products such as Galaxy S7 and S7 edge. A streamlined mid-to low-end smartphone lineup also contributed to improved profitability for the company. According to Samsung, it shipped about 90 million handsets in the April-June period with smartphones making up more than 80 per cent of the total, the Korea Herald reported. Samsung's second-quarter smartphone shipments are estimated at about 72 million units, almost doubling Apple's iPhone shipments of 40.4 million units during the same period."
I am very impressed with my S7 Edge. It took me a little time to adjust to the curved screen, but all in all I prefer it to my iPhone 6. If Samsung continues to move forward, and Apple does not step up its game, this could be the the new normal.
But, But, But.... according to this earlier today: https://apple.slashdot.org/sto...
the "iphone" is the most popular product of all time!!!! It is the best thing since sliced bread! It solved all the world's problems! It changed the world! Nothing else existed before it and everything about it was brand new and innovative! The article reads like distorted wet-dream fanclub marketing propaganda, completely ignoring reality and everything that lead up to it and happened after.
Anyway, go Samsung! Nice to have quality choices in a far less walled-in environment.
It's been 9 months since the general availability of Android marshmallow, and yet the Galaxy Tab S still haven't received this update. I understand that most manufacturers these days treat tablets and tablet users as an unwanted bastard child, but the Tab S was basically Samsung's flagship tablet until almost one year ago.
Apple is pricing itself out of the market
Funny, every iPhone owner I know upgrades yearly. Some are behind the curve, upgrading to the from the 3yr old device to the 2yr old device because they're broke AF, but they all upgrade yearly.
That's not a put-down, either; at least for those on the most recent devices. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be on the fastest, newest, shiniest hardware, and people on both sides do it.
If Samsung's sales are only higher than Apple's over the past quarter simply because, as you claim, Android phones need to be upgraded more often, why haven't they been higher in past quarters? Could it not be that Apple's sales are declining (they are) because their product line is stagnating and only seeing minimally incremental changes for the past year or so (it is) while Samsung is actually improving their products significantly?
The S7 Edge was enough to catch my firmly-entrenched-in-the-iOS-ecosystem wife's eye. She tried getting me to trade phones with her for a week so she could try it out, but I just can't use an iPhone as my primary device.
My iPad Pro, on the other hand... I love the fuck out of that thing, I just can't do Android on a tablet. I use the two devices differently, and Android just happens to better fit how I use a phone, while iOS better fits how I use a tablet.
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I think the way it works is you have to buy a new one.
Most of those serial updates get new smartphone every year, because people will buy anything if you give them a credit and an installment plan. That's how it works.
Well, google had this formal (or perhaps informal) agreement with the hardware companies and a promise to the consumers that all Android devices get two years of updates. I am not complaining that you get no update (supposedly it's coming). What I am saying Samsung takes almost like a year to give an update, which is ridiculous. I remember they did the same when rolling out Android 5.0.x (it took almost a year), and then they completely skipped the 5.1 and went for 6.0, which is now almost like a year old.
Parent post and TFA made equal amount of sense.
After all, there is a vast difference between a shipment (sending the product to a warehouse or store) and a sale (customer actually purchasing the product).
It's nice that Samsung shipped more phones than Apple, but how many of them are sitting in a stuffed channel, as opposed to sitting in customer hands as a sold item?
Apple only reports actual sales, so until/unless Samsung reports actual sales, TFA means absolutely nothing at all, and looks awfully the same as Microsoft's old Xbox channel-stuffing antics.
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Not to take anything away from Samsung, but there's a bit of an apples vs. oranges comparison here (no pun intended). Apple never reports shipments but only reports sales. It would be more useful to compare total Galaxy sales to total iPhone sales. Who knows how many low and mid-end phones Samsung ships which may inflate its totals.
I have the 8.5 Tab S and found a marshmallow ROM for it. Was pretty easy to root and flash it. You should look into it, Samsung wont be updating it.
Anyone can spike market share by shipping into channels. Indeed if you have the capacity to overship you either are building too much inventory or too much manufacturing capacity.
But is is none-the-less an interesting indicator of possible sales expectations.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Updates are the exact reason I left Android and I'm not going back until the problem is fixed. My last phone was Android 2.3 when I bought it, and it was only released 6 months before Android 4 came out. I never saw a single update to that phone. And it was an LG with the Google logo engraved on the back, so you think that Google, or LG, or somebody would stand behind the phone and offer updated software. But nope. Not a single update.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
They tried to do the Apple-style memory cash grab with the S6, and consumers said no thanks. Good to see they learned their lesson. Everyone wins!
Isn't it great when these mega companies make huge profits? Not really. It's only great if they invest that money in R&D. If they are waiting around for someone else to come up with a new idea they can copy then they can go to hell. It's one thing to cut your costs to the bone to compete with innovators, but another to support a worthwhile R&D team that can move the technology forward.
Most of us know who is resting on their laurels and who are pushing the envelope. Amazon, Google, Apple, IBM, Intel and Elon Musk are accumulating patents at a fantastic rate (and a few of them represent real innovation). I don't know where Samsung stands on innovation- please advise.
...omphaloskepsis often...
I'm seeing more and more people using Apple desktops and laptops for all sorts of software development. Developing anything but windows-only software on a Windows system is just painful, and Linux desktops still have a dearth of everyday business-necessary applications (like Office). The Mac gives you the best of both worlds.
FWIW: Apple just had a blowout quarter. Share price is way up.
Also, there is Apple watch, and Apple pay; although neither of those seem to be going anywhere.
In the 1990s, Apple made high margins on their PCs, and almost went bankrupt.
Businesses preferred the much less expensive Windows boxes. So windows became the standard.
Once you control the standard, everybody else is an also-ran.
If Android because the dominate standard in smart phones, Apple is in serious trouble. I think Apple makes about 60% of their revenue, and 80% of their profits from iPhones. If iPhone sales slip, it might be 1997 all over again.
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The update problem was actually fixed. You just need to buy a Google Nexus device. They get the fastest and the most frequent updates. The way I see it, for the people who care about guaranteed fast security updates, there is only one choice, Apple or Google Nexus. On top of that, the Nexus devices often give a very good on the money spent.
How is that relevant to iOS vs Android, when a Samsung device costs just as much as an iPhone?
Which also means that Apple has more room to engage in a price war, if it comes down to that.
If Apple starts slashing prices then it's game over for them. The sell a high margin, aspirational device that, like jewellery, people want because it's overpriced and exclusive. Having the latest one is a sign of affluence and membership of a club, being part of something.
If they make it cheap then it becomes just another low-mid range phone, with two year old hardware.
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Because Samsung's flagship S7 products aren't the only Android phones on the market. Which is why iPhone only has 15% of the smartphone market share. Android is the standard.
Funny, every iPhone owner I know upgrades yearly.
Yeah, yeah, all two of them.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
So clearly in 2016 Samsung is the winner because they had a terrible year in 2015, while Apple is TEH L00zer because they had an incredible 2015.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Because Samsung's flagship S7 products aren't the only Android phones on the market. Which is why iPhone only has 15% of the smartphone market share. Android is the standard.
So Android is the standard for what exactly? Cheap phones used to replace and in the same way as dumb phones?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
The only thing that keeps the Mac relevant and growing is the need to develop for iOS.
They sell 4+ million Macs every quarter just to iOS developers? Yeah, sure.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
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Parent post and TFA made equal amount of sense.
After all, there is a vast difference between a shipment (sending the product to a warehouse or store) and a sale (customer actually purchasing the product).
Yeah, this is a commonly quoted 'defence' whenever someone gets sad that Apple are being outsold by . It might be true on occasion that shipment figures are bigger than sales but in general, where do you think these phones are being shipped *to*? Why would anyone buy then if they weren't pretty sure they could sell them on? Shipments equal sales over a reasonable period of time, because if they don't you have a valuable warehouse costing someone a whole boatload of money as the inventory depreciates.
Will it finally do as much as the Samsung Galaxy S4?
Samsung is several years ahead in every way on their devices. I don't know why it's taking so long for apple users to notice this and switch, but finally they're doing so.
Honestly, this is what confuses me. The iPad is, de-facto, the industry leading tablet, it beats anything else I've seen to date in battery life, performance, and usability. The iPhone, on the other hand... every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
I've never been able to put my finger on it, honestly. And yes, I did actually use an iPhone for a bit, before I got my first Android phone, so it's not like I've never actually given it a real go; i have, it's just not for me (or most other people, obviously). There's just something about the organizational structure of the interface that bugs me. As similar as iOS and Android are when it comes to the "find icon, tap icon, app launches" interface paradigm, Android just feels... better. I feel like I can pop that app open, glean the information I need from it, and be done faster on Android than on iOS, and this is despite the fact that i still haven't bothered to place apps on my home screen on my Android phone, they're all still in the app drawer, while my wife has her iPhone home screen "pages" fairly well organized.
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She actually ended up with a 6S Plus because her 6 Plus was having issues so no upgrades for her for a while. I think she was more interested in the interface, though, not the capabilities of the hardware. The specific things that make people prefer the Android interface over iOS (or vise versa, for that matter) are things that Apple either wont change for philosophical reasons or can't change for patent and licensing reasons.
On the other hand, for those who do care more about hardware capabilities than interface functionality, sure, Apple might have the faster CPU (actually, they don't as of this generation of devices), but that isn't gonna give the iPhone full NFC capabilities any time soon. In fact, no, I take that back, that one's for the interface geeks, as well; the iPhone hardware has full NFC capabilities, yet my wife has to hand me her NFC toll cards (around here it's Clipper) to find out what's left on them as Apple has chosen not to allow developers to use that hardware. I've been able to read those cards (and not have to drive out of my way to a transit station (around here that's BART), to find out what's on the cards in order to plan and budget for a trip into SF, for 4 years now. Where's this functionality on an Apple device? And, when the nearest BART station is now a 40 minute drive with a $5 toll on the return trip, that's more than a convenience feature, especially when we tend to plan these trips days in advance so, no, it's not like we'd be using that gas and paying that toll anyway.
I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
No, I don't think Apple is ever going to "fix" the iPhone. There are some things they could (but won't) fix and others they're legally restrained from fixing. The latter, I'm sure, could be worked around with a bit of licensing, but that would drive up the price of the phone to more than I'd be willing to pay, while the former would require a complete change in the company's core philosophies.
I will admit, though, the iPhone does seem to run Pokemon GO better than any Android device I've seen it on. So... There that, I guess?
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I'll admit I've never tried iOS on a tablet, only Android, but I love android on a tablet.
That said, I have used iOS on a phone unfortunately, work had me saddled with an iPhone until a few months ago when I finally convinced them to let me upgrade to a refurbished Galaxy S5, night and day difference, I am so much happier now, the S5 does so much more than the iPhone did, and is MUCH easier to use too. You also just can't beat Android's consistent UI, the fragmented mess that are apps in the iOS world are impossible to navigate. Long live the ever-present, non-moving, consistent functioning back button!
It's been like a decade since the first iPhone was released. Even a "cheap smartphone" has much better h/w specs than an iPhone 4S. You can get an Android phone with similar hardware specs to a top end iPhone for nearly half the price. Unless you are one of those persons who cares more about the box than what's inside you don't buy Apple... The S7 has way superior hardware specs where it counts.
Much like the PC market had Compaq, HP, Dell, and Intergraph workstations at one point, of course the S7 is more expensive. But that's the thing. There's a model for every price point and it has better hardware for $ spent.
100% agree on the back button. What's funny is that iPhone users say the same about Android apps being a fragmented mess because "iOS provides a standard set of interface elements", completely ignoring the fact that Android does as well but that really only matters if app developers use them; which they don't on either platform because every app has to have its own shiny to set it apart from the others. In the face of all the "unique" shiny, that back button is a bastion of comfort, for sure.
You should to check out an iPad in the store though. Or, better, ask a friend to borrow yours (assuming being an iOS user isn't an automatic de-friend for you) so you can see what real apps (and not just the demo crap) are like on one. The kind of apps one is more likely to use on a tablet actually function well on an iPad; or, at least, the ones I use.
I do butt heads with the lack of a proper filesystem at times, but the "share with [X] app" and "open in [X] app" workarounds have also saved me from destroying something I was working on in several instances, so I've come to the conclusion it's a fair trade. The amount of time I spend dealing with those "features" of iOS is roughly equal to the amount of work I would have lost if not for those features, so it's really 6 of one, half-dozen of the other; same amount of time wasted in different places.
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every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
Other than the fact that most people use the iPad in Landscape and the iPhone in Portrait the majority of the time, and the differences in screen size, there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet. But you already know that.
It must just be a matter of user expectation on your part, or possibly what you typically use each device for. Other than that, I can't imagine why you would have such diametrically-opposed feelings about the same OS on the two devices.
I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
I am interested to see what happens with iOS 10; because it looks like Apple is beginning to fundamentally change some of the UI.
But, given your professed love for your iPad Pro (I'm jealous, BTW), your hatred of the iPhone with the heat of a thousand Suns simply doesn't make much sense, NFC-annoyance aside. I honestly really like my 6+, and other than a little occasional wonkiness with the gyro-reading of Portrait vs. Landscape orientations, I couldn't be happier. But obviously YMMV...
there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet
Except that I pull my phone out when I need to get at some piece of information quickly and I pull my iPad out when I'm settling in to do something that's maybe going to take a bit longer. In the latter case, the OS interface being a little slower matters less because a larger percentage of time is spent in-app, while in the former case a larger percentage of time is spent in the OS interface, so efficiency there matters much more.
I've, frankly, found the widgets and notifications available in iOS far less effective than Android's widget and notification systems. The notifications, perhaps less so, but the ability to drop widgets on my home screen means I don't have to fill my lock screen with a ton of "scroll through to maybe find what you're looking for if you don't scroll past it" crap, as is the case on iOS. For a device primarily used for quick access to information, that literally makes all the difference.
It may also be that I primarily use my iPad Pro with a physical keyboard, which is something a bit more cumbersome to carry with a phone, and Pencil which doesn't work with the iPhone in the first place, whereas the typical use case for a phone involves a purely touch (and maybe voice) interface.
TL;DR: there are quite significant differences in tablet and phone usage.
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It really boils down to how I use the devices. On my phone, I have widgets on the lock screen (not in a pulldown, on the lock screen itself), more widgets in a pulldown that exists on both the lock screen and the home screen (a-la iOS), and on the home screen as well. All of them provide different information and functionality and are arranged form most used (on the lock screen) to least (on the home screen). iOS, in its current incarnation lacks, both the former and latter options, which eliminates roughly 90% of what I use my phone for over my iPad. And the lack of physical keyboard and pressure-sensitive stylus eliminates roughly 90% of what I use my iPad for over my phone, so even an iPhone (for which the Pencil is useless and a physical keyboard is a cumbersome additional item to carry, rather than a simple case as with the iPad) doesn't fill those gaps.
I understand that some people (likely the other poster in this thread, but I somehow doubt you fit into this category) use their tablet as an oversized phone, and for those people there's really no difference other than their tablet not having a voice plan through their wireless carrier. Those people use both devices identically, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness (see: iPad selfie) so, of course, they prefer the same OS and interface on both, and those are the very same set who will have either an iPhone and an iPad, an Android phone and Android tablet (as with the other poster in this thread), just a phone (because why bother with a tablet that is just going to server the purpose already served by the phone?), or just a tablet (because who needs a phone in 2016?); and that's fine, that's what works for them.
But, I believe you and I are enough similar (both power-users, to say the least) that it makes sense for us to purchase devices with their specific purposes in mind. For me, that means Android's widgets for my get-information-quickly device and iOS's more elegant (IMO) interface for switching between (and now splitscreening) applications for my sit-down-and-do-stuff-on-the-go device. Something tells me the information you often seek is different than that which I often seek, so iOS's notifications and widgets drawer might be more suited to your needs.
Personally, the longer I have to interact with the phone, the more I want to get it out of my hand; and I spend longer interacting with an iPhone to get the same information. The rare exception to that is web browsing and mobile games. For games, I really don't see a difference between the two and I'm more than happy to collect Pokemon for my wife while she's driving, provided she hands it to me already unlocked and running. For web browsing, now there's where the real fire and brimstone absolute hatred comes into play, I really DO NOT like Safari and my wife does not have Chrome on her iPhone. I have it on my iPad and it's fine. Yes, I realize it's just a Chrome skin over top of Safari, but it's really iOS Safari's interface that bugs the heck out of me. Honestly, she says it bugs her as well, but not nearly as much as iOS insisting on opening external links in Safari despite her preference (which iOS doesn't allow her to declare); she prefers a single browser and I don't find fault with that. I'm a web developer, so I'm already used to switching browsers all day and that doesn't bother me nearly as much as being stuck with Safari's "you're too dumb to decide for yourself whether you want the desktop or mobile version of this page" interface. Especially in a world where mobile versions are, still in fucking 2016, quite often nowhere near as capable as, and often lack much of the information available from, their desktop counterparts. As a web developer, this grinds my gears so hard!
I fear, at this point, that I've perhaps exposed too much of my psyche in this post... Oh well, you already knew I was off my rocker. Or, at least, had your suspicions.
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Samsung has been beating Apple in smartphone shipments since 2012.
That's not true. Apple reports a device as sold as soon as the retailer takes shipment. This is standard accounting. Apple "sells" the phone to the retailer not to the end user - except of course phones that are in stock in the Apple Stores.
If you read most of Apple's quarterly financial discussions, they will talk about either number of devices "in the channel" or the change in the number of devices in the channel. Given that number, you can calculate sell through. But that's not the number of devices sold.
(making numbers up for illustration purposes)
If Apple said that sold 1000 phones and they reduced channel inventory by 500. That means 1500 phones were bought by end users. They would have only reported "sales" of 1000 though. The other 500 would have been counted as sales during a prior quarter.
Phones are about the only device where the manufacturer could know when a sale actually reaches a customer because they have to activate the device would Apple. A TV manufacturer, for instance, would have no way of knowing when a TV was bought by a customer.
So why do you think your anecdotal evidence is relevant?
If most people upgrade their device yearly, why would Apple bother providing iOS updates for circa 2011 iPhone 4s?
Even iOS 10,when released will support every phone released since 2012.
Yes, Android it's also the operating system powering the dumb feature phone segment of the market. But that cheap crap is far from being in the same class as a new Galaxy or an iPhone.
See above. It also helps sales when your devices are no longer updated after the first year.
Only for Fandroids.
And the basis for this tautology? And why would they care after they've destroyed other brands in a price war? Apple can cut their prices 20% and still make a tidy profit. Samsung cuts their prices 20%, and their balls are in the bandsaw.
New Samsung phone snazzier than a year old (nearly) product from a competitor. This shocking, shocking development at 6.
Uh, you would hope so, compared to a five year old device.
Yes, just as you can buy a laptop "with similar specs" to a Macbook Pro for half as much money, as long as you're going to settle for three times the weight and pretend a spinning disk is equivalent to PCI-E based storage.
So why do you think your anecdotal evidence is relevant?
For a start, I know a lot of people with iPhones. Enough to be statistically relevant. We're not talking about my phone, we're talking about several dozen, if not over a hundred phones belonging to people I know and communicate with frequently enough to notice they've upgraded their phone. If I was simply talking about my or my wife's upgrade habits, or maybe a handful of my closest friend,s you might have a valid point; but we're not and you don't.
If most people upgrade their device yearly, why would Apple bother providing iOS updates for circa 2011 iPhone 4s?
Because, as I said in my previous post:
Some are behind the curve, upgrading to the from the 3yr old device to the 2yr old device because they're broke AF, but they all upgrade yearly.
Apple still sells the devices, therefore Apple still supports the devices.
Even iOS 10,when released will support every phone released since 2012.
Sorry, not gonna let this devolve into an Android vs iOS holy war. If you'd read my entire post before spouting off, you'd realize that I do, in fact, also use iOS. Just don't be surprised when the support stops at 4 years and 2012 devices don't get iOS 10; it would be a first if they did.
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"Several dozen people" when Apple will probably sell 160 million phones is not "statistically significant". "the people you know who own iPhones" are not representative of a product that is sold globally.
Studies are done on a population of billions with only a few hundred participants with an acceptable margin of error (385 participants nets a margin of error of 5% and a confidence level of 95% in a population of 3 billion); when you're only considering millions, a sampling of even a couple dozen will result in a statistically acceptable margin of error and confidence level.
To my point, a sample size of only 97 grants us a 10% margin of error given your proposed population of 160 million; my sample size is easily larger than that and my margin of error is nearer to 9% with a confidence level of 95%. That's pretty damn statistically significant.
Don't take my word for it; the math is well known and relatively simple, but there are also sample size calculators that can do the work for you.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
It's been like a decade since the first iPhone was released. Even a "cheap smartphone" has much better h/w specs than an iPhone 4S. You can get an Android phone with similar hardware specs to a top end iPhone for nearly half the price
Then why even Android fan sites test those cheap Android phones as being shit? Why do Fandroids on Slashdot treat somebody like an idiot for buying them? Or even the "wrong" "high-end" one?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Did you forget about the *representative* sample part? Are your "dozens" of friends representative of the cross section of the worldwide customer base of people who use iPhones?
Did you forget about the *representative* sample part?
Nope.
Are your "dozens" of friends representative of the cross section of the worldwide customer base of people who use iPhones?
First of all, I never said "friends", I said "every iPhone owner I know" and "people I know and communicate with frequently". That mostly includes colleagues and clients and, yes, that group consists of people of all races, genders, sexual orientations, income levels, and nationalities, both in the US and abroad, so I should think it does.
Save yourself some time and embarrassment, review my posting history and realize the following: If I open my mouth, I have a high degree of certainty that I am correct; but, I remain open to the idea that I am wrong, as well. If someone points out that I may be incorrect, I listen, I evaluate, and I thank them if it turns out that they've managed to correct me. It happens at least once every couple of months, more when I'm more active here; it's called learning and personal growth and you should try it.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
It's "embarrassing" that you think your "dozens of contacts" would pass muster as a longitudinal cross section of all iPhone users. Your "high degree of certainty" at being right puts you in the company of young-earth creationists and anti-vaxxers.
Are you implying that I cherry-pick my contacts and only associate with people who upgrade their phones regularly? I suppose, next, you're going to claim I chose to do so, putting together this specific list of contacts over the course of nearly two decades (long before the iPhone even existed) specifically so I could point to those users in this conversation, right?
Get a clue.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Treating like an idiot? I haven't seen that happen. Of course if you want to flash custom ROMs and things like that you would be better off buying a Google Nexus phone. But I could care less about that. I bought some cheap phone for like half the cost of a 6S and it had better hardware specs except for storage which I solved by buying a memory card (the phone has an expansion slot) for peanuts.
I'm claiming no such thing. I'm saying that Apple sells the iPhone in 100+ countries and have 200+ carriers. Does your sample size represent all of those countries and carriers? Different carrier have different marketing techniques. Is your sample size representative of the different ways that carriers sell phones and does your sample size have the same ratio? Some carriers have a lease program that would encourage yearly upgrades. Other carriers make you pay the full price up front. Any of your contacts in foreign countries that speak fluent English are statistically more likely to be better educated.
Considering that the US, Europe, China, and Japan account for 92.798% of iPhone sales and my sample covers those countries and then some, across a variety of carriers (again, I'm not just acquainted with, say, Verizon customers), it's a safe bet my bases are covered. Statistical surveys aren't intended to be 100% perfect; they cant be. The only way to get 100% perfect accuracy, which is what it seems you're after, is to poll 100% of the population. Again, statistically valid studies are done on populations of 3+ billion with less than 4x my sample size, and we're talking about a population of less than 1/5 that size with a well distributed sample size.
You can argue with me all you want but, until you've done your own study, you really don't know whether or not mine is valid.
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So now you've claimed to "have done a study"?
Care to show your statitistical model and sample in relation to how many phones each carrier sold in each region?
So now you've claimed to "have done a study"?
More of one than you have.
Care to show your statitistical model and sample in relation to how many phones each carrier sold in each region?
No. None of that is relevant to how often the average iPhone user upgrades their fucking phone, you dolt.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
It's completely relevant. How often someone buys a new phone would be a function of whether a certain culture sees a phone as a fashion accessory, whether they have have to pay for the phone up front, the relativel cost of the phone compared to their income, whether the carrier has an installment plan or lease plan. Used phones sell better in some countries than others etc.
So it's relevant to why, but we're not discussing why they upgrade, we're discussing if they upgrade. Note the use of the word "upgrade". A used phone can still be an upgrade, and I never said "new".
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
If they upgrade would be dependent on all those factors. So unless you both have a large enough sample of the given population and that sample is proportional your sample size of "dozens" means nothing.
And my sample covers well over 90% of the iPhone-buying set. Stop being a fuckind pedant, it will get you nowhere in life.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
So your sample covers the iPhone buying set taking all the variables into account in the representative proportions? Have you taken into consideration all of the variables in your sample dara? Have you studied the different markets where Apple sells iPhones to know what proportions of their phones are sold in which geographic area?
I did, in fact, research the geographic distribution of Apple's phone sales; how do you think I was able to tell you my sample covers more than 92% of that population? As for the rest, no. I ddn't draw any conclusioms from my data that would require that I do so. I merely stated that the iPhone users I know all upgrade yearly and that they account for a not-statistically-insignificant portion of the population. You're the one trying to turn this into a full-blown fucking study. At this point I'm not sure if you're trolling or just a dipshit but I'm done with you.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
And you didn't answer the rest of the questions. At this point it's kind of obvious that you never studied proper statistical analysis....
I'll assume you simply didn't see that. But seriously, we're done here.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.