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Bar In UK Uses Faraday Cage To Block Mobile Phone Signals (telegraph.co.uk)

Reader Bruce66423 writes: A cocktail bar owner has installed a Faraday cage in his walls to prevent mobile phone signals entering the building. Steve Tyler of the Gin Tub, in Hove, East Sussex, is hoping customers will be encouraged to talk to each other rather than looking at their screens. He has installed metal mesh in the walls and ceiling of the bar which absorbs and redistributes the electromagnetic signals from phones and wireless devices to prevent them entering the interior of the building. The effect was discovered in 1836 by scientist Michael Faraday and is often used in power plants or other highly charged environments to prevent shocks or interference with other electronic equipment. Some wallets are now cloaked in a similar flexible mesh to prevent data and credit card theft. Mr Tyler said he wanted to force "people to interact in the real world" and remember how to socialise. "I just wanted people to enjoy a night out in my bar, without being interrupted by their phones," he said. "So rather than asking them not to use their phones, I stopped the phones working. I want you to enjoy the experience of going out."

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  1. Good thing you have a choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good thing you have a choice whether to give them business, or not.

    But something tells me the typical Slashdotter will still have a knee-jerk complaint about it.

    1. Re:Good thing you have a choice by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? It's not technically a jammer, it's how the building is constructed, it's not broadcasting a jamming field...

    2. Re:Good thing you have a choice by MadCow42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wouldn't be? As long as it's passive blocking (i.e. Faraday cage), and not active blocking (like a signal blocking device that transmits interference/etc) then I can't see how it would be illegal in the USA either.

      There's nothing illegal about parking garages and other buildings that block cell signals... they're everywhere.

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    3. Re:Good thing you have a choice by D.McG. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be legal in the U.S.

      This is passive. The bar owner is not flooding the airwaves with noise without a license. The bar owner is not obligated to use building materials that are transparent to radio waves.

    4. Re:Good thing you have a choice by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How the *fuck* did we function during the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s without mobile phones and *active* terrorist cells on the UK mainland carrying out IRA attacks?

      Somehow, someone still managed to call the police without a mobile phone...

      "But what if there is a terrorist attack!?!" has rapidly become the new "wont somebody think of the children?!?" in ridiculous arguments either for or against something.

    5. Re:Good thing you have a choice by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wouldn't be illegal under FCC in the US, but it's still endangering people by blocking calls to emergency services. It shouldn't necessarily be legal.

      I'm pretty sure that the bar has a landline telephone. Pick it up; punch 999 (UK), 112 (EU), or 911 (US). It's not that hard. If it was my bar, I'd install a couple of pay phones back by the WC for nostalgia's sake and a little extra profit. They also get emergency numbers for free. Otherwise, join the smokers out side for your Twitter fix. I'd be happy to stop bye if I was in the neighborhood.

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    6. Re:Good thing you have a choice by Ramze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong. Jamming EM frequencies or using EM frequencies to cause interference is illegal. It's damned well legal to put any ol' wire mesh in your building if you please. People put wire mesh in their attics to keep critters out.

      I hate to break it to you, but even though your cell phone can dial 911, your cell phone is not an official emergency service either. You can grab a payphone or use the office's phone to dial 911 if the establishment even has a phone -- which, by the way, isn't a requirement either.

      For those that don't understand the concept, EM radiation has a very difficult time penetrating wet concrete and thick metal. That's why basements of large concrete buildings and around elevator shafts have no phone signal. Anyone who wishes can build out of concrete and steel and have no cell phone service in their building also -- and perfectly legally.

      Just FYI, there are wallpaper manufacturers which sell EM shielding wallpaper for commercial and private use -- lots of places use it to block FM/AM/UHF/VHF and cell phone signals -- especially government offices.

    7. Re:Good thing you have a choice by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every life saved by a mobile has to be balanced by all the lives lost due to them. Inattentive driving due to mobile use has claimed millions of lives. Many people have died on foot or bicycle as well while glued to their phones. I don't think it is an easy thing to determine if they have saved more or claimed more lives. I'm no luddite, but I don't see them as a purely good force.

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    8. Re:Good thing you have a choice by digitig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the old days you you stepped out of the bar to make a call - the landline phones were typically in the corridor leading to the washrooms, because the bar was too noisy for voice calls, or you might have had to look for a public phone box in the street. And guess what! Stepping outside the bar (and the Faraday cage) would still work!

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    9. Re:Good thing you have a choice by sabri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Inattentive driving due to mobile use has claimed millions of lives.

      Citation needed.

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    10. Re:Good thing you have a choice by locofungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How the *fuck* did we function during the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s without mobile phones

      We used to plan.

      There would be an agreed meeting point if we got separated (or common sense - go back to the place where we last saw each other)

      People would arrive on time. If people hadn't turned up, five minute after the agreed time we'd be off and the latecomers were on their own.

      Nowadays, people text five minutes before the agreed time to say they're going to be an hour late[1]. People also assume the most optimistic times for a journey instead of a realistic time.

      Late entry into theatres and concerts has, IME, become much more common. 20 years ago there might one one or two couples who were let in in the first break - and you felt sorry for them because obviously there'd been an accident or something else completely unexpected that had delayed them excessively. Now it's dozens of people - often so many that it's not actually possible to seat them all in the few minutes before the second piece starts.

      [1] This is the one that really pisses me off. It's taken me an hour to get to our agreed meeting point. I've arrived a good ten minutes early out of courtesy, and then I'm kept waiting around for another hour.

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  2. Re:Just hope there is no incident that happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are literally a 3 second walk from one of several doors at any given time. I'm sure they'll be fine.

  3. Re:Just hope there is no incident that happens by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just hope there is no incident that happens where some really needs to make a call.

    As long as people are aware of the situation then what's the problem??

    I can drive 5 miles off the freeway around here and not have any cell service. Should I be scared to go there because I might really need to make a call?

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  4. Want this at my movie theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Will hopefully reduce/stop the number of mobile screens turning on & off in front of me.

  5. Re:Liability risk by subk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does that mean I can sue the city when I miss an important call while in a parking deck? Get real, mate. There's nothing to stop this guy from saying "get off my lawn". Passive blocking is his prerogative. If you don't want to lose contact, drink somewhere else.

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  6. Re:Article Coming Soon: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the implication here is that he would rather people like you go somewhere else. Nothing worse than someone loudly yapping on the phone at the bar. This place is aiming to become a refuge for people like us, against people like you.

  7. Re:Liability risk by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the UK, those lawsuits dont happen here because we have common fucking sense - you have no inherent human right to make or receive phone calls on private property, so there is no implicit consent needed. Faraday cage or not, missing someones death or your kid getting knocked down gives you no grounds to sue the property owner because you couldnt make or receive a phone call.

  8. Re:Liability risk by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As soon as one of his customers has a serious emergency while at the bar, and ends up missing their grandmother's death or their kid being hit by a car, it will be lawsuit time. I think it's a novel idea, but even in a less litigious country than the US, you'd have to have a sign outside the bar announcing the Faraday cage for entering to be considered implicit consent to have your wireless signal blocked. (I would think. I'm not a lawyer though.)

    As someone who remembers a world before cell phones, I really get tired of this legal argument.

    No government issues citizens a mandatory cell phone. Cellular service is also not legally mandated by any Fire Marshall for the purposes of certifying building occupancy, nor is it a requirement to establish and run a bar business.

    And until they do, how about we FUCKING DROP this bullshit notion that you can sue someone for not having cellular capability 24 hours a day everywhere.

  9. Emergency phone by infernalC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I direct a Boy Scouts of America-accredited Cub Scout Day Camp. We operate our camp in an area with no cellular phone coverage. There are POTS phones, however, and we post a list of emergency phone numbers and directions to the nearest emergency phone in each program area.

    I suspect this guy has a POTS or VOIP telephone somewhere in the bar. The prudent thing to do in a place of public accommodation where cellular telephone service is not available is to post a notice that a telephone is available for emergencies and state where it is. It's that simple. He probably already has a posted map to the fire exits in the main dining room/bar already, if fire safety regulations there are anything like what they are here.

    I think if the guy were to post "EMERGENCY TELEPHONE BEHIND BAR - DIAL 911" (substitute whatever the dispatcher number is in the UK is) on the door underneath his business hours, he'd be doing his due.

  10. Step outside with your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm hardly ever on my phone, but I do need to be available for emergency calls, and that's why I have a phone in the first place. If I DO have to take a call, I tend to say "please excuse me, I have an important call" and then I go outside with my phone. I don't want those around me to hear me struggling to hear the caller and hushing their conversation, and I don't like to struggle to hear the caller in the first place.
    Cameras? Pictures? Facebook? Games? I think that these are what the owner of the establishment had in mind as he put the Faraday cage into his walls... His comment was that he wanted :people to interact with the real world." I think he is trying to discourage the man sitting alone in his bar from being on his cell phone playing games, the woman sitting alone at the table scrolling through facebook... He wants to take away the distractions that people use to isolate themselves and avoid intereacting with strangers, and probably hopes that people in his establishment will actually start to talk and interact together. I don't know if this will work, but good luck to him!

  11. Pub Quiz by RDW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least they can have a decent pub quiz that isn't ruined by surreptitious Googling (though some git will probably download offline Wikipedia).