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One Billion Monitors Vulnerable to Hijacking and Spying (vice.com)

"We can now hack the monitor and you shouldn't have blind trust in those pixels coming out of your monitor..." a security researcher tells Motherboard. "If you have a monitor, chances are your monitor is affected." An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes Motherboard's article: if a hacker can get you to visit a malicious website or click on a phishing link, they can then target the monitor's embedded computer, specifically its firmware...the computer that controls the menu to change brightness and other simple settings on the monitor. The hacker can then put an implant there programmed to wait...for commands sent over by a blinking pixel, which could be included in any video or a website. Essentially, that pixel is uploading code to the monitor. At that point, the hacker can mess with your monitor...

[T]his could be used to both spy on you, but also show you stuff that's actually not there. A scenario where that could dangerous is if hackers mess with the monitor displaying controls for a power plant, perhaps faking an emergency. The researchers warn that this is an issue that could potentially affect one billion monitors, given that the most common brands all have processors that are vulnerable...

"We now live in a world where you can't trust your monitor," one researcher told Motherboard, which added "we shouldn't consider monitors as untouchable, unhackable things."

157 comments

  1. please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    please consider posting a link to the actual article.

    1. Re:please consider by Wizy · · Score: 5, Informative

      The link to the article us where it always is, right next to the title in green text. This one says vice.com. It has been like this for awhile.

    2. Re:please consider by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Informative

      It took me about five minutes to find the link you're referring to. I had no idea that links were provided next to the title on /. -- probably because, at least on my browser, the link is almost entirely covered up by the "Displays" and "Security" icons.

    3. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where is it? I can't see it on mobile.

    4. Re:please consider by pete6677 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is yet another example of what happens when we keep letting hipster developers ruin the internet by stripping out useful navigation and visibility features.

    5. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not everyone likes to progress into idiocracy.

    6. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no link next to the title and the only green text is EditorDavid's name and a link in the summary that is not the article.

    7. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't progress you goddamned idiot. Would you like a cactus shoved up your ass just because someone said it was progressive?

    8. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The link's there, but your monitor got hacked.

    9. Re:please consider by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It has been poor for a while. Especially considering the number of slashdot summaries these days which link to multiple articles. Inline hyperlinking still provides much needed context.

    10. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. He loves anal play.

    11. Re: please consider by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Yeah pighead, stop being so intolerant of people intolerant of usability and accessibility.

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    12. Re:please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your monitor has been HACKED!

    13. Re: please consider by sjames · · Score: 1

      Running around in circles is not progress. A chicken can manage that without it's head.

    14. Re:please consider by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 1

      You're just like my parents! You'll never understand whitespace!

    15. Re: please consider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because there is little difference between not having a brain, and having one but not using it.

      We get told what to think every day, sometimes overtly, most of the time subconsciously. The best way to fight the programming is to be an agent. Buck the trend, ask the hard questions, compare what you observe in reality with what you are being told (media knowledge can't be counted because it is skewed by its nature).

      E.g. "Two in three women have been raped". Have they? I personally know one woman who had been raped, one that has been molested (so let's include that one too). I know about 600 women personally. That means 400 should have been raped if the statistic is true. Therefore 99.5% of those victims have successfully hidden that fact from me. Does that sound reasonable? Not likely! I would expect to know at least 10%, so the number is more like 20 in 600 or less than 5%. Now there are some communities where it will be more common, how representative are those communities? Where I live they represent 3% of the population, so even with 100% in those communities the number is less than 10%. Upshot: I don't believe the statistic.

  2. Wow by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Hacking so successful they took down the link's webserver!

  3. Broken Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The link in TFS goes back to the forum page. Self-referencing itself in an infinite loop, although I didn't check all my pixels, is this how we program the monitor firmware? Clickety click click??

  4. Hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not watching porn, my monitor has been hacked by pixels that resemble naked people in sexy poses.

  5. Link to the story by jeepies · · Score: 2

    Here's a link to the story. Sadly it doesn't include any more detail than the summary.

    1. Re:Link to the story by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's a link to the story. Sadly it doesn't include any more detail than the summary.

      And if you squint really hard you'll see that this is the link to the right of the story's headline.

      So while the link was there all along, slashdot once again shows how clueless it is with regards to usability. (That plus the link in the TFS is a circular reference).

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    2. Re:Link to the story by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Informative

      Two links that are ten times more informative:
      http://boingboing.net/2016/08/...
      https://www.defcon.org/html/de...

    3. Re:Link to the story by cruff · · Score: 1

      Yup, that blue link in a blue-green title bar is exceeding easy to miss. That is a real UI fail.

    4. Re: Link to the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when there is no link to the right of the story title.

    5. Re:Link to the story by houghi · · Score: 1

      They do it to show what could be done with the hack in the article.

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    6. Re:Link to the story by friesofdoom · · Score: 1

      The first thing that defcon page mentions is there being "multiple x86 processors" inside my monitor. This is what instantly made me close the page and pity anyone who takes any of their information seriously. There are EXACTLY ZERO x86 processors in any modern monitor you buy. There are some ASICs and a low power processor handling the OSD, but not a single x86 processor.

  6. 4/1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not April Fool's Day, is it?

    No. No, it isn't.

  7. Has Slashdot been hacked? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Who the actual fuck is this 'editordavid', and what's with these blatant troll 'stories' being posted? High likelihood in my opinion that Slashdot has been hacked.

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    1. Re:Has Slashdot been hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed this site has been quite lame for some time.

    2. Re: Has Slashdot been hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your monitor has been hacked

  8. Inexcusable by ytene · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For years now (decades) we've seen cases where a bunch of software engineers thought it would be "cool" to add a new feature in a piece of software, only to implement something insecurely and as a result compromise an entire package or platform. Slowly, oh so slowly, our industry has woken up to the wisdom of starting a design with security and then only adding features when we must, and when they can be shown to be secure.

    Along comes the Internet of Things and suddenly it feels like the hardware industry thinks that it has been given a free pass to go and be utterly stupid all over again. I know it's only been a couple of years since the news broke, but if there is one thing that Edward Snowden taught the world, it's that we weren't being paranoid enough.

    Back when appliances were relatively dumb, countries around the world came up with quality testing schemes to enable consumers to verify that a product they bought had been tested to a minimum range of safety requirements (for example, in the UK there is the Kitemark). We have already passed the point where we need a cyber equivalent.

    Do readers think we'll ever get there? Or do you supposed that there is too much money being spent by lobbyists to ensure that it never happens?

    1. Re:Inexcusable by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Slowly, oh so slowly, our industry has woken up to the wisdom of starting a design with security and then only adding features when we must, and when they can be shown to be secure.

      Forget it. They will continue to add features, just require everything to be signed by the vendor. It won't affect the NSA, as it simply can send security letters to the vendors to give them the signing keys, they will live on happily, but it will make the security researchers shut up because it can't be used by the "smaller" criminals from russia or nigeria or wherever anymore.

    2. Re:Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lobbyists? Try consumers. Never assume malice when stupidity will do. People actually BUY Amazon Echo Spy. People who make it actually think it's a good business idea. No need for lobbyists, the industry and its shills are stupid enough all on their own.

    3. Re:Inexcusable by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Calm down. TFA is bullshit.

      I'm a firmware engineer. Let me tell you a bit about how monitors work internally. The data rate for video is way, way too high for any kind of inexpensive CPU to handle. It's all done by ASICs, which are fixed function. They have a few programmable parameters, but the most you will be able to so is configure things like gamma/contrast/brightness and change scaling options, stuff like that.

      There is a CPU in there (more accurately an MCU), to do menus and talk to the PC, but it can't see what's on screen. The data rate is too high, it doesn't even connect to that bus. It doesn't need to, it just sends commands to the ASIC to to the overlay graphics. So this idea that a hacker could infect the firmware and then communicate via a flashing pixel is bollocks, the CPU can't even see the pixels.

      Apart from bricking or irritating the user, I can't see any practical use for this. If the hacker can get to the point where they can talk to the monitor's firmware anyway, they already p0wned your system remotely or are standing next to it. I can't really see much opportunity for an evil maid attack.

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    4. Re: Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a display technology engineer, I find it plausible that a hacker could use the overlay to display a simple image in place of the usual content or flash a 1x1 pixel region at full frame rate.

    5. Re: Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, it seems nothing is trustable anymore, and probably hasnt been for some time.

      Has anyone decided f*ck it, and joined the Amish? The idea is tempting, because we dont really need all this computerized networked stuff to live a life. Life would probably be a whole more fulfilling with out it. Problem with amish is they're a bit too extreme for me, I'd miss at least one "technology" hobby I like, and thats ham radio.

    6. Re:Inexcusable by PurpleAlien · · Score: 1

      Its' not the engineers that think that. It's their managers and the marketing department: new cool features can be charged for and gives a competitive edge, because that's what your average consumer wants. In contrast, security is seen as a cost. You need dedicated people for security, code review, etc. and all of that costs money. It can delay a product. It can make the product more expensive. This is counter to what the consumer wants: cools stuff as cheap as possible. This is why security sucks.

      Incidentally, part of the blame here lies with the consumer. With the pressure to go cheaper and cheaper, corners are cut, manufacturing is moved overseas, coding and engineering are outsourced to copy-paste OEMs, all in the name of making things as cheap as possible. Then, that same consumer complains that jobs are taken away. Not saying this is the only reason (profit being the obvious other one), but it does have an impact. This all in the end means security is seen as not important, so no one cares.

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    7. Re: Inexcusable by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      >As a display technology engineer, I find it plausible that a hacker could use the overlay to display a simple image in place of the usual content or flash a 1x1 pixel region at full frame rate.

      Well I'm not a display engineer like your or the parent, but yes, it's pretty obvious that if you modify the firmware responsible for the OSD, you could overlay goatse or something. That's annoying, but not really a huge issue, and as the other pointed out, at that point you'd be already fucked anyway.

    8. Re: Inexcusable by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Has anyone decided f*ck it, and joined the Amish?

      Some of us did.

      Sent via courier pigeon.

    9. Re:Inexcusable by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      It's their managers and the marketing department: new cool features can be charged for and gives a competitive edge, because that's what your average consumer wants.

      Wrong.

      It's their managers and the marketing department: new cool features can be charged for and gives a competitive edge, because that's what the managers and the marketing department think the average consumer wants.

      One dumbass manager thinks of a stupid idea and pushes it into a released product and then all the other dumbass managers of all other companies copy the dumbass idea so they're not "left behind".

    10. Re:Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worked on a video processing platform RTL design. At least in this case the CPU could access the pixels. Of course not at the frame clock, but it could read the framebuffer.

    11. Re:Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, I just EBayed my additional screens to reduce my attack surface!

    12. Re:Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For years now (decades) we've seen cases where a bunch of software engineers thought it would be "cool" to add a new feature in a piece of software, only to implement something insecurely and as a result compromise an entire package or platform.

      Let me paraphrase in the language of my mind- For years now (decades) we've seen cases where a bunch of software engineers thought they might be able to keep their jobs and feed their families by adding "cool" new features to pieces of software. They did so under crazy timelines generated by superiors with better stock positions, in an attempt to avoid losing their jobs, resulting in compromises to the entire package or platform.

      Don't forget- children were fed.

    13. Re: Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 5 or so times a week (or 6 or 7 if I'm working weekends). About the same as the number of times I regret choosing IT as a career.

    14. Re:Inexcusable by tohasu · · Score: 1

      thanks for this. I thought there was something improbable about the "billions of monitors" headline but I don't have the tech expertise to know what.

    15. Re: Inexcusable by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 4, Funny

      [user@localhost ~]$ ping yvan256.amish.org
      PING yvan256.amish.org (144.131.380.158): 56 data bytes
      64 bytes from 144.131.380.158: icmp_seq=0 ttl=59 time=14.368 hrs
      64 bytes from 144.131.380.158: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=11.156 hrs
      64 bytes from 144.131.380.158: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=12.062 hrs
      64 bytes from 144.131.380.158: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=11.772 hrs
      64 bytes from 144.131.380.158: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=11.867 hrs
      ^C

    16. Re:Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Don't forget- children were fed."

      Fed to what?

    17. Re:Inexcusable by PurpleAlien · · Score: 1

      There is a large group of consumers that actually do want a lot of those silly things. Just look at some of the Kickstarter projects that are out there, or some of the IoT stuff that people want for example (Internet connected light bulb anyone?), or people who buy new phones as soon as a new model comes out jut because it's the new model with cool new features. Of course, I agree that there is also disconnect between what consumers want and what a company thinks they want as well. It's both.

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    18. Re:Inexcusable by swb · · Score: 1

      I don't spend any time on kickstarter, but my perception based on the kickstarter projects I do end up hearing about tend to be either totally unique products for which there is no market equivalent or products with features or functionality which no market equivalent has or does well.

      This would seem to dovetail with the sheer volume of product "hacks" out there and the web sites which focus on them, from lifehacker to instructables to a lot of YouTube videos showing you how to mod something or use common parts/ingredients to make or modify something to do its job better. Kickstarter just seems to be a way to buy these things out of the box without without having to do the modding yourself or for things where modding just isn't practical.

      I think the better answer is your last one -- the market forces features we don't want and doesn't improve the features we do use. The former often seems to be features guided by MBA spreadsheets calculating added profit margins and estimating market lock-in they can achieve.

    19. Re: Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm impressed that you were able to record 60 hours of pings in 3.5 hours. Those amish folks must have some next-gen time traveling pigeons.

    20. Re: Inexcusable by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Amish: The Next Generation

    21. Re:Inexcusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they're not ASICs, but FPGAs that load their code at boot (turn on) time.

    22. Re:Inexcusable by PurpleAlien · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. My experience with the former comes from even e.g. businesses we write software or make hardware for which often want completely useless features because they look cool. I'm sure the latter dwarfs the first in absolute numbers.

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  9. Good grief: Now we need an iÂc firewall! by burni2 · · Score: 1

    And an anti-virus running on the monitor firmware ..

    or we just need openfirmwares, when a product runs out of commercial interest everything needs to be opened up.

    No more arguments because the product is not sold anymore .. .. except its just rebranded faceliftet and sold as the new year edt.

  10. Why would monitors execute their input? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hardware engineers surely know that eval is evil. Or don't they? Why would they need anything other than an ISP interface tucked away on an internal circuit board, with the port fused after QC? It's not like monitors get firmware updates.

    1. Re:Why would monitors execute their input? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?modelname=S27A550H&from_osc=&idx=429824

    2. Re:Why would monitors execute their input? by Desler · · Score: 1

      Non-junk monitors get upgrades.

    3. Re: Why would monitors execute their input? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DDC/DPAUX i/o has been known to cause crashes in monitors before. What if these are buffer overflow events?

    4. Re:Why would monitors execute their input? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Non-junk monitors don't need upgrades.

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    5. Re:Why would monitors execute their input? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung USB powered monitors.

  11. Link is broken, but doesn't say anything useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The link is relative instead of absolute so it's easy to find where it should go.

    But the article just says "omg! Be scared! You must be more scared! They could destroy the world!" but says absolutely nothing about what the attack actually is or what is required to exploit it.

    Having magic images that take over all monitors strains credibility to the breaking point. But monitors have I2C connections to the video source, for reporting their resolution and for other non video data. It's not at all implausible that this could be used to attack the monitor, which could then be triggered by video data later. Of course the attacker would have to have physical access first, or remotely hack the video driver, in order to send the I2C commands.

    And of course some monitors have USB connections (say for speakers) that might be an attack surface, but that is a much narrower target than the article claims.

    Basically this is just junk reporting. 204 no content.

  12. Is this done through the DDC interface? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just my EUR 0.02 but my guess is that this hacking is done over the DDC (essentially an I2C interface) channel on the VGA/DVI port.
    If some clever (...) designer also made firmware updates possible over this interface then it could be feasible.
    Still I don't believe these microcontrollers inside a monitor have lots of ROM/RAM to spare for these kinds of extra software.

  13. S U K A S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call it something they fear and feed them balonie and they just eat it up!

  14. Re:requires physical access to USB port by dan42 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Monitors, like many electronic devices today, have factory-use port that is usually not intended for use after the product ships. The "flaw" to fix is allowing unsigned firmware to be accepted on this port. Or at least cover it with foil tamper tape...

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  15. Use old monitors by KiloByte · · Score: 2

    While this was not my original reason, this article makes me smug for using a pair of old 1280x1024 monitors. I run one over DVI, one over VGA. Especially VGA ones are a dime a dozen, if you shop around you can get a high quality used one under $20. With old monitors it's random whether you get one that flickers, has a high blue/etc loss or similar flaws -- but even if you can't return, it's $20 for another try. VGA ones also require adjustment, but if you press auto-adjust over a proper test screen rather than your desktop, analog-to-digital artifacts can be almost completely eliminated.

    VGA provides no way for smuggling malware, and DVI ones are way too old to be vulnerable for such tricks. As an extra bonus, you get a sane aspect ratio rather than a modern narrow strip.

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    1. Re:Use old monitors by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your smug bubble, but...

      http://hackaday.com/2014/06/18...

      No, that doesn't make you safe.

    2. Re:Use old monitors by Desler · · Score: 1

      Tell us also about how you wear onions on your belt and shake your fists at clouds.

    3. Re:Use old monitors by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      It's not about the analog port, it's about the monitor being old and thus "dumb".

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    4. Re:Use old monitors by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I just lost all my data because of those damn clouds! /shake fist angrily at the sky

  16. Re:Once again, analog is better by NotInHere · · Score: 2

    CRT is outdated technology and there is residual radiation. It requires heavy glass and you can't build larger screens with it.

    I fully agree that there shouldn't be such a sideloading API for monitors and that the monitors should be as dumbed down as possible, but I don't think that CRT is the answer. The task the firmware of a monitor executes should be so simple that it can be done right and without security bugs, can't it.

  17. Story is insulting to slashdotters by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, some idiot discovered there is a data channel to monitors... that has no practical "hacking" application. Said channel is frequently only used to transfer information about the monitor to the hosting device.

    This isn't Hollywood, but expect some moron screenwriter to now use this in their plot.

    1. Re:Story is insulting to slashdotters by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      Exactly!

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    2. Re:Story is insulting to slashdotters by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you hack the video cable... you can change the video! z0MG!!!!!!

    3. Re:Story is insulting to slashdotters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the opposite attitude to yours is "foss firmware matters". Your attitude is why we can't have nice things.

    4. Re:Story is insulting to slashdotters by seksi-seppo · · Score: 1

      This isn't Hollywood, but expect some moron screenwriter to now use this in their plot.

      Thank you, Sir, for your comment made my day.

      In general, interesting question is what kind of firmware update mechanisms are in place during normal operation and whether they could be compromised. And I have the feeling that monitors are least interesting ones in this pool. Watch the JTAG lines on PCI bus! However, if attacker can access these mechanisms we can safely assume she could do anything she wants by conventional means, eg by asking the graphics card nicely to display desired image, no need to bother with monitor firmware...

  18. Terror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see how this can affect airlines as well. Could this lead to the next waves of terrorist attacks? There should be measures placed to prevent this like this.

    1. Re: Terror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we remove the people, the terrorist won't have anything to target. This final solution will begin once trump has built his wall to stop you getting out.

  19. Re:Security missing in education by amigabill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm just finishing up an MS degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering, my BS degree was in Computer Engineering. While we're being taught coding, and I started in CE instead of EE to get a stronger focus on the computer science portion, I've never been taught about secure programming. The CS portion of the CE degree mostly used Module-2 at the time, to impress the importance of consistent typing and what not, but in terms of how to make your code secure from malware attacks, or what a security weakness looks like or how to correct it, I've never seen that in general programming or embedded programming courses. I have no idea... And I don't know where to go and get an idea. I understand it's important, and after I do my last presentation for my last course in MS degree this coming week, I do want to seek out some resources about how to do that. I have a book about TDD for Embedded C programming, but surely that's not enough for security coverage, it seems more about correct functionality. I suspect that one could pass functional testing yet still have security holes...

    So where do I go to learn effective "secure programming"? Do I go and take some MOOCs about white-hat hacking to learn how to break in, and then try not to leave those holes? Are those things applicable to embedded programming, or are they only about breaking into servers and websites?

    I look forward to good suggestions, so that more of us can become capable of doing better in this regard.

  20. Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by gweihir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, the attack surface of a monitor is pretty bad. In VGA, all you get is an I2C line. It will be hard to even mount attacks. Second, there are a lot of different firmware versions out there. And third, no, the "computer" in a monitor cannot usually read individual pixels (or any screen-content at all), it is by far not fast enough for that and it will usually not even have access to that data-stream. This "Computer" is a small MCU, not anything general-purpose or fast.

    Seems to me somebody wants to improve their fame by posting horror-stories with little or no connection to actual reality.

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    1. Re:Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is impossible, I once saw a guy cold hack DoD's 128-bit DBase encryption in less than sixty seconds, while getting head.
      / I've watch that movie more than once, which is why I'm posting AC

    2. Re:Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They don't seem to claim it can read the screen, just that it can write to the screen...

      The attack scenario seems to involve having people physically in the same room with the monitor controlling the gag, but only having to hack the monitor in advance. The only tiny thing this gives them is that they don't have to have a dongle plugged into the monitor cable at one end in order to fake what is on the screen.

    3. Re:Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when I read the summary I implied part of the key attack surface was a malicious video stream. I.e. somehow a a maliciously 'watermarked' video stream walks into the back/brokendoor. I don't actually think it's that far fetched to imagine that a handful of the biggest smarttv vendors might have been infiltrated by the NSA to add such functionality. I.e. stingray some slightly modded OTA mpeg stream that tells the smarttv to start leaking out details of the channels (or thumbnails) and times watched by the viewer. (as a start of evilness). O lord, what a bus hdmi is....

    4. Re:Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by gweihir · · Score: 1

      For a smart TV you are certainly correct, because smart TV is a full-fledged computer. But a computer monitor is an entirely different thing that has almost no computing power and only a few hundred bytes of EEPROM storage and that is basically it.

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    5. Re:Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by c · · Score: 1

      First, the attack surface of a monitor is pretty bad. In VGA, all you get is an I2C line.

      Yeah, I don't see VGA being vulnerable.

      However, I wouldn't be even slightly surprised if there's some lovely vulnerabilities in HDCP implementations.

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    6. Re:Sounds like sensationalist bullshit to me by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      They appear to be claiming you could be hacked by a malicious video stream, for that to occur the MCU would have to be reading the video stream, which for most monitors it can't and doesn't.

  21. 404... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is not an article. Is this real or BS? Source cite!!!

  22. This is why... by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I only used punched cards. Including that box of random cards I found in the parking lot.

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    1. Re:This is why... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I am modern and use an ASR-33 Teletype.

      You get used to the faint oily smell and the UPPER CASE ONLY after awhile. The punch tape reader/writer is handy for data and program storage, but it's only 110 baud just like the rest of the teletype.

  23. Not on mobile as of the writing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You Smug asshole

    1. Re:Not on mobile as of the writing. by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 1

      Yeah!
      You know who also liked well designed interfaces and proper usability and attention to detail?
      HITLER!

  24. Terror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see how this can affect airlines as well. Could this lead to a new form of terrorist attack? What are some of the precautions that could be taken to avoid this form of hacking?

  25. Electricity & space by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

    Those old CRT monitors are not as inexpensive as you might think. A modern LED/LCD monitor draws basically 0 watts relative to the 200-400W a high end CRT one draws. If you run that 8 hours/day figure 70-130 dollars a year in electricity use. And in areas like Hawaii, you can triple that. Also I noticed massively more desk space when I finally moved off my 21" CRT's to panels.

    1. Re:Electricity & space by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Eh, why would anyone use CRT? There's been a decade of fine LCD ones before the aspect ratio went apeshit.

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    2. Re:Electricity & space by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      KiloByte didn't mention CRT in his comment.

      I'm still using my old ViewSonic VP171s, for example.

    3. Re:Electricity & space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be a myth. The power usage for normal desktop sized monitors is not that different between CRTs and LCDs. I'm using two 17" CRTs right now. They use 45W each, I measured it. Video cards use more than that these days.

    4. Re:Electricity & space by Alioth · · Score: 2

      That's not quite right - old monitors aren't nearly as thirsty as you state and new ones not nearly as thrifty. My modern LED backlit HP monitor consumes 35 watts (which is a far cry from 0 watts!). My old Sun 21inch Trinitron-tubed monitor used 135 watts (quite a bit less than the 200W-400W you supposed).

  26. Debatable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The presentation summary (https://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-24/dc-24-speakers.html#Cui) starts with the following statement "There are multiple x86 processors in your monitor".

    In my experience this is incorrect. x86 processors are far too expansive for this task. Most monitor LCD controllers I have seen contain an 8051 CPU of some sort. Also there are quite a few differences in the controlled OSD implementation between different manufacturers for someone to mount an effective attack that would affect "billions of monitors".

    With the LCD controllers I'm familiar with, the OSD functionality is quite primitive. You can obscure part of the scree, but making a fake dialog box would be quite tricky. From experience the firmware is updated via the DDC channel on the VGA port, and needs spacial hardware. Some manufacturers support updating the firmware via the monitor USB port, which is what the article eludes to, but not all monitor have USB build in.

    I'll admit it is a cool attack vector, but "billions affected" is a stretch.

  27. If we just had special programs by drolli · · Score: 2

    which run in an special protected mode of the computer and abstracts the attached HW interfaces so that a program can not control the HS directly but a well defined subset of functions on this HW by calling another program.

    Lets call the first program "os kernel" and the second one "device driver", and let's call the mode of the processor "ring 0".

    To be clear on it: i would hope that the monitor firmware is somehow signed. OTOH, hacking my monitor still would require to pass the device driver on the computer, so i am not terribly worried, since the 1 Billion monitors do not have a coherent interface to firmware manipulations, and the picture that a pixel "uploads code" is accurate only an very abstract level, since in most monitors these pixels probably are not processed in the memory which can execute code. Those institutions with enough programming capacities to hack these already would have had access (swapping packets at the post) before delivery to circumvent it all.

  28. My messages vanish all the time now...trying again by MindPrison · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know what's wrong with Slashdot these days, but 50% of all my posts "magically vanish" these days.

    I'll try again, shorter story but you'll get the geist of it:

    This isn't new. Your camera, your keyboard and virtually any gadget has an embedded system in it, they have an entire computer in it if you like, they can easily fit a whole server gateway in there. But it's not as easy to do this as it might seem, so most of you have very little to worry about. Example. Say your monitor now has been successfully infiltrated with malicious code now, it still has to "hack" your windows installation and place a relay daemon there that'll have to avoid being detected by your anti-virus software or windows defender. Furthermore, if the malware is neatly compressing and transporting the image from your monitor on a separate protocol layer, you still have to have some kind of hidden client that can relay these packets to the network card or windows socket for the network card...or use the drivers, or inject into a stream of packets...all these things opens up an entirely new can of worms. Not even Windows knows all the networks in the world, I have a relatively modern computer...one of the most high end, and yet Windows 10 that came on a USB memory didn't even know what network chip my computer had, imagine a small embedded system entirely on its own...trying to figure out how to operate your computers network card, yay...good luck with that.

    It's not as dangerous as it seems, I'd worry more about that little independent computer that reside inside your INTEL processor.

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  29. Re: Once again, analog is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, CRTs? I suppose you advocate the return of leaded gasoline and DDT too.

  30. Re: Security missing in education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe start with this: https://www.amazon.com/Writing-Secure-Code-Strategies-Applications/dp/0735617228

    There are a lot of free and paid resources out there. The difference I feel like is the paid ones hold your hand and walk you through, while the free ones require a little more knowledge on the topic. This is an exception, not a rule.

  31. Re:Once again, analog is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no need for a CRT to have a VGA port. HDMI and pretty much all digital ports came so hollywood can have DRM everywhere

  32. Re:Once again, analog is better by Shimbo · · Score: 1

    This could never happen with an analog monitor (i.e. vga) in the same way "accidentally" throwing your car into reverse in a manual transmission car is impossible, unlike the weekly stories we hear about people and their automatic cars plowing into buildings.

    Except that VGA usually has a digital side channel these days; BENQ has firmware updates over VGA for some models.

  33. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Your messages aren't "vanishing". Hackers have hacked your monitor to make it look that way.

    Dump-a-Drumpf 2016/Forever

  34. The link in the article is self referencing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The link in the article is self referencing. Editing at it's best.

  35. So, this now seems appropriate. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who monitors the monitors?

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  36. Ah... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    The Internet of Hackable Things...

  37. HI, I trust everyone :) hack me please!!! by pinheadcelt · · Score: 1

    Stop accepting unsigned firmware updates over insecure channels. This isn't 1980 any more.

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  38. Re:Once again, analog is better by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could never happen with an analog monitor

    True. With an analog monitor, you have to use Van Eck phreaking instead.

  39. How is this different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't trust any of the pixels on my monitor now...

    Especially when it comes to articles like this.

  40. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's been clear to me for a few weeks that the new owners like to remove posts if they don't like or agree with them. I've read others saying the same, and of course I've seen a couple my own posts removed, too.

  41. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    They changed the JS; if you block most of it, but whitelisted some, you have to add one of the new JS domains in to have it keep working. It seems to change which code it is actually using depending on if you clicked on nested stories already, or something. It looks like a bug that just only bites some people, and they don't mind the sloppy code so it stays.

  42. Re:Security missing in education by PurpleAlien · · Score: 1

    I guess it depends on your school. I used to teach security aspects (with programming and others such as embedded systems) both at Bachelor and Master levels....

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  43. Re:requires physical access to USB port by Burz · · Score: 1

    That is a "fix" only if vendors maintain perfect security of their keys. The better solution would be to prevent any modification without a convoluted physical attack on the device innards... using ROMs for instance.

    Also, knowing that endpoint security cannot realistically have multiple TCBs acting in parallel (hence, a large attack surface), the best design decision is to make critical peripherals (like keyboards and displays) as dumb as possible.

    The complex bits should either be in the CPU or tightly bound to it. Otherwise, if you need to add complexity from other vendors and/or use flimsy security, then such peripherals can be contained in unprivileged contexts.

  44. Typical bullshit hype by ukoda · · Score: 1

    Yes, it may be possible to hack some monitors but generally this is bullshit. I have worked on the development of monitors so know that most simply can not be hacked in the way they suggest. The first criteria of most monitors is they are cheap. The second criteria is they work. Once you understand that then you realise the only to hack most monitors is with a special programming card (some can be updated via an USB port). The fact is you typically have a low spec 8 bit micro controlling a high speed switch/amplifier. The I2C channel is typically connected to a EEPROM and can not be used to program the micro. The CEC is a custom UART type port that also does not offer ISP functions. The micro controller can overlay low res graphics but has no ability to read the actual high speed video stream because to do so cost money, see criteria one, and is not need for it to work, see criteria two.

    The simple way to see this is bullshit is to ask yourself when was the last time you updated the firmware in you monitor?

  45. Re: Once again, analog is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, CRTs and Leaded petrol is still in use in some places.

    I do like CRT's still tho - It's only very recently that LCDs have gotten anywhere near the DPI that a CRT is capable of, and CRT's are still much better than LCDs at displaying arbitrary non-native resolutions.

  46. Wait what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean /. links to an actual real article?

    Here all this time I thought it was just some random conjecture summary, then everyone goes straight to the comments to bitch about the app app luddite guy, something Trump, how some #lives matter, how W10 just fucked them, Apple fanboys, Linux/Desktop, basically nothing about the subject, just like this dumb comment.

    Maybe I'll just read the actual articles from now on, and skip all this shit. Peace motha fuckahs, I'm out! Deleting my Anonymous Coward account now...

  47. Re:Security missing in education by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

    Perhaps read some of Bruce Schneier's books. Applied Cryptography was an early one, but there are more recent books out now. I'd start listening to the Security Now podcast as well, as it provides some great examples of "how to do things wrong", and teaches a lot of fundamentals. Steve Gibson has written some real life crypto products, and does his homework on topics of the day.

    Essentially, I've learned just enough to know that, even as a 20-year veteran programmer, I'm not sure I'd be able to write a secure system, as it's just not my expertise. It's horrifically difficult to do it right without a huge amount of experience specifically in that field. If anyone tells you its simple to do, they're a liar or a fool. Never, ever try to invent your own security protocols, and especially never invent your own cryptography behind closed doors. It's pretty much guaranteed that you'll get things disastrously wrong unless it stands up to a *lot* of open review by cryptography experts. Search WEP security for a history lesson.

    Unfortunately, IoT companies are filled with lots of smart young engineers who have no idea security is so impossibly hard to get perfect on the first try, and they're building unbelievably stupid security flaws into all these internet-facing devices. Buy an IoT baby monitor today, and you've got reasonably good odds that anyone in the world could view your baby cam with only a modest amount of effort. It's actually that bad right now.

    Good on you for being willing to acknowledge that you need to know more about the fundamentals.

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  48. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    This makes sense to me. That could be it.

    What I guess might have fooled me could be that after I preview and click submit, it "pretends" to be there, it was even there in my profile, but after I came back it was gone. Happened twice to me lately.

    I've tried to accept all things from this site with Adblocker, but every time I accept, there's always new ones to accept...accept...and then when I am in edit mode there's more to accept, even in preview mode.

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  49. Are you serious? by KenHansen · · Score: 1

    [T]his could be used to both spy on you, but also show you stuff that's actually not there. A scenario where that could dangerous is if hackers mess with the monitor displaying controls for a power plant, perhaps faking an emergency.

    This can't be serious.

    The idea is my monitor, and millions more, are designed to take firmware updates over a video connection (VGA, HDMI, DisplayPort), and that there is enough available space in the storage of the controller to either cause my monitor to suddenly sprout a webcam, feed video images into malware on my desktop and send the images back to someone out on the Internet (The 'Spy on you' claim above.), or the software loaded into the spare space in my monitor from the video connection is sophisticated enough to implement a faux emergency condition in a power plant (The 'Faking an emergency' vlaim above.)?

    Horse shit.

    I eagerly await a demonstration of this miraculous feat.

  50. Who needs a monitor hack...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .....when you can have 20 year old hipster 'programmers' warp and destroy the interface through their sheer incompetence in designing it.

  51. Not Entirely Benign by ytene · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really appreciate your post - there's some useful information in there.

    However, with what you've explained [and, perhaps, in a way that is not remotely connected to the original article, there's another interesting possibility here.

    Back when I was a kid in the 70s [maybe early 80s], the UK ran a television commercial from "Habitat", a UK company which offers home furnishings, kitchenware, linens, that sort of thing. All very stylish, modern and chic.

    The commercial was accompanied by an audio soundtrack that included some very fast-tempo clapping, so that the images on the screen could change incredibly rapidly. This commercial ran for a little while - and Habitat seemed to do very well out of that particular campaign. Then along came a neuro-psychologist from one of the UK universities and pointed out that what Habitat had actually been doing was actually creating subliminal impression. Brainwashing, pure and simple. Apparently, it's possible to "flash up" an image very quickly, so quickly that your conscious mind won't even register it, but in such a way that your subconscious mind can actually read and store it. Later, when you go into light sleep and your brain transfers short-term memories to long-term storage, these images and their messages get imprinted...

    So whilst this little detour may not have a huge amount to do with the OP, there are maybe some threats to the user of a computer in which the video system has been compromised. And interestingly, those threats might not be directed at the computer at all, but at the user.

    Very difficult to spot, too, I'd reckon...

    1. Re:Not Entirely Benign by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The commercial was accompanied by an audio soundtrack that included some very fast-tempo clapping, so that the images on the screen could change incredibly rapidly. This commercial ran for a little while - and Habitat seemed to do very well out of that particular campaign. Then along came a neuro-psychologist from one of the UK universities and pointed out that what Habitat had actually been doing was actually creating subliminal impression. Brainwashing, pure and simple. Apparently, it's possible to "flash up" an image very quickly, so quickly that your conscious mind won't even register it, but in such a way that your subconscious mind can actually read and store it. Later, when you go into light sleep and your brain transfers short-term memories to long-term storage, these images and their messages get imprinted...

      This is a lot of shit. It's been shown time and again that subliminal advertising doesn't work at all. You can put messages to the subconscious into advertising but the results are completely unpredictable because everyone's subconscious is different.

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    2. Re:Not Entirely Benign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're working on the margins that (say) spam email works on, I'd say it's worth a try. You might infect a few million monitors and get a 0.1% uptake.

  52. Re:Security missing in education by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Hmm. Writing a secure system is relatively easy. Unless you want it to receive arbitrary inputs.

    Then it's a matter of trusting nothing.

    If you do have to trust something (e.g. a firmware update) then that's where life gets interesting. Very few programmers ever need to get that complicated though.

    Defensive programming techniques are straightforward and generally just require the programmer to be a cynical untrusting bastard.

    Any programming course should tell you to validate your inputs. Beyond that, just put on your twisted bastard hat and think how to break your own system; only a handful of people worldwide can come up with the really serious hacks like monitoring temperature differentials within the CPU to break wifi encryption keys, and nobody teaches you how to defend against them anyway.

  53. Complete Bollocks by StueyNZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    Subliminal advertising is complete bollox http://www.snopes.com/business...

  54. Coming soon to... by StueyNZ · · Score: 1

    ...a CSI:Cyber episode soon.

    1. Re:Coming soon to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps his is how they shout "ENHANCE!!" at the screen, and it always does. And instantly too!

      I've always wondered at the implications for the techs shown. If image enhancement was as easy as shouting Enhance at the screen, why didn't the tech already do this? And no, it can't be because of the supposed exciting real-time information flows. It would still the be the case that the Tech would simply announce they were enhancing the image, or maybe they would even do it without attracting any attention at all to the process.

    2. Re:Coming soon to... by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Probably they would need someone to write a GUI in Visual Basic first

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  55. Re: Once again, analog is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your VGA CRT still has digital pins for accessing EDID over DDC/I2C. Unless it's super old and before the SuperVGA and multi-sync era.

  56. Re:Once again, analog is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    indeed, the major win for digital versus analog in monitors and elsewhere emsec-wise is van-eck-phreaking distance i presume

  57. Re:Security missing in education by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

    "Validate your inputs" is a good start, but doesn't really cover all cases, because you may not simply be parsing data coming from untrusted sources. Say, for example, that you need your IoT hardware device to talk to a user's smartphone. That probably involves a round-trip though the user's router, to a remote server, and then back to the user's phone, and there are many, many mistakes you can make here - probably in the name of "simplicity" or "economy". I'm not sure building potentially vulnerable internet-facing systems is as rare as you think, as more and more software and hardware is going online.

    The more you learn about crypto and security, the more you realize it's unbelievably hard to get it right. I'm also skeptical of the notion that "only a few people in the world know how to do x" is any sort of protection. These sorts of exploits tend to get publicized, and once they're known and put into convenient exploit kits, any script-kiddie can deploy them.

    Also, that's precisely why you have to rely on well-trusted crypto libraries and vetted standards. For instance, one side-channel attack involves listening to CPU hardware as it takes different branches based on secret key input. Researchers have actually been able to determine secret keys in that manner, with nothing but physical access to a machine's ethernet cable, or listening to a CPU in one VM from another VM. Even though this is still a laboratory-only attack at the moment, well-known crypto libraries still take active steps to mitigate it by ensuring no branching is done based on input data.

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  58. Re:Security missing in education by Cederic · · Score: 1

    True, but by the time you need to be building that level of security into the system you're going to need to be a domain expert anyway.

    Most programmers write websites and business systems. Let the libraries deal with the difficult bits and code 'properly' to cover the rest. Even stuff like cross-site scripting or SQL injection is mostly covered by 'code properly' and 'trust no inputs'; too many people sadly fail even at that level.

  59. Re:Once again, analog is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This could never happen with an analog monitor (i.e. vga)

    EDID digital signalling on vga has been around for 20 years, and there has been all sorts of uncommon issues and corner cases that pop up, where either the video card/drive combo or the monitor produces malformed information or doesn't handle standards fully. I remember at least once case where X would crash if I brought up the on screen menu of an old CRT. Another monitor generated a bunch of repeating error log entries that got annoying on an older machine with less cpu and harddrive space to be constantly dealing with that.

    in the same way "accidentally" throwing your car into reverse in a manual transmission car is impossible

    You've must have never driven an older three on the tree or similar four speed configuration where the reverse is easy to get into when you're trying to shift into second. It took some effort with a nice, newer transmission in good shape, but when you had crappy synchros and a car with a near useless first gear ratio, you had to be aware of the potential problem.

  60. Re:Security missing in education by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

    True, but by the time you need to be building that level of security into the system you're going to need to be a domain expert anyway.

    God, I only wish that were true. All the evidence seems to show otherwise, because so many of these IoT companies are making *unbelievable* ham-handed security mistakes. These companies are going through the exact same long, painful security learning curve that OS-makers and library writers went through a decade ago (and not that they're finished either).

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  61. Re:requires physical access to USB port by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    The practical solution, of course, is just to kill people who use terms like 'endpoint security' with claw hammers.

    Not to add any complexity to this discussion or anything.... but really....

  62. Re:Security missing in education by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Schneier is a cryptology journalist, not a cryptographer. And cryptography relates to security in the same way as Trigonometry relates to the Calculus.

    He's done a good job leveraging the fact that he wrote 'Applied Cryptography' when nobody else dared. And he probably has gathered up a lot of good info for his books and publications since then.

  63. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Noscript has the angry red mark down in it's spot on the bottom right corner when I am using Slashdot on Seamonkey, because there are many, many things the Slashdot page would apparently like me to unblock, but Noscript says I am only allowing 4/17 and it works pretty good. (Hmmm, I should block off a few more of those... what is rpxnow.com and rubiconproject.com....)

    (better post this before blocking them)

  64. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Sorry for doubleposting, but blocked those two and now it says 2/16 Allowed. Something gave up trying. Yay!

  65. Re:Security missing in education by sjames · · Score: 1

    He's also developed a few good ciphers such as Blowfish.

  66. Re: Once again, analog is better by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

    DDT has an undeserved bad rap..

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  67. As far as I know by b783719 · · Score: 1

    The background is true. Some group found out a type of monitor can install firmware. That means both good stuff and bad stuff can be installed. (which can be dangerous depend on the extent)

    but the article is FUD. Not all monitors have the connection to update firmware from the computer. Also, this should not be mixed up with monitors without a cpu. (aka with only the screen)

  68. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know what's wrong with Slashdot these days, but 50% of all my posts "magically vanish" these days.

    I have this happening to *all* of my 'anonymous coward' posts now. Presumably including this one. We'll see. They don't even show up after clicking on 'load all comments', they are really gone.

  69. Re:My messages vanish all the time now...trying ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's been clear to me for a few weeks that the new owners like to remove posts if they don't like or agree with them. I've read others saying the same, and of course I've seen a couple my own posts removed, too.

    Well that would explain why it sometimes seems like only half of the replies show up, with people replying to posts that just aren't there. Not even after you click 'load all comments'.

  70. What you need to do is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Follow the white rabbit.

  71. Re:Security missing in education by Cederic · · Score: 1

    This is where it gets silly though. The evidence suggests that the issue isn't that developers don't have easy access to resources that help them to secure 'things', it's that they don't even bother to try.

    That's a far harder issue to resolve.

  72. typical slashdot hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need *physical access* to hack the monitor.

    "The team started by tearing apart a Dell U2410 monitor and eventually figuring out how to change pixels on the screen. They found out the firmware is not delivered securely. An attacker would need to gain access to the monitor via the HDMI or USB port, but then the monitor would be pwned."

    http://www.networkworld.com/article/3104926/security/hacking-monitors-for-spying-stealing-data-manipulating-what-you-see-on-the-screen.html

    captcha: disdain

    (kudos on the captcha engine, it often gives words related to the post)

  73. Re:requires physical access to USB port by sjames · · Score: 1

    Having a port that can be used specifically for software updates and diagnostiocs isn't such a big problem, even without signatures (the hackability can be a nice feature).

    The concern is the bit about them being able to use the HDMI port top push software. That is the sort of thing a bad guy could use to hack the monitor remotely.

  74. DON'T USE OLD (CRT) MONITORS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    old CRTs are vulnerable to attacks including but not limited to changing the resolution to an unsupported, usually high resolution unsupported by your card/monitor.

    don't believe me? (i don't recommend this for anything but education without actual practice of said demonstration) load up a really old version of Linux which requires you to manually configure your desk-top's resolution. if you misconfigure it, you might hear sounds (but not limited to) like a high pitch squeal or a cooking sound from your CRT monitor as the light from the screen dims or otherwise acts strange.

    many people have fried or damaged components by testing/using mode(s) not supported by the monitor/card. it's easy to create a terrible wreck of these devices if you know what you are doing. the trick would be finding a way for the user to run said malware.

  75. IP over Avian Carriers by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    You may laugh, but there are actually RFC's (and at least one real-life implementation) for Internet Protocol using carrier pigeons.

    1. Re:IP over Avian Carriers by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know, that's why I tried to ping him. Throughput isn't too bad once the connection is established (sending a 256 GB MicroSD card taped to the bird's leg) but the latency is a killer!

  76. Re:requires physical access to USB port by Burz · · Score: 1

    Oh, look! My first threatening message on /. from a member of the Trump hard-on club.

  77. Here comes the AV for monitors! by Mondor · · Score: 1

    How about that - you will buy my antivirus for monitors and it will guarantee that your monitor is free from viruses?
    From creators of Monitor Antivirus - the ubiquitous Mouse Antivirus! Works with all types of mice - from 20th century Genius to latest Razor.

    Do you think $20 would be a reasonable price tag? Also, how about some USB gadgets like USB fans - I am pretty sure hackers will target them very soon, so I should focus on a sophisticated solution that would build up the synergy of security, peace of mind and performance.

    The brand name is still a question - any ideas?

  78. Tin foil hats.. by MercTech · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised the link doesn't include advertisements for genuine tin foil hats for $99.99. None of that faux protective fake aluminum foil shit.

        To quote Vincent Price in "The Raven" - It must be some insidious form of mind control.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvngX_-K-NI

        Can you hack a computer, change the driver software to insert malicious code into the monitor firmware; possibly. Would that give you anything useful? Well, if you could hack the camera in a laptop or a wifi enabled nannycam; you could compromise data by transmitting via modified flicker rate. The question is why you would want to use such convoluted crazy measures when, if you can insert code into the computer, you don't just copy whatever you want and install a key logger.

        File this one under more "big brother is hypnotizing us with television flicker"

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    NRRPT/RCT