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Microsoft Swaps Toy Gun Emoji For Revolver -- Days After Apple Does the Opposite (arstechnica.co.uk)
The pistol emoji has become a heated topic of debate among people. Apple's decision to replace the gun with a toy pistol is getting a mixed response. Amid all this, Microsoft has announced it is replacing the toy gun emoji with a symbol for a real revolver. ArsTechnica reports: This emoji change is part of the Windows 10 Anniversary Update, which is rolling out now. The move has surprised some, as Microsoft and Apple had been seen as allies in an effort to dial down violence in emoji generally. In June it emerged that the two had successfully lobbied to have a sports rifle removed from the latest collection of emoji, as it was felt that two firearm symbols would be too many.Microsoft says it is only trying "to align with the global Unicode standard." The issue is that despite Apple's thought on the matter, when an iPhone (or iPad or a Mac) user sends a water pistol emoji, people with devices running non-Apple OS are only going to see a regular pistol. The article adds: Analysts had been worried that without standardisation between platforms, intent for violent emoji could be misunderstood. For instance, if someone sent an acquaintance a message using their iPhone offering to come around with some friends and some waterguns, that acquaintance might well misunderstand the thrust of the message if they were using an Android phone and saw a series of pistols.Emojipedia, an emoji reference website has a good suggestion: Apple: Don't change the pistol emoji. At least not today. Hide it. Unicode does not depreciate emojis, but there is no requirement to show all approved emojis on the keyboard. The pistol emoji could be removed from the iOS emoji keyboard without causing any cross platform compatibility issues.
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The cry of the SJW!
Your rights are subordinate to weakling's feelings!
Really the fact that we have Emojis is bad enough having news stories about them is just too much to take.
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Good to know that Microsoft continues to care for us, unlike Apple.
Now at Microsoft must be coherent with that no censor policy and add also as quickly the penis, vagina, buttocks and boobs emojis.
True. Only women and homosexuals use Apple devices.
I saw the picture, and that's not a toy gun. That's a phaser -- but from the Jetsons future, not the Star Trek future.
My best friend was killed by a gun emoji.
It's been 8 days without a mass shooting, we have to do something about that!
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the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
I'm not even going to touch on the gun control argument that frankly gets retarded fast (from both sides)
But i'm definitely not in support of banning assault emojis or even requiring background checks. I fully support concealed cary emoji's as well
Making the emoji a water gun will make people use it more in playfull manner. Other non iOS users will see it as a real gun and you can guess the rest (hint: last step is profit)
If you use windows 10 you probably want a gun close.
How about some common sense and realize that a gun emoji isn't going to cause any violence? And while we are at it realize that guns don't cause violence and people are plenty capable of that on their own, guns or no guns.
(Funny, my CAPTCHA was "gunshot")
When are we going to get a penis emoji and an asshole emoji that, through the magic of Unicode combining characters, can depict fantastic gaysex? I bought my Apple product to show that I'm here and I'm queer, but the emoji support just isn't complete in that regard.
And by moms, I do not just mean women. We have plenty of ficking emasculated people with xy chromosomes. I say take their band-aids away and let them cry.
Why are emojis part of unicode to begin with? Is it literally just because it became popular with 12 year olds and 30 year olds who still think they're 12 so they needed to do something with them? Couldn't we have just made the right choice, declare emojis absolutely stupid, and take away the phones of people that try to use them? I loathe that my phone highlights words it has an emoji for. "Hey do you want to swap out this perfectly understandable English word for a tiny little picture of the thing your talking about?". "Actually, no I don't. I don't live in a pictographic culture so the written word is just fine. Thanks." I received a text invitation from my cousin (See 30yr old bracket above) to a party and I almost couldn't figure out what it meant. There were pictures of chicken drumsticks, ballons, fried shrimp, those stupid noise makers you blow into, a strawberry, a piece of cake or pie, a hotdog, and a couple of drink looking things. There were more emojis than text, so I just couldn't bring myself to actually respond to that mess.
TL;DR I hate emojis and everyone that uses them.
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Microsoft and Apple had been seen as allies in an effort to dial down violence in emoji generally
Silicon Valley emits vast amounts of gay propaganda, but they're scared of pictures of revolvers?
How the hell are gun emojis tied to violence? I'm a pretty liberal guy, but this is liberalism going crazy. Removing characters from our language is not going to make the world more or less peaceful (and I'm sorry, but now emojis for better or worse, are part of our language). This is some crazy 1984 New Speak stuff.
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The spoken language is very imprecise. If it weren't, laws would be interpreted the same way by everyone and we wouldn't need a court system. And when it's written it can be even more so because the facial expressions and tone of speech is missing.
These emoji things are a shortcut of communicating and as result, make them ripe for misinterpretation by the most intelligent among us. Just because it seems perfectly clear in your own mind doesn't mean it is in another.
And I'd like to point out that labeling someone as an idiot because they don't understand how you express yourself will get you labeled the same way.
Emoji's are meant to be a quick and simple way to express what is going on in our lives. Guns are real part of our lives. They can be used for cruelty or entertainment. If we keep censoring every little thing because someone might be offended we'll devolve in and Orwellian society.
You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
Water Pistol emoji's with poison do...... damn you Apple and your poisonous ways.....
Obviously we should remove the word "pistol" from the dictionary as well. If we can't say or type it, it doesn't exist.
This is why we need to remove all violent words from the dictionary. We will be safer once the idea of violence becomes foreign.
Unicode defines the glyph (U+1F52B in the "Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs" block) as "pistol" with the keywords "gun, handgun, pistol, revolver, tool, weapon." This is unambiguously not a symbol for a toy. Apple is in the wrong here for not adhering to standards, but being wrong and not adhering to standards has never stopped them before, so this shouldn't really be a surprise.
The penis shoots seeds, and makes new life, and poisons the earth with a plague of men, as once it was.
But the gun shoots death, and purifies the earth of the filth of brutals.
Go forth and kill!
May the blessings of Zardoz be upon you.
As noted by other japes above, we also need a penis emoji. And a big flying stone head one. U+1F5FF doesn't cut it.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Until we get the .50 machine gun emoji?
I still can't figure out why they are so important. I have never used one myself. I don't see how they add any value to a conversation. Why are people so upset over what is - or is not - added to the collection?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
And of course, every time you use an emoji of a car or truck you are glorifying car bombs and trucks driven through crowds of celebrants.
Perhaps at some point Unicode might realise the fucking lunacy allowing emojis into their system in the first place.
The talking heads on TV and politicians need to stop blaming guns for the despicipable behavior of people.
Inanimate objects don't commit crimes and violence people do.
The only way to solve the problem of society is to fix society and address the failings of the parents, education system, gangs, drugs, a culture of violence and lack of jobs.
But that's to hard and there are no easy answers, Its to costly, requires people to be held responsible and accountable for their actions, its just easier to just blame the gun for all the bad tings.
Thank goodness we live in such a sane world. I often wonder what someone who live in poverty think about our struggles to bring freedom of political correctness to a picture we text. Some poor sap stuck in Syria or Venezuela just trying to determine how they will feed their families think about our so called civilized society. That what should be and should not be allowed to be an acceptable icon emoji picture we send should be decided by billion dollar companies all to help us poor rich bastards who have nothing better to do than to take sides in such a debate. Let me strongly say I don't give a damn and neither should you.
Softer apple users should be given the option to tone down "violent" emoticons. But Apple doesn't believe in giving users any options. This is really a multifaceted problem!
Why don't we just give up on writing and go back to hieroglyphics.
Shadowbanning
That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
If Apple reconfigures their message app to automatically strip the gun emoji when you hit send, that might qualify. It is definitely wrong, I'm just not sure I'd consider it a shadowban.
But if Apple simply hides the emoji on their keyboard, but still sends the emoji if it somehow makes it into your message anyway, that is NOT a shadowban.
People disagree and when its about stupid shit, faith or ideology or identity, we are often violent. It's just a fact.
For when you are feeling really anti-social!
In a standards-based world shouldn't we have an icon for the most numerous gun-type on the planet?
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"The pistol emoji has become a heated topic of debate among people."
There is an oddness to many people who feel rather than think. Who want to depend on emotions rather than fact.
People who get hung up on pistol icons fall into the category of "child's mind in an adult's body"
It's a form of censoring communication between users via deception. That falls under the shadowbanning category and not just straight up censorship so I stand behind my statement with a one finger salute to any and all SJWs who feel it is a "good" idea.
You find a nice Emoji you want to send only to come to realize person receiving is likely to see something completely different than what you intended assuming it will even render properly on the target device at all.
They change between operating systems and even within versions of the same operating system. What looked awesome or conveyed an idea on earlier versions of Android looks like shit in later versions of Android. What looked awesome on Android looks like shit or barely even legible on iPhone or WP receiving it.
Emoji smileys all look like bloated gummy turds as is. Between PC BS and constant reskinning to go with "design language" of the day I don't see any hope or future in Emoji. Given the current trajectory there will be some embedded reference that takes over from Unicode and with it an end to death by committee.
No guns allowed in your cell blo er I mean walled garden.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
That is the sound of Apple taking away your guns! If Apple deprecates that emoji, lawful users of iOS will no longer be able to defend themselves against Android users that are still permitted the use of guns!
*snicker*
All the emoji have this problem. My wife and I were comparing the emoticons as they appear in different messaging apps on our phones. There are subtle differences in emoji art that made us interpret the messages differently. Is that emoji confused or frustrated? There's another grin with teeth showing that could mean "Super happy and proud" but a slight artistic change makes it look shiftier, meaning "whoops..ehhh...ummm... I did it anyway. Oh well!"
In the immortal words of the comic book guy: "There is no emoticon to express what I am feeling!"
And yet I still can't post Emoji here because Slashdot doesn't support Unicode, even after SoylentNews led the way showing how to do so for the same software over a year ago.
If I post a pistol emoji, it looks like this: ðY"
Emoji may not be something most of us like, but they make a great test for seeing if a site supports unicode or not.
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Why is there ANY definition of an 'object' emoji? Emoji's were defined to express emotions not reference to physical things, if you need to tell someone you're bringing the water guns than just freakin' say so. Is there supposed to be an 'emoji' for every physical object in the world that might need a reference? I guess I just don't get what 'emotion' you're trying to convey by sending a gun emoji to begin with (real or fake).
...and let them choose their own damn emojis.
Bread and Circuses work pretty well, but you have also have to keep the service angry with each other or they turn on you. This is well known strategy dating back as far as we know. Plato and Aristotle hinted at it a bit, but "The Prince" laid it out in plain view. The politics of graphics is simply a narrative to keep the peons busy.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Well, y'see your honor, what Tony meant was, we'd have a water fight, it bein' so hot an all. But well, what I thought he meant, was...we were gonna clip that motherfucker.
Apple: Aim Different.
Microsoft: Who Do You Want to Shoot Today?
Assigning such a specific meaning to an EMOJI! EMOJI! emoji! eMOji! EmoJI! EMOJI! is a pretty fucking stupid thing to do.
That fucking stupidity is how we conclude that the smiley face codepoint is a white man and unicode and all computer programmers are all racist cis het misogyerds who can't get laid.
We need to dial down violence in text. Can't spell gun without a "G" . Take our "R" just in case someone wants to say revolver or rifle. PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Does the second amendment apply in Cyber space?
Does Apple's decision impact free speech? They are making the decision on what is and is not acceptable to communicate
They are informative.
You don't have to do everything the keywords say to conform to the standard.
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Polonium isn't soluble in water, you'll need an acid for that. Might as well go with a strong one.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
... about what you're aiming at your foot when you install Windoze 10.
There's still like famine and cancer and stuff in the world guys. Glad to see your priorities!
"Unicode does not depreciate [sic] emojis" FTFY
Well, if it's a white man emoji, you can be sure it's less criminally inclined than other emoji's at least.
Seems like Microsoft is desperate to get user for Windows 10, they're using anything at hand now to fish for users, ANYTHING.
Interestingly, "ashamed" is the captcha word xD
"violent emoji" = oxymoron.
Just another day in Paradise
No entity should be changing means of communication like this, ever. This is free speech. If I want to use a gun emoji, I'm going to do it. Who are they to decide the context of my messages and how I communicate, symbolically or otherwise?
I hope all you insufferable libtards feel the love; I come to Slashdot not for echo chamber reassurance, but to be challenged in a way that Breitbart can't. Yes, I think some of you are ridiculously SJW-like, but the majority of you LEFT-leaning (as opposed to RIGHT-leaning) intellectuals *are* (in fact) the sort of people I enjoy discourse with. Debate and argumentation is at its best when people are actually FREE to debate and argue. Like being able to burn an Amerikan flag. Or submerge a crucifix in a jar of urine. Or produce a typical Michael Moore flick. And, this bullshit about a goddamned cartoon? What I'd like to see is an emoji of that pedophile ... somewhat well known ... what's his name?
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Apple rightly understands guns are stupid and not at all necessary and kill tens of thousands of people in the US every year for no good reason......while Microsoft panders to public sentiment that is happy to ignore the reality of the rolling atrocity that is American gun culture.
I bought an Apple laptop.
Microsoft is on the side of standards, and Apple is against them? What is happening to my world!?
Obama will not take your guns, he will instead swap it out with a water pistol or a super soaker.