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US Finds New Secret Software In VW Audi Engines, Says Report (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: It looks like Volkswagen's diesel scandal could keep rolling as reports claim that the automaker has three hidden software programs in its 3.0-liter engines. Concerns about the German car manufacturers' 2.0-liter engines could soon reach a conclusion, but the discovery of the hidden software has thrown the future of 3.0-liter diesels into uncertainty. That secret software in Volkswagen's 3.0-liter diesels can turn off the vehicles' emissions controls, Reuters reports, citing the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag. The emissions control system allegedly shuts off after 22 minutes, when most emissions tests take about 20. If this software does exist, it likely resides in all 3.0-liter diesels that Volkswagen sells in the U.S.. This includes the Audi Q7, Volkswagen Touareg and Porsche Cayenne SUVs. Approximately 85,000 of these cars are roaming around the US, and they're already under scrutiny for some software that VW "forgot" to tell regulators about.

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  1. Secret Software? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's all secret from the get go. I don't remember getting a source code dump with my car.

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    1. Re:Secret Software? by thaylin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they mean secret as in not disclosed, as is required, to regulators.

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  2. Punishment Must Exceed Profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whatever punishment the government inflicts, it must exceed the profit these scams generated for VW.
    Otherwise, the sociopaths at the top will just call it the cost of doing business.
    Also: Watch out for VW trying to use the government penalty for a tax write-off (an old oil company trick).

    1. Re:Punishment Must Exceed Profit by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It means the government provides corporate welfare to you. Note the "too big to fail" banks in Iceland were allowed to fail, and they have recovered faster than places that prevented the "too big to fail" failures.

  3. Re:Witch hunt by Wdomburg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, fuck witch hunts that uncover willful fraud. Oh, wait, that's not a witch hunt at all.

  4. Re:Witch hunt by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The EPA doesn't enforce emissions on individual vehicles. That's the states and the local police's job. The EPA is doing their job. This is not a "witch hunt". This is a "fraud hunt".

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  5. Re:Witch hunt by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Grats, you just fucked poor people who can't afford better cars and gave rich people that make enough to not care a free pass.

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  6. If true fuck them by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look I know my local economy would suffer a lot (I live in germany) but there is a limit. This seem to be outright fraud, just after another scandal ? That reek of corporate corruption to the highest level. And no excuse : after a first software cheat was found, an audit should have uncovered any further cheats. This can only have had the tacit or implicit high level complicity.

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  7. Time for mandatory open source ECUs by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When companies begin cheating the system by hiding their dirty secrets in the ECU's (Engine Control Unit's) binary, it seems like the proper response to this is to begin mandating that binary in the ECU be 100% open source and able to be built with open source tools. This way, the binaries can be verified as being representative of the source code and the source code can be inspected by anyone.

    Continuing on like we have will only yield the same result because the best predictor of future actions are past actions.

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  8. Re:Witch hunt by Wdomburg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In addition to the drastically higher of pollution their cars have been spewing for years, millions of people bought these under false pretenses and will now be saddled with weaker acceleration, reduced fuel efficiency and severely lower resale value (in fact the bulk of the settlement is reserved for to fund buybacks of the vehicles at pre-scandal prices). And that doesn't take into account federal and state tax deductions and credits that were fraudulently secured or the cost of the investigation and lawsuits themselves.

    This was egregious and deliberate fraud at a global scale. It deserves a harsh response.

  9. Re:Witch hunt by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Grats, you just fucked poor people who can't afford better cars and gave rich people that make enough to not care a free pass.

    Grats, you just discovered how capitalism works.