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BBC To Deploy Detection Vans To Snoop On Internet Users (telegraph.co.uk)

product_bucket writes: The BBC has been given permission to use a new technology to detect users of the iPlayer who do not hold a TV license. Researchers at University College London have apparently developed a method to identify specially crafted "packets" of data over an encrypted Wi-Fi link without needing to break the underlying encryption itself. TV Licensing (the fee-collecting arm of the BBC) has said the practice is under regular scrutiny by independent regulators, but declined to elaborate on how the technique works. Dr Miguel Rio, a computer network expert who helped to oversee the doctoral thesis, said: "They actually don't need to decrypt traffic, because they can already see the packets. They have control over the iPlayer, so they can ensure that it sends packets at a specific size, and match them up. They could also use directional antennae to ensure they are viewing the Wi-Fi operating within your property." The BBC has been given such authority through the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act.

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  1. Ethernet by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just came to say what everyone else already has - I use ethernet for streaming so fuck you BBC!

    Although I don't watch it anyway - anything good appears on other streaming services eventually anyway and I'm long past caring about seeing things on day zero. I already get letters almost weekly telling me they are now in the last stages of their investigation (for not paying my license fee). They are welcome to visit anytime, but unless they have a warrant my answer to any of their questions will be " "

    1. Re:Ethernet by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This vulnerability has been known about for a very, very long time. TOR actually defends against it by randomly combining, splitting and padding packets.

      Thing is, the detector vans have always been bullshit. They could never detect TVs, and have never been used as evidence in court to get a warrant or prosecution. They are just too scare people.

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  2. Seriously? by SirAudioMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the UK has completely lost it's mind! Here's a novel idea that's so much simpler and how we approach it in Canada. Here we have the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp) which is pretty much the same thing as the BBC - aka publicly funded TV, Radio, and Media. It is funded by the Federal taxes of all Canadian tax payers. Regardless of whether you use the CBC or not, you're paying for it. No special taxes that people must specifically pay, no special enforcement (except for maybe geo-ip), and no white vans running around snooping wifi traffic (which, here would be illegal) thanks to our Charter of Rights and Freedoms (something the UK DESPERATELY NEEDS). The UK people really get the shaft with their government and it's constant big brother mantra and it's excessive need to invade the lives of its people.

    Can someone from the UK please explain to me the reason a 'TV' license still exists? It's not the 1950's!

    1. Re:Seriously? by megalomaniacs4u · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can someone from the UK please explain to me the reason a 'TV' license still exists? It's not the 1950's!

      Because the BBC makes a big play of being free from government interference & claims to be impartial. You'll note the 2nd is complete and utter BS and the first isn't always true.

  3. Hoax by LQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The old TV detector vans were a hoax to scare people into getting a TV licence. Enforcement was actually done by visiting addresses with no record of a licence. This is another con.

    1. Re:Hoax by mjwx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The old TV detector vans were a hoax to scare people into getting a TV licence. Enforcement was actually done by visiting addresses with no record of a licence. This is another con.

      Exactly what I thought.

      Hoax, at best a few empty vans driving round with TVLicensing.co.uk written on them. Maybe a HMRC logo to make it look official. A packet size is not going to convict anyone.

      The biggest problem the BBC has is with non UK users using the iplayer.

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    2. Re:Hoax by Pax681 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The old TV detector vans were a hoax to scare people into getting a TV licence. Enforcement was actually done by visiting addresses with no record of a licence. This is another con.

      yup. My uncle worked for TV Licensing for about 6 months back in 1985/6 and he showed us the inside of the back of the van....... fuck all there.
      Also they cannot come in if you don't let them. Just tell them if they come to the door.. "I hereby remove your implied right of entry" ... even if they come with the police... you can refuse them entry successfully... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... if guys as dense as these two can verbally fend off TV licensing with police armed with a warrant.
      I haven't paid for a TV licence since... well i never have. MY parents did but not me. i never really watch live TV with the exception of news but i find that i do that less as you can get better and faster updates from online. I don't even have an antenna/cable box etc hooked up. As for their wireless sniffing.... best of luck with that.. I have wired up my home with ethernet and the only wireless clients are phones.

  4. Thought a licence only required for live streams by caseih · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did this change recently? iPlayer to watch catch up programs never used to require a license.

    Besides all this, the answer is fairly simple. If they want to enforce license status, iPlayer should just require a login with an account the BBC can use to very status.

  5. Re:Privacy? Fuck you. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    But Your Honour... They were transmitting data in packets of... 1024 bytes! What are the odds of a computer system using such an arbitrary number?

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  6. Re:Privacy? Fuck you. by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly, while I'm not British, I do have to agree with the view that this is a half-assed way of having a public service--just tax everybody, if you're going to do it at all. Ignoring the fact that they are flat-out admitting to engaging to mass surveillance--and assuming their claims are the complete and accurate truth--it still raises some serious questions on if the BBC's programming needs to be changed if enough people can be caught by the vans to hit the break-even point.

    If the vans can't hit the break-even point? It's an unjustifiable waste of public money, and the fig leaf of justification for invading the public's privacy ought to depend on it not being that.

    Meanwhile, if the vans are doing anything other than exactly what they're claiming they're doing? It is an unjustifiable invasion of privacy, and we can know this precisely because they're not admitting to it.

    Personally? I figure it's not even going to be passing the 'does only what they claim it does' test, and wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if monitoring for people streaming vid is at the bottom of the vans' priorities...

  7. Re: Privacy? Fuck you. by Cederic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, they kept giving him shit for his supposed racism but keep putting out job ads that state 'no white people'.

    BBC are now cunts and although I still enjoy the programming more than other channels and greatly appreciate the lack of adverts, they need a proper fucking rebuild to eliminate the bigots.